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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 3:27 am

PHX-BUR has been loaded in the schedule
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 3:29 am

LAXintl wrote:
Per media release will announce service at Burbank on Thursday.


Now showing up on their bookings.

BUR-DEN
BUR-PHX (more Avelo competition)
BUR-LAS
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 3:48 am

Ishrion wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Per media release will announce service at Burbank on Thursday.


Now showing up on their bookings.

BUR-DEN
BUR-PHX (more Avelo competition)
BUR-LAS


DEN expected, especially after UA cut down to only 1x, but more LAS and PHX? Would loved to have seen ABQ, RNO, SAT or somewhere unserved.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 1:00 pm

RNO would have been a better market imho. Better to be the only flight to a smaller city then one of many to las. Especially for the off days of the week
 
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Thu May 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Burbank effective July 15 to DEN, LAX and PHX

Also adding ONT-ATL for summer.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 4:39 pm

I like the additions. BUR has seen a sharp decline in service by the other airlines so great opportunity by F9 to take advantage. Also I think it might be a slight jab at Avelo as well, going into their only base to compete with them.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 4:17 pm

Frontier Group Holdings reported 1Q 2021 numbers. Total operating revenues down 50% to US$271 million, with net loss of $91 million.

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/news-release ... arter-2021
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 5:01 pm

Any news on how the Central America flights are doing? I wonder if they will ever increase to more than 3 weekly.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 6:47 pm

For a airline their size and "network", there is much to be desired with these Q1 results. Now that they are public is shows they aren't immune to market whims like people thought before they went public. Unlike many other carriers, they don't really have a sizeable enough station with as many flights to really be a market leader, most of their stations they are bottom tier which means they rarely if any have much pricing power if any at all throughout their network. ORD,DFW,LAS,EWR all were attempted to be started up then quickly pulled down as soon as competition heated up. Now they are chomping at the bit at MIA which now WN and B6 came in and already pretty much surpassed them in flights. MCO and DEN are the only ones they have a decent market share but they are still not a market leader or control any pricing power in those markets especially DEN with UA and WN grabbing up market share more than before. I still think now they have gone public, they have a pricetag. B6 supposedly approached F9 a couple years ago, but the price wasn't worth it for them, and that was a when the market was good pre covid. It may be different now.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 10:20 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Frontier Group Holdings reported 1Q 2021 numbers. Total operating revenues down 50% to US$271 million, with net loss of $91 million.

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/news-release ... arter-2021


Abeam79 wrote:
For a airline their size and "network", there is much to be desired with these Q1 results. Now that they are public is shows they aren't immune to market whims like people thought before they went public. Unlike many other carriers, they don't really have a sizeable enough station with as many flights to really be a market leader, most of their stations they are bottom tier which means they rarely if any have much pricing power if any at all throughout their network. ORD,DFW,LAS,EWR all were attempted to be started up then quickly pulled down as soon as competition heated up. Now they are chomping at the bit at MIA which now WN and B6 came in and already pretty much surpassed them in flights. MCO and DEN are the only ones they have a decent market share but they are still not a market leader or control any pricing power in those markets especially DEN with UA and WN grabbing up market share more than before. I still think now they have gone public, they have a pricetag. B6 supposedly approached F9 a couple years ago, but the price wasn't worth it for them, and that was a when the market was good pre covid. It may be different now.


Meanwhile, over at Southwest, the industry's "model" of a well run, financially sound airline...

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 74465.html

First quarter 2021 total operating expenses decreased 57.3 percent, year-over-year, to $1.9 billion. Excluding special items, first quarter 2021 operating expenses decreased 23.5 percent, year-over-year, to $3.3 billion. Total operating expenses per ASM (CASM, or unit costs) decreased 34.9 percent, compared with first quarter 2020. Excluding special items, first quarter 2021 CASM increased 16.7 percent, year-over-year.


And over at Spirit, Frontier's ULCC airbus-flying competitor....

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 74189.html

Total operating revenues for the first quarter 2021 were $461.3 million, a decrease of 40.2 percent


The first quarter of 2021 is tough for everybody, post-COVID

Remember, Q1 2020 was the last "pre-COVID" quarter or at least the last quarter that had some remnants of normal travel. Then the world ended March 2020.
 
