jgcotter wrote:

freakyrat wrote:

nkops wrote:

228NV (Visit Florida livery) may be next.. aircraft has no engines on it currently
227NV still has everything attached so may just be in storage for the time being

I remember when N228NV had some tech problems at SBN and mechanics had to come up from Indy to fix it. It was also the jet that had some hydraulic issues in Florida. Every airline has a pesky jet that seems to be labeled a "Hangar Queen". I remember at ASA it was the Texas Bluebonnet Jet. Some around Allegiant claim this airplane is. N226NV, N227NV, N228NV and N229NV are the oldest aircraft in G4's fleet at over 23 yrs old. so maybe these will end up being scrapped.

The Aircraft Fleet Plan in the Earnings Call shows them drawing down 7 x 177-seat A320s this year, (26 to 19) so retiring those four, and three others, makes sense.

alohashirts wrote:

I think it’ll be interesting to see what G4 has I store for LAX. I can’t think of too many other markets they could enter from other than ABQ, SGU, and maybe some Midwest locations.

flyPIT wrote:

What is it about Allegiant's website that makes it blocked in multiple countries for several years now using different web browsers?

Some of us overseas might like to book a ticket for when we return.

jjbiv wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

What is it about Allegiant's website that makes it blocked in multiple countries for several years now using different web browsers?

Some of us overseas might like to book a ticket for when we return.

Use a US-based VPN connection to work around this. Southwest does something similar. It's likely done to try to limit fraudulent credit card bookings. I imagine foreign point of sale is a tiny part of Allegiant's potential customer base, especially outside of Canada and Mexico.

CIDFlyer wrote:

Any rumors of some new routes coming? XWA Williston ND is having a press conference Tuesday apparently to announce something new. Allegiant likes to announce new routes on Tuesdays so kind of curious

CIDFlyer wrote:

Any rumors of some new routes coming? XWA Williston ND is having a press conference Tuesday apparently to announce something new. Allegiant likes to announce new routes on Tuesdays so kind of curious

alohashirts wrote:

CIDFlyer wrote:

Any rumors of some new routes coming? XWA Williston ND is having a press conference Tuesday apparently to announce something new. Allegiant likes to announce new routes on Tuesdays so kind of curious

I’m hearing PVU-OAK will be announced soon.

flyoregon wrote:

alohashirts wrote:

CIDFlyer wrote:

Any rumors of some new routes coming? XWA Williston ND is having a press conference Tuesday apparently to announce something new. Allegiant likes to announce new routes on Tuesdays so kind of curious

I’m hearing PVU-OAK will be announced soon.

PVU-PDX too ??

lightsaber wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

freakyrat wrote:

I remember when N228NV had some tech problems at SBN and mechanics had to come up from Indy to fix it. It was also the jet that had some hydraulic issues in Florida. Every airline has a pesky jet that seems to be labeled a "Hangar Queen". I remember at ASA it was the Texas Bluebonnet Jet. Some around Allegiant claim this airplane is. N226NV, N227NV, N228NV and N229NV are the oldest aircraft in G4's fleet at over 23 yrs old. so maybe these will end up being scrapped.

The Aircraft Fleet Plan in the Earnings Call shows them drawing down 7 x 177-seat A320s this year, (26 to 19) so retiring those four, and three others, makes sense.

The transcript is available: https://seekingalpha.com/article/442448 ... transcript

We expect to induct 5 aircraft during the quarter to bring our total in-service fleet count to 105 by June's end, an increase of 19 aircraft compared to June of 2019. These additional aircraft are already being put to work, as capacity during the second quarter is expected to be up around 4% year-over-2 year. It is also notable second quarter daily bookings haven't skipped a beat. April continued to roar with average daily bookings around 6.5 million per day, which is 8% higher than April of 2019.
...
During the first quarter, we acquired 3 aircraft at an average all-in price of $16.5 million per tail. These aircraft were paid for with cash; and remain unencumbered, which brings our current unencumbered aircraft count to 29. In the used A320 market, our fleet team is in no short supply of deals coming across their desks at prices that reflect a 30% discount on average to pre-pandemic levels. Based on current commitments, we expect to end the year with 108 aircraft, which supports our ability to increase capacity in the back half of '21 by as much as 20% as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work.

If you go into the details of the conference call, it looks like fleet retirement will be used as a governor on demand. If demand drops, they retire more aircraft, if demand remains strong, they delay retirement (I assume put through a heavy maintenance) and keep flying. Now that is just my opinion on the call, but it seems as if Allegiant is well placed for any economy.

That purchase price for younger A320s is brutally cheap. They have no shortage of growth opportunities on the aircraft side for a few years. It is now managing risk (how many aircraft to buy and how much staff to hire).

Lightsaber

braniff2hav wrote:

I’m in shock, LAx ~> SHV starts 7/2 !

dfwjim1 wrote:

braniff2hav wrote:

I’m in shock, LAx ~> SHV starts 7/2 !

