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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:59 pm

Is there anywhere I can get an updated schedule of Swiss A320/321 Neo deliveries over the next year; how many ordered and how many left to be delivered?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:44 pm

In line with the rest of LH-Group airlines, LX will start BOB service ex ZRH...

https://www.swiss.com/ch/en/various/swiss-saveurs
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:00 am

From the press release:

'The excellent feedback from our flight guests from Geneva, who have been able to enjoy the new concept for some time now, and the desire for even more choice, were reason enough for us to introduce this culinary success story on flights from Zurich, too.'

What a pile of...
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:38 am

Blerg wrote:
From the press release:

'The excellent feedback from our flight guests from Geneva, who have been able to enjoy the new concept for some time now, and the desire for even more choice, were reason enough for us to introduce this culinary success story on flights from Zurich, too.'

What a pile of...


Admittedly the feedback in GVA was pretty good, although pricy.

They’ve changed things though - gone is the free sandwich that was offered along BOB to economy classic and flex tickets. GVA also transitions away from Globus as a caterer. Their products were actually excellent quality on board.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:25 am

BoB will apply to flights up to which duration? Example, will you still get a free meal on the Zurich - Cairo flight?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:53 pm

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BoB will apply to flights up to which duration? Example, will you still get a free meal on the Zurich - Cairo flight?


ZRH-CAI/TLV aren’t part of BOB right now. DME is. All routes from GVA are BOB, including GVA-HRG/PDL/FNC which are longer routes than the first two (although the latter three are all leisure).
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:06 pm

What's the logic of having BoB to Moscow when you are indirectly competing with SU whcih offers free meals and drinks? I know they fly to different Moscow airports but they are still serving the same market.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:55 am

Blerg wrote:
What's the logic of having BoB to Moscow when you are indirectly competing with SU whcih offers free meals and drinks? I know they fly to different Moscow airports but they are still serving the same market.


What's the logic of LX having BoB whatsoever? We are talking of a premium airline in a premium market whose management have suddenly decided they need to compete in a race to the bottom against easyjet to knock a few francs per seat off the cost, in a market where it was able to charge premium fares.

Talk of LX removing the 77W, LH fleet comments. It all seems so short sighted.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:49 am

eurotrader85 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
What's the logic of having BoB to Moscow when you are indirectly competing with SU whcih offers free meals and drinks? I know they fly to different Moscow airports but they are still serving the same market.


What's the logic of LX having BoB whatsoever? We are talking of a premium airline in a premium market whose management have suddenly decided they need to compete in a race to the bottom against easyjet to knock a few francs per seat off the cost, in a market where it was able to charge premium fares.

Talk of LX removing the 77W, LH fleet comments. It all seems so short sighted.


Swiss already tried that in the years 2004/2005 (correct me if wrong) at their beginning to save a few francs, you had to pay for each drink in Y in Europe (not sure about C). They reintroduced free drinks and snacks / sandwiches quickly....
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:50 pm

eurotrader85 wrote:
What's the logic of LX having BoB whatsoever? We are talking of a premium airline in a premium market whose management have suddenly decided they need to compete in a race to the bottom against easyjet to knock a few francs per seat off the cost, in a market where it was able to charge premium fares.


Those few francs are pretty much the difference between loss making and potentially profitable flights.

As to why they are doing it. Well people pretty much only book based on price these days. Those who want a better quality can upgrade to business (you can often get an offer around 50 CHF).

There's also very little premium market left ex-Switzerland. Swiss also has to battle against a strong CHF which has an impact on its crew and office cost base. That extra cost is far from being offset by higher fares.

The market dynamics in ZRH and GVA are different in that: ex-ZRH LX controls a majority of the market share, people who want to travel to many destinations don't have much of an alternative. ex-GVA there is a strong pressure on fares by EZS, if LX wants to compete they need to be competitive fare wise they need to keep a tight grasp on their costs. What LX does offer in both markets compared to LCCs is a more civilised experience, relatively new aircraft, M&M and the opportunity for nationalistic passengers to fly an airline with a cross on its tail.

If you look at the other competitors who is really left serving free food ? IAG carriers are all BOB, as well as TP, SK, LO. Leaves pretty much AF,KL,AZ,A3,TK as the only major airlines still offering a free meal in economy. I don't think it's really hard to imagine most of those airlines transitioning to BOB in the next months based on LH group and the overall market context.

