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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:24 am

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It looks like they added daily service to SNA as well.

Did they keep LGB or nix it?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:37 am

Im not seeing STL-SNA at all
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:23 am

stl07 wrote:
stl1326 wrote:
It looks like they added daily service to SNA as well.

Did they keep LGB or nix it?


Still there and Lax moved to 2x
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:25 am

stl07 wrote:
Im not seeing STL-SNA at all


June 6-12. Either 8:25 or 8:35 am depending on the day. 12th is 550 pm though
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:58 am

Jshank83 wrote:
WN adds SRQ daily and VPS sat/sun starting in June.

Other updates

No SFO DTW MSP CMH BDL IND still

Pensacola and Charleston are daily for the first time.

PHL PDX CLE PIT are back

San Antonio - Sunday only

The update must be a work in progress. I'm seeing all of these back as 1x daily and IND as 2x. I don't see SAV at all.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:01 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
WN adds SRQ daily and VPS sat/sun starting in June.

Other updates

No SFO DTW MSP CMH BDL IND still

Pensacola and Charleston are daily for the first time.

PHL PDX CLE PIT are back

San Antonio - Sunday only

The update must be a work in progress. I'm seeing all of these back as 1x daily and IND as 2x. I don't see SAV at all.


They pushed the current schedule out to the week of June 7th. So anything past that week is just a placeholder schedule.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:13 pm

stl1326 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
WN adds SRQ daily and VPS sat/sun starting in June.

Other updates

No SFO DTW MSP CMH BDL IND still

Pensacola and Charleston are daily for the first time.

PHL PDX CLE PIT are back

San Antonio - Sunday only

The update must be a work in progress. I'm seeing all of these back as 1x daily and IND as 2x. I don't see SAV at all.


They pushed the current schedule out to the week of June 7th. So anything past that week is just a placeholder schedule.

Thanks! The placeholder start and end dates are always confusing.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:56 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
stl1326 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
The update must be a work in progress. I'm seeing all of these back as 1x daily and IND as 2x. I don't see SAV at all.


They pushed the current schedule out to the week of June 7th. So anything past that week is just a placeholder schedule.

Thanks! The placeholder start and end dates are always confusing.


Guessing they will push one week each day this week. That’s what they have been doing. And they should all match what was put out last night.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:40 am

It looks like WN seasonal daily STL > SRQ begins June 6th & VPS seasonal Sat/Sun begins June 12.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:37 am

bretonrlong wrote:
It looks like WN seasonal daily STL > SRQ begins June 6th & VPS seasonal Sat/Sun begins June 12.

I’m hoping Sarasota is more than seasonal
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:58 pm

Frequency Spreadsheet for May (based on week of May 10).

Weekly departures (change from April)

WN 481 (+50)
AA 186 (+30)
DL 113 (+7)
UA 87 (+2)
F9 32 (+3)
G4 19 (+2)


156 peak daily departures for STL (up 14 from April) (down 100 May 2019)


A couple notes:

WN- SJC/OAK/SEA are back, MIA starts up.

AA - LAX is back

G4- JAX is back

AS- goes double daily on the 20th (not shown in update because it is a week later than spreadsheet)

UA - HHH/MYR -Start end of May but too late for spreadsheet

NK - Starts end of May but also too for spreadsheet

G4 - CHS -Starts end of May but also too for spreadsheet


Full spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:41 pm

All-

Proposals have been submitted for the Quincy EAS Market...

Use to search on www.regulations.gov

1.Cape Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0095

Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL (the contract they hold now)

2. Air Choice One

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0093

Also Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL

3.Boutique Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492

Option 1: 36 Nonstop RTs (18 ORD, 18 STL)
Option 2: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 BNA)
Option 3: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 MSP)

Interesting options...SkyWest did not bid.

Alex
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:44 pm

I think Cape has this on the lock
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:16 pm

atrude777 wrote:
All-

Proposals have been submitted for the Quincy EAS Market...

