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freakyrat wrote:rampantfox wrote:While Covid had traffic down last year iI personally if I was in management would have started on Gate 9 and completely rebuilt the ramp from there one Gate at a time. They could have had Gate 8 and 9 done in no time. Now as traffic is returning and the ramp is falling apart under the weight of the aircraft they have to be rushed to do it.
freakyrat wrote:Just saw the plans for Phase 2 of the SBN Taxiway B realignment project. This will include a 2 slot Deice Apron etc. Lots of Gate swapping will also be required during the construction which is scheduled for May of next year and will take 75 days for completion. Final Phase on the East side will take the taxiway parallel to Rwy 9R/27L to a point where the old Rwy 30 was and rejoin it at the present Taxiway B in that area. Should be really nice when finished. Taxiway B will also be wider and include paved shoulders.
All this is nice but the ramp pavement issues need to be promptly addressed.
freakyrat wrote:
The whole Ramp needs a rebuild. Delta had to move their Gate 5 jets over to the former Gate 4 area because the concrete is thicker.
When they built the new terminal they should have rebuilt the whole parking ramp with heavy reinforced concrete. That was Shalliol's fault. Musical gates because of the cheapass asphalt. I do not think it even met FAA Specs to be honest. Gates 2 thru 4 area have the thicker concrete which was part of the original concrete when the old terminal was here.
The plan is for a complete ramp rebuild taking out all the slopes. Cost 3.5 Million Dollars. It ceases to amaze me how that SBN can have a nice building but crappy pavement and FWA can have a ho hum building with pristine pavement. A couple of us who would like to see things better have been on management's ass for years to get this done.
The Delta RFP for SBN-JFK was over 5 years ago when Business traffic was going to New York. With Business Traffic down and International non existent and Business Travel shifting towards Texas no reason to start that flight any more. SLC though would be highly desired for better West Coast connections and to beat UA at the DEN game. Would also be good during ski season and during that time period an A220 could work for hauling all the skis and luggage. Delta want's the pavement fixed first and then they will talk about mainline.
Taxiway Bravo is going to be nice concrete with paved shoulders. From the drawings it looks like it will be 100ft wide with a de-ice ramp which should make it nice for A300 freight dogs.
Just my thoughts here.
atypical wrote:freakyrat wrote:
The whole Ramp needs a rebuild. Delta had to move their Gate 5 jets over to the former Gate 4 area because the concrete is thicker.
When they built the new terminal they should have rebuilt the whole parking ramp with heavy reinforced concrete. That was Shalliol's fault. Musical gates because of the cheapass asphalt. I do not think it even met FAA Specs to be honest. Gates 2 thru 4 area have the thicker concrete which was part of the original concrete when the old terminal was here.
The plan is for a complete ramp rebuild taking out all the slopes. Cost 3.5 Million Dollars. It ceases to amaze me how that SBN can have a nice building but crappy pavement and FWA can have a ho hum building with pristine pavement. A couple of us who would like to see things better have been on management's ass for years to get this done.
The Delta RFP for SBN-JFK was over 5 years ago when Business traffic was going to New York. With Business Traffic down and International non existent and Business Travel shifting towards Texas no reason to start that flight any more. SLC though would be highly desired for better West Coast connections and to beat UA at the DEN game. Would also be good during ski season and during that time period an A220 could work for hauling all the skis and luggage. Delta want's the pavement fixed first and then they will talk about mainline.
Taxiway Bravo is going to be nice concrete with paved shoulders. From the drawings it looks like it will be 100ft wide with a de-ice ramp which should make it nice for A300 freight dogs.
Just my thoughts here.
Is there anything online showing the projected work?
freakyrat wrote:atypical wrote:freakyrat wrote:
The whole Ramp needs a rebuild. Delta had to move their Gate 5 jets over to the former Gate 4 area because the concrete is thicker.
When they built the new terminal they should have rebuilt the whole parking ramp with heavy reinforced concrete. That was Shalliol's fault. Musical gates because of the cheapass asphalt. I do not think it even met FAA Specs to be honest. Gates 2 thru 4 area have the thicker concrete which was part of the original concrete when the old terminal was here.
The plan is for a complete ramp rebuild taking out all the slopes. Cost 3.5 Million Dollars. It ceases to amaze me how that SBN can have a nice building but crappy pavement and FWA can have a ho hum building with pristine pavement. A couple of us who would like to see things better have been on management's ass for years to get this done.
