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SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:35 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
ATL for CM is a surprise.

I really think so.
The model of CM is based on loading planes through PTY with passengers coming from abroad.
However, DL has a decent Latin American coverage from Atlanta, even though their weekly supply of flights is not the same before March 2020, in most cases.

Regards.
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:59 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Here's the comprehensive list about the resumption of the destinations temporarily canceled on Copa Airlines.
Possible changes might occur without further notice and pending the respective government approval.

Image

Update:

I had posted the resumption list of CM, in the earlier months of 2021.
However, they're not operating yet: St, Maarten, Cordoba, Mendoza, Recife, Rosario, San Andres Island, Manaos, Paramaribo, Santiago de los Caballeros, San Francisco, Barbados and Las Vegas.
CM PTY-MSY is programmed on December 04th.
The current demand of passengers is mandatory on changing their former plans.
 
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REDHL
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:04 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Here's the comprehensive list about the resumption of the destinations temporarily canceled on Copa Airlines.
Possible changes might occur without further notice and pending the respective government approval.

Image

Update:

I had posted the resumption list of CM, in the earlier months of 2021.
However, they're not operating yet: St, Maarten, Cordoba, Mendoza, Recife, Rosario, San Andres Island, Manaos, Paramaribo, Santiago de los Caballeros, San Francisco, Barbados and Las Vegas.
CM PTY-MSY is programmed on December 04th.
The current demand of passengers is mandatory on changing their former plans.


Thanks for the clarification.

Coincidentally, a friend also told me that yesterday and that what some outlets had mentioned about the termination of the PTY-MSY route were incorrect. Now in more I will try to do more cross-check of the information.
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:42 am

More resumptions till the end of the year:


October 01: LP LIM-SJO. Resumes
October 02: WS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes.
November 01: AC YUL-SJO, Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly + WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN IAH-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December 02: AV JFK-GUA 3x weekly. 319/320 Resumes
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
 
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juanchito
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:17 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
More resumptions till the end of the year:


October 01: LP LIM-SJO. Resumes
October 02: WS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes.
November 01: AC YUL-SJO, Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly + WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN IAH-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December 02: AV JFK-GUA 3x weekly. 319/320 Resumes
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes


Add to the list
December 01: AV IAD-GUA 4x weekly. 319/320 Resumes
December 01: AV MIA-GUA 7x weekly. 319/320 Resumes

Regards
 
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REDHL
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:16 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
More resumptions till the end of the year:


October 01: LP LIM-SJO. Resumes
October 02: WS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes.
November 01: AC YUL-SJO, Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly + WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN IAH-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December 02: AV JFK-GUA 3x weekly. 319/320 Resumes
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes


Please, also add the following flight to the resumption list:

December 01: AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly. 319 Resumes
 
avi8
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:42 pm

I’m loving this aggressive AV. Let’s hope for more cheap, direct service for the entire region
 
LightChop2Chop
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:00 pm

WS YYZ BZE resumes November too. YYC-BZE resumes mid December.
SY also resumes RTB and BZE in Dec
 
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juanchito
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:55 am

Tropic will re-start service from BZE to FRS on the 15th of november.
Flights will be operated 3 weekly usually with Caravans and Airvans
 
MAH4546
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:43 am

REDHL wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Here's the comprehensive list about the resumption of the destinations temporarily canceled on Copa Airlines.
Possible changes might occur without further notice and pending the respective government approval.

Image

Update:

I had posted the resumption list of CM, in the earlier months of 2021.
However, they're not operating yet: St, Maarten, Cordoba, Mendoza, Recife, Rosario, San Andres Island, Manaos, Paramaribo, Santiago de los Caballeros, San Francisco, Barbados and Las Vegas.
CM PTY-MSY is programmed on December 04th.
The current demand of passengers is mandatory on changing their former plans.


Thanks for the clarification.

Coincidentally, a friend also told me that yesterday and that what some outlets had mentioned about the termination of the PTY-MSY route were incorrect. Now in more I will try to do more cross-check of the information.


PTYMSY is permanently discontinued and no longer in reservation systems through end of schedule.
 
