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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:33 pm

Great, no date was given for starting the routes

avi8 wrote:
Chele737 wrote:
avi8 wrote:


Wow, great news for SJO. Maybe Avianca will make a come back for the hub. Is there a press release?


Not a PR perse, but it is in many media news. SJO flights increase is part of a 23 new international routes from BOG, UIO, etc. GUAIAD is on that news too as well SALMCO.
https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/08/12 ... al-routes/


SJO-MGA/MEX/MDE/CLO/LAX/JFK
GUA-MIA/JFK/IAD
SAL-MCO
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:42 pm

 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:02 pm

The launch of these new routes on Avianca has been primarily implemented in some Colombian cities, other than Bogota.
Related to the Central American landscape, SJO would grow up again since the demise of its status as hub, when TA was absorbed by AV back in 2013. However, SJO has seen in the past years, the incursion of B6 SJO-JFK, AS LAX-SJO, B6 LAX-SJO, UA LAX-SJO and DL LAX-SJO. That means AV will not be alone, in these markets.
GUA would also rise one more time, given the opening of their new routes bound for the United States.
Speaking about Avianca Cantral America, the first flight on AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly began on July 01st, on board Airbus 319 and registered as N522TA. The plane is featuring the full livery of Star Alliance as shown below:

 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:36 pm

TAG Airlines inaugurated the route Tapachula - Guatemala City today.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:57 pm

with AS, B6, UA and DL all on SJO LAX, AV has a big hill to climb. The market may be big but I don't think it is that big. DL has been flying it for maybe 10 years, AS probably as long.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:20 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
with AS, B6, UA and DL all on SJO LAX, AV has a big hill to climb. The market may be big but I don't think it is that big. DL has been flying it for maybe 10 years, AS probably as long.
Maybe AV should study moving SJO LAX to SJO ONT.. Costa Rica may have the appeal to support a non-stop from LA inland empire.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:20 am

LightChop2Chop wrote:
The market may be big but I don't think it is that big. DL has been flying it for maybe 10 years, AS probably as long.


TA SJO-LAX 3x weekly, 320/319. Discontinued in 2013.
DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly, 757. Startred in 2013.
AS LAX-SJO 4x weekly, 738. Started in 2015.
B6 LAX-SJO 3x weekly, 320. Started in 2020.
UA LAX-SJO 7x weekly, 738. Started in 2021.

The O&D market called SJO-LAX actually is not as large as both LAX-GUA [UA 7x weekly, AV 3x weekly, Q6 2x weekly] and LAX-SAL [UA 7x weekly, DL 7x weekly, AV 21x weekly and Q6 2x weekly]
The credit of DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly was focused in a new pattern schedule unknown in those days:

DL1974....LAX 23.37...06.23+1 SJO.....Daily.......752
DL1972....SJO 07.52.......12.55 LAX.....Daily.......752

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:30 am

estefanovich wrote:
TAG Airlines inaugurated the route Tapachula - Guatemala City today.

Excellent news !
Based on the illustration, it's being operated with Embraer 110 jets.
5U GUA-CUN is also in service and facing Q6 GUA-CUN.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:50 pm

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/copa-hol ... 00765.html

Copa Holdings reported a net profit of US$28.1 million for the second quarter :veryhappy: :veryhappy: :veryhappy:
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:02 am

The following route map displays the new routes offered by Avianca:

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:30 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
estefanovich wrote:
TAG Airlines inaugurated the route Tapachula - Guatemala City today.

Excellent news !
Based on the illustration, it's being operated with Embraer 110 jets.
5U GUA-CUN is also in service and facing Q6 GUA-CUN.

Regards.


Inaugural flight was with an Embraer 145. Not sure if this is the aircraft they plan to use permanently.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:39 pm

American Airlines will fly from both San Jose and Liberia bound for Chicago O'Hare international airport.
Effective: November 02nd.

AA ORD-SJO. 3x weekly
AA ORD-LIR. 1x weekly.

AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly would also start on November 02nd.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:34 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
American Airlines will fly from both San Jose and Liberia bound for Chicago O'Hare.


Related press release:

https://ticotimes.net/2021/08/20/american-airlines-to-fly-between-chicago-and-costa-rica
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:18 am

estefanovich wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
estefanovich wrote:
TAG Airlines inaugurated the route Tapachula - Guatemala City today.