GVA has also served as the laboratory for Swiss' new enhancements. The light fares were trialed there first, BOB (2nd round) also. In both cases the initial concept was a lot more passenger friendly than the final LH group wide version (light fare could be upgraded to flex, baggage initially included for elite members, a sandwich continued to be served to classic/flex customers, etc.).

hervebkk wrote:
Swiss already tried that in the years 2004/2005 (correct me if wrong) at their beginning to save a few francs, you had to pay for each drink in Y in Europe (not sure about C). They reintroduced free drinks and snacks / sandwiches quickly....


Indeed, it last until around 2008. The quality of the food became worse as time went on. When LX implemented it they were one of the only flag carriers to go down that road. Product was perceived poorly and at the time people were willing to pay a price premium to fly on a traditional airline. This was also before one-way fares and the fares were still higher than many competitors.

Blerg wrote:
What's the logic of having BoB to Moscow when you are indirectly competing with SU whcih offers free meals and drinks? I know they fly to different Moscow airports but they are still serving the same market.


Switzerland-Russia has very limited bilateral agreements. The main selling point is the non-stop flight rather than a small dish of pasta or sandwich (the free food to Russia was honestly a joke both in quality and size). Many people will also fly Swiss for M&M, A220 comfort (ex-GVA) or not wanting to fly a Russian airline. DME has been BOB ex-GVA for 2 years and it didn't really have an impact on booking trends when introduced.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:51 pm

runway23 wrote:
eurotrader85 wrote:
What's the logic of LX having BoB whatsoever? We are talking of a premium airline in a premium market whose management have suddenly decided they need to compete in a race to the bottom against easyjet to knock a few francs per seat off the cost, in a market where it was able to charge premium fares.

Those few francs are pretty much the difference between loss making and potentially profitable flights.


Except they really are not on what is the jewel in the crown in the LH suite of airlines. If you have been in the back of the plane on the CHF900+ ZRH-BRU flight you can expect a bit of basic complementary service.

runway23 wrote:
As to why they are doing it. Well people pretty much only book based on price these days.


Except in Switzerland this is not the case. People can and do pay more for a better service and the extra francs really are secondary. Everyone likes to pretend these days that because Skyscanner can show you a fare on a route EUR1.00 cheaper than the other, the world is going to flock to that airline. It simply is not the case.

runway23 wrote:
There's also very little premium market left ex-Switzerland.


That is just fundamentally wrong. If that was the case how has LX kept going all these years and supported fleet expansion in a country of just 8.5Mln, with a host of transfer traffic at the fares it charges?

runway23 wrote:
What LX does offer in both markets compared to LCCs is a more civilised experience, relatively new aircraft, M&M and the opportunity for nationalistic passengers to fly an airline with a cross on its tail.


I would not describe BoB as a “more civilised” experience.

The fact that Swiss are doing this with CHF18.50 Hamburgers from Sprungli highlights the fact they are very aware that BoB will damage their brand and are trying to masquerade this as keeping a premium service on a premium airline. It did not work with BA as no one was taken in by it and just gave the howls that BA now stood for ‘Budget Airline’. It is a pleasant development that in the post Cruz era they have brought back a small complementary snack and drink. When times are tough better service is required to bring back customers.


I’m personally a bit baffled by all the talk coming out at LH group parent at the moment. Passenger traffic is going to come back, certainly in the horizon of normal long-term fleet planning. The world will eventually get back to normal (if politicians can pull their thumbs out of vaccine rollout), people will travel again and pay fares. Talk that the ‘77W is too big’ an airplane and ‘we need to save the CHF4.00 cost per person or they will never fly with us again’ in the ‘new normal’ when it wasn’t the case before just comes across as reactionary to the awful blip we are in.

I actually think LH/LX will be in a better position in the emerging environment than its peers such as IAG as feel the hub and spoke model will make a bit more of an early come back compared to point to point, which may take longer before pax demand pushes out for direct to secondary cities again. LH group are certainly better set up with their hubbing model through FRA/MUC/ZRH verses BA more focussed on point to point largely through LHR.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:17 pm

In my opinion, Swiss will fail very miserably ex-Zurich with this new BoB concept. Remember: players who keep investing especially during difficult times, will become even stronger once the whole Covid thing will be over (see what Qatar Airways has been doing). Someone mentioned TK: yes, they temporarily cut on the onboard service & on their amazing catering, but for the sake of avoiding laying-off their employees (and, indeed, TK did not fire anyone, unlike what Emirates, Etihad & the whole Lufthansa Group have done)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ogvrw0L17E&t=21s
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:57 pm

eurotrader85 wrote:
Except they really are not on what is the jewel in the crown in the LH suite of airlines. If you have been in the back of the plane on the CHF900+ ZRH-BRU flight you can expect a bit of basic complementary service.