Use to search on http://www.regulations.gov

1.Cape Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0095

Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL (the contract they hold now)

2. Air Choice One

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0093

Also Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL

3.Boutique Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492

Option 1: 36 Nonstop RTs (18 ORD, 18 STL)
Option 2: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 BNA)
Option 3: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 MSP)

Interesting options...SkyWest did not bid.

Alex


If you lose out to a prop there is no point to go back and bid. They weren’t winning again
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:10 am

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
All-

Proposals have been submitted for the Quincy EAS Market...

Use to search on http://www.regulations.gov

1.Cape Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0095

Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL (the contract they hold now)

2. Air Choice One

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0093

Also Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL

3.Boutique Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492

Option 1: 36 Nonstop RTs (18 ORD, 18 STL)
Option 2: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 BNA)
Option 3: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 MSP)

Interesting options...SkyWest did not bid.

Alex


If you lose out to a prop there is no point to go back and bid. They weren’t winning again

The locals were adamant about service to STL
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:13 am

stl07 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
All-

Proposals have been submitted for the Quincy EAS Market...

Use to search on http://www.regulations.gov

1.Cape Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0095

Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL (the contract they hold now)

2. Air Choice One

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0093

Also Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL

3.Boutique Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492

Option 1: 36 Nonstop RTs (18 ORD, 18 STL)
Option 2: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 BNA)
Option 3: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 MSP)

Interesting options...SkyWest did not bid.

Alex


If you lose out to a prop there is no point to go back and bid. They weren’t winning again

The locals were adamant about service to STL


That and Skywest had horrible on time and cancellations
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:49 am

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
All-

Proposals have been submitted for the Quincy EAS Market...

Use to search on http://www.regulations.gov

1.Cape Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0095

Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL (the contract they hold now)

2. Air Choice One

DOT-OST-2003-14492-0093

Also Proposing 36 to STL Only or 18 each to ORD and STL

3.Boutique Air

DOT-OST-2003-14492

Option 1: 36 Nonstop RTs (18 ORD, 18 STL)
Option 2: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 BNA)
Option 3: 36 Nonstop RTs (24 ORD, 12 MSP)

Interesting options...SkyWest did not bid.

Alex


If you lose out to a prop there is no point to go back and bid. They weren’t winning again



GO PROPS OR GO HOME!!!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:02 pm

In the southwest release It doesn’t list any of the new routes STL-SNA/SRA/VPS/SAV as seasonal. I’m a little surprised SAV isn’t but apparently they all will be around.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:23 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
In the southwest release It doesn’t list any of the new routes STL-SNA/SRA/VPS/SAV as seasonal. I’m a little surprised SAV isn’t but apparently they all will be around.


SRQ seems to disappear from booking around mid July.
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:52 pm

bretonrlong wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
In the southwest release It doesn’t list any of the new routes STL-SNA/SRA/VPS/SAV as seasonal. I’m a little surprised SAV isn’t but apparently they all will be around.


SRQ seems to disappear from booking around mid July.


They only have updated thru July 10th
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:05 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
In the southwest release It doesn’t list any of the new routes STL-SNA/SRA/VPS/SAV as seasonal. I’m a little surprised SAV isn’t but apparently they all will be around.


Truly amazing to see the growth with Southwest in STL.

We still have a lot to return to, STL-MDW and MCI need to eventually, I hope get back to their levels.

I hope we can see STL-ORD on Southwest, F9, AA and UA will all fly the route by June, even Cape Air with a UIN stop over! ;)

It's not a TWA Hub...but very thankful to still see such a large airline presence with non stop to the majority of the major cities.

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:29 pm

Now that we are about to May.

May is a big month for new routes. June also.

List of new routes to start.