Who knows...it might work. I was shock when G4 started LAS to SHV a number of years ago.

lightsaber wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

freakyrat wrote:

I remember when N228NV had some tech problems at SBN and mechanics had to come up from Indy to fix it. It was also the jet that had some hydraulic issues in Florida. Every airline has a pesky jet that seems to be labeled a "Hangar Queen". I remember at ASA it was the Texas Bluebonnet Jet. Some around Allegiant claim this airplane is. N226NV, N227NV, N228NV and N229NV are the oldest aircraft in G4's fleet at over 23 yrs old. so maybe these will end up being scrapped.

The Aircraft Fleet Plan in the Earnings Call shows them drawing down 7 x 177-seat A320s this year, (26 to 19) so retiring those four, and three others, makes sense.

The transcript is available: https://seekingalpha.com/article/442448 ... transcript

We expect to induct 5 aircraft during the quarter to bring our total in-service fleet count to 105 by June's end, an increase of 19 aircraft compared to June of 2019. These additional aircraft are already being put to work, as capacity during the second quarter is expected to be up around 4% year-over-2 year. It is also notable second quarter daily bookings haven't skipped a beat. April continued to roar with average daily bookings around 6.5 million per day, which is 8% higher than April of 2019.
...
During the first quarter, we acquired 3 aircraft at an average all-in price of $16.5 million per tail. These aircraft were paid for with cash; and remain unencumbered, which brings our current unencumbered aircraft count to 29. In the used A320 market, our fleet team is in no short supply of deals coming across their desks at prices that reflect a 30% discount on average to pre-pandemic levels. Based on current commitments, we expect to end the year with 108 aircraft, which supports our ability to increase capacity in the back half of '21 by as much as 20% as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work.

If you go into the details of the conference call, it looks like fleet retirement will be used as a governor on demand. If demand drops, they retire more aircraft, if demand remains strong, they delay retirement (I assume put through a heavy maintenance) and keep flying. Now that is just my opinion on the call, but it seems as if Allegiant is well placed for any economy.

That purchase price for younger A320s is brutally cheap. They have no shortage of growth opportunities on the aircraft side for a few years. It is now managing risk (how many aircraft to buy and how much staff to hire).

Lightsaber

airzona11 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

The Aircraft Fleet Plan in the Earnings Call shows them drawing down 7 x 177-seat A320s this year, (26 to 19) so retiring those four, and three others, makes sense.

The transcript is available: https://seekingalpha.com/article/442448 ... transcript

We expect to induct 5 aircraft during the quarter to bring our total in-service fleet count to 105 by June's end, an increase of 19 aircraft compared to June of 2019. These additional aircraft are already being put to work, as capacity during the second quarter is expected to be up around 4% year-over-2 year. It is also notable second quarter daily bookings haven't skipped a beat. April continued to roar with average daily bookings around 6.5 million per day, which is 8% higher than April of 2019.
...
During the first quarter, we acquired 3 aircraft at an average all-in price of $16.5 million per tail. These aircraft were paid for with cash; and remain unencumbered, which brings our current unencumbered aircraft count to 29. In the used A320 market, our fleet team is in no short supply of deals coming across their desks at prices that reflect a 30% discount on average to pre-pandemic levels. Based on current commitments, we expect to end the year with 108 aircraft, which supports our ability to increase capacity in the back half of '21 by as much as 20% as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work.

If you go into the details of the conference call, it looks like fleet retirement will be used as a governor on demand. If demand drops, they retire more aircraft, if demand remains strong, they delay retirement (I assume put through a heavy maintenance) and keep flying. Now that is just my opinion on the call, but it seems as if Allegiant is well placed for any economy.

That purchase price for younger A320s is brutally cheap. They have no shortage of growth opportunities on the aircraft side for a few years. It is now managing risk (how many aircraft to buy and how much staff to hire).

Lightsaber

Great details and quite frankly, a well run operation. Crazy to think allegiant has that man planes.

Love seeing this alt-market / alt-airport models grow.

alohashirts wrote:

I think G4 could turn SGU into a “destination “. Something like SGU-OAK/PDX/BOI/SAN/GEG might work for starters. St. George is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation and it’s the fast growing area in Utah. There’s tons of golfing, there are resorts and time shares, and Zion is nearby and Bryce isn’t too far.

B747forever wrote:

What happened to G4 338 (CID-LAX) on 6/19 operated by N271NV?

Flight was on final approach when it was aborted and circled around for about 45-50min before diverting to ONT. Still on the ground at ONT.

jjbiv wrote:

B747forever wrote:

What happened to G4 338 (CID-LAX) on 6/19 operated by N271NV?

Flight was on final approach when it was aborted and circled around for about 45-50min before diverting to ONT. Still on the ground at ONT.

Flap/slat issue.

jgcotter wrote:

Allegiant took possession of A320 N202NV, the former Peach JA807P, on 5/2 at XSP.

jgcotter wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

Allegiant took possession of A320 N202NV, the former Peach JA807P, on 5/2 at XSP.

