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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:19 pm

What kind of operation is AA running having planes launching from Airside 1, 3 & 4? As far as I know, they're using all of the 50 gates, half of the 30 gates, a couple of 20 gates and a couple of 90 gates. NK uses 10's, 20's, 30's, and 90's as well.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:12 pm

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What kind of operation is AA running having planes launching from Airside 1, 3 & 4? As far as I know, they're using all of the 50 gates, half of the 30 gates, a couple of 20 gates and a couple of 90 gates. NK uses 10's, 20's, 30's, and 90's as well.


Probably running out of real estate. AA has grown substantially at MCO, I wonder if they are going to do in Orlando with what they are currently doing in AUS
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:57 am

Scraig08 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
What kind of operation is AA running having planes launching from Airside 1, 3 & 4? As far as I know, they're using all of the 50 gates, half of the 30 gates, a couple of 20 gates and a couple of 90 gates. NK uses 10's, 20's, 30's, and 90's as well.


Probably running out of real estate. AA has grown substantially at MCO, I wonder if they are going to do in Orlando with what they are currently doing in AUS

The ops do seem like a mess. Just flew back in today and it was extremely busy at MCO. AA also had a plane on the ramp where Spirit normally parks their idle jets.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:11 am

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Scraig08 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
What kind of operation is AA running having planes launching from Airside 1, 3 & 4? As far as I know, they're using all of the 50 gates, half of the 30 gates, a couple of 20 gates and a couple of 90 gates. NK uses 10's, 20's, 30's, and 90's as well.


Probably running out of real estate. AA has grown substantially at MCO, I wonder if they are going to do in Orlando with what they are currently doing in AUS

The ops do seem like a mess. Just flew back in today and it was extremely busy at MCO. AA also had a plane on the ramp where Spirit normally parks their idle jets.
I wonder if the opening of terminal C will alleviate this mess. I understand AA using both Airside 1 & 3 being on the west end of the airport but now using Airside 4 seems like things could get confusing. Thankfully, they updated signs to show what airlines go to which baggage claim.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:56 am

AA using Airside 4, and sometimes 2 gates are just for RON Terminators. They supertug those aircraft to their regular gates for departure. They do operate a few early departures out of Airside 1, that terminated there the night before. AA was doing this pre-pandemic also. This won't change until NK replaces B6 at Airside 1 and free up the 30s wing. I see AA and UA dividing those gates between them.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:53 am

Scraig08 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
What kind of operation is AA running having planes launching from Airside 1, 3 & 4? As far as I know, they're using all of the 50 gates, half of the 30 gates, a couple of 20 gates and a couple of 90 gates. NK uses 10's, 20's, 30's, and 90's as well.


Probably running out of real estate. AA has grown substantially at MCO, I wonder if they are going to do in Orlando with what they are currently doing in AUS


No it has not. Just added Austin, a one season Key West flight and some Saturday flying.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:23 pm

Good input everyone, thank you. In terms of daily departures I think AA has more but the preferred legacy of choice for originating MCO passengers is still Delta. I foresee DL re-adding international flights in the near term as well as a couple of P2P flights. Nothing spectacular
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:49 pm

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AA using Airside 4, and sometimes 2 gates are just for RON Terminators. They supertug those aircraft to their regular gates for departure. They do operate a few early departures out of Airside 1, that terminated there the night before. AA was doing this pre-pandemic also. This won't change until NK replaces B6 at Airside 1 and free up the 30s wing. I see AA and UA dividing those gates between them.

Are you sure? I was there midday (1pm) yesterday and they had flights departing 1, 3, and 4. Airside 1 was used for RON pre-COVID but those flights came in the evening (after 7pm). Them using Airside 4 at all is new, RON and regular flights.

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Good input everyone, thank you. In terms of daily departures I think AA has more but the preferred legacy of choice for originating MCO passengers is still Delta. I foresee DL re-adding international flights in the near term as well as a couple of P2P flights. Nothing spectacular

I am surprised Delta isn’t adding more p2p now. UA and AA both are adding a number of p2p to/from MCO. If Delta isn’t willing to add more p2p now then I doubt they will for a year or two more. Same with international.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:29 am

There's an American A321 and 737-800 at Airside 4 this morning. There was an A320 earlier but it left. NK also had 2 planes here earlier.Image

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Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:04 pm

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There's an American A321 and 737-800 at Airside 4 this morning. There was an A320 earlier but it left. NK also had 2 planes here earlier.