The Delta RFP for SBN-JFK was over 5 years ago when Business traffic was going to New York. With Business Traffic down and International non existent and Business Travel shifting towards Texas no reason to start that flight any more. SLC though would be highly desired for better West Coast connections and to beat UA at the DEN game. Would also be good during ski season and during that time period an A220 could work for hauling all the skis and luggage. Delta want's the pavement fixed first and then they will talk about mainline.
Taxiway Bravo is going to be nice concrete with paved shoulders. From the drawings it looks like it will be 100ft wide with a de-ice ramp which should make it nice for A300 freight dogs.
Just my thoughts here.
Is there anything online showing the projected work?
There is nothing online. A friend of mine got the bid package from Mead & Hunt and sent it to me. The package is rather involved and the drawings are highly technical. Send me a private message with an email address and I'll send you a picture.
rampantfox wrote:Rumor has it that while digging up part of Taxiway B, several discarded mattresses were found underneath the taxiway. No work has really been done since the initial tear up but that is the talk around the airport right now.
I absolutely love FWA. The terminal, ramp, everything was nicely designed and laid out. I really hope SBN is willing to spend the cash to bring its facilities up to par with FWA because as they are right now they are far behind. Notre Dame has also just announced that home football games will be filled to capacity so I would expect to see some mainline equipment filter into the schedule. Especially with USC and Navy both coming to South Bend. You might also see some spill over for the Wisconsin v. UND game in Chicago.
rampantfox wrote:Rumor has it that while digging up part of Taxiway B, several discarded mattresses were found underneath the taxiway. No work has really been done since the initial tear up but that is the talk around the airport right now.
I absolutely love FWA. The terminal, ramp, everything was nicely designed and laid out. I really hope SBN is willing to spend the cash to bring its facilities up to par with FWA because as they are right now they are far behind. Notre Dame has also just announced that home football games will be filled to capacity so I would expect to see some mainline equipment filter into the schedule. Especially with USC and Navy both coming to South Bend. You might also see some spill over for the Wisconsin v. UND game in Chicago.
freakyrat wrote:SBN's numbers are out for April. Nothing approaching 2019's record numbers about the same as 2017 enplanements but nonetheless very positive compared to 2020.
https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2021.pdf
freakyrat wrote:freakyrat wrote:SBN's numbers are out for April. Nothing approaching 2019's record numbers about the same as 2017 enplanements but nonetheless very positive compared to 2020.
https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2021.pdf
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
FlyingElvii wrote:freakyrat wrote:freakyrat wrote:SBN's numbers are out for April. Nothing approaching 2019's record numbers about the same as 2017 enplanements but nonetheless very positive compared to 2020.
https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2021.pdf
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
Get with FWA and make a deal to help cover two 175’s a Day to Denver, ala round-robin like UA used to do with a 727.
freakyrat wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:freakyrat wrote:
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
Get with FWA and make a deal to help cover two 175’s a Day to Denver, ala round-robin like UA used to do with a 727.
If we terminate overnight in FWA UA would have enough enplanements at both stations to cover these flights with a mainline B737-800 or Airbus A319. To be ADA compliant at their gates at SBN I would go with a B737-800 Of course they would need a power cart, towbars and other equipment. I do not know who does their ground servicing at SBN but DGS at SBN has all that GSE equipment. They could also use Gate 9 which has Ground Power and AC equipment built in like Swift did a few weeks ago.
FlyingElvii wrote:freakyrat wrote:freakyrat wrote:SBN's numbers are out for April. Nothing approaching 2019's record numbers about the same as 2017 enplanements but nonetheless very positive compared to 2020.
https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2021.pdf
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
Get with FWA and make a deal to help cover two 175’s a Day to Denver, ala round-robin like UA used to do with a 727.
jetskipper wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:freakyrat wrote:
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
Get with FWA and make a deal to help cover two 175’s a Day to Denver, ala round-robin like UA used to do with a 727.
