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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:08 pm

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It would appear Volaris Costa Rica is not doing so well. LAX and IAD have been reduced from SAL and JFK temporarily suspended.

It's not a healthy sign.
They offered in past flights from Central America to Guadalajara and Tijuana; both no longer in service.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:54 pm

Volaris CEO Enrique Beltranena mention that they continue to certified Volaris El Salvador

https://diario.elmundo.sv/volaris-incor ... -salvador/
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:13 pm

Let’s hope that leads to a robust and competitive network across Central America. What is the benefit of having a subsidiary from SAL that the Costa Rican cannot offer?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm

Aeromar intends to start operations in Guatemala

https://dca.gob.gt/noticias-guatemala-d ... guatemala/


Apparently flights between GUA-FRS, FRS-CUN, and Tapachula-FRS.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:20 am

avi8 wrote:
Aeromar intends to start operations in Guatemala

https://dca.gob.gt/noticias-guatemala-d ... guatemala/


Apparently flights between GUA-FRS, FRS-CUN, and Tapachula-FRS.



I did mention this weeks ago. Have my doubts but hope it is true.
At this moment Aeromar does not operate flights to Cancun and Tapachula.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:40 pm

How are they getting Domestic rights FRS GUA?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:36 pm

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How are they getting Domestic rights FRS GUA?


I have no idea. Maybe they are opening a subsidiary. The airlines has not said anything, but both Government has said that they will launch routes.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:34 pm

Air Canada is not flying to Central America since some months ago.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:39 pm

Strange incident on AA DFW-SAL, June 28th 2021.
The 738 couldn't land at SAL due to metherological conditions and was diverted to LIR.
However, Liberia closed at midnight and it couldn't attend that operation, despite the fact the plane was experiencied shortage of fuel.

Press release in Spanish language: https://www.teletica.com/nacional/avion-con-poco-combustible-pidio-aterrizar-en-liberia-pero-no-le-dieron-permiso_288658
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:32 am

https://www.excelenciaspanama.com/trans ... rta-panama

TK to increase PTY & BOG to 5 weekly
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:57 am

Seems like CTM, on the border with Belize (hence why I put this in this thread) is getting North American service from AA. As is San Andres.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-air ... 00113.html
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:32 pm

British Airways Considers Abandoning London Gatwick. Interesting article that states that the recovery of the air travel industry according to BA's predictions is going to be driven by leisure instead of business oriented flights/destinations, justifying the idea to leave Gatwick completely to maintain their Heathrow slots. This is relevant to Costa Rica because in the medium to long run could mean that BA would be flying nonstop to SJO from Heathrow. This is not a confirmation of any sort but more just of a look at the bigger picture on how the industry is fighting to come back to pre-covid numbers.

To this day BA hasn't officially confirmed when they're coming back to Costa Rica, the airline asked the DGAC for an extension to keep the route suspended until November but when the time comes they could ask for another one.

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https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/07/02/bri ... gatwick-2/
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:51 pm

Air Europa from Spain was flying to Central America prior to the beginning of the Covid-19 era as UX MAD-PTY and UX MAD-SAP.
We'd hopefully expect for the resumption of their activities soon.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:52 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Air Europa from Spain was flying to Central America prior to the beginning of the Covid-19 era as UX MAD-PTY and UX MAD-SAP.
We'd hopefully expect for the resumption of their activities soon.


Hasn’t the MAD-SAP route been operating for a few months now? I thought they re-started when SAP was reopened after the hurricanes.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:45 am

skybird77 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Air Europa from Spain was flying to Central America prior to the beginning of the Covid-19 era as UX MAD-PTY and UX MAD-SAP.
We'd hopefully expect for the resumption of their activities soon.


Hasn’t the MAD-SAP route been operating for a few months now? I thought they re-started when SAP was reopened after the hurricanes.



Yes they are operating once a week. They started flying before the Hurricanes and they used LCE when SAP was unavailable because of the flooding.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:17 pm

In another forum here at A.net, it was mentioned that Delta will be operating flights between JFK and PTY, starting December 19. I checked on Delta's reservation page and it's indeed available.

Will be 4x weekly (Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday) and operated with 737-800's.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 pm

REDHL wrote:
In another forum here at A.net, it was mentioned that Delta will be operating flights between JFK and PTY, starting December 19. I checked on Delta's reservation page and it's indeed available.

Will be 4x weekly (Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday) and operated with 737-800's.
DL tried that once before and it didn't go well.
Given the current DL ATL-PTY-ATL schedule, CM has more chances to succeed on mornings PTY-ATL and mid-afternoon ATL-PTY than what DL might achieve on JFK-PTY.
Had DL decided DTW-PTY-DTW at least December and January, perhaps the outcome might be different.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:03 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
REDHL wrote:
In another forum here at A.net, it was mentioned that Delta will be operating flights between JFK and PTY, starting December 19. I checked on Delta's reservation page and it's indeed available.

Will be 4x weekly (Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday) and operated with 737-800's.
DL tried that once before and it didn't go well..



Times are different. 4X on JFK PTY could work. I don't think they intend to challenge CM. Probably they have a corporate contract of some kind that requires PTY plus some demand from Skyteam (VS etc) at JFK for feed.

on another note I see CM is increasing BZE starting later this year.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:58 pm

Did AA/DL ever operate MD-80s into SJO/LIR? For some reason I have memories for seeing an AA MD-80 in LIR in the early/mid 2010s but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. I would sort of think an MD-80 at some point operated some of the DFW-SJO/LIR flights.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:28 pm

skybird77 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Air Europa from Spain was flying to Central America prior to the beginning of the Covid-19 era as UX MAD-PTY and UX MAD-SAP.
We'd hopefully expect for the resumption of their activities soon.