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Sat May 15, 2021 8:27 am

B350pilot wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Frontier Group Holdings reported 1Q 2021 numbers. Total operating revenues down 50% to US$271 million, with net loss of $91 million.

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/news-release ... arter-2021


Abeam79 wrote:
For a airline their size and "network", there is much to be desired with these Q1 results. Now that they are public is shows they aren't immune to market whims like people thought before they went public. Unlike many other carriers, they don't really have a sizeable enough station with as many flights to really be a market leader, most of their stations they are bottom tier which means they rarely if any have much pricing power if any at all throughout their network. ORD,DFW,LAS,EWR all were attempted to be started up then quickly pulled down as soon as competition heated up. Now they are chomping at the bit at MIA which now WN and B6 came in and already pretty much surpassed them in flights. MCO and DEN are the only ones they have a decent market share but they are still not a market leader or control any pricing power in those markets especially DEN with UA and WN grabbing up market share more than before. I still think now they have gone public, they have a pricetag. B6 supposedly approached F9 a couple years ago, but the price wasn't worth it for them, and that was a when the market was good pre covid. It may be different now.


Meanwhile, over at Southwest, the industry's "model" of a well run, financially sound airline...

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 74465.html

First quarter 2021 total operating expenses decreased 57.3 percent, year-over-year, to $1.9 billion. Excluding special items, first quarter 2021 operating expenses decreased 23.5 percent, year-over-year, to $3.3 billion. Total operating expenses per ASM (CASM, or unit costs) decreased 34.9 percent, compared with first quarter 2020. Excluding special items, first quarter 2021 CASM increased 16.7 percent, year-over-year.


And over at Spirit, Frontier's ULCC airbus-flying competitor....

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 74189.html

Total operating revenues for the first quarter 2021 were $461.3 million, a decrease of 40.2 percent


The first quarter of 2021 is tough for everybody, post-COVID

Remember, Q1 2020 was the last "pre-COVID" quarter or at least the last quarter that had some remnants of normal travel. Then the world ended March 2020.


Of course Southwest’s revenues would be down more significantly than Spirit or Frontier by percentage. That’s a given considering the fare premiums they could afford charging over the ULCC’s. Despite having to lower fares to rock bottom prices to compete with the ULCCs during the economic downturn, they still managed a profit for Q1. Most ULCC carriers didn’t post a profit despite their lower costs. Sun Country was the only ULCC to post a profit for Q1, but that was also largely due to their Amazon freight contract (which is really what has helped keep them going during Covid).
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 5:25 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
Sun Country was the only ULCC to post a profit for Q1, but that was also largely due to their Amazon freight contract (which is really what has helped keep them going during Covid).

Allegiant also posted a profit for Q1.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 6:01 pm

In sum, basically every 121 airline has had a bad Q1 2021.

We also know that business travel, and international travel, has been slow to return, while domestic leisure and "pent up demand travel" is coming back.

Of the legacy Big-3's, Delta is often considered to be the most well run, here are their results:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 69805.html

Adjusted pre-tax loss of $2.9 billion excludes $1.2 billion of benefit related to the first payroll support program extension (PSP2), which is partially offset among other items by the debt extinguishment charges incurred when prepaying our $1.5 billion slots, gates and routes term loan
Adjusted operating revenue of $3.6 billion declined 65 percent on 55 percent lower sellable capacity (see Note A) versus March quarter 2019


the leisure customer is the bread and butter of the ULCC's.

staying positive for the industry...

all of 2021 will be recovery, for everybody. 2021 is already half-over, basically.

This year everybody will be happy to get off the bottom of the quicksand swamp and will be swimming to shore. 2022 and forward will be a better yardstick on "who is doing better" than the other guy.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 12:13 pm

Does Frontier still plan to open the flight attendant base in Newark? Thanks.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 12:40 pm

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Does Frontier still plan to open the flight attendant base in Newark? Thanks.