A320 N202NV ferried XSP-GUM-MAJ-HNL-TUS on 19/20 June.

lightsaber wrote:

airzona11 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

The transcript is available: https://seekingalpha.com/article/442448 ... transcript

We expect to induct 5 aircraft during the quarter to bring our total in-service fleet count to 105 by June's end, an increase of 19 aircraft compared to June of 2019. These additional aircraft are already being put to work, as capacity during the second quarter is expected to be up around 4% year-over-2 year. It is also notable second quarter daily bookings haven't skipped a beat. April continued to roar with average daily bookings around 6.5 million per day, which is 8% higher than April of 2019.
...
During the first quarter, we acquired 3 aircraft at an average all-in price of $16.5 million per tail. These aircraft were paid for with cash; and remain unencumbered, which brings our current unencumbered aircraft count to 29. In the used A320 market, our fleet team is in no short supply of deals coming across their desks at prices that reflect a 30% discount on average to pre-pandemic levels. Based on current commitments, we expect to end the year with 108 aircraft, which supports our ability to increase capacity in the back half of '21 by as much as 20% as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work.

If you go into the details of the conference call, it looks like fleet retirement will be used as a governor on demand. If demand drops, they retire more aircraft, if demand remains strong, they delay retirement (I assume put through a heavy maintenance) and keep flying. Now that is just my opinion on the call, but it seems as if Allegiant is well placed for any economy.

That purchase price for younger A320s is brutally cheap. They have no shortage of growth opportunities on the aircraft side for a few years. It is now managing risk (how many aircraft to buy and how much staff to hire).

Lightsaber

Great details and quite frankly, a well run operation. Crazy to think allegiant has that man planes.

Love seeing this alt-market / alt-airport models grow.

A very well run opperation. As this appears to be a liesure market, Allegiant is well placed. "as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work." is quite the statement.

I posted before how they are cash flow positive. With such cheap aircraft, they cannot lose.

Lightsaber

william wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

airzona11 wrote:

Great details and quite frankly, a well run operation. Crazy to think allegiant has that man planes.

Love seeing this alt-market / alt-airport models grow.

A very well run opperation. As this appears to be a liesure market, Allegiant is well placed. "as Drew and his team see no shortage in opportunities to put aircraft to work." is quite the statement.

I posted before how they are cash flow positive. With such cheap aircraft, they cannot lose.

Lightsaber

I guess the low cycle flying makes the used aircraft buying work. While some majors buy used, not to the extent Allegiant does as a percentage of the fleet. Then again, the discounts majors get on new aircraft make it worth while.

MavyWavyATR wrote:

I know this is probably a long shot, but would G4 have any use potentially for A321's or even some A318's (if there's any available at this point)? The A321 could let them add more capacity on their busiest and/or profitable routes while the A318 could let them potentially tap into markets that are too small (in terms of traffic) for the A319.

nws2002 wrote:

MavyWavyATR wrote:

I know this is probably a long shot, but would G4 have any use potentially for A321's or even some A318's (if there's any available at this point)? The A321 could let them add more capacity on their busiest and/or profitable routes while the A318 could let them potentially tap into markets that are too small (in terms of traffic) for the A319.

Not sure an A318 would be worth it. They would probably rather reduce the schedule or reduce the fare to fill the seats in an A319 or A320. The trip cost isn't that much different.

maps4ltd wrote:

Well it looks like the CKB-MDW experiment was dropped fairly quickly.

PITFlyer330 wrote:

Its that time again! New allegiant flights.

MSP to Asheville, LAX, punta gorda, west Palm beach https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 03687?s=20

Melbourne to PIT (thank you Allegiant!, Concord, and nashville https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 81571?s=20

New austin routes to https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 35232?s=20

DeltaRules wrote:

PITFlyer330 wrote:

Its that time again! New allegiant flights.

MSP to Asheville, LAX, punta gorda, west Palm beach https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 03687?s=20

Melbourne to PIT (thank you Allegiant!, Concord, and nashville https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 81571?s=20

New austin routes to https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 35232?s=20

Wasn't there talk of PIT-DAB at one point? I guess if they're willing to open MLB with SFB nearby, maybe DAB isn't out of the question after all.

KMCOFlyer wrote:

I always guessed they’d go into LAL before entering any other secondary FL market. It seems like a big hole as SFB and PIE from Lakeland requires driving across Orlando or Tampa which can both be a pain especially during rush hour. I wonder what pilot base will cover MLB, will it be tied into SFB?

Wneast wrote:

BNA-PSP and SNA-EUG.. BNA-PSP is neat MDW-LAS and BWI oop WN

FlyPNS1 wrote:

Looks like IAD-JAX and IAD-SRQ.

Interesting to see if G4 can make IAD work. Historically no LCC has been able to make it work well….f9 fizzled, B6 left and WN has only a token presence.

I think they made good choices as these are two routes to Florida that UA has neglected from IAD.