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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:37 pm

GSPSPOT wrote:
For me (and hopefully many more flyers) there are LCCs and ULCCs, and then there's NK. The Big Front Seat makes the difference for me. Good planning and judicious use of add-ons makes that a no-brainer for flyers like me.


I also put SY in a different category than F9/G4 types. Free non alcoholic drinks, streaming movies. I agree with your Big seat (and soon to be wifi) comment about NK. It’s a perk that would get me on them over F9/G4.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:52 pm

tphuang wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

B6 and AA formed a partnership or whatever you want to call it. That is what happened. They aren't going to compete on a route like STL/MCI/MKE-BOS. So they decided AA would get STL and B6 would get the other two.

But you have to wonder why that happened after B6 told their crew STL was coming soon. B6 hubs are also in FLL and MCO and I think that LAX is a focus city for them, all of which were places the NK began from STL


B6 is currently only focused on connecting dots to NYC and to a smaller degree Boston. As part of NEA, they kind of divided up which markets AA will take and which markets B6 will take. Frankly, B6 does not have the resources to add all those markets. It has nothing to do with what NK adds. B6 will happily watch NK battle out WN in these markets.

Also add to that the fact that B6 isn’t taking in A320NEOs (at all) and are not receiving new aircraft at the rate that NK, or to a lesser extent, F9 has. NK is being aggressive against WN because they have the resources to take a fight to them in some smaller/medium markets like MKE. I’m also curious to see how things go for NK at STL.

As for B6 not adding STL, I don’t think there’s much to read into there. As has been mentioned before, AA/B6 don’t really want to compete on middle-of-the-country markets from NYC/BOS and are coordinating on routes/schedules accordingly. However, I do think we’ll see STL/IND/CMH being served by B6 eventually.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:48 am

Well, I suppose this permanently grounds any efforts to reboot Midwest Express, doesn't it?

Maybe Spirit can expand their buy-on-board offerings out of MKE to include chocolate chip cookies!

:bouncy: :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:36 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
Well, I suppose this permanently grounds any efforts to reboot Midwest Express, doesn't it?

Maybe Spirit can expand their buy-on-board offerings out of MKE to include chocolate chip cookies!

:bouncy: :stirthepot:


Actually, last I heard (and this was back in March) was that they're still planning to re-launch Midwest, and some investors are showing interest. I think it's actually gonna be a race to see who gets there first. MidEx or JetBlue.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:07 pm

rj777 wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
Well, I suppose this permanently grounds any efforts to reboot Midwest Express, doesn't it?

Maybe Spirit can expand their buy-on-board offerings out of MKE to include chocolate chip cookies!

:bouncy: :stirthepot:


Actually, last I heard (and this was back in March) was that they're still planning to re-launch Midwest, and some investors are showing interest. I think it's actually gonna be a race to see who gets there first. MidEx or JetBlue.



I would not plan on a rebirth. If there was one, it could never be the same as the original.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:09 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Should be interesting to see if MKE is a large enough market to support 3-4 carriers on the same route.


Florida/Arizona and Wisconsin go together like eggs and bacon. 90% of the snowbirds spend the winter in either Florida or Arizona. And the vast majority of families vacation in those two-states. Before NK and SY announced we could actually use more service to those two states, especially Florida. WN just does not have the resources right now to have multiple flights a day out of MKE to MCO, TPA, FLL, MIA and RSW. And F9 does not seem all that interested in MKE.

That's the airline out of MKE I am the most interested in with there future here. WN will be fine and will always be the dominate carrier here. But I feel like NK could push F9 out if F9 does not step-up there game here.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:01 pm

Arguably we are currently in a massive strategic opportunity right now to throw capacity in ASAP. Once volume gets back to 2019 level, and household stimulus runs out, the opportunity will pass. ULCC may be trying to set a new normal vs legacies. Unclear if it will work. But an increased leisure vs business quotient, and more remote work opportunity across small & midsize cities, suggests that a permanent capacity shift could be sustained.