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Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:09 pm

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There's an American A321 and 737-800 at Airside 4 this morning. There was an A320 earlier but it left. NK also had 2 planes here earlier.

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Is this not the norm?
Not pre-COVID.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:08 pm

dabpit wrote:
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AA using Airside 4, and sometimes 2 gates are just for RON Terminators. They supertug those aircraft to their regular gates for departure. They do operate a few early departures out of Airside 1, that terminated there the night before. AA was doing this pre-pandemic also. This won't change until NK replaces B6 at Airside 1 and free up the 30s wing. I see AA and UA dividing those gates between them.

Are you sure? I was there midday (1pm) yesterday and they had flights departing 1, 3, and 4. Airside 1 was used for RON pre-COVID but those flights came in the evening (after 7pm). Them using Airside 4 at all is new, RON and regular flights.

flymco753 wrote:
Good input everyone, thank you. In terms of daily departures I think AA has more but the preferred legacy of choice for originating MCO passengers is still Delta. I foresee DL re-adding international flights in the near term as well as a couple of P2P flights. Nothing spectacular

I am surprised Delta isn’t adding more p2p now. UA and AA both are adding a number of p2p to/from MCO. If Delta isn’t willing to add more p2p now then I doubt they will for a year or two more. Same with international.


I think the AMS route will return in 2022 but I think you are right on that. We'll see increased frequency to the hubs and I could really see a DAL flight to the Bay Area and AUS but that is about it
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:14 pm

I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:30 pm

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I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:54 pm

aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX


Mint to LAX is not going to happen.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:57 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX


Mint to LAX is not going to happen.


I don't see why not, if PBI can get it and they aren't even a focus city I don't see why Orlando can't get one Mint flight
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:05 pm

aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX


B6 to LAS will happen, it's just a matter of when. I agree with everything else but I can't foresee MINT happening anytime soon but when they move to Terminal C, it's definitely a possibility
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:22 pm

Scraig08 wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX


B6 to LAS will happen, it's just a matter of when. I agree with everything else but I can't foresee MINT happening anytime soon but when they move to Terminal C, it's definitely a possibility

That is a bit optimistic. MCO will not see any MINT for another year or two still, if ever. PBI has the market for MINT and MCO does not. Expect no new B6 routes, DL at most might add AUS (didn’t they fly MCO-AUS before though?), UA and WN will not add those routes.

We will probably see a few more F9 and NK routes/destinations added. If (and a big if) we are lucky then a resumption of flights to Canada and Europe by the end of the year.

I think we will see some announcements this year for service starting next year. Who knows MCO might get service with Breeze.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:06 pm

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WN - PDX


There are a few other West Coast places other than PDX such as LAX and SNA that might be able to support nonstop service to MCO on WN if demand were at 2019 levels with the amount of demand that was there to MCO from LAX and SNA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

I probably would not expect SNA to get nonstop service to MCO anytime soon (even on an airline other than WN) with the slot restrictions and limits on the number of annual passengers that are there at SNA, even though there might have been enough demand for SNA-MCO nonstop service prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with the amount of passengers who were connecting between SNA and MCO prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

LAX was the largest WN station on the West Coast prior to WN launching service to Hawaii 2 years ago, but OAK became a bigger WN station than LAX after WN started nonstop service to Hawaii from OAK. WN also has strong brand recognition and significant market share in both MCO and LAX to support MCO-LAX nonstop service on WN.

While the PDEW of SEA-MCO was 506 passengers/day in Q2 2019, SEA-MCO is already pretty well served (at least absent any cuts by AS or DL) with AS planning on operating 3x daily and DL planning on operating 2x daily on SEA-MCO in March 2022. AS and DL both offer connections to MCO from destinations in the Pacific Northwest and Alaska that don't have any nonstop service to MCO through SEA.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:50 pm

aviationMCO8 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:

Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX


Mint to LAX is not going to happen.