Hasn’t the MAD-SAP route been operating for a few months now? I thought they re-started when SAP was reopened after the hurricanes.


They will now have 2 non-stop flights....2nd MAD-SAP-MAD flight starts on JUL 20TH.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:41 pm

N292UX wrote:
Did AA/DL ever operate MD-80s into SJO/LIR? For some reason I have memories for seeing an AA MD-80 in LIR in the early/mid 2010s but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. I would sort of think an MD-80 at some point operated some of the DFW-SJO/LIR flights.

Not AA. Their MaDogs were not overwater equipped.


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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:46 pm

N292UX wrote:
Did AA/DL ever operate MD-80s into SJO/LIR? For some reason I have memories for seeing an AA MD-80 in LIR in the early/mid 2010s but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. I would sort of think an MD-80 at some point operated some of the DFW-SJO/LIR flights.

Perhaps any isolated operation or for maintenance works.
I don't remember their MD-80s neither on DL nor AA, serving scheduled flights in Costa Rica.
From the top of my mind, I had seen 737s, 757s and 767s from Delta Air Lines at SJO.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:44 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Times are different. 4X on JFK PTY could work. I don't think they intend to challenge CM.

Agreed.
By the end of 2007, DL started a venture to Central America out of New York City from JFK: GUA, PTY, SJO and LIR.
However, the mortgage crisis in 2008 stopped these flights as the jet-fuel rose to unsustanaible levels.
Given the recent incursion of B6 from JFK at GUA, SJO, LIR and SAP soon, DL would participate in that bulky market.
Bear in mind, DL JFK-SAL 7x weekly is actually in service and facing AV SAL-JFK 21x weekly.
The opening of DL JFK-PTY will face CM PTY-JFK 28x weekly who is leading this market.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:21 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Times are different. 4X on JFK PTY could work. I don't think they intend to challenge CM.

Agreed.
By the end of 2007, DL started a venture to Central America out of New York City from JFK: GUA, PTY, SJO and LIR.
However, the mortgage crisis in 2008 stopped these flights as the jet-fuel rose to unsustanaible levels.
Given the recent incursion of B6 from JFK at GUA, SJO, LIR and SAP soon, DL would participate in that bulky market.
Bear in mind, DL JFK-SAL 7x weekly is actually in service and facing AV SAL-JFK 21x weekly.
The opening of DL JFK-PTY will face CM PTY-JFK 28x weekly who is leading this market.

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I wonder if DL is entering the PTY market from JFK, not to compete against CM, but rather to discourage B6 from entering the market.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:10 pm

Let's study how DL JFK-SAL is operating by now:

DL 1985...JFK 19.07.....22.19 SAL......Daily...738
DL 1984...SAL 23.39....06.19+1JFK....Daily...738

This schedule allocation allowing the "red-eye" itinerary on the northbound SAL-JFK doesn't interfere with the operations of AV SAL-JFK and back.
The intended DL JFK-PTY might follow a similar pattern.
Both B6 JFK-GUA and B6 JFK-SJO operate quite similar like DL JFK-SAL.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:18 pm

Tag Airlines just announce that will start operations between Guatemala City with Tapachula and Cancun.

August 13th Monday thew Friday
GUA-TAP 10:30 am - 12:15 pm
TAP-GUA 2:30 pm - 3:45 pm

August 19th Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays
GUA-CUN 10:00 am - 1:10 pm
CUN-GUA 2:10 pm - 3:20 pm

By October they say that flights will be daily.
All local times.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:10 am

Air Europa (UX) restarted PTY and added a frequency to SAP

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/07/ai ... -honduras/
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:42 am

not sure this was posted in another chat;

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/07/av ... solo-jets/

this will have an impact on centralamerica market
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:10 am

copa330200 wrote:
not sure this was posted in another chat;

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/07/av ... solo-jets/

this will have an impact on centralamerica market



All Central America ops by Avianca are done by Airbus aircraft.
All ATR have been retired, some went into storage, some of them went to Colombia. Two are still in Guatemala.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:49 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Let's study how DL JFK-SAL is operating by now:

DL 1985...JFK 19.07.....22.19 SAL......Daily...738
DL 1984...SAL 23.39....06.19+1JFK....Daily...738

This schedule allocation allowing the "red-eye" itinerary on the northbound SAL-JFK doesn't interfere with the operations of AV SAL-JFK and back.
The intended DL JFK-PTY might follow a similar pattern.
Both B6 JFK-GUA and B6 JFK-SJO operate quite similar like DL JFK-SAL.


Well, according to DL's website, the itinerary for the upcoming JFK-PTY flights will be the following:

DL1753: JFK 08:30 - 13:45 PTY (S, M, W, F) - B738
DL1754: PTY 15:05 - 19:35 JFK (S, M, W, F) - B738
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:41 pm

From the last press release:

Por el momento el consorcio aerocomercial latinoamericano constituido en Panamá, Avianca Holdings, cuenta con 11 aeronaves de este modelo con capacidad para 68 pasajeros, de los cuales 9 cumplen servicio en Colombia para Avianca Express y otros 2 para Avianca Guatemala.

There's no evidence about the ATRs operating in Guatemala as AV GUA-FRS is no longer in service, since many weeks ago.
Furthermore, other Central American routes operated in the past by their ATRs didn't show such equipment at this time. like AV GUA-TGU, AV SAL-TGU and AV SAL-SAP.
AV GUA-SAP and AV SAL-BZE never came back.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:53 pm

Odd schedule for UX SAP-MAD 2x weekly:

Image

IB is not present in San Pedro Sula, whereas UX MAD-PTY is timed to match IB MAD-PTY,
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:39 pm

F9 expansion from MCO and DEN to Central America. I see LIR and BZE, but sure there are more.
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