In other words, maybe more leisure p2p out of MKE (which is a big midsize metro) is here to stay, at the expense of business ORD capacity. And similar examples around the country.
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:03 pm

UWPAviation wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
And F9 does not seem all that interested in MKE.

That's the airline out of MKE I am the most interested in with there future here. WN will be fine and will always be the dominate carrier here. But I feel like NK could push F9 out if F9 does not step-up there game here.


To be honest, F9 probably never intended to keep all the flights Midwest had going out of Milwaukee, recession or no recession. DL, WN, NK, B6, & Sun Country are going to build up MKE like crazy. The main objective for MKE is to keep people who live in SE Wisconsin from going down to Chicago.
 
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Re: Spirit launches MKE today and already announces new routes

Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:48 pm

rj777 wrote:
UWPAviation wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
And F9 does not seem all that interested in MKE.

That's the airline out of MKE I am the most interested in with there future here. WN will be fine and will always be the dominate carrier here. But I feel like NK could push F9 out if F9 does not step-up there game here.


To be honest, F9 probably never intended to keep all the flights Midwest had going out of Milwaukee, recession or no recession. DL, WN, NK, B6, & Sun Country are going to build up MKE like crazy. The main objective for MKE is to keep people who live in SE Wisconsin from going down to Chicago.


F9 added extra flights out of STL on routes NK added after they announced. Could happen for MKE also
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:54 pm

Spirit Airlines issued a warrant to the US Treasury to purchase 80,539 shares of the company’s common stock as part of PSP3 program. The Warrant may be exercised at an exercise price of US$36.45 at any time prior to the fifth anniversary of its issuance.

SEC filings
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... b1e30.html
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... 728a0.html
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:23 pm

dopplerd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
What fraction of Spirit's fleet is flying? I'm curious how much they rebounded.

Lightsaber


Planespotters.net is showing 150 out of 161 flying now. I don't know the exact pre-pandemic fleet size but, if 150 is accurate, i think that is more planes than Spirit has ever flown in its history.


Sounds about right. All 320s and 321s are flying. 11 or so 319s still parked seems correct. I believe they are all to be back on line by the end of the year.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:30 pm

LASVegan wrote:
dopplerd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
What fraction of Spirit's fleet is flying? I'm curious how much they rebounded.

Lightsaber


Planespotters.net is showing 150 out of 161 flying now. I don't know the exact pre-pandemic fleet size but, if 150 is accurate, i think that is more planes than Spirit has ever flown in its history.


Sounds about right. All 320s and 321s are flying. 11 or so 319s still parked seems correct. I believe they are all to be back on line by the end of the year.

Thank you. Fascinating. This is definitely a strong market to explore.

Lightsaber
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:09 pm

dopplerd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
What fraction of Spirit's fleet is flying? I'm curious how much they rebounded.

Lightsaber


Planespotters.net is showing 150 out of 161 flying now. I don't know the exact pre-pandemic fleet size but, if 150 is accurate, i think that is more planes than Spirit has ever flown in its history.


The fleet size has been 164 since today and, imposingly, until the end of 2023, namely 221!

https://ir.spirit.com/resources/fleet-plan/default.aspx
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:53 pm

Looking at flightradar.com data Spirit no longer has any planes in desert storage. In the past weeks the stored planes have flown to LCQ or DFW.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:22 am

Miami flights are bookable. Mainly A320s, some A319s mixed in and one A321 - to Cleveland.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:42 am

Alright, I took a deep dive into the current Spirit fleet using planespotters.net and flightradar24.com data.

Since beginning of the pandemic in the US (March 2020) Spirit took delivery of 13 new airplanes, all A320 NEOs.