What's your alternative on ZRH-BRU ? It's precisely the type of route I was pointing out... There's no alternative. A passenger on that route is hostage to LX's predatory pricing. That 900 CHF fare is probably a day-trip - LX knows 99% it's a business traveller who will expense it. That same passenger will also probably, by virtue of status, have access to a lounge or can expense an extra 10-15 CHF on board. Even if they can't, most business travellers can expense a meal at the airport prior to their flight home in the evening. That same meal is going to be a lot better than a cheese sandwich.

eurotrader85 wrote:
Except in Switzerland this is not the case. People can and do pay more for a better service and the extra francs really are secondary. Everyone likes to pretend these days that because Skyscanner can show you a fare on a route EUR1.00 cheaper than the other, the world is going to flock to that airline. It simply is not the case.


Keep telling yourself that. The evidence points in the other direction (I say this as someone who knows the Swiss market very well). People will and do book flights on "inferior" airlines just because the sticker price is 5-10 CHF less. Switzerland is no exception. In fact, you also have the contrary, especially ex-GVA where people believe easyJet is always the cheapest airline when others are often at the same or lower price point. This is even more applicable on ethnic routes such as LIS and OPO.

eurotrader85 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
There's also very little premium market left ex-Switzerland.

That is just fundamentally wrong. If that was the case how has LX kept going all these years and supported fleet expansion in a country of just 8.5Mln, with a host of transfer traffic at the fares it charges?


Key, we are discussing short-haul. Of course there is premium demand to Switzerland long-haul and those flights were what was keeping most of the ZRH hub going. Pre-covid Switzerland's yield on long-haul was 2-3x as high as pretty much any other country in Europe (only the UK came close).

Swiss is very much at risk going forward with a lack of intercontinental demand which might take years to come back. Things will hurt a lot more considering how front-heavy LX's planes are and the fact that long-haul aircraft constituted about a third of LX's fleet. It's a tough spot for the airline and something has to give.

eurotrader85 wrote:
The fact that Swiss are doing this with CHF18.50 Hamburgers from Sprungli highlights the fact they are very aware that BoB will damage their brand and are trying to masquerade this as keeping a premium service on a premium airline. It did not work with BA as no one was taken in by it and just gave the howls that BA now stood for ‘Budget Airline’. It is a pleasant development that in the post Cruz era they have brought back a small complementary snack and drink. When times are tough better service is required to bring back customers.


BA has gone back to BOB - the complimentary meals were just a temporary covid measure. If it really hurt their brand and yield they wouldn't have brought BOB back (they also changed the provider in the process). BA is just as much a premium airline as Swiss.

I also disagree that when times are tough you need better service. A lot points to the fact that when times are tough people pay a lot more attention to every single penny they spend. A sandwich with stale cheese or a brötchen with an 18 month shelf life doesn't mean you're premium.
A good business class product is a lot more important and people who value that will pay to upgrade (or directly buy a business class ticket).

fil87 wrote:
In my opinion, Swiss will fail very miserably ex-Zurich with this new BoB concept. Remember: players who keep investing especially during difficult times, will become even stronger once the whole Covid thing will be over (see what Qatar Airways has been doing). Someone mentioned TK: yes, they temporarily cut on the onboard service & on their amazing catering, but for the sake of avoiding laying-off their employees (and, indeed, TK did not fire anyone, unlike what Emirates, Etihad & the whole Lufthansa Group have done)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ogvrw0L17E&t=21s


I don't think you can compare airlines that temporarily cut or streamlined service during covid to limit the amount of interactions between their crew and passengers.

BOB is planned since about 18 months for the entire LH group. It just took a while to test and implement amidst a pandemic.