Other than some EAS trips, the only round robin UA currently operates is ORD-ANC-FAI-ORD. Lower 48 flights like this are simply not in their business model, especially for mainline assets. We are almost 25 years out from the ATL-TOL-FWA-ATL, ATL-SDF-LEX-ATL flights and unfortunately they will never come back. I’m assuming both SBN and FWA-DEN will start on a 50-seat RJ and be up-gauged to a 70-seat aircraft.
jetskipper wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:freakyrat wrote:
According to the May Airport Board Meeting United will be increasing their daily SBN-ORD flights to 7-8 Round Trips early next year. Well they are starting that in November. The Airport also has been in discussion with United concerning flights to Denver. I believe those will come once Denver completes the concourse expansions. Before F9 changed to an ULCC and de-hubbed DEN they flew an A319 from SBN-DEN three times a week. The lowest number of passengers they flew was about 65 the highest 130. So the market is definitely there. The route would also offer an alternative to ORD for connections. The local Mgr. for United said they could profitably operate 2 daily 70-seaters on the route. It is just a matter of some arm twisting and bargaining to get United to OK it. With Notre Dame allowing full fans in the stadium for football i would also assume that United will resume their seasonal SBN-EWR flight in September like they have in the past lasting till December.
Get with FWA and make a deal to help cover two 175’s a Day to Denver, ala round-robin like UA used to do with a 727.
Other than some EAS trips, the only round robin UA currently operates is ORD-ANC-FAI-ORD. Lower 48 flights like this are simply not in their business model, especially for mainline assets. We are almost 25 years out from the ATL-TOL-FWA-ATL, ATL-SDF-LEX-ATL flights and unfortunately they will never come back. I’m assuming both SBN and FWA-DEN will start on a 50-seat RJ and be up-gauged to a 70-seat aircraft.
freakyrat wrote:Great News for South Bend International Airport Travelers announced today by American Airlines. Starting August 17th American is adding a Third daily flight from South Bend to Charlotte. The American Eagle CRJ900 operated by PSA will leave SBN at 5:09 PM arriving in CLT at 7:04 PM. In addition on Notre dame Home Football game weekends American will be operating a roundtrip flight to SBN from New York LaGuardia leaving on Friday Evening at 4:25 Pm and arriving in SBN at 6:44 PM. That flight will be operated by Republic Airlines for American Eagle using an E175. Flight will return to LGA on Sunday. These LGA flights are in addition to the CRJ900 ones that will be operated by Delta.
When American returned to South Bend they operated twice daily DFW-SBN-CLT and reverse with a CRJ700 then the demand for the CLT part of the flight outstripped the number of seats so they split the duties up with PSA operating the SBN-CLT flights with a CRJ900. Now it seems as traffic is returning after Covid that the need for an evening flight was there.
jetskipper wrote:No, AA is staying with 2x FWA-CLT, an early morning CR9 and an afternoon CR7.
FWAERJ wrote:jetskipper wrote:No, AA is staying with 2x FWA-CLT, an early morning CR9 and an afternoon CR7.
Then again, AA also has PHL and ORD from FWA, neither of which are served from SBN.
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jetskipper wrote:FWAERJ wrote:jetskipper wrote:No, AA is staying with 2x FWA-CLT, an early morning CR9 and an afternoon CR7.
Then again, AA also has PHL and ORD from FWA, neither of which are served from SBN.
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AA for sure has more lift out of FWA than SBN. I’m just impressed there are any additions this soon after the pandemic. I thought it would take years to get back to 2019 levels.
jetskipper wrote:FWAERJ wrote:jetskipper wrote:No, AA is staying with 2x FWA-CLT, an early morning CR9 and an afternoon CR7.
Then again, AA also has PHL and ORD from FWA, neither of which are served from SBN.
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AA for sure has more lift out of FWA than SBN. I’m just impressed there are any additions this soon after the pandemic. I thought it would take years to get back to 2019 levels.
FWAERJ wrote:AA is adding a third FWA-DFW on the same day SBN gets their third CLT.
65 seat SkyWest CR7.
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alancostello wrote:I have to assume the increase on AA SBN-CLT is a massive outflux of people heading to places like Florida and the south-eastern coast given that international travel is still off-limits or contains significant risk/little reward in places that are still locked down. That SBN-PHL flight would be incredible for connecting to transatlantic travel, hopefully the timings work well to reflect that.
rampantfox wrote:I believe that Skywest is having some major staffing issues as even some of Delta’s Skywest flights out of SBN have been delayed several hours as well. There have been several days of equipment up and downgrades as well.
freakyrat wrote:rampantfox wrote:I believe that Skywest is having some major staffing issues as even some of Delta’s Skywest flights out of SBN have been delayed several hours as well. There have been several days of equipment up and downgrades as well.