Excellent news !
Based on the illustration, it's being operated with Embraer 110 jets.
5U GUA-CUN is also in service and facing Q6 GUA-CUN.

Regards.


Inaugural flight was with an Embraer 145. Not sure if this is the aircraft they plan to use permanently.


Cancun will be on Saab S340 and Tapachula will be a mix of Saab S340 and E110

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:31 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Speaking about Avianca Cantral America, the first flight on AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly began on July 01st, on board Airbus 319 and registered as N522TA. The plane is featuring the full livery of Star Alliance as shown below:


I've flown this route twice already and to be frank, I was more than pleasantly surprised by how many people are taking the flight especially on a weeknight like Wednesday early morning Red Eye that I flew (the other time was the second flight out of ONT with its Star Alliance twin N524TA.

Though I have to be frank I didn't realize there indeed was a large enough Central American community around the ONT/IE/East LA area to accommodate this flight. From the flights I've taken, I've seen a mix of O&D and those connecting to Guatemala, Nicaragua, or Honduras at SAL. Wish Avianca the best, and from what I've seen hopefully they up gauge the ONT flight with an A320.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:49 am

As far as I know, the community from Guatemala and El Salvador in L.A. is huge compared to the other Central American countries.
The existing AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly justifies the launch of AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:58 am

Do we have any news regarding the start dates of AV’s new routes?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:50 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
As far as I know, the community from Guatemala and El Salvador in L.A. is huge compared to the other Central American countries.
The existing AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly justifies the launch of AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly.
Perhaps even SNA could support AV to SAL, however, AV A319 (A318?) might not be able to take off fully loaded from SNA runway.
IMHO, chances to see AV SAL-SAN are increasing after seeing AV SAL-ONT performance. AV SAL-PHX/LAS may be different markets to venture, unless there's a SAL-LIM to feed connecting passengers.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:38 pm

The usage of back-up airports is not a new story for the Central American airlines.
Copa Airlines flies to both Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. They also did operate GRU and VCP.
Avianca Central America used to fly to New York JFK and Newark from San Salvador, no longer in service.
The former TACA flew to San Francisco and Oakland for a while.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:10 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
As far as I know, the community from Guatemala and El Salvador in L.A. is huge compared to the other Central American countries.
The existing AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly justifies the launch of AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly.
Perhaps even SNA could support AV to SAL, however, AV A319 (A318?) might not be able to take off fully loaded from SNA runway.performance.


To be frank, I was expecting SNA to get a SAL flight first before ONT since it's far nearer to the LA area, though life has its surprises. Knowing their 10pm curfew, I would suspect if AV opens up at SNA, it would be for that early morning 7am flight that LAX used to have in the mid-2010s (my family used to take that flight).
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:30 am

many321 wrote:
I was expecting SNA to get a SAL flight first before ONT since it's far nearer to the LA area, though life has its surprises. Knowing their 10pm curfew, I would suspect if AV opens up at SNA, it would be for that early morning 7am flight that LAX used to have in the mid-2010s (my family used to take that flight).

TACA studied the chance of SAL-ONT, back in 2007 or so. They didn't materialize their former plans, in such route.


Let's study the schedule allocation on AV SAL-ONT:

AV 530....SAL 19.30.....23.30....319.....Tu, Th, Sa
AV 531....ONT 01.15....07.15....319.....We, Fr, Su

In my view, the stellar flights on AV SAL-LAX occured at similar times.
Having said that, AV SAL-ONT shows a suitable timetable for a brand new route.
On the other hand, the history of AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly is totally different. They can accomodate their three daily flights, in different times throughout the day, like AV SAL-SFO 14x weekly.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:09 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
many321 wrote:
I was expecting SNA to get a SAL flight first before ONT since it's far nearer to the LA area, though life has its surprises. Knowing their 10pm curfew, I would suspect if AV opens up at SNA, it would be for that early morning 7am flight that LAX used to have in the mid-2010s (my family used to take that flight).