I don't see why not, if PBI can get it and they aren't even a focus city I don't see why Orlando can't get one Mint flight


PBI is part of South Florida with strong premium demand to LA. Mint to PBI keeps the product consistent between the three South Florida airports - FLL and MIA also have Mint to LAX.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:32 pm

MCO is still the busiest airport in Florida, and also surpassed JFK, SFO, FRA, MAD, and AMS in 2020.


https://orlandoairports.net/press/2021/ ... ead%20more


Airports Council International (ACI) released its preliminary passenger statistics for 2020 and Orlando International Airport (MCO) improved its ranking in both the nation and the world. With 21,617,803 passengers, MCO ranks 26th among the world’s busiest airports and eighth in the United States. That’s an improvement over 2019 when MCO ranked 31st in the world and 10th in the U.S.

Orlando International remains the busiest airport in Florida and surpassed historically busier domestic airports like JFK and San Francisco and world hubs like Frankfurt, Germany; Madrid, Spain; and Amsterdam, Netherlands.
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:44 am

mcogator wrote:
MCO is still the busiest airport in Florida, and also surpassed JFK, SFO, FRA, MAD, and AMS in 2020.


https://orlandoairports.net/press/2021/ ... ead%20more


Airports Council International (ACI) released its preliminary passenger statistics for 2020 and Orlando International Airport (MCO) improved its ranking in both the nation and the world. With 21,617,803 passengers, MCO ranks 26th among the world’s busiest airports and eighth in the United States. That’s an improvement over 2019 when MCO ranked 31st in the world and 10th in the U.S.

Orlando International remains the busiest airport in Florida and surpassed historically busier domestic airports like JFK and San Francisco and world hubs like Frankfurt, Germany; Madrid, Spain; and Amsterdam, Netherlands.

For how crappy the past year was this is much welcomed news! I have traveled through MCO throughout the pandemic and have seen it at the deadest and busiest times over the year.
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 am

aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX

Why would DL start SFO-MCO or even BNA for that matter?

Why would UA fly JFK-MCO and how would they even rotate planes for such a route with the transcons from LAX/SFO? Also, why would they fly DCA-MCO when they can do it from IAD? Unless it were a Saturday only flight and just a way to fill a plane on a low business traffic day, I don't see the point.

Why would B6 fly Mint on LA-MCO?
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:43 am

I don't know how everyone else feels but I think some great news would be hearing about our international airlines coming back. I think DL re-introducing AMS would be icing on top of the cake right now.
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:45 am

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Why would DL start SFO-MCO or even BNA for that matter?


DL was the only airline serving CVG nonstop from SFO after UA discontinued CVG-SFO nonstop service in January 2020, but DL suspended CVG-SFO nonstop service during the COVID-19 pandemic. I had also previously mentioned the possibility of UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service as (a) demand to the San Francisco Bay Area from CVG in Summer 2019 exceeded the capacity available on DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights, (b) UA has a hub at SFO, and (c) there are some UA FF's in the San Francisco Bay Area who would avoid other airlines such as DL whenever possible.

One of the reasons why UA dropped CVG-SFO but DL kept CVG-SFO nonstop service, even with the UA SFO hub and UA FF base in the San Francisco Bay Area, was that more of the demand for CVG-SFO nonstop service was on the CVG end of the route. There was a discussion of this back in November 2019 in the Rest Of Ohio discussion forum, and that discussion can be found at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411841&p=21776609#p21776609.

DL also had more market share than UA did on SFO-ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC O&D in 2019, but ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC are hubs for DL.

The situation is different on SFO-MCO as more of the O&D demand on the SFO-MCO route is likely on the SFO end of the route.
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:10 pm

aviationMCO8 wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX

Does WN have any transcon flights out of MCO, aside from LAS and PHX? I don't think that they would add MCO-PDX as their first non-focus city transcon route.

But PDX-MCO does need another airline for competition, and the demand is there for it. Alaska's fares on peak travel days are very expensive. SY tried it and it went down in flames (like their entire PDX focus city "experiment", lol). I would like to see B6 or maybe even DL try PDX-MCO, but that's probably just wishful thinking...
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:11 pm

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Brickell305 wrote:
Why would DL start SFO-MCO or even BNA for that matter?