FlyingSicilian
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:43 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
More resumptions till the end of the year:


October 01: LP LIM-SJO. Resumes
October 02: WS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes.
November 01: AC YUL-SJO, Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly + WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN IAH-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December 02: AV JFK-GUA 3x weekly. 319/320 Resumes
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes


I think WN was flying HOU BZE so will restart from there not IAH (WN does serve IAH again). UA does IAH BZE of course.
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:54 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
I think WN was flying HOU BZE so will restart from there not IAH (WN does serve IAH again). UA does IAH BZE of course.


It's operated as WN HOU-BZE.
Regards.
 
2travel2know2
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:48 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
PTYMSY is permanently discontinued and no longer in reservation systems through end of schedule.
Looks like CM didn't want to keep PTY-MSY not even as a Mondays and Fridays day-time rotation aimed to the weekend/week traveller, IMHO, CM's B737-800 wouldn't have helped any potential passenger demand for such operation.
Bet Panamanian and other Loyola, Tulane, LSU students and Pat O'Brian patrons mourning CM leaving MSY.
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:22 am

Braniff International and Eastern Air Lines flew the PTY-MSY sector, so many years ago.
The commercial ties between New Orleans and Central America are historically focused in Honduras.
NK MSY-SAP 3x weekly started in July as scheduled flights. The same route was attended in the past by TACA and SAHSA.

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LAXdude1023
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:39 am

The ties between New Orleans and Honduras are more historical than current. Outside Honduras, there aren’t many ties between New Orleans and Latin America. I’m not surprised CM couldn’t make it work.

NK flies MSY-SAP a couple times a week. That should more than satisfy demand. New Orleans is a really great and fun city, but it’s not a particularly international city in this day and age.
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:07 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
The ties between New Orleans and Honduras are more historical than current. Outside Honduras, there aren’t many ties between New Orleans and Latin America.

I agree. New Orleans was one of the main gateways linking the United States and Central America, more than 35 years ago.
The demand of passengers is limited, like Denver - Central America.
Nowadays, those travelers should easily choose UA [MSY - IAH - Central America], on a daily basis.

Regards.
 
LightChop2Chop
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:16 pm

SJOtoLIR thanks for sharing that Braniff route map. I had no idea they flew MIA-HNL. that was an odd route.
 
USPIT10L
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:09 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
SJOtoLIR thanks for sharing that Braniff route map. I had no idea they flew MIA-HNL. that was an odd route.


Those maps also show certificated/authorized routes as well. No one has ever flown MIAHNL nonstop. CO also did that type of route map back then.
 
Nonrevhell
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:54 pm

So happy to see the PHX-SJO flights coming back! Do we know its daily, and for how long?

I will be buying two AA20 tix soon...
 
SJOtoLIR
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:28 pm

Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.
 
belizexp
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:15 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.


December 18: DL MSP-BZE . New - Seasonal
 
flyguy1
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:01 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.


Great list!
 
Kilgen
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:15 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.


December 6. CM PTY-CUC 3x weekly resumes (after 5 years) 737-700 (yes, CM decided to keep 6 737-700)
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:17 am

MAH4546 wrote:
REDHL wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Update:

I had posted the resumption list of CM, in the earlier months of 2021.
However, they're not operating yet: St, Maarten, Cordoba, Mendoza, Recife, Rosario, San Andres Island, Manaos, Paramaribo, Santiago de los Caballeros, San Francisco, Barbados and Las Vegas.
CM PTY-MSY is programmed on December 04th.
The current demand of passengers is mandatory on changing their former plans.


Thanks for the clarification.

Coincidentally, a friend also told me that yesterday and that what some outlets had mentioned about the termination of the PTY-MSY route were incorrect. Now in more I will try to do more cross-check of the information.


PTYMSY is permanently discontinued and no longer in reservation systems through end of schedule.


As I said previously, I also thought the same point until a friend clarified to me that although MSY has not resumed at this point or does not appear in the reservation system, it doesn't mean that it has been cancelled yet. Its possible that CM may be waiting until demand is high enough to relaunch MSY (perhaps with a different schedule), as well as the other destinations that are still suspended and moved a moderate number of passengers prior the pandemic, something that I don't expect to happen until mid-2022 at the earliest.

Besides that, as Kilgen previously mentioned, CM decided to keep a small fleet of 6 737-700s. Although it was a surprising move, I can understand why they done it: they need an aircraft to perform the flights that their retired E190s originally made and where the demand is not strong enough to fill an 737-800.

