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juanchito wrote:New routes for United to Central America
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... in-routes/
ORD-GUA - 1 weekly saturdays only
DEN-RTB - 1 weekly saturdays only
SJOtoLIR wrote:UA DEN-RTB would be the first time ever linking these points by means of scheduled flights.
UA DEN-RTB 1x weekly is due to start on December 18th.
Frontier had already announced F9 DEN-BZE 1x weekly and F9 DEN-LIR 1x weekly, by the end of 2021 as well.
UA would launch this brand new route, preventing the possible incursion of any F9 DEN-RTB.
Notice how many new segments has United announced in 2021: UA LAX-SAP, UA ORD-GUA, UA DEN-RTB, UA LAX-SJO, UA LAX-LIR and so on. They're also increasing the weekly frequencies, in thier consolidated routes in the isthmus.
REDHL wrote:Volaris El Salvador has officially received its AOC. It will begin operations on September 15, on the SAL-MEX route.
Subsequently, it will be launching services to CUN and SAP from October 15 and 31, respectively.
avi8 wrote:Which routes are they increasing
LightChop2Chop wrote:IMHO DEN RTB is just UA recognizing that it’s a similar (albeit smaller) market to DEN BZE
SJOtoLIR wrote:status of the non Star Alliance code-share partners on Copa Airlines: GOL, KLM, Air France, Air Europa, Azul and Emirates.
AeroMexico is not listed anymore:
skybird77 wrote:juanchito wrote:New routes for United to Central America
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... in-routes/
ORD-GUA - 1 weekly saturdays only
DEN-RTB - 1 weekly saturdays only
Wow! I never imagined DEN-RTB. I’ve always wondered why no weekly EWR-RTB (even seasonal).
skybird77 wrote:juanchito wrote:New routes for United to Central America
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... in-routes/
ORD-GUA - 1 weekly saturdays only
DEN-RTB - 1 weekly saturdays only
Wow! I never imagined DEN-RTB. I’ve always wondered why no weekly EWR-RTB (even seasonal).
Chele737 wrote:skybird77 wrote:juanchito wrote:New routes for United to Central America
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... in-routes/
ORD-GUA - 1 weekly saturdays only
DEN-RTB - 1 weekly saturdays only
Wow! I never imagined DEN-RTB. I’ve always wondered why no weekly EWR-RTB (even seasonal).
Huge diver's market out of DEN area (maybe time for some cnx), flight will arrive RTB at 3pm LT
skybird77 wrote:RTB will have direct service from MIA (albeit a E-175), IAH, DFW, and ATL.
SJOtoLIR wrote:skybird77 wrote:RTB will have direct service from MIA (albeit a E-175), IAH, DFW, and ATL.
AA DFW-RTB is not operating now.
I ignore if WS YYZ-RTB, TS YYZ-RTB and TS YUL-RTB would be back later.
Regards.
SJOtoLIR wrote:Spirit announces new flights from Miami to Central America:
October 06: NK MIA-GUA. 4x weekly 320
October 07: NK MIA-SAL. 3x weekly. 320
November 17: NK MIA-SAP 7x weekly. 320 Neo
November 17: NK MIA-SJO. 4x weekly 320 Neo
https://www.nlarenas.com/2021/07/spirit-vuelos-desde-miami-hacia-latinoamerica/
LightChop2Chop wrote:Does NK still have a credit card relationship with a bank in Honduras (IIRC Atlantida?). If so, this has to help their visibility there.
2travel2know2 wrote:Given UA expansion in Central America with niche routes, it'd be worth knowing if among those routes US has been studying are:
IAH - FRS Flores/Tikal. Once upon a time flown by Continental. Distance is within UA EMB145/CRJ range.
IAH - LCE La Ceiba. LCE had flights to USA before RTB became a leisure destination. More likely distance still within UA EMB145/CRJ range. However, LCE may not be that attractive being too close to SAP.