DL was the only airline serving CVG nonstop from SFO after UA discontinued CVG-SFO nonstop service in January 2020, but DL suspended CVG-SFO nonstop service during the COVID-19 pandemic. I had also previously mentioned the possibility of UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service as (a) demand to the San Francisco Bay Area from CVG in Summer 2019 exceeded the capacity available on DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights, (b) UA has a hub at SFO, and (c) there are some UA FF's in the San Francisco Bay Area who would avoid other airlines such as DL whenever possible.

One of the reasons why UA dropped CVG-SFO but DL kept CVG-SFO nonstop service, even with the UA SFO hub and UA FF base in the San Francisco Bay Area, was that more of the demand for CVG-SFO nonstop service was on the CVG end of the route. There was a discussion of this back in November 2019 in the Rest Of Ohio discussion forum, and that discussion can be found at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411841&p=21776609#p21776609.

DL also had more market share than UA did on SFO-ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC O&D in 2019, but ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC are hubs for DL.

The situation is different on SFO-MCO as more of the O&D demand on the SFO-MCO route is likely on the SFO end of the route.

How does CVG-SFO have anything to do with SFO-MCO?
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:17 pm

Virgin has cut BFS-MCO and GLA-MCO for 2021 given the ongoing indecisiveness from the devolved Northern Irish and Scottish Governments regarding international travel

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/virgin-atlantic-cancel-flights-glasgow-20451441
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:30 pm

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How does CVG-SFO have anything to do with SFO-MCO?


The point that I was trying to make is that one of the main reasons that CVG-SFO has nonstop service on DL but not UA was that most of the O&D demand on the CVG-SFO route was on the CVG end, whereas most of the O&D demand on the SFO-MCO route is likely on the SFO end of the route. UA has also been serving MCO nonstop from SFO for over a decade, whereas UA had only served CVG nonstop from SFO for only 2 1/2 years at the time that UA discontinued CVG-SFO nonstop service in January 2020.
 
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:23 pm

For DL I can see AUS & MSY in the short term. To build out a broader strategy bringing back CUN & AMS will be valuable. I'd assume AUS-MCO-RDU or MSY would be a good opportunity for A220-100 flying.
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Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:13 am

The Central Florida Expressway Authority opened up the new double lane flyover ramp from the North Airport Exit to Westbound SR-528 yesterday. The old tight single lane looping ramp is no more. I’d expect there to be some confused visitors near the interchange over the next few days until GPS systems are updated to reflect the new ramp configuration.

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/
 
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The Central Florida Expressway Authority opened up the new double lane flyover ramp from the North Airport Exit to Westbound SR-528 yesterday. The old tight single lane looping ramp is no more. I’d expect there to be some confused visitors near the interchange over the next few days until GPS systems are updated to reflect the new ramp configuration.

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/
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Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:13 pm

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KMCOFlyer wrote:
The Central Florida Expressway Authority opened up the new double lane flyover ramp from the North Airport Exit to Westbound SR-528 yesterday. The old tight single lane looping ramp is no more. I’d expect there to be some confused visitors near the interchange over the next few days until GPS systems are updated to reflect the new ramp configuration.

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/
Thank goodness for the 417!


Eh that’s areas about to get torn up with construction as well. They are already working on widening it down by John Young Parkway and building new ramps at the Turnpike, but construction is supposed to expand to Boggy Creek road and the Airport exit by the summer.
 
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Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:23 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
The Central Florida Expressway Authority opened up the new double lane flyover ramp from the North Airport Exit to Westbound SR-528 yesterday. The old tight single lane looping ramp is no more. I’d expect there to be some confused visitors near the interchange over the next few days until GPS systems are updated to reflect the new ramp configuration.

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/
Thank goodness for the 417!


Eh that’s areas about to get torn up with construction as well. They are already working on widening it down by John Young Parkway and building new ramps at the Turnpike, but construction is supposed to expand to Boggy Creek road and the Airport exit by the summer.
For the last twenty something years I've been alive, as far as I remember we have always been under construction. :lol:
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:25 pm

flymco753 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
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Thank goodness for the 417!