It could be a certainty, but time will tell.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:43 pm

belizexp wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.


December 18: DL MSP-BZE . New - Seasonal


When will DL resume MSP-LIR?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:56 pm

Apparently the PHX-SJO flights run from December 16 to January 4th. Not too happy about that, there goes the vacation we were planning...
 
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:36 pm

Historically, AA PHX-SJO and DL MSP-LIR have worked from December til March or so.
We haven't found the seasonal AA PHL-SJO for 2021.
 
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:20 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Historically, AA PHX-SJO and DL MSP-LIR have worked from December til March or so.
We haven't found the seasonal AA PHL-SJO for 2021.


We would be on the flight if they were to run it for more than 2 freaking weeks....
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 am

According to several local news media, Edelweiss will begin a 1X flight to LIR on sundays flying a triangular route ZRH-SJO-LIR-ZRH. SJO will have an additional 2X nonstops for a total of 3 flights per week. First flight into LIR operates November 28th. Great news and yet another European operator. All flights operated by the A340-300.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:21 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Thank you all for your inputs !
The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021.
Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice.
Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of their destinations announced for the second half of the year.
Here's the new list:

October 01: N3 SAL-JFK Resumes
October 01: LP LIM-SJO Resumes
October 06: NK MIA-GUA 4x weekly. 320. New
October 07: NK MIA-SAL 3x weekly. 320 New
October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes
October 15: N3 SAL-CUN. New
October 31: N3 SAL-SAP. New
November: WS YYZ-BZE. Resumes
November: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. Resumes
November 01: AC YUL-SJO. Resumes
November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 01: WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 02: AA AUS-LIR 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-SJO 3x weekly. New
November 02: AA ORD-LIR 1x weekly New
November 04: F9 SAL-MCO 2x weekly New
November 07: AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
November 07: WN HOU-BZE 7x weekly. Resumes
November 11: F9 MCO-LIR 2x weekly. New
November 13: WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly New
November 15: 9N BZE-FRS 3x Resumes
November 17: NK FLL-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly
November 17: NK IAH-XPL 7x weekly. New
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MIA-SJO 4x weekly. 32N New
November 17: NK MCO-SJO 7x weekly. Resumes
November 17: CM PTY-DEN. Resumes
November 18: BA LGW-SJO. Resumes
November 19: AS LAX-BZE 4x weekly. 738. New
November 19: AS SEA-BZE 2x weekly. 738 New
November 19: NK MCO-SAL 3x weekly. Resumes
November 20: WN DEN-BZE 1x weekly. Resumes
December: [AV SJO-LAX, AV SJO-JFK, AV SJO-MGA, AV SJO-MDE] Resumes
December: AV SJO-CLO. New
December: WS YYC-BZE Resumes
December: SY MSP-BZE. Resumes
December: SY MSP-RTB. Resumes
December: B6 JFK-SAP 3x weekly. New
December 01: [AV GUA-IAD 4x weekly + AV GUA-MIA 7x weekly + AV SJO-PTY 7x weekly] Resumes
December 01: AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly. 320. Resumes
December 02: CM PTY-AXM 3x weekly. New
December 02: AV GUA-JFK 3x weekly. 319/320. Resumes
December 03: CM PTY-CIX. Resumes
December 05: [CM PTY-LIR + CM PTY-PVR + CM PTY-SLA] Resumes
December 11: F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly. New
December 11: F9 MCO-BZE 2x weekly. New
December 12: CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly. 738. New
December 13: TS YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 16: TS YUL-SAL. New - Seasonal
December 16: AA PHX-SJO. Resumes
December 17: TS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes
December 18: UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly. New
December 18: UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly. New
December 19: DL JFK-PTY. 4x weekly. 738. New

Please, let us know if something has been missing.

One more for the list...

November 12: WG YYZ-RIH 1x weekly. Resumes

https://www.prensa.com/economia/desde-e ... -rio-hato/
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:41 am

danielair00 wrote:
Edelweiss will begin a 1X flight to LIR on sundays flying a triangular route ZRH-SJO-LIR-ZRH. SJO

These triangle segments are trendy in Costa Rica, given KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS.
Before March 2020, Air Transat flew TS [YVR-SJO-LIR-YVR] with 321 Neo. It hasn't returned to Costa Rica.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:34 pm

Why did copa kick out the embraer190 out of their fleet?
 