May 9
Southwest -Miami - daily
(OAK/SEA/SJC resume)

May 27
Spirit - Orlando - daily
Spirit - Vegas - daily
Spirit - Fort Lauderdale - daily
Spirit - Los Angeles - daily
United - Hilton Head - 3x week

May 28
United - Myrtle Beach - 3x week
(BLV) Allegiant - Charleston - 2x week

June 1
Boutique - Jackson, TN - 6x week

June 6
Southwest - Myrtle Beach - Sat/Sun
Southwest - Sarasota - daily
Southwest - Destin - Sat/Sun
Southwest - Savannah - Sun only
Southwest - Orange County - Daily (technically resumption but its been 3 years)
(CHS/CLE/PIT/PDX/PHL resume)

June 10
Spirit - Pensacola - Daily

June 11
Frontier - Ohare - 4x week

November 2
American - Boston - 2x daily

Covid cut routes with no firm restart date.
Air Canada - Toronto
United - SFO
Southwest - MSP/PBI/IND/DTW/SFO/CMH/BDL/PUJ
Sun Country - PDX (this could be permanently cut)
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 11:33 am

Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 8:31 pm

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We still have a lot to return to, STL-MDW and MCI need to eventually, I hope get back to their levels.


6x daily nonstops to MDW from STL is likely enough to cover STL-MDW O&D since
(a) the average PDEW's on STL-MDW has never exceeded 440 passengers/day in the last 13 years and
(b) WN can carry over 900 passengers per day in each direction with 6x daily nonstops to MDW from STL on 175-seat 737-800/737 MAX 8 planes.

WN can also make other adds out of both STL and MDW if necessary such as (a) the return of MDW-LIT/TUL nonstop service, (b) the return of STL-BHM/GRR/SDF/ORF nonstop service, and (c) the addition of STL-ALB/BUF/CVG/RIC nonstop service.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 8:40 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.


BLV runs VPS year round but I agree. Probably can push connections a bit in winter. And maybe there are enough people with houses down there that go in the winter to be a bit warmer?

Summer is going to be crazy to the panhandle.

I think June is

G4 VPS 13x a week
NK PNS 7x a week
WN VPS 2x a week
WN PNS 8x a week
WN ECP 10x a week (I wouldn’t be surprised I’d this gets upped.

40 flights a week right now.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 1:06 am

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.


BLV runs VPS year round but I agree. Probably can push connections a bit in winter. And maybe there are enough people with houses down there that go in the winter to be a bit warmer?

Summer is going to be crazy to the panhandle.

I think June is

G4 VPS 13x a week
NK PNS 7x a week
WN VPS 2x a week
WN PNS 8x a week
WN ECP 10x a week (I wouldn’t be surprised I’d this gets upped.

40 flights a week right now.

I had no idea the market right now can handle all of this capacity ....
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 9:26 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.


BLV runs VPS year round but I agree. Probably can push connections a bit in winter. And maybe there are enough people with houses down there that go in the winter to be a bit warmer?

Summer is going to be crazy to the panhandle.

I think June is

G4 VPS 13x a week
NK PNS 7x a week
WN VPS 2x a week
WN PNS 8x a week
WN ECP 10x a week (I wouldn’t be surprised I’d this gets upped.

40 flights a week right now.

I had no idea the market right now can handle all of this capacity ....


Smaller WN cities like DSM, OMA, ICT, OKC, TUL that don't have service to ECP and VPS are all perfectly timed to feed into the STL flights.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 10:03 am

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Way to go Southwest and STL!

Southwest wasn't kidding about wanting to get back into Midwest Markets like STL!

Did WN have a response to AA's adding of BOS or does WN cover STL-BOS fairly well?

I flew the WN STL-BOS Inaugural flight January of 2010 when it launched! Over 10 years ago!

Alex


Stl-BOS was supposed to go to 5x a day last summer before covid came. This summer it is at 2x


It seems pretty clear that a lot of the new flying is being funded from the more traditional business routes which have a long way to go to recover.
STL-IND/CMH/DTW/BDL/MSP/SFO were all supposed to restart this summer (and previously earlier), but they continue to have their restarts pushed back.
In addition, many routes continue to be considerably down on frequencies. STL-BOS was mentioned above. STL-LGA was originally loaded to go 4x daily, but is now continuing to operate at only 1x daily for summer. STL-DCA was likewise supposed to be 4x, but is now 1x. Many other routes had their daily frequencies reduced by a flight.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.