IAH - XPL Soto Cano Palmerola Comayagua. Is UA going to move from TGU to XPL ? Operating to XPL would allow UA to offer evening IAH-XPL
IAH - DAV David. DAV has never had scheduled non-stop flights to USA, IMHO, even if the market demand might shift towards MIA, perhaps UA beats CM linking DAV with USA? Distance between DAV and IAH most likely within UA EMB170/175 range, perhaps even of some of UA regional CRJ.
IAH - RIH Río Hato. This one depends a lot if the surrounding hotels and attractions prove to be strong enough to woo UA operating there, as the airport is about 2h30m by car (that's with no/little traffic) from PTY. I'd dare to say that there are times of the day, when people living west of The Panama Canal could get faster to/from RIH than PTY.
EMB170/175 and CRJ might not have the range, B737-700/A319 probably more suitable for that route.
IAH FRS 158° (S) 156° (SE) 964 mi
IAH LCE 149° (SE) 147° (SE) 1,119 mi
IAH XPL 154° (SE) 152° (SE) 1,181 mi
IAH DAV 148° (SE) 146° (SE) 1,705 mi
IAH RIH 143° (SE) 141° (SE) 1,783 mi
(distances from http://www.gcmap.com)
N292UX wrote:I also think we could see B6 add PTY/SAL, NK add routes like MCO-MGA, MSY-SAL, and maybe TPA-SAL/GUA
N292UX wrote:DL MSP-SJO
AA PHL-SJO
AA DFW-PTY
DL LAX-PTY
DL ATL-MGA
AA CLT-PTY
rjbesikof wrote:Does DL still serve MSP-LIR?
N292UX wrote:This one looks like only CM would make it work. AA has failed several times, my guess (among other issues) is that DFW-PTY-DFW wasn't timed to allow immediate connections to/from AA NRT and other Asian flights.2travel2know2 wrote:Given UA expansion in Central America with niche routes, it'd be worth knowing if among those routes US has been studying are:
IAH - FRS Flores/Tikal. Once upon a time flown by Continental. Distance is within UA EMB145/CRJ range.
IAH - LCE La Ceiba. LCE had flights to USA before RTB became a leisure destination. More likely distance still within UA EMB145/CRJ range. However, LCE may not be that attractive being too close to SAP.
IAH - XPL Soto Cano Palmerola Comayagua. Is UA going to move from TGU to XPL ? Operating to XPL would allow UA to offer evening IAH-XPL
IAH - DAV David. DAV has never had scheduled non-stop flights to USA, IMHO, even if the market demand might shift towards MIA, perhaps UA beats CM linking DAV with USA? Distance between DAV and IAH most likely within UA EMB170/175 range, perhaps even of some of UA regional CRJ.
IAH - RIH Río Hato. This one depends a lot if the surrounding hotels and attractions prove to be strong enough to woo UA operating there, as the airport is about 2h30m by car (that's with no/little traffic) from PTY. I'd dare to say that there are times of the day, when people living west of The Panama Canal could get faster to/from RIH than PTY.
EMB170/175 and CRJ might not have the range, B737-700/A319 probably more suitable for that route.
IAH FRS 158° (S) 156° (SE) 964 mi
IAH LCE 149° (SE) 147° (SE) 1,119 mi
IAH XPL 154° (SE) 152° (SE) 1,181 mi
IAH DAV 148° (SE) 146° (SE) 1,705 mi
IAH RIH 143° (SE) 141° (SE) 1,783 mi
(distances from http://www.gcmap.com)
Some of those certainly seem plausible, DAV/XPL both seem like decent possibilities.
Some other routes I could see the US3 adding could be:
DL MSP-SJO
AA PHL-SJO
AA DFW-PTY
If DL wants to do something different in PTY, bring back the evening ATL-PTY and early morning PTY-ATL, at least several days per week. Not really sure if SLC-PTY or DTW-PTY, might work.. maybe November-January only?DL LAX-PTY
Does any of AA regional jets E170/5 have the range for CLT-PTY? We'd see that happening after AA adds another MIA-PTY (dally or not, RJ or not)..DL ATL-MGA
AA CLT-PTY
2travel2know2 wrote:N292UX wrote:This one looks like only CM would make it work. AA has failed several times, my guess (among other issues) is that DFW-PTY-DFW wasn't timed to allow immediate connections to/from AA NRT and other Asian flights.2travel2know2 wrote:Given UA expansion in Central America with niche routes, it'd be worth knowing if among those routes US has been studying are:
IAH - FRS Flores/Tikal. Once upon a time flown by Continental. Distance is within UA EMB145/CRJ range.