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Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:29 pm

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Why did copa kick out the embraer190 out of their fleet?
My very own guess:
Achieve the best possible fleet commonality.
This means that regardless having announced the B737-700 was out too, it chose to keep it.
What was the reasoning for going for E190 instead of B737-600 when CM could have kept fleet commonality with different capacity aircraft models with almost the same range? Political move with Brazil (aiming for open skies)? = We might never know.
 
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Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:52 pm

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What was the reasoning for going for E190 instead of B737-600 when CM could have kept fleet commonality with different capacity aircraft models with almost the same range.

The Embraer 190 was more efficient than other 100-seater jets, in terms of fuel consumption: Boeing 737-600, Boeing 717, Sukhoi 100 and Airbus 318,
I've always thought they were cheaper as well.
CM utilized these planes for their low density routes.
From I had read before, the baggage allowable capacity was always an issue against them.
The Covid-19 era only sped the withdrawal plans of their Embraer 190 jets.
Press release related to this topic:

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2020/09/18/copa-airlines-vende-su-flota-embraer-190-para-ajustarse-a-la-demanda-por-pandemia/

Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:50 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
What was the reasoning for going for E190 instead of B737-600 when CM could have kept fleet commonality with different capacity aircraft models with almost the same range.

The Embraer 190 was more efficient than other 100-seater jets, in terms of fuel consumption: Boeing 737-600, Boeing 717, Sukhoi 100 and Airbus 318,
I've always thought they were cheaper as well.
CM utilized these planes for their low density routes.
From I had read before, the baggage allowable capacity was always an issue against them.
The Covid-19 era only sped the withdrawal plans of their Embraer 190 jets.
Press release related to this topic:

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2020/09/18/copa-airlines-vende-su-flota-embraer-190-para-ajustarse-a-la-demanda-por-pandemia/

Regards.


I have never heard that embraer had baggage problems
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:54 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
What was the reasoning for going for E190 instead of B737-600 when CM could have kept fleet commonality with different capacity aircraft models with almost the same range.

The Embraer 190 was more efficient than other 100-seater jets, in terms of fuel consumption: Boeing 737-600, Boeing 717, Sukhoi 100 and Airbus 318,
I've always thought they were cheaper as well.
CM utilized these planes for their low density routes.
From I had read before, the baggage allowable capacity was always an issue against them.
The Covid-19 era only sped the withdrawal plans of their Embraer 190 jets.
Press release related to this topic:

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2020/09/18/copa-airlines-vende-su-flota-embraer-190-para-ajustarse-a-la-demanda-por-pandemia/

Regards.


I have never heard that embraer had baggage problems
For CM, E190 had baggage issues when flown from PTY to NAS/KIN/PAP/STI/GEO/PBM/POS/SXM/BGI/CIX/MAR/VLN/BZE
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:25 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
The Embraer 190 was more efficient than other 100-seater jets, in terms of fuel consumption: Boeing 737-600, Boeing 717, Sukhoi 100 and Airbus 318,
I've always thought they were cheaper as well.
CM utilized these planes for their low density routes.
From I had read before, the baggage allowable capacity was always an issue against them.
The Covid-19 era only sped the withdrawal plans of their Embraer 190 jets.
Press release related to this topic:

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2020/09/18/copa-airlines-vende-su-flota-embraer-190-para-ajustarse-a-la-demanda-por-pandemia/

Regards.


I have never heard that embraer had baggage problems
For CM, E190 had baggage issues when flown from PTY to NAS/KIN/PAP/STI/GEO/PBM/POS/SXM/BGI/CIX/MAR/VLN/BZE

Where did you get this information from? I see alot of caribbean routes.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:49 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:

I have never heard that embraer had baggage problems
For CM, E190 had baggage issues when flown from PTY to NAS/KIN/PAP/STI/GEO/PBM/POS/SXM/BGI/CIX/MAR/VLN/BZE

Where did you get this information from? I see alot of caribbean routes.
Comments from CM PTY check-in staff and Caribbean routes E190 crews.
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:40 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
For CM, E190 had baggage issues when flown from PTY to NAS/KIN/PAP/STI/GEO/PBM/POS/SXM/BGI/CIX/MAR/VLN/BZE

Where did you get this information from? I see alot of caribbean routes.
Comments from CM PTY check-in staff and Caribbean routes E190 crews.