BLV runs VPS year round but I agree. Probably can push connections a bit in winter. And maybe there are enough people with houses down there that go in the winter to be a bit warmer?

Summer is going to be crazy to the panhandle.

I think June is

G4 VPS 13x a week
NK PNS 7x a week
WN VPS 2x a week
WN PNS 8x a week
WN ECP 10x a week (I wouldn’t be surprised I’d this gets upped.

40 flights a week right now.

I had no idea the market right now can handle all of this capacity ....


Panhandle airports had their 3rd busiest month ever in March, summer should be much busier
https://www.newsherald.com/story/busine ... 383052002/
ORD & IND

AA & DL
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 1:54 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Interesting that WN to VPS is weekends year round. It's not exactly beach weather there in winter. Same with NK to PNS. I can't imagine the load factors on a Tues flight to PNS in February.


BLV runs VPS year round but I agree. Probably can push connections a bit in winter. And maybe there are enough people with houses down there that go in the winter to be a bit warmer?

Summer is going to be crazy to the panhandle.

I think June is

G4 VPS 13x a week
NK PNS 7x a week
WN VPS 2x a week
WN PNS 8x a week
WN ECP 10x a week (I wouldn’t be surprised I’d this gets upped.

40 flights a week right now.


There are a ton and we are thankful for it. That drive is horrible. Very glad to have it and VPS is a ton more convenient than ECP for the Destin area people.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 5:03 pm

United Schedule is out for July...

Using date of July 9th a Friday

STL-ORD 7 Daily
STL-IAD 2 Daily
STL-EWR 2 Daily
STL-IAH 3 Daily (Mainline on the 6:30am Departure, A320)
STL-DEN 4 Daily
STL-SFO still not flying

STL-HHH/MYR still showing 3 weekly

I think ORD got 1 or 2 more additional flights?

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 7:27 pm

atrude777 wrote:
United Schedule is out for July...

Using date of July 9th a Friday

STL-ORD 7 Daily
STL-IAD 2 Daily
STL-EWR 2 Daily
STL-IAH 3 Daily (Mainline on the 6:30am Departure, A320)
STL-DEN 4 Daily
STL-SFO still not flying

STL-HHH/MYR still showing 3 weekly

I think ORD got 1 or 2 more additional flights?

Alex

Happy about mainline. SFO is unfortunate, but I guess the TPAC demand still isn't there.

On another note, one of the STL-SLC Delta flights in June went to the 737-800. The schedule is now 1x A220-100, 1x E175, 1x 738.
Next flights:
Who knows? :/
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 7:55 pm

TWA302 wrote:

There are a ton and we are thankful for it. That drive is horrible. Very glad to have it and VPS is a ton more convenient than ECP for the Destin area people.


VPS is going to be a zoo on Saturday's this summer, not real sure where they are going to park everyone as I don't think the new G4 terminal is done.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 6:35 pm

Had STL-EWR and back in November switched from a ERJ-175 to a CRJ-550 on UA.

Not sure if there's a real difference in passenger experience between a 175 and 550. But I guess it's good that United's putting their flagship regional jet on more routes out of STL?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 7:02 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Had STL-EWR and back in November switched from a ERJ-175 to a CRJ-550 on UA.

Not sure if there's a real difference in passenger experience between a 175 and 550. But I guess it's good that United's putting their flagship regional jet on more routes out of STL?


I’m guessing since it is based here we will get it a fair amount.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 7:24 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Had STL-EWR and back in November switched from a ERJ-175 to a CRJ-550 on UA.

Not sure if there's a real difference in passenger experience between a 175 and 550. But I guess it's good that United's putting their flagship regional jet on more routes out of STL?


Both aircraft allow rollerboards on board, which is a huge difference for me.

CR5 has 10 F Seats, E175 has 12.

As Jshank mentioned, because the operator is GoJet, and they are based in STL, we will see a higher rotation of CR5's come through STL.