IAH - LCE La Ceiba. LCE had flights to USA before RTB became a leisure destination. More likely distance still within UA EMB145/CRJ range. However, LCE may not be that attractive being too close to SAP.
IAH - XPL Soto Cano Palmerola Comayagua. Is UA going to move from TGU to XPL ? Operating to XPL would allow UA to offer evening IAH-XPL
IAH - DAV David. DAV has never had scheduled non-stop flights to USA, IMHO, even if the market demand might shift towards MIA, perhaps UA beats CM linking DAV with USA? Distance between DAV and IAH most likely within UA EMB170/175 range, perhaps even of some of UA regional CRJ.
IAH - RIH Río Hato. This one depends a lot if the surrounding hotels and attractions prove to be strong enough to woo UA operating there, as the airport is about 2h30m by car (that's with no/little traffic) from PTY. I'd dare to say that there are times of the day, when people living west of The Panama Canal could get faster to/from RIH than PTY.
EMB170/175 and CRJ might not have the range, B737-700/A319 probably more suitable for that route.
IAH FRS 158° (S) 156° (SE) 964 mi
IAH LCE 149° (SE) 147° (SE) 1,119 mi
IAH XPL 154° (SE) 152° (SE) 1,181 mi
IAH DAV 148° (SE) 146° (SE) 1,705 mi
IAH RIH 143° (SE) 141° (SE) 1,783 mi
(distances from http://www.gcmap.com)
Some of those certainly seem plausible, DAV/XPL both seem like decent possibilities.
Some other routes I could see the US3 adding could be:
DL MSP-SJO
AA PHL-SJO
AA DFW-PTYIf DL wants to do something different in PTY, bring back the evening ATL-PTY and early morning PTY-ATL, at least several days per week. Not really sure if SLC-PTY or DTW-PTY, might work.. maybe November-January only?DL LAX-PTYDoes any of AA regional jets E170/5 have the range for CLT-PTY? We'd see that happening after AA adds another MIA-PTY (dally or not, RJ or not)..DL ATL-MGA
AA CLT-PTY
IMHO, the key for CLT-PTY success might be what kind of connections and how fast the transfers @ CLT. Also, chances it may work, will be higher November to January.. or U.S. summer time months.. Definitely, thrice or twice weekly may be more than enough.
MGASJO wrote:2travel2know2 wrote:N292UX wrote:This one looks like only CM would make it work. AA has failed several times, my guess (among other issues) is that DFW-PTY-DFW wasn't timed to allow immediate connections to/from AA NRT and other Asian flights.Some of those certainly seem plausible, DAV/XPL both seem like decent possibilities.
Some other routes I could see the US3 adding could be:
DL MSP-SJO
AA PHL-SJO
AA DFW-PTYIf DL wants to do something different in PTY, bring back the evening ATL-PTY and early morning PTY-ATL, at least several days per week. Not really sure if SLC-PTY or DTW-PTY, might work.. maybe November-January only?DL LAX-PTYDoes any of AA regional jets E170/5 have the range for CLT-PTY? We'd see that happening after AA adds another MIA-PTY (dally or not, RJ or not)..DL ATL-MGA
AA CLT-PTY
IMHO, the key for CLT-PTY success might be what kind of connections and how fast the transfers @ CLT. Also, chances it may work, will be higher November to January.. or U.S. summer time months.. Definitely, thrice or twice weekly may be more than enough.