Eh that’s areas about to get torn up with construction as well. They are already working on widening it down by John Young Parkway and building new ramps at the Turnpike, but construction is supposed to expand to Boggy Creek road and the Airport exit by the summer.
For the last twenty something years I've been alive, as far as I remember we have always been under construction. :lol:


The 429 south of the Turnpike interchange needs vast improvements. The highway is in rough shape and needs to be widened to make due with the increased traffic. Orlando will always be under construction.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:15 am

Scraig08 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

Eh that’s areas about to get torn up with construction as well. They are already working on widening it down by John Young Parkway and building new ramps at the Turnpike, but construction is supposed to expand to Boggy Creek road and the Airport exit by the summer.
For the last twenty something years I've been alive, as far as I remember we have always been under construction. :lol:


The 429 south of the Turnpike interchange needs vast improvements. The highway is in rough shape and needs to be widened to make due with the increased traffic. Orlando will always be under construction.


That section of Winter Garden has experienced some crazy growth over the past 5 years. I believe CFX is planning on widening the 429 next, but they are focusing on finishing the last 21 miles where the 417 is only 2 lanes in each direction south of SR-528/Beachline Expressway first before doing the Western Beltway. Using the south exit out of MCO to get to the Disney area was always a peaceful drive, but they have been really amping up the construction on 417 in the past few weeks, especially near John Young Parkway.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:13 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
For the last twenty something years I've been alive, as far as I remember we have always been under construction. :lol:


The 429 south of the Turnpike interchange needs vast improvements. The highway is in rough shape and needs to be widened to make due with the increased traffic. Orlando will always be under construction.


That section of Winter Garden has experienced some crazy growth over the past 5 years. I believe CFX is planning on widening the 429 next, but they are focusing on finishing the last 21 miles where the 417 is only 2 lanes in each direction south of SR-528/Beachline Expressway first before doing the Western Beltway. Using the south exit out of MCO to get to the Disney area was always a peaceful drive, but they have been really amping up the construction on 417 in the past few weeks, especially near John Young Parkway.


I've always preferred the 417 south of the Beachline exit because of the lack of traffic and construction but that has all changed rapidly these past few years. The metro area really needs a lightrail going east to west from the attractions to the airport. Brightline will help but it won't be enough.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:18 pm

Scraig08 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Scraig08 wrote:

The 429 south of the Turnpike interchange needs vast improvements. The highway is in rough shape and needs to be widened to make due with the increased traffic. Orlando will always be under construction.


That section of Winter Garden has experienced some crazy growth over the past 5 years. I believe CFX is planning on widening the 429 next, but they are focusing on finishing the last 21 miles where the 417 is only 2 lanes in each direction south of SR-528/Beachline Expressway first before doing the Western Beltway. Using the south exit out of MCO to get to the Disney area was always a peaceful drive, but they have been really amping up the construction on 417 in the past few weeks, especially near John Young Parkway.


I've always preferred the 417 south of the Beachline exit because of the lack of traffic and construction but that has all changed rapidly these past few years. The metro area really needs a lightrail going east to west from the attractions to the airport. Brightline will help but it won't be enough.
We have been and always will be a drive area. Orlando is much like Detroit, locals continue to prefer driving, all bright line will help with is some tourists who are familiar with mass transit.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:44 pm

AC4500 wrote:
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I'm wondering what 2022 will look like for MCO. Summer vacation is a right around the corner and Orlando is packed with tourists and will stay busy for the rest of the year since it's Magic Kingdom's 50th. Do any of y'all have predictions for Fall 2021 and beyond?


Here's what i think MCO could see:
DAL- SFO/BNA/AUS
UAL- JFK /MKE/DCA
B6 - MINT to LAX and flights to LAS/SAN
WN - PDX

Does WN have any transcon flights out of MCO, aside from LAS and PHX?


Yes, they do (at least on a seasonal basis, and some might not be running during COVID). These include SJC, OAK, SLC (a new Saturday-only add), and SMF. They might also have SAN, I'm not sure.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 5:03 pm

Here is a synopsis of DL and their partners operation at MCO and how MCO will be critical to the network as we see a shift to a leisure dominant way of travel.