As of 1 July 2021 the Spirit fleet is:
A319 CEO: 31 airplanes, 23 active
A320 CEO: 64 airplanes, 62 active
A320 NEO: 39 airplanes, 37 active
A321 CEO: 30 airplanes, 28 active
Total: 164 airplanes, 150 active

Inactive frames:
Tail # ... Loc ... Date, last flight
A319 (all recently out of storage)
N505NK ... LCQ ... 27-May-2021
N506NK ... LCQ ... 10-Jun-2021
N508NK ... LCQ ... 8-Jun-2021
N510NK ... DFW ... 15-Jun-2021
N515NK ... LCQ ... 11-Jun-2021
N516NK ... DFW ... 22-Jun-2021
N517NK ... DFW ... 29-Jun-2021
N526NK ... LCQ ... 3-Jun-2021

A320 CEO (unknown reason)
N604NK ... MLB ... 25-Jun-2021
N692NK ... MLB ... 29-Jun-2021

A320 NEO (All recent deliveries)
N940NK ... DTW ... 1-Jul-2021
N941NK ... DTW ... 30-Jun-2021

A321 CEO
N657NK ... BQN ... 20-Jun-2021 (Heavy check?)
N683NK ... FLL ... 17-Mar-2021 (Unknown reason)
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:14 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
That's taking the fight to WN. Every single one of those routes appears as a non-stop on the WN route map today.

Did the same in STL
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:57 am

dopplerd wrote:
Alright, I took a deep dive into the current Spirit fleet using planespotters.net and flightradar24.com data.

Since beginning of the pandemic in the US (March 2020) Spirit took delivery of 13 new airplanes, all A320 NEOs.

As of 1 July 2021 the Spirit fleet is:
A319 CEO: 31 airplanes, 23 active
A320 CEO: 64 airplanes, 62 active
A320 NEO: 39 airplanes, 37 active
A321 CEO: 30 airplanes, 28 active
Total: 164 airplanes, 150 active

Inactive frames:
Tail # ... Loc ... Date, last flight
A319 (all recently out of storage)
N505NK ... LCQ ... 27-May-2021
N506NK ... LCQ ... 10-Jun-2021
N508NK ... LCQ ... 8-Jun-2021
N510NK ... DFW ... 15-Jun-2021
N515NK ... LCQ ... 11-Jun-2021
N516NK ... DFW ... 22-Jun-2021
N517NK ... DFW ... 29-Jun-2021
N526NK ... LCQ ... 3-Jun-2021

A320 CEO (unknown reason)
N604NK ... MLB ... 25-Jun-2021
N692NK ... MLB ... 29-Jun-2021

A320 NEO (All recent deliveries)
N940NK ... DTW ... 1-Jul-2021
N941NK ... DTW ... 30-Jun-2021

A321 CEO
N657NK ... BQN ... 20-Jun-2021 (Heavy check?)
N683NK ... FLL ... 17-Mar-2021 (Unknown reason)




WIFI install is done in MLB, and 683 in FLL is undergoing repairs from ground crew damage
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:35 pm

PilotCR wrote:
dopplerd wrote:
Alright, I took a deep dive into the current Spirit fleet using planespotters.net and flightradar24.com data.

Since beginning of the pandemic in the US (March 2020) Spirit took delivery of 13 new airplanes, all A320 NEOs.

As of 1 July 2021 the Spirit fleet is:
A319 CEO: 31 airplanes, 23 active
A320 CEO: 64 airplanes, 62 active
A320 NEO: 39 airplanes, 37 active
A321 CEO: 30 airplanes, 28 active
Total: 164 airplanes, 150 active

Inactive frames:
Tail # ... Loc ... Date, last flight
A319 (all recently out of storage)
N505NK ... LCQ ... 27-May-2021
N506NK ... LCQ ... 10-Jun-2021
N508NK ... LCQ ... 8-Jun-2021
N510NK ... DFW ... 15-Jun-2021
N515NK ... LCQ ... 11-Jun-2021
N516NK ... DFW ... 22-Jun-2021
N517NK ... DFW ... 29-Jun-2021
N526NK ... LCQ ... 3-Jun-2021

A320 CEO (unknown reason)
N604NK ... MLB ... 25-Jun-2021
N692NK ... MLB ... 29-Jun-2021

A320 NEO (All recent deliveries)
N940NK ... DTW ... 1-Jul-2021
N941NK ... DTW ... 30-Jun-2021

A321 CEO
N657NK ... BQN ... 20-Jun-2021 (Heavy check?)
N683NK ... FLL ... 17-Mar-2021 (Unknown reason)




WIFI install is done in MLB, and 683 in FLL is undergoing repairs from ground crew damage


I just spotted 604 at FLL with Its wifi dome installed. Looks like it ferried back here from MLB yesterday and has already made it to MCO and PHL.