TACA studied the chance of SAL-ONT, back in 2007 or so. They didn't materialise their former plans, in such route.
Most likely in 2007 the Salvadorian demographics around ONT wasn't enough to sustain that service.
TACA also flew SAL-OAK for a very short time, now a days perhaps SAL-SJC would make more sense? Even if the demand for a SJO-SJC might be higher.
There'a very interesting case of Salvadorian immigration to California and the California - SAL traffic demand.
Would AV SAL then start routes like SAL-SAN/SNA/SJC/SMF or even SAL-FAT/BFL (!) and SAL-PHX/LAS as California Salvadorians also are moving east?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:26 pm

The new policy of Avianca Central America and even Avianca main-line is focused in the reinforcement of their profitable routes, especially those heading to the United States.
With that being said, AV SAL-LAX and AV SAL-IAD among others have increased their weekly frequencies, in the past weeks.
They have realized how strong is the US market and we couldn't discard the opening of new US destinations, in the mid-term. Watch the route map posted in reply 260.
We have also seen the launch of several routes linking the USA and Central America: AV SAP-MIA , AV GUA-JFK and AV SJO-MIA. Probably, more to come...
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:56 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
many321 wrote:
I was expecting SNA to get a SAL flight first before ONT since it's far nearer to the LA area, though life has its surprises. Knowing their 10pm curfew, I would suspect if AV opens up at SNA, it would be for that early morning 7am flight that LAX used to have in the mid-2010s (my family used to take that flight).

TACA studied the chance of SAL-ONT, back in 2007 or so. They didn't materialise their former plans, in such route.
Most likely in 2007 the Salvadorian demographics around ONT wasn't enough to sustain that service.
TACA also flew SAL-OAK for a very short time, now a days perhaps SAL-SJC would make more sense? Even if the demand for a SJO-SJC might be higher.
There'a very interesting case of Salvadorian immigration to California and the California - SAL traffic demand.
Would AV SAL then start routes like SAL-SAN/SNA/SJC/SMF or even SAL-FAT/BFL (!) and SAL-PHX/LAS as California Salvadorians also are moving east?


Looking at SMF and FAT, which both have very successful Mexico operations, Central America does not look nearly as likely. Only about 5% of FAT's Latinos are from Central America, about 8% in SMF.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:06 pm

flyfresno wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
TACA studied the chance of SAL-ONT, back in 2007 or so. They didn't materialise their former plans, in such route.
Most likely in 2007 the Salvadorian demographics around ONT wasn't enough to sustain that service.
TACA also flew SAL-OAK for a very short time, now a days perhaps SAL-SJC would make more sense? Even if the demand for a SJO-SJC might be higher.
There'a very interesting case of Salvadorian immigration to California and the California - SAL traffic demand.
Would AV SAL then start routes like SAL-SAN/SNA/SJC/SMF or even SAL-FAT/BFL (!) and SAL-PHX/LAS as California Salvadorians also are moving east?


Looking at SMF and FAT, which both have very successful Mexico operations, Central America does not look nearly as likely. Only about 5% of FAT's Latinos are from Central America, about 8% in SMF.
IMHO, out of all Latinos/Hispanics in metropolitan SMF, if 8% are Central Americans.. looks like a critical mass for some kind of twice weekly AV seasonal SAL-SMF at least from weekend before Thanksgiving to late January.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:44 pm

ONT just posted their monthly stats for July for each airline including AV's.

https://www.flyontario.com/sites/defaul ... l_2021.pdf
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:17 pm

I'd make an arithmetic exercise, regarding the performance for AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly with the 120-seater Airbus 319.

AV SAL-ONT
First flight: July 01, 2021.
Passengers transported in July 2021: 2755
Monthly frequencies; both ways: 3*4*2= 24 flights
Average of passengers: 2755/24 = 115
Estimated load factor= 115/120= 96% Practically fully packed fligts !
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:33 pm

CM requests permission to fly to CUC: Cucuta, Colombia. 7fx per week.
https://www.aviationclubcenter.com/copa ... de-panama/

Also, it is in the process of converting 2 B737 into cargo planes. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/EmmyIlha/status/1430552682918400003
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:45 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
I'd make an arithmetic exercise, regarding the performance for AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly with the 120-seater Airbus 319.

AV SAL-ONT
First flight: July 01, 2021.
Passengers transported in July 2021: 2755
Monthly frequencies; both ways: 3*4*2= 24 flights
Average of passengers: 2755/24 = 115
Estimated load factor= 115/120= 96% Practically fully packed fligts !


that kinda makes sense on why AV finally ventured to open at ONT. Will not be surprised if they upgauge to the A320 or fly more days though still using the A319 with those load numbers.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:53 pm

flyfresno wrote:
Looking at SMF and FAT, which both have very successful Mexico operations, Central America does not look nearly as likely. Only about 5% of FAT's Latinos are from Central America, about 8% in SMF.