Once again, yield for the next 2-5 years is probably way down the toilet and may possibly return or never return. Cutting costs is more important than ever before and the place to cut is where people are most price sensitive - at the back on short-haul flights. What's the incentive to keep throwing low quality sandwiches to passengers (of which 20-30% are never consumed) if 90% of your competitors don't serve a free meal and LH group accounts for 65% of your home base pax count ? If a traveler isn't happy that they have to pay for a sandwich on ZRH-LHR they aren't going to flock to BA where they'd also have to pay for food/drinks. What option does a time sensitive traveller have to BRU/FRA/NCE/PRG - are they really going to waste time flying via another hub just for a free sandwich or coke ?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:01 am

Austrian Airlines also tried BoB and it failed. Issue here is that airlines such as LH, LX or OS simply can't win the fare war against airlines such as Wizz air,Ryanair or easyJet. This is just LH Group not being imaginative enough and them thinking that they can just maximize profits by cutting on the onboard experience. People who flew on Swiss did so because they had certain expectations. That's why LX was so profitable. Now they will damage the brand and it will cost them a lot to change that.

By the way, even though LO has a BoB menu, they still give out a drink and a chocolate. Similar to what Air Serbia does (free bottle of water and a snack).

As for Miles&More, how competitive is that program anyway? Our company used to have account with them but we closed it as it was not worth having it. We switched to AF-KL.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:00 am

The only difference is that on LH Group people still get some bottled water and a sweet treat for free, and this will not be given to BA or the LCCs. A subtle difference there.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:45 am

Blerg wrote:
Austrian Airlines also tried BoB and it failed.


Not true, AUA will re-start shortly again with BoB, in line with the LH Group. BUT AUA will offer only sweets and no water bottle like LH and LX. I think LH Group missed here the opportunity to offer the same service levels across their brands OS/LX/LH/SN... :twocents:

https://www.austrianairlines.ag/Press/P ... CB68ED8%7d
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:13 pm

FlyBair will discontinue all operations in 2021 due to COVID and restart earliest in 2022:
https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/flybair-an ... 0267974003
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:20 am

debonair wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Austrian Airlines also tried BoB and it failed.


Not true, AUA will re-start shortly again with BoB, in line with the LH Group. BUT AUA will offer only sweets and no water bottle like LH and LX. I think LH Group missed here the opportunity to offer the same service levels across their brands OS/LX/LH/SN... :twocents:

https://www.austrianairlines.ag/Press/P ... CB68ED8%7d


I am referring to their failed BoB experiment from about a decade and a half ago.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:55 am

A330-300 HB-JHM is planned to come back from storage in AMM. I see flight LX5243 planned for 09MAR AMM-ZRH.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:20 pm

DALCE wrote:
A330-300 HB-JHM is planned to come back from storage in AMM. I see flight LX5243 planned for 09MAR AMM-ZRH.


It seems like the A330 is now taking over several A340 routes, haven't seen too many of them in FR24
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:50 pm

The cyclus of heavy maintenance eats up some capacity in the 340 & 77W fleet, resulting in slightly more action on the 330-fleet. As example HB-JMA just returned esrlier this week from maintenance in AMM.
Gradually more capacity is being loaded to the network with the IATA-summer season starting March 28th, this aswell should give more action for the 330’s.
This will hopefully also mark the return of the first 321’s which are currently all stored including the NEO’s.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pm

DALCE wrote:
The cyclus of heavy maintenance eats up some capacity in the 340 & 77W fleet, resulting in slightly more action on the 330-fleet. As example HB-JMA just returned esrlier this week from maintenance in AMM.
Gradually more capacity is being loaded to the network with the IATA-summer season starting March 28th, this aswell should give more action for the 330’s.
This will hopefully also mark the return of the first 321’s which are currently all stored including the NEO’s.


Okay thanks for the info. Is there a website or another source where you get this info from? It's interesting
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm

Mostly own knowledge and conclusions taken from various open sources, could be airliners, could be fr24 etc. There is no single website where you can find it, it’s in my head.
I always try to be as open as possible, but am always very careful with internal information which I obviously can’t share.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:31 am

Air Serbia to become one of the first airlines in the world to trial the IATA digital passport. Initially it will be tested on BEG-ZRH.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2021/03/ai ... gital.html
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:55 am

What happened to HB-JHM in AMM on March 11th? It flew towards West, and made a U-Turn over Jerusalem and back to AMM. FR24 indicated a flight back to ZRH but diverted to AMM. Technical issue or was is only a test flight and planned like that? I assume a planned test flight would either go into the Sea like Swiss' A340 did last week, or stay in Jordan, I guess Israelis don't like such maneuvers over their territory.....