DL on Friday in May 2019:
BOS 3x daily (319)
JFK 5x daily (320, 321)
LGA 6x daily (321)
RDU 3x daily (717, CR9)
ATL 22x daily (739, 321, 757)
CVG 3x daily (738)
IND 1x daily (717)
DTW 6x daily (757, 753)
MSP 4x daily (757)
CUN 1x daily (739)
SLC 3x daily (739)
LAX 3x daily (739, 757, 753)
SEA 2x daily (739, 757)
AMS 1x daily (76W)
*MEX 2x (738)
*LGW 2x (744)
*MAN 2x (744)
Total DL departures: 63
*Total departures: 69

DL on a Friday in May 2021:
BOS 3x (320, 739)
JFK 5x (738, 320, 739)
LGA 5x (738, 320)
RDU 3x (319)
ATL 13x (739, 757, 753)
CVG 2x (738)
DTW 8x (739, 321, 757, 753)
MSP 7x (739, 321, 757)
SLC 4x (739, 753)
LAX 4x (739)
SEA 2x (739)
*MEX 1x (738)
*LHR 2x (789, 332)
*MAN 1x (332)
Total DL departures: 56
*Total departures: 60

Obviously MCO is down but recovery comes nicely. I suspect that by the fall DL will add AUS (which is a good 220 candidate) and re-introduce CUN. AMS is questionable but if it returns it would probably be in 2022 as will BFS & GLA. Not to mention, LATAM will be in the mix and likely work on the ground will be contracted to DL.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 12:58 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Here is a synopsis of DL and their partners operation at MCO and how MCO will be critical to the network as we see a shift to a leisure dominant way of travel.

DL on Friday in May 2019:
BOS 3x daily (319)
JFK 5x daily (320, 321)
LGA 6x daily (321)
RDU 3x daily (717, CR9)
ATL 22x daily (739, 321, 757)
CVG 3x daily (738)
IND 1x daily (717)
DTW 6x daily (757, 753)
MSP 4x daily (757)
CUN 1x daily (739)
SLC 3x daily (739)
LAX 3x daily (739, 757, 753)
SEA 2x daily (739, 757)
AMS 1x daily (76W)
*MEX 2x (738)
*LGW 2x (744)
*MAN 2x (744)
Total DL departures: 63
*Total departures: 69

DL on a Friday in May 2021:
BOS 3x (320, 739)
JFK 5x (738, 320, 739)
LGA 5x (738, 320)
RDU 3x (319)
ATL 13x (739, 757, 753)
CVG 2x (738)
DTW 8x (739, 321, 757, 753)
MSP 7x (739, 321, 757)
SLC 4x (739, 753)
LAX 4x (739)
SEA 2x (739)
*MEX 1x (738)
*LHR 2x (789, 332)
*MAN 1x (332)
Total DL departures: 56
*Total departures: 60

Obviously MCO is down but recovery comes nicely. I suspect that by the fall DL will add AUS (which is a good 220 candidate) and re-introduce CUN. AMS is questionable but if it returns it would probably be in 2022 as will BFS & GLA. Not to mention, LATAM will be in the mix and likely work on the ground will be contracted to DL.


Transcon has really grown at MCO. I'm sure we'll see more flights return this summer and the fall to get prepped for a normal holiday celebrations at the theme parks
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 3:58 am

Jerseyguy wrote:
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flymco753 wrote:
Agreed for 2 reasons, first being Allegiant, the second being Frontier and Spirit all having very strong presences at SFB & MCO.


I think there might be a better chance of seeing Breeze at DAB. The airport authority at DAB is desperate for new, low-cost service and would be willing to pay incentives to an airline like Breeze. There is a decent catchment area for DAB that includes Daytona Beach, Ormond Beach, New Smyrna Beach, Palm Coast, DeLand, Orange City and Deltona. With the improvements to I-95 & I-4 in that area, it is a pretty easy drive to DAB from all of those cities.

As for SFB, I think Allegiant has too much pull with the airport authority to allow a direct competitor into one of their major focus cities.


It would be nice to have a west side alternate for Orlando, but I don't think with the pandemic, I don't think Lakeland (LAL) is still looking for commerical service, might be possible with the reduction of traffic between LAL and WDW. Could also perhaps be a Tampa alternate as G4 is big at PIE and may not be willing to let Breeze set up there, though perhaps SRQ is an alternate

LAL has been looking for service since 2012. The demand is there. The population is there but the proximity to MCO/TPA makes for fierce competition.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 4:10 am

HeartofFlorida wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:

I think there might be a better chance of seeing Breeze at DAB. The airport authority at DAB is desperate for new, low-cost service and would be willing to pay incentives to an airline like Breeze. There is a decent catchment area for DAB that includes Daytona Beach, Ormond Beach, New Smyrna Beach, Palm Coast, DeLand, Orange City and Deltona. With the improvements to I-95 & I-4 in that area, it is a pretty easy drive to DAB from all of those cities.