They swear yes but still cut back flights every so often. Very frustrating for passengers. Some employees at the airport said the other day that the flights were filling up regularly, even the ones they now suspended.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 12:51 pm

Interesting. Thank you.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 5:09 pm

ULCC watchers may be interested in this May 25 investor presentation, attended by Frontier, Spirit, Sun Country, Allegiant:

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/news-and-events/events
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 5:46 pm

Based off this photo from today's F9 crew base announcement, looks like TPA-BOI is coming:

https://twitter.com/FlyFrontier/status/ ... 73/photo/1
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 5:49 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Based off this photo from today's F9 crew base announcement, looks like TPA-BOI is coming:

https://twitter.com/FlyFrontier/status/ ... 73/photo/1

I’m assume would shall see announcement form the soon if they literally put it on the route map, should be interesting there’s a lot demand to MCO from BOI this route is out of left field for sure
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 6:19 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Based off this photo from today's F9 crew base announcement, looks like TPA-BOI is coming:

https://twitter.com/FlyFrontier/status/ ... 73/photo/1

What a strange route. I'd think MCO-BOI would have came first.
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm

Wneast wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Based off this photo from today's F9 crew base announcement, looks like TPA-BOI is coming:

https://twitter.com/FlyFrontier/status/ ... 73/photo/1

I’m assume would shall see announcement form the soon if they literally put it on the route map, should be interesting there’s a lot demand to MCO from BOI this route is out of left field for sure

I do find it interesting how they decided to announce their crew base intentions before any new routes.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm

AC4500 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Based off this photo from today's F9 crew base announcement, looks like TPA-BOI is coming:

https://twitter.com/FlyFrontier/status/ ... 73/photo/1

What a strange route. I'd think MCO-BOI would have came first.

That’s what I would have thought to especially with the passengers going MCO-BOI is way more it could also be though they were opening the pilot base in tampa so there could be more routes coming, I would imagine we see a few more routes even it’s not from TPA
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 6:27 pm

TPA said that was a error but I don’t see how that just happen, I think it’s because TPA can’t confirm the route
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm

Wneast wrote:
TPA said that was a error but I don’t see how that just happen, I think it’s because TPA can’t confirm the route


"Just an error"

2 days later: "TPA-BOI confirmed!"
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 6:43 pm

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TPA said that was a error but I don’t see how that just happens


A very obvious "error"
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 6:46 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
TPA said that was a error but I don’t see how that just happen, I think it’s because TPA can’t confirm the route


"Just an error"

2 days later: "TPA-BOI confirmed!"

That’s what I’m thinking and I just tweeted frontier and the said starting June 9th but then I look and there no non stop could you not book from TPA to BOI before it has to be happening they leaked it
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Wneast wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
TPA said that was a error but I don’t see how that just happen, I think it’s because TPA can’t confirm the route


"Just an error"

2 days later: "TPA-BOI confirmed!"

That’s what I’m thinking and I just tweeted frontier and the said starting June 9th but then I look and there no non stop could you not book from TPA to BOI before it has to be happening they leaked it



That is when 'flights' start, but as a overnight connection via DEN
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:

"Just an error"

2 days later: "TPA-BOI confirmed!"

That’s what I’m thinking and I just tweeted frontier and the said starting June 9th but then I look and there no non stop could you not book from TPA to BOI before it has to be happening they leaked it



That is when 'flights' start, but as a overnight connection via DEN

So are you thinking they are going to load in a non stop ?
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 7:11 pm

Lol, yeah they can't even get DEN done right from BOI. Can't imagine them even trying anything else from there.
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Wed May 26, 2021 12:30 am

sprxUSA wrote:
Lol, yeah they can't even get DEN done right from BOI. Can't imagine them even trying anything else from there.


It amazes me that Provo, Utah (via PIE) and Boise, Idaho (presumably) have a non-stop to Tampa, but Portland doesn't?
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 1:58 am

flyoregon wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Lol, yeah they can't even get DEN done right from BOI. Can't imagine them even trying anything else from there.


It amazes me that Provo, Utah (via PIE) and Boise, Idaho (presumably) have a non-stop to Tampa, but Portland doesn't?

These and ONT-ATL are what, at least four hour flights, no? Hey great that they’re in the market offering people what they want. I’d rather shove bamboo under my fingernails than try to endure that amount of time in F9/NK/G4.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed May 26, 2021 2:21 am

luckyone wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Lol, yeah they can't even get DEN done right from BOI. Can't imagine them even trying anything else from there.


It amazes me that Provo, Utah (via PIE) and Boise, Idaho (presumably) have a non-stop to Tampa, but Portland doesn't?