The CR5 will fly out of ORD, EWR and IAD. We will see it to those cities, DEN and IAH will not have the CR5.

I am just happier to see all aircraft out of STL to have 2 class cabin with First Class.

Alex
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 7:38 pm

Issue the 550 has going to EWR is the weights, that flight has a restriction basically every day between STL-EWR and back.
I've heard that they want to start 500 service in IAD but its not a thing yet.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 9:00 pm

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Issue the 550 has going to EWR is the weights, that flight has a restriction basically every day between STL-EWR and back.
I've heard that they want to start 500 service in IAD but its not a thing yet.


STL-EWR weight issues surprises me. I have flown STL-LGA on a 700 on Delta, you would think with 19 less people it wouldn't have any issues.

Starting the 28th they have it scheduled to IAD once a day. June 6th it goes to 550 on both fights "most" days.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 9:41 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
T18 wrote:
Issue the 550 has going to EWR is the weights, that flight has a restriction basically every day between STL-EWR and back.
I've heard that they want to start 500 service in IAD but its not a thing yet.


STL-EWR weight issues surprises me. I have flown STL-LGA on a 700 on Delta, you would think with 19 less people it wouldn't have any issues.

Starting the 28th they have it scheduled to IAD once a day. June 6th it goes to 550 on both fights "most" days.


Sounded a little odd to me too, after a little looking it appears the CRJ-550 has a lower max weight to comply with scope provisions compared to the -700 variant. EWR routing + distance must butt right up against the limit of these lower weight aircraft.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 9:59 pm

atrude777 wrote:
United Schedule is out for July...

Using date of July 9th a Friday

STL-ORD 7 Daily
STL-IAD 2 Daily
STL-EWR 2 Daily
STL-IAH 3 Daily (Mainline on the 6:30am Departure, A320)
STL-DEN 4 Daily
STL-SFO still not flying

Alex


Which equates to about 1200 seats per day to UA hubs, and by comparison MCI sees about 1600 seats per day on UA on 16 flights (5 mainline, 11-E170/175)

In fact, it is evident the effect WN has had on the STL market as MCI sees about 1200 more seats per day on the US3 vs STL.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 10:01 pm

QXorVX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
T18 wrote:
Issue the 550 has going to EWR is the weights, that flight has a restriction basically every day between STL-EWR and back.
I've heard that they want to start 500 service in IAD but its not a thing yet.


STL-EWR weight issues surprises me. I have flown STL-LGA on a 700 on Delta, you would think with 19 less people it wouldn't have any issues.

Starting the 28th they have it scheduled to IAD once a day. June 6th it goes to 550 on both fights "most" days.


Sounded a little odd to me too, after a little looking it appears the CRJ-550 has a lower max weight to comply with scope provisions compared to the -700 variant. EWR routing + distance must butt right up against the limit of these lower weight aircraft.


Yes the 550 has an MTOW of 65000lbs, if EWR requires an alternate they are not able to carry a ton. It does help that the 550 can accept more carry-on bags at least.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 10:29 pm

T18 wrote:
QXorVX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

STL-EWR weight issues surprises me. I have flown STL-LGA on a 700 on Delta, you would think with 19 less people it wouldn't have any issues.

Starting the 28th they have it scheduled to IAD once a day. June 6th it goes to 550 on both fights "most" days.


Sounded a little odd to me too, after a little looking it appears the CRJ-550 has a lower max weight to comply with scope provisions compared to the -700 variant. EWR routing + distance must butt right up against the limit of these lower weight aircraft.


Yes the 550 has an MTOW of 65000lbs, if EWR requires an alternate they are not able to carry a ton. It does help that the 550 can accept more carry-on bags at least.


All true!

This is why you won't see the CR5 operating out of Denver. They'd be taking hits all day long.

While the frame of a CR5 is a CR7, the operating specifics are completely different, which is the CR5 does horrible on long stages, like STL-EWR.

My sister's flight STL-EWR had to take 10 passengers off, they were restricted to 40 due to storms out in Newark.

it's a great plane, operation wise..not very fun during weight restricts.