You work for Copa?
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:49 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Where did you get this information from? I see alot of caribbean routes.
Comments from CM PTY check-in staff and Caribbean routes E190 crews.

You work for Copa?
Tourism/Travel related but not CM.
You work for Embraer?
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:06 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Comments from CM PTY check-in staff and Caribbean routes E190 crews.

You work for Copa?
Tourism/Travel related but not CM.
You work for Embraer?

NoI dont.

Embraer claims his aircraft can handle the loads.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:23 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
You work for Copa?
Tourism/Travel related but not CM.
You work for Embraer?

NoI dont.

Embraer claims his aircraft can handle the loads.

“A salesman will never highlight his products’ shortcomings”

The E190 indeed has issues regarding baggage into many of Copa’s Caribbean destinations. It’s a routine complaint I’ve heard from staff (often comparing it their 737s in the process). Caribbean people don’t travel light.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:37 pm

novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Tourism/Travel related but not CM.
You work for Embraer?

NoI dont.

Embraer claims his aircraft can handle the loads.

“A salesman will never highlight his products’ shortcomings”

The E190 indeed has issues regarding baggage into many of Copa’s Caribbean destinations. It’s a routine complaint I’ve heard from staff (often comparing it their 737s in the process). Caribbean people don’t travel light.

If the airline doesnt stipulate a max baggage policy of course your going to leave baggage behind. Maybe CM does cargo too on their flights?
How does the Caribbean embraer and rj operators do it then? There are a few of them with embraer145 and crj200.
Lets not talk about the very light twin otters and beech1900 flying.
How do they cope with the " high load" caribbean baggage??...
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:11 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
NoI dont.

Embraer claims his aircraft can handle the loads.

“A salesman will never highlight his products’ shortcomings”

The E190 indeed has issues regarding baggage into many of Copa’s Caribbean destinations. It’s a routine complaint I’ve heard from staff (often comparing it their 737s in the process). Caribbean people don’t travel light.

If the airline doesnt stipulate a max baggage policy of course your going to leave baggage behind. Maybe CM does cargo too on their flights?
How does the Caribbean embraer and rj operators do it then? There are a few of them with embraer145 and crj200.
Lets not talk about the very light twin otters and beech1900 flying.
How do they cope with the " high load" caribbean baggage??...

If you’re going to make statements like “Doesn’t stipulate a max baggage policy” - please provide a link or other evidence showing such.

Plus there are only a handful of operators in the islands running RJs (only out of the DR and T&C - and for good reason), and like everyone else they cater their policies to suit what the airplanes’ limits are. COPA simply deploys the bigger 737 to baggage/cargo heavy routes.

Regards
N
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:23 pm

novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
“A salesman will never highlight his products’ shortcomings”

The E190 indeed has issues regarding baggage into many of Copa’s Caribbean destinations. It’s a routine complaint I’ve heard from staff (often comparing it their 737s in the process). Caribbean people don’t travel light.

If the airline doesnt stipulate a max baggage policy of course your going to leave baggage behind. Maybe CM does cargo too on their flights?
How does the Caribbean embraer and rj operators do it then? There are a few of them with embraer145 and crj200.
Lets not talk about the very light twin otters and beech1900 flying.
How do they cope with the " high load" caribbean baggage??...

If you’re going to make statements like “Doesn’t stipulate a max baggage policy” - please provide a link or other evidence showing such.

Plus there are only a handful of operators in the islands running RJs (only out of the DR and T&C - and for good reason), and like everyone else they cater their policies to suit what the airplanes’ limits are. COPA simply deploys the bigger 737 to baggage/cargo heavy routes.

Regards
N

Aruba Airlines also has the crj200. And also a bahamas company has the erj145. So not only dr and t&c.
Plus there are plenty of light turboprops and islanders flying which cannot deal with the loads that your mentioning.
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:24 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
If the airline doesnt stipulate a max baggage policy of course your going to leave baggage behind. Maybe CM does cargo too on their flights?
How does the Caribbean embraer and rj operators do it then? There are a few of them with embraer145 and crj200.
Lets not talk about the very light twin otters and beech1900 flying.
How do they cope with the " high load" caribbean baggage??...