These and ONT-ATL are what, at least four hour flights, no? Hey great that they’re in the market offering people what they want. I’d rather shove bamboo under my fingernails than try to endure that amount of time in F9/NK/G4.

With you. I’m not sitting on a plastic lawn chair for any 4+ hour flight.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:39 am

flyoregon wrote:
It amazes me that Provo, Utah (via PIE) and Boise, Idaho (presumably) have a non-stop to Tampa, but Portland doesn't?


AS has added PDX-TPA nonstop service, which is already being discussed at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1461657.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:59 pm

alohashirts wrote:
luckyone wrote:
flyoregon wrote:

It amazes me that Provo, Utah (via PIE) and Boise, Idaho (presumably) have a non-stop to Tampa, but Portland doesn't?

These and ONT-ATL are what, at least four hour flights, no? Hey great that they’re in the market offering people what they want. I’d rather shove bamboo under my fingernails than try to endure that amount of time in F9/NK/G4.

With you. I’m not sitting on a plastic lawn chair for any 4+ hour flight.

And yet these airlines generate cash. As noted, they offer what people want (low price). I don't understand, I used to sit on concrete at football games and survived, the seats cannot be as bad as that.

I suspect the ULCC of no hotels prevent Portland to Tampa. It might run past 11 hours of crew duty too often. Although I would have predicted some of those routes are too far. Those crews will bill the hours.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:01 pm

lightsaber wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
luckyone wrote:
These and ONT-ATL are what, at least four hour flights, no? Hey great that they’re in the market offering people what they want. I’d rather shove bamboo under my fingernails than try to endure that amount of time in F9/NK/G4.

With you. I’m not sitting on a plastic lawn chair for any 4+ hour flight.

And yet these airlines generate cash. As noted, they offer what people want (low price). I don't understand, I used to sit on concrete at football games and survived, the seats cannot be as bad as that.

I suspect the ULCC of no hotels prevent Portland to Tampa. It might run past 11 hours of crew duty too often. Although I would have predicted some of those routes are too far. Those crews will bill the hours.

Lightsaber

You also probably stood up quite a bit more during a football game.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:39 pm

Lots of talk that EWR build up is coming next year. Anyone have anything on this?
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:21 pm

Wneast wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
That’s what I’m thinking and I just tweeted frontier and the said starting June 9th but then I look and there no non stop could you not book from TPA to BOI before it has to be happening they leaked it



That is when 'flights' start, but as a overnight connection via DEN

So are you thinking they are going to load in a non stop ?

My theory on this is that both the BOI-DEN and DEN-TPA flight legs share the same exact flight number, so they're considered a "direct one-stop flight". This sort of strategy is more common with WN then any other airline, though. If that is the case, then it's a bit misleading to show that to unsuspecting customers who don't know about this discrepancy on the route map.
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:17 pm

Well, a quick check finds that for 10/14, they show flt 374 BOI-DEN 1412-1603 then flt 290, on 10/15 DEN-TPA 0740-1318. Nice 15+ hour layover, all for only $380 LOL.
Return is better, just under 12 hour layover and $5 less.....
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:22 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
Well, a quick check finds that for 10/14, they show flt 374 BOI-DEN 1412-1603 then flt 290, on 10/15 DEN-TPA 0740-1318. Nice 15+ hour layover, all for only $380 LOL.
Return is better, just under 12 hour layover and $5 less.....

I think a non stop is coming they just put it on there route map before they announced it. You wouldn’t have a thing showing that if it wasn’t a non stop from there
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:30 pm

Any news on potential new routes from Trenton? A few years ago they were trying routes left and right from TTN.

Pretty much just Florida and the Carolinas these days.
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:44 pm

NJFlyer27 wrote:
Any news on potential new routes from Trenton? A few years ago they were trying routes left and right from TTN.

Pretty much just Florida and the Carolinas these days.