It's a good point.
Speaking about the O&D market between California and Central America, no doubts that Los Angeles and San Francisco are leading that market, based on AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly, AV GUA-LAX 3x weekly, AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly and AV SAL-SFO 14x weekly.
We couldn't forget the contributions of their competitors serving the same market: United, Delta, jetBlue, Alaska, Volaris and Copa Airlines.
My conclusion is that the amount of passengers between these geographical areas has grown to higher levels, in less than 10 years.
AV would look carefully how SAL-ONT is working and based on their results, the opening of more Californian destinations will come true. Furthermore, AV has already announced the resumption of SJO-LAX as non-stop soon.
On the other hand, the demand of passengers from South America to California nowadays hasn't grown up lately. CM PTY-SFO has not resumed their operations, LA LIM-SFO isn't in service anymore and the old Brazil-Los Angeles flights are even suspended, until further notice.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:16 pm

I would not be surprised to see AS try LAX-SAL/PTY/GUA in the next 24 months.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:17 pm

Kilgen wrote:
CM requests permission to fly to CUC: Cucuta, Colombia. 7fx per week.
https://www.aviationclubcenter.com/copa ... de-panama/
Long overdue. And CM thru P5 flew that route.

Also, it is in the process of converting 2 B737 into cargo planes. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/EmmyIlha/status/1430552682918400003
Great news.
CM hasn't have a cargo plane of its own in a long time.
Now that CM doesn't have the E190 anymore, good thing would be for the airline to study how feasible B737-800 combi cargo-passenger conversion (3 pallet 80 passengers?).
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:11 pm

Kilgen wrote:
CM requests permission to fly to CUC: Cucuta, Colombia

The resumption of CUC will complete the former Colombian destinations served out of PTY:

Bogota
Medellín
Cali
Barranquilla
Cartagena
Pereira
Bucaramanga
Cúcuta

Furthermore, CM PTY-AXM [Armenia] 3x weekly is due to start on December 02nd.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:30 pm

is there any possibility for avianca to go to austin? maybe from SAL or SJO?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:46 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Most likely in 2007 the Salvadorian demographics around ONT wasn't enough to sustain that service.
TACA also flew SAL-OAK for a very short time, now a days perhaps SAL-SJC would make more sense? Even if the demand for a SJO-SJC might be higher.
There'a very interesting case of Salvadorian immigration to California and the California - SAL traffic demand.
Would AV SAL then start routes like SAL-SAN/SNA/SJC/SMF or even SAL-FAT/BFL (!) and SAL-PHX/LAS as California Salvadorians also are moving east?


Looking at SMF and FAT, which both have very successful Mexico operations, Central America does not look nearly as likely. Only about 5% of FAT's Latinos are from Central America, about 8% in SMF.
IMHO, out of all Latinos/Hispanics in metropolitan SMF, if 8% are Central Americans.. looks like a critical mass for some kind of twice weekly AV seasonal SAL-SMF at least from weekend before Thanksgiving to late January.


I don't think 20 or so flights is worth an airline going through all the hassle of starting new international service.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:07 pm

The opening of AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly is indeed a good sign for the recovery of the market prior to the Covid-19 era, given the current demand of passengers which would be roughly the 50% of their former levels.
We've lately seen the increase of frequencies and announcements of brand new routes, especially from the United Stated for the end of 2021.
However, the launch of AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly won't necessarily mean the massive and rapid spread of AV in the USA.
The opening of a brand new route is supported in demographic studies, demonstrating that the market really exists there, in order to run profitably.

Let's pay attention on this model: CM PTY-FLL 12x weekly and NK FLL-PTY 1x weekly.
For the case of San Salvador, NK FLL-SAL 9x weekly is firmly operating and preventing the incursion of any AV SAL-FLL, based on AV BOG-FLL 4x weekly.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:47 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
Looking at SMF and FAT, which both have very successful Mexico operations, Central America does not look nearly as likely. Only about 5% of FAT's Latinos are from Central America, about 8% in SMF.