If you’re going to make statements like “Doesn’t stipulate a max baggage policy” - please provide a link or other evidence showing such.

Plus there are only a handful of operators in the islands running RJs (only out of the DR and T&C - and for good reason), and like everyone else they cater their policies to suit what the airplanes’ limits are. COPA simply deploys the bigger 737 to baggage/cargo heavy routes.

Regards
N

Aruba Airlines also has the crj200. And also a bahamas company has the erj145. So not only dr and t&c.
Plus there are plenty of light turboprops and islanders flying which cannot deal with the loads that your mentioning.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:37 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
If the airline doesnt stipulate a max baggage policy of course your going to leave baggage behind. Maybe CM does cargo too on their flights?
How does the Caribbean embraer and rj operators do it then? There are a few of them with embraer145 and crj200.
Lets not talk about the very light twin otters and beech1900 flying.
How do they cope with the " high load" caribbean baggage??...

If you’re going to make statements like “Doesn’t stipulate a max baggage policy” - please provide a link or other evidence showing such.

Plus there are only a handful of operators in the islands running RJs (only out of the DR and T&C - and for good reason), and like everyone else they cater their policies to suit what the airplanes’ limits are. COPA simply deploys the bigger 737 to baggage/cargo heavy routes.

Regards
N

Aruba Airlines also has the crj200. And also a bahamas company has the erj145. So not only dr and t&c.
Plus there are plenty of light turboprops and islanders flying which cannot deal with the loads that your mentioning.

Besides the point and venturing into straw man territory at this stage. Not that many RJs flying within the islands - and those that do are low utilization compared to other airplane types. Still haven’t provided evidence of “lack of max baggage policy” regarding COPA either.

The smaller airplanes aren’t as baggage restricted for the missions they fly (and naturally they’ll hold less as they carry less passengers) - the E190 is - as mentioned earlier up this and other threads - making them less favourable floor COPA in this current economic climate.

Won’t be saying anymore here regarding Caribbean carriers and their equipment as that has its own thread and I don’t want to derail this one.
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:51 am

COPA Airlines offered in the past up to two checked bags of 30 kilograms for free. Same on TACA.
The conclusion was that someone traveling on CM had more flexibility to carry more cargo.
However, this baggage allowance policy didn't fit perfectly in their E90s.
I couldn't find accurate sources in order to prove this point, but this hypothesis was extensively commented on this board and it makes sense of logic.
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:20 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
COPA Airlines offered in the past up to two checked bags of 30 kilograms for free. Same on TACA.
The conclusion was that someone traveling on CM had more flexibility to carry more cargo.
However, this baggage allowance policy didn't fit perfectly in their E90s.
I couldn't find accurate sources in order to prove this point, but this hypothesis was extensively commented on this board and it makes sense of logic.


Is it still like that? 2 times 30 kg?
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:21 pm

novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
If you’re going to make statements like “Doesn’t stipulate a max baggage policy” - please provide a link or other evidence showing such.

Plus there are only a handful of operators in the islands running RJs (only out of the DR and T&C - and for good reason), and like everyone else they cater their policies to suit what the airplanes’ limits are. COPA simply deploys the bigger 737 to baggage/cargo heavy routes.

Regards
N

Aruba Airlines also has the crj200. And also a bahamas company has the erj145. So not only dr and t&c.
Plus there are plenty of light turboprops and islanders flying which cannot deal with the loads that your mentioning.

Besides the point and venturing into straw man territory at this stage. Not that many RJs flying within the islands - and those that do are low utilization compared to other airplane types. Still haven’t provided evidence of “lack of max baggage policy” regarding COPA either.

The smaller airplanes aren’t as baggage restricted for the missions they fly (and naturally they’ll hold less as they carry less passengers) - the E190 is - as mentioned earlier up this and other threads - making them less favourable floor COPA in this current economic climate.

Won’t be saying anymore here regarding Caribbean carriers and their equipment as that has its own thread and I don’t want to derail this one.


I just said that if carries put a maximum allowance of baggage kg and size , you wont have the cm embraer problems
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