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... m#270866a3
 
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Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:10 am

The other day I met a guy who works for BEG and I asked him what was the situation like on BEG-GVA where both Air Serbia and easyJet operate. He said that easyJet has between 15 and 25 passengers while JU does better with 35-40 but with 5-6 passengers in business class. JU gets quite a lot of transfers right now.
Since there is quarantine this isn't that bad for JU. Hopefully once the situation calms down loads on BEG-GVA could improve.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Anyone know when LX will resume JFK-GVA? UA isn't flying to GVA at all for the next six months, and I am aware LX has pulled all but ZRH from GVA due to the pandemic situation for a few weeks, but curious if this flight is planned to return soon and whether it will be on the A330-300 again? LX has been using the 77W to JFK from ZRH which it only did once prior, when the type was introduced and it was only for about a month.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:38 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Anyone know when LX will resume JFK-GVA? UA isn't flying to GVA at all for the next six months, and I am aware LX has pulled all but ZRH from GVA due to the pandemic situation for a few weeks, but curious if this flight is planned to return soon and whether it will be on the A330-300 again? LX has been using the 77W to JFK from ZRH which it only did once prior, when the type was introduced and it was only for about a month.


JFK-GVA has been pulled for the whole summer season. Right now in the schedules for the winter starting Oct 31
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:29 pm

panamair wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Anyone know when LX will resume JFK-GVA? UA isn't flying to GVA at all for the next six months, and I am aware LX has pulled all but ZRH from GVA due to the pandemic situation for a few weeks, but curious if this flight is planned to return soon and whether it will be on the A330-300 again? LX has been using the 77W to JFK from ZRH which it only did once prior, when the type was introduced and it was only for about a month.


JFK-GVA has been pulled for the whole summer season. Right now in the schedules for the winter starting Oct 31


Thank you
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:49 pm

swiss now schedules, according to their webpage, Edelweiss A340 from ZRH to LHR during the month of April, cargo related. With the UK quarantine regulation in place, I will miss the opportunity to fly the widebody, what a shame! Would have loved to fly...
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:09 pm

debonair wrote:
swiss now schedules, according to their webpage, Edelweiss A340 from ZRH to LHR during the month of April, cargo related. With the UK quarantine regulation in place, I will miss the opportunity to fly the widebody, what a shame! Would have loved to fly...

Lately I had a passenger on board to LHR, who flew right back with us. Thus he only had to go through the transit area and was excepted from quarantine regulations. Just the covid related forms had to be filed before flight.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:50 am

Are the plans of phasing out Edelweiss's A320 HB-IHX/Y/Z this year still in force?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:11 am

Today HB-JLT and HB-JBD are scheduled to SOF and LJU respectively, both on LX84xx flight numbers. Are those flights about to return or scheduled for longer term parking?

Also since a few days HB-IOC is back on schedule. I certainly hope there are more coming.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:59 pm

AntonovA330 wrote:
Today HB-JLT and HB-JBD are scheduled to SOF and LJU respectively, both on LX84xx flight numbers. Are those flights about to return or scheduled for longer term parking?

Both flights are shown on the Zurich Airport website. I don't think that it is for storage because they usually use flight numbers LX5XXX for ferry flights. Those flights look like passengers charter flights. But I don't know the real reason.

AntonovA330 wrote:
Also since a few days HB-IOC is back on schedule. I certainly hope there are more coming.

HB-JPA and HB-JPB (A321NX) flew out of GVA and are planned on flights the next few days in ZRH, some A320 were also taken out of storage from GVA and returned to service gradually. I guess that they are slowly preparing for the Easter holidays
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:29 pm

Panagiotis wrote:
AntonovA330 wrote:
Today HB-JLT and HB-JBD are scheduled to SOF and LJU respectively, both on LX84xx flight numbers. Are those flights about to return or scheduled for longer term parking?

Both flights are shown on the Zurich Airport website. I don't think that it is for storage because they usually use flight numbers LX5XXX for ferry flights. Those flights look like passengers charter flights. But I don't know the real reason.

Both flights left as LX84xx and return tonight as LX58xx (should have checked ZRH timetable earlier...). Maybe for pilot positioning, although I'm not sure if any LX-aircraft were parked at SOF and LJU.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:31 pm

Panagiotis wrote:
Both flights are shown on the Zurich Airport website. I don't think that it is for storage because they usually use flight numbers LX5XXX for ferry flights. Those flights look like passengers charter flights. But I don't know the real reason.