As for SFB, I think Allegiant has too much pull with the airport authority to allow a direct competitor into one of their major focus cities.


It would be nice to have a west side alternate for Orlando, but I don't think with the pandemic, I don't think Lakeland (LAL) is still looking for commerical service, might be possible with the reduction of traffic between LAL and WDW. Could also perhaps be a Tampa alternate as G4 is big at PIE and may not be willing to let Breeze set up there, though perhaps SRQ is an alternate


LAL has been looking for service since 2012. The demand is there. The population is there but the proximity to MCO/TPA makes for fierce competition.


I think G4 would be a good fit at LAL. They don’t serve TPA or MCO (instead it’s PIE or SFB which are much further away from LAL than TPA or MCO) and they could get local Lakeland/Polk County traffic in addition to those trying to get to Eastern Hillsborough County or portions of SW Orlando (like Davenport/Champions Gate/Four Corners/Poinciana) who don’t want to commute across Tampa or Orlando traffic to get to PIE or SFB.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 4:16 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
HeartofFlorida wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:

It would be nice to have a west side alternate for Orlando, but I don't think with the pandemic, I don't think Lakeland (LAL) is still looking for commerical service, might be possible with the reduction of traffic between LAL and WDW. Could also perhaps be a Tampa alternate as G4 is big at PIE and may not be willing to let Breeze set up there, though perhaps SRQ is an alternate


LAL has been looking for service since 2012. The demand is there. The population is there but the proximity to MCO/TPA makes for fierce competition.


I think G4 would be a good fit at LAL. They don’t serve TPA or MCO (instead it’s PIE or SFB which are much further away from LAL than TPA or MCO) and they could get local Lakeland/Polk County traffic in addition to those trying to get to Eastern Hillsborough County or portions of SW Orlando (like Davenport/Champions Gate/Four Corners/Poinciana) who don’t want to commute across Tampa and Orlando traffic to get to PIE or SFB.

That’s actually a great idea seeing as how LAL has nothing. Nothing is the wrong word. LAL has everything except dedicated commercial passenger service. Also, the chances of getting a carrier already established at TPA/MCO wouldn’t generate enough money to justify a move to Lakeland.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 6:49 pm

Delta and LATAM's joint-venture was approved in Colombia. It seems like DL has been much quicker to recover MCO compared to MIA, so I wonder if LATAM will add MCO-BOG and feed some traffic from DL.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 7:43 pm

I thought light rail was in the plan from the new MCO transportation hub to disney property.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 9:40 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
I thought light rail was in the plan from the new MCO transportation hub to disney property.


Brightline is supposed to add an extension to Disney and possibly Tampa, but there is debate over which direction to head from MCO...along 528 or 417. There should be a resolution in the next couple months.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 10:41 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
I thought light rail was in the plan from the new MCO transportation hub to disney property.


I could be wrong, but i believe that is the plan, then to continue onto TPA.
 
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 11:17 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Delta and LATAM's joint-venture was approved in Colombia. It seems like DL has been much quicker to recover MCO compared to MIA, so I wonder if LATAM will add MCO-BOG and feed some traffic from DL.


I would say they first need to start (again) BOG-MIA-BOG, which they keep cancelling.

Btw, I don't know if it was posted here, but Viva is starting MDE-MCO in June and Avianca today had requested permission to fly MDE-MCO.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 12:35 pm

nickpo wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Delta and LATAM's joint-venture was approved in Colombia. It seems like DL has been much quicker to recover MCO compared to MIA, so I wonder if LATAM will add MCO-BOG and feed some traffic from DL.


I would say they first need to start (again) BOG-MIA-BOG, which they keep cancelling.

Btw, I don't know if it was posted here, but Viva is starting MDE-MCO in June and Avianca today had requested permission to fly MDE-MCO.
Agreed about MIA-BOG first, at least that makes the most sense in the he immediate term.

Is anybody willing to bet that MCO will be the O&D destination that they announce first?
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