Love seeing wifi spread across NK’s fleet!
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:46 am

036E5730-054F-4497-8A9F-0C3307C677FD.jpeg


Flew through MLB a few days ago. Lots of NK planes getting wifi installed!
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:56 am

Are they selling the wifi as planes get it installed? Or are they turning it on once they get to a certain amount?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:50 am

rph99 wrote:
036E5730-054F-4497-8A9F-0C3307C677FD.jpeg

Flew through MLB a few days ago. Lots of NK planes getting wifi installed!


Not sure if it’s user error, but I can’t see/click on the pic.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:46 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
That's taking the fight to WN. Every single one of those routes appears as a non-stop on the WN route map today.

If I am not mistaken, I think that the head of Spirit’s route planning is a former Southwest route planner. If so, he could have knowledge of what was working
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:41 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Are they selling the wifi as planes get it installed? Or are they turning it on once they get to a certain amount?


It’s turned on. It’s still trial pricing—1 dollar for web surfing/texting and 3 dollars for streaming
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:35 pm

Spirit is adding LAS-CLT, starting September 8th: https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... gYIAxABGAA
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:06 pm

Just being curious. Has anyone at Spirit any idea how the advanced bookings have been for MHT?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:03 pm

Just flew Spirit last month BDL-MCO round trip and experienced those new horrible seats they're putting into their planes. I have flown NK a few times before, but this was a new low even for them. These seats are as uncomfortable, thin and bare-bones as it gets. No cushioning .. they feel just like a hard seat on a commuter bus/train. No seatpocket. Weirdest thing is how they shortened the seat bottom .. and tipped the seat back just enough to try and fake you out into feeling like you have more legroom ... which doesn't work. With the slippery seat, you feel yourself sliding forward and down .. very uncomfortable. And shows how Spirit really is leading the race for the bottom as far as pax comfort. Learned my lesson .. I will avoid them any chance I get. Can't even imagine being in these seats for a trans-con or to South America .. 2.5 hours was miserable enough.

Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:11 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
That's taking the fight to WN. Every single one of those routes appears as a non-stop on the WN route map today.

If I am not mistaken, I think that the head of Spirit’s route planning is a former Southwest route planner. If so, he could have knowledge of what was working


A vast majority of Spirits new revenue management and network planning all are former WN and FL people.
A lot left WN/FL during the merger since there cheese was being moved or being right sized in the new combined airline.
When NK BOD decided it was time to revamp NK from being the brash Ryan Air of the US to a new super ULCC hybrid of WN and FL.
They hired Bob and his team who brought on a lot of people who help make FL and WN what it is today.
This New Spirit airlines is definitely going after WN with its lower cost across the board vs WN.
WN best move would be to Buy NK and eliminate the growing threat.

Enjoy or Don’t
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:44 pm

F27500 wrote:
Just flew Spirit last month BDL-MCO round trip and experienced those new horrible seats they're putting into their planes. I have flown NK a few times before, but this was a new low even for them. These seats are as uncomfortable, thin and bare-bones as it gets. No cushioning .. they feel just like a hard seat on a commuter bus/train. No seatpocket. Weirdest thing is how they shortened the seat bottom .. and tipped the seat back just enough to try and fake you out into feeling like you have more legroom ... which doesn't work. With the slippery seat, you feel yourself sliding forward and down .. very uncomfortable. And shows how Spirit really is leading the race for the bottom as far as pax comfort. Learned my lesson .. I will avoid them any chance I get. Can't even imagine being in these seats for a trans-con or to South America .. 2.5 hours was miserable enough.

Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).

I'm flying NK for the very first time this Saturday on PDX-DEN (with a 1 hour layover/connection in LAS). Thanks for the heads up on the seats. I figured they would be less than comfortable because of the 28" legroom, but what you described here does seem rather miserable. In hindsight, it was ~$120 cheaper than a nonstop PDX-DEN option. Maybe I should have just chose a nonstop option... Wish me luck, lol. :?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:15 pm

F27500 wrote:


Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).


KLM Cityhopper, Allegiant, and Hawaiian (since 2015), among others. Acro Superlight variants. https://acro.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... asheet.pdf
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:29 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
F27500 wrote:


Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).


KLM Cityhopper, Allegiant, and Hawaiian (since 2015), among others. Acro Superlight variants. https://acro.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... asheet.pdf


Wow -- horrible. KL surprises me, though CityHopper is just short regional flights. Allegiant doesnt .. as they're on about the same level as Spirit overall. As for Hawaiian, I truly hope they're only used on the inter-island fleet, as I can't begin to imagine sitting for 5,6,10 hour+ flights in these awful seats.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:32 pm

ACY-CUN and ACY-SJU added.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:11 pm

F27500 wrote:
Just flew Spirit last month BDL-MCO round trip and experienced those new horrible seats they're putting into their planes. I have flown NK a few times before, but this was a new low even for them. These seats are as uncomfortable, thin and bare-bones as it gets. No cushioning .. they feel just like a hard seat on a commuter bus/train. No seatpocket. Weirdest thing is how they shortened the seat bottom .. and tipped the seat back just enough to try and fake you out into feeling like you have more legroom ... which doesn't work. With the slippery seat, you feel yourself sliding forward and down .. very uncomfortable. And shows how Spirit really is leading the race for the bottom as far as pax comfort. Learned my lesson .. I will avoid them any chance I get. Can't even imagine being in these seats for a trans-con or to South America .. 2.5 hours was miserable enough.

Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).
That sounds like the Acro seats with the tiny tray tables. They are bare bones. The new black seats are much better and have a full sized tray table. I've noticed they are replacing the big front seats at a greater rate than the rest of the seats. Probably waiting for a heavy check to swap out the rest.

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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:48 pm

F9 has recently announced plans to serve BUF, DRO, BDL, PHX, SAN, SFO, and TPA nonstop from DFW.

If F9 is successful on DFW-BUF/BDL nonstop service, NK might be able to make nonstop routes such as DFW-GSO/RIC work with both of these routes currently lacking nonstop competition along with F9 not currently serving GSO or RIC. RIC is also one of the top remaining domestic destinations traveled to from the DFW/DAL market that currently lacks nonstop competition and nonstop LCC service from DFW/DAL.

NK was much bigger than F9 at DFW prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but F9 will be serving more destinations nonstop from DFW than NK after the recent F9 adds. However, NK has daily nonstop service from DFW to more destinations than F9 does (along with multiple daily nonstops out of DFW to a few destinations) whereas most of the F9 nonstop routes out of DFW are less than daily.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:56 pm

I'm not sure the DOJ of today will allow any mergers after airlines just got all that aid. People and Government are recognizing the damages mergers in ALL industry s has done to pricing competition.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:17 pm

F27500 wrote:
Just flew Spirit last month BDL-MCO round trip and experienced those new horrible seats they're putting into their planes. I have flown NK a few times before, but this was a new low even for them. These seats are as uncomfortable, thin and bare-bones as it gets. No cushioning .. they feel just like a hard seat on a commuter bus/train. No seatpocket. Weirdest thing is how they shortened the seat bottom .. and tipped the seat back just enough to try and fake you out into feeling like you have more legroom ... which doesn't work. With the slippery seat, you feel yourself sliding forward and down .. very uncomfortable. And shows how Spirit really is leading the race for the bottom as far as pax comfort. Learned my lesson .. I will avoid them any chance I get. Can't even imagine being in these seats for a trans-con or to South America .. 2.5 hours was miserable enough.

Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).


The black seats or the seats with the tiny silver tray table? The new black ones I thought were a big improvement over the other "new" ones.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:57 pm

tb727 wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Just flew Spirit last month BDL-MCO round trip and experienced those new horrible seats they're putting into their planes. I have flown NK a few times before, but this was a new low even for them. These seats are as uncomfortable, thin and bare-bones as it gets. No cushioning .. they feel just like a hard seat on a commuter bus/train. No seatpocket. Weirdest thing is how they shortened the seat bottom .. and tipped the seat back just enough to try and fake you out into feeling like you have more legroom ... which doesn't work. With the slippery seat, you feel yourself sliding forward and down .. very uncomfortable. And shows how Spirit really is leading the race for the bottom as far as pax comfort. Learned my lesson .. I will avoid them any chance I get. Can't even imagine being in these seats for a trans-con or to South America .. 2.5 hours was miserable enough.

Do other carriers use these same awful cheap seats ? I haven't run into them on JetBlue (and hope never to).


The black seats or the seats with the tiny silver tray table? The new black ones I thought were a big improvement over the other "new" ones.


I have a couple pics, but they make uploading them here so much of a hassle (requiring a photo hosting site, etc) ..
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:08 am

jplatts wrote:
F9 has recently announced plans to serve BUF, DRO, BDL, PHX, SAN, SFO, and TPA nonstop from DFW.

If F9 is successful on DFW-BUF/BDL nonstop service, NK might be able to make nonstop routes such as DFW-GSO/RIC work with both of these routes currently lacking nonstop competition along with F9 not currently serving GSO or RIC. RIC is also one of the top remaining domestic destinations traveled to from the DFW/DAL market that currently lacks nonstop competition and nonstop LCC service from DFW/DAL.

NK was much bigger than F9 at DFW prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but F9 will be serving more destinations nonstop from DFW than NK after the recent F9 adds. However, NK has daily nonstop service from DFW to more destinations than F9 does (along with multiple daily nonstops out of DFW to a few destinations) whereas most of the F9 nonstop routes out of DFW are less than daily.


I doubt F9 will expand much at GSO, I'd be willing to bet they stay small are target the immediate leisure market and expand more in Concord. At most LAS might be worth it.

NK I think would be more likely to expand at GSO. I'd expect MIA, LAS, TPA and/or IAH would be targets. I'm hoping for LAS and IAH honestly, just to get the coverage of western and eastern connections for NK here. NK makes a lot of sense since WN seem prime to enter back.
 
NJFlyer27
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:39 am

JetBlue reported they will move out of LGA’s MAT and into Terminal B in 2022.

Spirit is operating flights out of MAT to FLL.

With this change, what are the chances Spirit will move all operations to MAT?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:07 pm

Spirit Starting Tegucigalpa Honduras. First airline to use at Palmerola Airport.

Looks like IAH and FLL daily, and MIA 4x weekly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.click2 ... utType=amp
 
MAH4546
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:00 am

LASVegan wrote:
Spirit Starting Tegucigalpa Honduras. First airline to use at Palmerola Airport.

Looks like IAH and FLL daily, and MIA 4x weekly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.click2 ... utType=amp


That lends to another MIA route announcement coming if it's 4x a week. I can imagine maybe 3x a week MIA-CAP.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:27 pm

B747forever wrote:
B747forever wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
How did LGA-LAX do today? Did they have a ceremony or high LFs?


I will be flying LGA-LAX next week, can report back on LF.



Flew LGA-LAX today, duration (gate to gate), 6 hours including 28 minutes on the ground at LAX waiting for our gate.

Only 10 open seats, LF about 95%.


Now Spirit wants the Port Authority to relax or drop the perimeter rules so they can add more flights to the west coast.Spirit makes a good argument there's no low fare competition on trips to the west coast.The Port Authority has never budged on this matter claiming LGA would become over crowded.With the new terminals this may not be a problem there big and have lots of room.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:40 pm

twaconnie wrote:
B747forever wrote:
B747forever wrote:

I will be flying LGA-LAX next week, can report back on LF.