The flights that they do have are filling though. Happy they are bringing the second MCO back. What are they down to now, just TTN-ATL/CLT/CHS/MCO/MIA/SRQ/ORD/TPA/PBI?
SAV/MSY/BNA/DTW/DFW(if in range)/JAX/CLE all make sense to bring back or start. I hope they get the ball rolling soon!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:37 pm

https://www.ajc.com/news/business/front ... 6LM2DSV5U/
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... w-airport/

ATL-BWI/CUN/DTW/IAH/MBJ/MSY/ORD/PBI/STL
DFW-BDL/BUF/DRO/PHX/SAN/SFO/TPA

Quite the expansion.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:45 pm

F9 also added LAS-DSM/FSD/HRL/MSP/MSY.

Link to full route expansion article: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... las-vegas/

Pardon the double post.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:49 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
F9 also added LAS-DSM/FSD/HRL/MSP/MSY.

Link to full route expansion article: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... las-vegas/

Pardon the double post.


I’m really surprised G4 hasn’t really retaliated in Vegas yet… it’s got to be only a matter of time. FSD/DSM-LAS are their bread and butter, and like the last round of F9’s Vegas expansion, they’re going right at them
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:45 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
https://www.ajc.com/news/business/frontier-airlines-to-expand-in-atlanta-include-international-flights/JWHXAIVCPVFWJB6TB6LM2DSV5U/
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... w-airport/

DFW-BDL/BUF/DRO/PHX/SAN/SFO/TPA


WN adding DAL-BDL/BUF/CVG nonstop service and re-adding DAL-SFO nonstop service are possibilities in response to the recent F9 adds made out of DFW. WN also has more room at DAL to add additional flights than it did prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN also already has significant market share in the BDL and BUF markets along with the longstanding WN presence in both markets and established FF bases in both markets to support DAL-BDL/BUF nonstop service. DFW-BDL was also one of the top domestic routes (by PDEW's) without nonstop competition prior to F9 adding DFW-BDL nonstop service.

In addition to CVG being one of the top remaining WN domestic destinations without nonstop service from DAL, CVG is also a business destination for some WN employees who work at DAL with WN having its headquarters at DAL and with CFM International (who is the supplier of the engines for WN's 737 NG and 737 MAX planes) being headquartered in Cincinnati. There are also fewer connecting options between CVG and DAL than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with the significant cuts that WN has made on CVG-MDW nonstop service during the pandemic. CVG also has much higher PDEW's from the DFW/DAL market (at least prior to the pandemic) than most of the other markets that WN doesn't currently serves nonstop from DAL.

While F9 was bigger at CVG than WN prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, WN will likely be bigger than F9 at CVG (at least by number of daily departures) once more WN CVG-BWI/MDW nonstop flights return. F9 also has a much smaller presence at CVG than it did prior to the pandemic with F9 having permanently dropped CVG-AUS/JAX/LAX/MSP/PHX/RDU/SAN/SFO nonstop service.

WN will likely have a stronger advantage than F9 on CVG-DAL than it did prior to the pandemic with the bigger WN presence at CVG (especially with the CVG-RSW/HOU/SRQ adds and CVG-MCO/TPA service increases) and smaller F9 presence at CVG.

I would probably expect WN to respond to the recent F9 expansion at DFW, especially with WN having more room at DAL to do so than it did prior to the pandemic. WN also has more than enough room at DAL to add more Saturday flights out of DAL as WN had fewer daily departures out of DAL on Saturdays than it did on weekdays or Sundays (even prior to the pandemic).
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:02 pm

Now that F9 has plans to operate international flights out of ATL, will they have to get ticketing/check in space at the International Terminal? Also, the route expansion got me thinking about how F9 currently operates out of ATL by using Concourses D and E. Do you guys think that F9 will consider having their entire ATL operation out of Concourse E? From what I know, B6 is doing just that.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:56 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
Now that F9 has plans to operate international flights out of ATL, will they have to get ticketing/check in space at the International Terminal?.


No. The U.S. does not have exit immigration. Frontier flights only need to arrive at an international gate. They can depart from whereever.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:04 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I seem to get the feeling more and more that F9 and NK are aiming at WN routes…..


There are some domestic routes not served nonstop by WN out of DAL that are served nonstop from DFW by F9 or NK such as DFW-BUF/CVG/DRO/BDL/EWR/SFO on F9 and DFW-DTW on NK.

WN does offer connections to BUF, CVG, DTW, BDL, and SFO from DAL, and AA does serve BUF, CVG, DTW, DRO, BDL, EWR, and SFO nonstop from DFW.

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