It's a good point.
Speaking about the O&D market between California and Central America, no doubts that Los Angeles and San Francisco are leading that market, based on AV SAL-LAX 21x weekly, AV GUA-LAX 3x weekly, AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly and AV SAL-SFO 14x weekly.
We couldn't forget the contributions of their competitors serving the same market: United, Delta, jetBlue, Alaska, Volaris and Copa Airlines.
My conclusion is that the amount of passengers between these geographical areas has grown to higher levels, in less than 10 years.
AV would look carefully how SAL-ONT is working and based on their results, the opening of more Californian destinations will come true. Furthermore, AV has already announced the resumption of SJO-LAX as non-stop soon.
On the other hand, the demand of passengers from South America to California nowadays hasn't grown up lately. CM PTY-SFO has not resumed their operations, LA LIM-SFO isn't in service anymore and the old Brazil-Los Angeles flights are even suspended, until further notice.

Regards.


I'm a bit surprised that Y4 hasn't made SAL/GUA - FAT/SMF connections possible (through MEX). I feel like they would definitely get a half dozen or so connections per day on those through routes. However, I don't see a way to book them right now (even though some of the timings work).

I'm also wondering if Y4 would ever start GUA/SAL/PTY - GDL.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:02 pm

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I'm also wondering if Y4 would ever start GUA/SAL/PTY - GDL.
As long as CM will keep flying PTY-GDL, no other airline would dare to enter the market.
Connecting passengers Y4 could get for a GDL-PTY can't compare to what CM gets for PTY-GDL.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:08 pm

flyfresno wrote:
Y4 would ever start GUA/SAL/PTY - GDL.

In the past five years, Volaris Costa Rica division did operate some routes that are no longer available: SAL-CUN, SJO-SAL-JFK, SJO-GDL, GUA-GDL, SAL-MGA, SJO-MGA, SAL-TIJ and SAL-GUA-TIJ.
Even Q6 GUA-LAX and Q6 SAL-LAX have been operating with limited weekly frequencies.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:23 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
I'm also wondering if Y4 would ever start GUA/SAL/PTY - GDL.
As long as CM will keep flying PTY-GDL, no other airline would dare to enter the market.
Connecting passengers Y4 could get for a GDL-PTY can't compare to what CM gets for PTY-GDL.


Yeah, the connections in PTY on CM are great. I was thinking they would get connections from the rest of Mexico and any US cities that don't have CM, but maybe that's not enough?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:30 pm

flyfresno wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
I'm also wondering if Y4 would ever start GUA/SAL/PTY - GDL.
As long as CM will keep flying PTY-GDL, no other airline would dare to enter the market.
Connecting passengers Y4 could get for a GDL-PTY can't compare to what CM gets for PTY-GDL.


Yeah, the connections in PTY on CM are great. I was thinking they would get connections from the rest of Mexico and any US cities that don't have CM, but maybe that's not enough?
CM does have code-share with AM.
Not that much U.S.-PTY hub traffic likes to connect in Mexican airports.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:13 pm

The inner traffic from California heading to Central America already have multiple choices. Both DL and UA are actually flying at least daily to GUA, SAL and SJO from LAX.
However, these US airlnes aren't operating LAX-PTY, given the existing services of CM PTY-LAX 14x weekly. They had up to 28x weekly flights before 2020 and it's the only carrier working on that route.

The scenario in Mexico City is likely making a resemblance to Los Angeles. The inner Mexican traffic should be funneled through MEX on AeroMexico: GUA 14x weekly, SAL 7x weekly and SJO 14x weekly.
AM MEX-PTY does not fly to Panama on their own metal, given the current CM-AM code-share service as pointing out above.
CM PTY-MEX is 32x weekly by now and it's the sole operator, in such route.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:37 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
AM MEX-PTY does not fly to Panama on their own metal, given the current CM-AM code-share service as pointing out above.
CM PTY-MEX is 32x weekly by now and it's the sole operator, in such route.