Flew LGA-LAX today, duration (gate to gate), 6 hours including 28 minutes on the ground at LAX waiting for our gate.

Only 10 open seats, LF about 95%.


Now Spirit wants the Port Authority to relax or drop the perimeter rules so they can add more flights to the west coast.Spirit makes a good argument there's no low fare competition on trips to the west coast.The Port Authority has never budged on this matter claiming LGA would become over crowded.With the new terminals this may not be a problem there big and have lots of room.


Everyone is getting tired of their non stop complaining. They have no clout here in NY. They are free to launch flights to west coast from ewr if they wanted to. Nothing is stopping them.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:15 pm

twaconnie wrote:
Now Spirit wants the Port Authority to relax or drop the perimeter rules so they can add more flights to the west coast.Spirit makes a good argument there's no low fare competition on trips to the west coast.The Port Authority has never budged on this matter claiming LGA would become over crowded.With the new terminals this may not be a problem there big and have lots of room.


I had previously mentioned the possibility of NK adding Saturday-only LGA-LAS nonstop service with NK having nonstop service to LAS from some other East Cost cities.

If the LGA perimeter rules get loosened, I probably would expect DL to add LGA-SLC nonstop service and LGA-AUS/PHX added by AA and/or WN.
 
twaconnie
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:27 pm

jplatts wrote:
twaconnie wrote:
Now Spirit wants the Port Authority to relax or drop the perimeter rules so they can add more flights to the west coast.Spirit makes a good argument there's no low fare competition on trips to the west coast.The Port Authority has never budged on this matter claiming LGA would become over crowded.With the new terminals this may not be a problem there big and have lots of room.


I had previously mentioned the possibility of NK adding Saturday-only LGA-LAS nonstop service with NK having nonstop service to LAS from some other East Cost cities.

If the LGA perimeter rules get loosened, I probably would expect DL to add LGA-SLC nonstop service and LGA-AUS/PHX added by AA and/or WN.


I wonder what UA would do SFO maybe.
 
Nicknuzzii
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:33 pm

NK has no argument for the PANYNJ to drop the perimeter rule. Why not launch TCONS from EWR if they want them so bad?
 
usflyer msp
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:37 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
NK has no argument for the PANYNJ to drop the perimeter rule. Why not launch TCONS from EWR if they want them so bad?


I agree - NK is grasping at straws.
I also don't see what the new terminal has to do with the perimeter rule. It didn't change the runway capacity.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:49 pm

Just wanted to share a factual statement from the FLL airport. The airport also sent Local 10 News this statement:

“We are aware of some flight disruptions today for Spirit Airlines at FLL and our airport operations team is assisting travelers where possible. Since this is an airline matter, Spirit will need to provide more details relating to causes and # of flights impacted today but initial word from the airline is it’s not due to any pilot/crew strike action.”

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021 ... l-airport/
 
FlapOperator
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:29 pm

tphuang wrote:
Everyone is getting tired of their non stop complaining. They have no clout here in NY. They are free to launch flights to west coast from ewr if they wanted to. Nothing is stopping them.


Except for getting denied the slots to do since EWR didn't reallocate the WN slots.

The perimeter rule at LGA is entirely self imposed and benefits certain players, who in the 70s complained about market dominance.
 
tphuang
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Re: Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm

FlapOperator wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Everyone is getting tired of their non stop complaining. They have no clout here in NY. They are free to launch flights to west coast from ewr if they wanted to. Nothing is stopping them.


Except for getting denied the slots to do since EWR didn't reallocate the WN slots.

The perimeter rule at LGA is entirely self imposed and benefits certain players, who in the 70s complained about market dominance.


This keeps getting repeated, but B6 somehow managed to add a whole bunch of flights at EWR. NK themselves managed to fly more at EWR than pre-COVID.

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