Delta has mostly been moving to Endeavor for their SBN lift. The MSP flight came back with Skywest operating it. Just before the Pandemic started to wind down Skywest had problems having enough FA's for their flights.
rampantfox wrote:freakyrat wrote:rampantfox wrote:I believe that Skywest is having some major staffing issues as even some of Delta’s Skywest flights out of SBN have been delayed several hours as well. There have been several days of equipment up and downgrades as well.
Delta has mostly been moving to Endeavor for their SBN lift. The MSP flight came back with Skywest operating it. Just before the Pandemic started to wind down Skywest had problems having enough FA's for their flights.
The 0600 DTW departure is also Skywest. Endeavor has the rest of the flights. I believe the Skywest flights are operated as stand-ups for the crews. Monday and Friday TSA lines are insane right now. You have AA’s CLT flight leaving, DTW, ATL and MSP for Delta, a UA ORD flight and G4 to LAS all departing before 0730. TSA can’t seem to keep up which is resulting in a lot of people missing various flights.
The second daily MSP flight seems to keep getting pushed back out of SBN. AA announced LGA for ND home games and I believe DL will also announce the same.
rampantfox wrote:freakyrat wrote:rampantfox wrote:I believe that Skywest is having some major staffing issues as even some of Delta’s Skywest flights out of SBN have been delayed several hours as well. There have been several days of equipment up and downgrades as well.
Delta has mostly been moving to Endeavor for their SBN lift. The MSP flight came back with Skywest operating it. Just before the Pandemic started to wind down Skywest had problems having enough FA's for their flights.
The 0600 DTW departure is also Skywest. Endeavor has the rest of the flights. I believe the Skywest flights are operated as stand-ups for the crews. Monday and Friday TSA lines are insane right now. You have AA’s CLT flight leaving, DTW, ATL and MSP for Delta, a UA ORD flight and G4 to LAS all departing before 0730. TSA can’t seem to keep up which is resulting in a lot of people missing various flights. .
rampantfox wrote:Talk in SBN is that Gate 9 is getting paved here rather soon. Jetbridge and A320s are sinking into the concrete and creating a hazard. Same issue is also happening at Gate 5 with Delta. The weight of the aircraft is creating divots in the concrete. Allegiant will take gates 2 and 3 and American will utilize gate 7 until the project is completed.
Removal and realignment of taxiway Bravo is underway.
freakyrat wrote:rampantfox wrote:Talk in SBN is that Gate 9 is getting paved here rather soon. Jetbridge and A320s are sinking into the concrete and creating a hazard. Same issue is also happening at Gate 5 with Delta. The weight of the aircraft is creating divots in the concrete. Allegiant will take gates 2 and 3 and American will utilize gate 7 until the project is completed.
Removal and realignment of taxiway Bravo is underway.
Project started this week to fix the pavement issues at Gate 9. Allegiant is sharing Gates 2 and 3 with American as their flight times do not overlap. Delta has moved the jets on Gate 5 over to the former Gate 4 concrete section and they just swing the jet bridge over. There will be a complete ramp rebuild as part of the taxiway Bravo project.
freakyrat wrote:Well this is the worst that I saw this Skywest SBN-DFW flight to be late. Flight was suppose to leave around 7 in the morning and still hasn't left yet. A few thunderstorms around DFW this evening but that won't explain things. No excuses for an over 13hr delay. Passengers deserve to be compensated.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW ... /KSBN/KDFW
rampantfox wrote:Rumor has it that while digging up part of Taxiway B, several discarded mattresses were found underneath the taxiway. No work has really been done since the initial tear up but that is the talk around the airport right now.
I absolutely love FWA. The terminal, ramp, everything was nicely designed and laid out. I really hope SBN is willing to spend the cash to bring its facilities up to par with FWA because as they are right now they are far behind. Notre Dame has also just announced that home football games will be filled to capacity so I would expect to see some mainline equipment filter into the schedule. Especially with USC and Navy both coming to South Bend. You might also see some spill over for the Wisconsin v. UND game in Chicago.