Granted much of the PTY MEX traffic is connecting from points beyond PTY, still at 32X weekly and even more than that in the past one would think that there is more than enough O&D and enough requests from AM FFers to warrant AM doing MEX PTY. This doesn't event count the domestic feed AM could put on at MEX headed to PTY.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:00 pm

I was checking carefully the status of the non Star Alliance code-share partners on Copa Airlines: GOL, KLM, Air France, Air Europa, Azul and Emirates.
AeroMexico is not listed anymore:

https://www.copaair.com/en/web/us/code-share
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:20 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Granted much of the PTY MEX traffic is connecting from points beyond PTY

Agreed. The robust traffic on CM PTY-MEX does not come from Mexico by itself, but from connections through PTY.
I was illustrating how the inner Mexican traffic bound for Central America through MEX should be enough to stop the other competitors. We cannot forget InterJet has suspended indefinetily their commercial operations.
CM PTY-MEX has been always ranked among their top-ten routes and the situation on CM PTY-CUN 55x weekly looks like much better, regarding their almost eight daily flights.
Other segments like CM PTY-SDQ and CM PTY-PUJ are loading these flights from connections through PTY as well.
On the other hand, CM PTY-HAV is barely operating twice a week. Santa Clara and Holguin are not working yet on CM.

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:58 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Granted much of the PTY MEX traffic is connecting from points beyond PTY

Agreed. The robust traffic on CM PTY-MEX does not come from Mexico by itself, but from connections through PTY.
I was illustrating how the inner Mexican traffic bound for Central America through MEX should be enough to stop the other competitors. We cannot forget InterJet has suspended indefinetily their commercial operations.
CM PTY-MEX has been always ranked among their top-ten routes and the situation on CM PTY-CUN 55x weekly looks like much better, regarding their almost eight daily flights.
Other segments like CM PTY-SDQ and CM PTY-PUJ are loading these flights from connections through PTY as well.
On the other hand, CM PTY-HAV is barely operating twice a week. Santa Clara and Holguin are not working yet on CM.

Regards.
Bear in mind that CM South American and Caribbean network isn't back to what it was February 2020.
And those current frequencies to MEX/CUN/PUJ/SDQ are inspite of that fact.
CM most likely won't return to VSA or PBC or maybe PVR, however, sooner or later, 2-3 flights per week between PTY and TLC shouldn't surprise passengers and a-neters.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:06 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
I'd make an arithmetic exercise, regarding the performance for AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly with the 120-seater Airbus 319.

AV SAL-ONT
First flight: July 01, 2021.
Passengers transported in July 2021: 2755
Monthly frequencies; both ways: 3*4*2= 24 flights
Average of passengers: 2755/24 = 115
Estimated load factor= 115/120= 96% Practically fully packed fligts !

Looking pretty good for this flight. Finally time that airlines figure out that ONT is more convenient for several million people in So Cal than any other airport. The airport is most convenient for the San Gabriel Valley, Northern OC, and of course the IE. The ethnic populations in these areas is huge, as has been proven by the success of Volaris and China Airlines (precovid).
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:19 am

BGS91762 wrote:
Finally time that airlines figure out that ONT is more convenient for several million people in So Cal than any other airport.

Prior to February 2020, Frontier had announced the opening of F9 SAL-ONT and F9 GUA-ONT. They didn't materialize these flights for the known reasons.
The brand new AV SAL-ONT 3x weekly from July 2021 wasn't necessarily a surprise, taking into account this scenario as well as the same intended plans on TACA, almost 15 years backward.
Here's a press release in Spanish language from December 2019, mentioning Ontario, California as the new US gateway for Central America.

https://www.estrategiaynegocios.net/lasclavesdeldia/1343196-330/frontier-airlines-abrir%C3%A1-nuevas-rutas-a-el-salvador-y-guatemala

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:15 pm

Copa Airlines has received six brand new Boeing 737 MAX in 2021, for a total of 13 working actively:

....Model..........Registration......Delivery date
737-9 MAX.....HP-9910CMP......02/02/2021
737-9 MAX.....HP-9907CMP......13/01/2021
737-9 MAX.....HP-9909CMP......23/01/2021
737-9 MAX.....HP-9912CMP......03/03/2021
737-9 MAX.....HP-9911CMP......19/02/2021
737-9 MAX.....HP-9913CMP......29/03/2021
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:57 pm

Volaris El Salvador has officially received its AOC. It will begin operations on September 15, on the SAL-MEX route.

Subsequently, it will be launching services to CUN and SAP from October 15 and 31, respectively.

https://www.forbes.com.mx/volaris-extie ... eptiembre/
https://www.expreso.info/noticias/trans ... l_salvador
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