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 12:26 am

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STLflyer wrote:
Had STL-EWR and back in November switched from a ERJ-175 to a CRJ-550 on UA.

Not sure if there's a real difference in passenger experience between a 175 and 550. But I guess it's good that United's putting their flagship regional jet on more routes out of STL?


I am just happier to see all aircraft out of STL to have 2 class cabin with First Class.



Nope, I’ve got IAH-STL in September on an all Y 145.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 12:56 am

STLflyer wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
Had STL-EWR and back in November switched from a ERJ-175 to a CRJ-550 on UA.

Not sure if there's a real difference in passenger experience between a 175 and 550. But I guess it's good that United's putting their flagship regional jet on more routes out of STL?


I am just happier to see all aircraft out of STL to have 2 class cabin with First Class.



Nope, I’ve got IAH-STL in September on an all Y 145.


I meant for the June and July Schedule.

September will have the default schedule from 2019 which did have E145's. Not saying it won't happen in September but I imagine that's very likely going to change!

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 6:29 pm

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Happy about mainline. SFO is unfortunate, but I guess the TPAC demand still isn't there.

On another note, one of the STL-SLC Delta flights in June went to the 737-800. The schedule is now 1x A220-100, 1x E175, 1x 738.


I wonder if UA is routing all their eastern US TPAC through ORD. I've flown both routs and didn't really notice any appreciable difference between them. The SFO route might involve a little less time in the air, but when you're talking fourteen or fifteen hours or more anyway what's an hour between friends? And with layovers it all about comes out in the wash anyway. I like UA's operation at SFO a little better than ORD, but they both have coffee.

The STL-SFO route surely does feed some TPAC (which is the only reason I've personally taken it.) But I can't believe it'd survive on that. Has to be more to it. Maybe business travel, which just hasn't bounced back yet? I could see a lot of tech and finance business going back and forth on the route.
TW AA MU JL KE DL UA LOF GJS SKW WN VN
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 11:09 pm

symphonicpoet wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Happy about mainline. SFO is unfortunate, but I guess the TPAC demand still isn't there.

On another note, one of the STL-SLC Delta flights in June went to the 737-800. The schedule is now 1x A220-100, 1x E175, 1x 738.


I wonder if UA is routing all their eastern US TPAC through ORD. I've flown both routs and didn't really notice any appreciable difference between them. The SFO route might involve a little less time in the air, but when you're talking fourteen or fifteen hours or more anyway what's an hour between friends? And with layovers it all about comes out in the wash anyway. I like UA's operation at SFO a little better than ORD, but they both have coffee.

The STL-SFO route surely does feed some TPAC (which is the only reason I've personally taken it.) But I can't believe it'd survive on that. Has to be more to it. Maybe business travel, which just hasn't bounced back yet? I could see a lot of tech and finance business going back and forth on the route.

Yea, I'm sure silicone valley being 100% virtual hasn't helped that route either
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 11:52 am

Strange that STL never did put out any media release about WN adding SNA,VPS & SAV. A few weeks earlier when AA added BOS it was all over the media.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 12:25 pm

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Strange that STL never did put out any media release about WN adding SNA,VPS & SAV. A few weeks earlier when AA added BOS it was all over the media.

None for Miami either
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 12:39 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Strange that STL never did put out any media release about WN adding SNA,VPS & SAV. A few weeks earlier when AA added BOS it was all over the media.


I don’t understand their release thinking at all. Maybe after the airport commission meeting today something comes out.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 1:38 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Strange that STL never did put out any media release about WN adding SNA,VPS & SAV. A few weeks earlier when AA added BOS it was all over the media.


I don’t understand their release thinking at all. Maybe after the airport commission meeting today something comes out.


Here is a press release on swamedia.com that mentions the STL-MIA/MYR adds made by WN: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... s-fly-free

Here is a link to the blog post on the Southwest community website that mentioned the STL-SNA/VPS/SAV adds made by WN: https://community.southwest.com/t5/Blog ... a-p/119700

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