Both flights left as LX84xx and return tonight as LX58xx (should have checked ZRH timetable earlier...). Maybe for pilot positioning, although I'm not sure if any LX-aircraft were parked at SOF and LJU.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:34 pm

AntonovA330 wrote:
Panagiotis wrote:
Both flights are shown on the Zurich Airport website. I don't think that it is for storage because they usually use flight numbers LX5XXX for ferry flights. Those flights look like passengers charter flights. But I don't know the real reason.


Both flights left as LX84xx and return tonight as LX58xx (should have checked ZRH timetable earlier...). Maybe for pilot positioning, although I'm not sure if any LX-aircraft were parked at SOF and LJU.


SOF is for Bulgaria - Switzerland football game tomorrow.
LJU for the Under 21 Football team.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:52 pm

Today HB-IJH left ZRH via SNN to CDT. Don’t think she’ll be back.
25years old A320, probably on sale as Aviation tags somewhere in the near future
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:08 pm

Are there any signs that Switzerland might change its quarantine list? Any countries for which entry requirements might change? From what I remember the UK and the US can now enter freely?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:06 pm

Blerg wrote:
Are there any signs that Switzerland might change its quarantine list? Any countries for which entry requirements might change? From what I remember the UK and the US can now enter freely?


Here’s the list of current risk countries:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... #858610174

List is updated every two weeks.

Pax coming from the UK and the US no longer have to quarantine; but the entry restrictions for Americans is still in effect. All this means is no quarantine for those allowed to enter from the US.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:08 am

According to Skyliner, Edelweiss' HB-JHR is being transfered to Eurowings Discover

Airbus A330 -343 1711 HB-JHR Edelweiss Air ferried 06apr21 ZRH-CGR prior transfer to Eurowings Discover
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:57 am

HB-JHQ is also leaving Edelweiss. The A340's will form the longhaul-fleet until replacement 787/350's will be ordered/positioned from LH group orders and arrive in some years time.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:59 pm

Update Quarantine list from the Federal Public Health Office, Turkey finally added but UAE and Israel taken off which is welcome news.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... liste.html
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:19 pm

DALCE wrote:
HB-JHQ is also leaving Edelweiss. The A340's will form the longhaul-fleet until replacement 787/350's will be ordered/positioned from LH group orders and arrive in some years time.


You’re sure they won’t go back to A330s when they 787/350s come in to replace the A330s elsewhere?
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:11 pm

Pretty sure as by that time the 340’s need replacement and 330’s have not enough range to cover the Edelweiss network. Looking at pre-covid, SGN,EZE,SAN,YVR,HKT would be outside reach for the 330’s withou a hefty weight penalty.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:09 am

eurotrader85 wrote:
Update Quarantine list from the Federal Public Health Office, Turkey finally added but UAE and Israel taken off which is welcome news.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... liste.html


Thank you for the link. Interesting that it took so long for Turkey to be added. Covid has been spreading there like wildfire. I wonder how this will impact TK, I noticed they had quite a lot of capacity to Zurich. On Sunday I think they sent the B77W and A321 in one day.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:01 pm

Bern airport has largely given up on commercial airline passenger flights for the time being
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/interview ... r-im-fokus (article in German, but Google Translate works well)
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 11:31 am

Swiss Airlines is reducing fleet size, cuts workforce and lays off 780 employees. The fleet will be reduced as follows:

"The company’s fleet of short- and medium-haul planes will be reduced by ten to 59, and long-haul aircraft by five to 26 – a total reduction of 15% of fleet size compared to 2019."

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-airl ... t/46595458

A different source (in German) mentions more details about the fleet cuts and lay-offs: The 780 employees concerned are split into 200 ground personnel, 60 technicians, 400 cabin crew and 120 cockpit crew members.
The short-medium haul planes concerned are mentioned to be "Airbus 320 models", the long haul planes "from the Airbus family".

https://www.watson.ch/wirtschaft/schwei ... erkleinern
 
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Thu May 06, 2021 1:33 pm

What long-haul routes might be cut/reduced with the newly announced fleet reductions?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 1:47 pm

mileduets wrote:
The short-medium haul planes concerned are mentioned to be "Airbus 320 models", the long haul planes "from the Airbus family".


Don’t forget to mention the Helvetic wetlease. In the press release they state the reduction from 69 to 59 aircraft will consist of a reduction in wet leases and A320 models.

Long term a big blow to 2L. Short term there were press articles that they could fly for EW.

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