170/175 can do the 1566nm journey. I think only republic has overwater equipped airplanes for the mission
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N292UX wrote:MGASJO wrote:2travel2know2 wrote:This one looks like only CM would make it work. AA has failed several times, my guess (among other issues) is that DFW-PTY-DFW wasn't timed to allow immediate connections to/from AA NRT and other Asian flights.If DL wants to do something different in PTY, bring back the evening ATL-PTY and early morning PTY-ATL, at least several days per week. Not really sure if SLC-PTY or DTW-PTY, might work.. maybe November-January only?Does any of AA regional jets E170/5 have the range for CLT-PTY? We'd see that happening after AA adds another MIA-PTY (dally or not, RJ or not)..
IMHO, the key for CLT-PTY success might be what kind of connections and how fast the transfers @ CLT. Also, chances it may work, will be higher November to January.. or U.S. summer time months.. Definitely, thrice or twice weekly may be more than enough.
170/175 can do the 1566nm journey. I think only republic has overwater equipped airplanes for the mission
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The E175s can make that route, it'd be right up there with longest US3 E175 flights. Don't think it would be the longest though. Pretty sure UA has some longer ones out of ORD and SFO. Though I think AA operates E175 flights from MIA to Colombia, so it wouldn't be unheard of.
LightChop2Chop wrote:Im not even sure the 170/175 needed to be over water equipped if the flew from Mia down past Cuba and down the coast of Central America. You can see land the entire way.
SJOtoLIR wrote:I suggest to check the last inputs as American Eagle on behalf of American Airlines is flying the following routes from Miami with Embraer 170/175 jets.
They're mostly operated over the sea.
Miami - Providenciales: 503nm.
Miami - Merida: 593nm.
Here are some evidences about the E170/175 in these stations:
Nassau
Nassau
SJOtoLIR wrote:I found this source elaborated by European Aviation Safety Agency, in 2007.
They did a comparision between the Embraer 170/175/190/195 series.
The Embraer 190 had been utilized for Copa Airlines in overwater operations, like CM PTY-KIN, CM PTY-MBJ, CM PTY-SJU, CM PTY-SXM, CM PTY-SDQ, CM PTY-PUJ and so on.
I cannot understand why the E90 can do it, but on the contrary, the E 170/75 could get constraints taking into account AA MIA-RTB, AA MIA-PTY and AA MIA-LIR for a while.
Full report: https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... Report.pdf
LightChop2Chop wrote:ATL for CM is a surprise. There are so many other US cities that have a much bigger latin market than ATL. Dallas, Houston, Austin, PHL, PHX etc. IMHO, DL needs the full strength of its Network to fill its ATL PTY flights and even those have struggled. I just don't see this flight working, but I am sure CM has better insight into the market than I do. Perhaps CM's business contracts demand it.
Huge carriers like QR and BA struggle in ATL against DL.
Heck, I probably would have done PTY BNA before I did ATL.
LightChop2Chop wrote:There has been a rise in Venezuela - Atlanta traffic recently, albeit, surely that's not the main reason why CM is to start ATL.ATL for CM is a surprise. There are so many other US cities that have a much bigger latin market than ATL. Dallas, Houston, Austin, PHL, PHX etc. IMHO, DL needs the full strength of its Network to fill its ATL PTY flights and even those have struggled. I just don't see this flight working, but I am sure CM has better insight into the market than I do. Perhaps CM's business contracts demand it.
Those airlines have to fill wide-bodies.. and fly daily.. CM doesn't have that pressure.Huge carriers like QR and BA struggle in ATL against DL.
CM might do well in DFW, HOU, AUS, PHL and PHX. IMHO, PTY-RDU or PTY-STL do have more potential than PTY-BNA.Heck, I probably would have done PTY BNA before I did ATL.
REDHL wrote:Sad to see MSY out of CM network.. That's one of CM getting rid of E190 victims.. and CM evening PTY-MSY, morning MSY-PTY didn't help either.. IMHO, PTY-MSY daytime rotations only Mondays and Fridays could work.And in other news, after almost 6 years of its launch, Copa will not resume its flights to MSY due to relatively low seat load factors.
REDHL wrote:Copa will not resume its flights to MSY due to relatively low seat load factors.