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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:28 am

dutchspotter1 wrote:
It's the old Xtra Airways if I'm not mistaken.

You are correct...
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:43 am

Does anyone see the big four carriers entering AZA in the future even its three too five years down the road I would think they would come there eventually?
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 am

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Does anyone see the big four carriers entering AZA in the future even its three too five years down the road I would think they would come there eventually?


I only really could see DL and AA entering (to SLC and DFW respectively), PHX is just truly so well centered in the valley that AZA's best catchment area is just the southeastern most portion of the valley. I could see DL doing 2-3x RJs per day and AA operating some random mix of equipment to DFW to open up some more local PHX-DFW seats for the rest of the valley.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:56 am

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Wneast wrote:
Does anyone see the big four carriers entering AZA in the future even its three too five years down the road I would think they would come there eventually?


I only really could see DL and AA entering (to SLC and DFW respectively), PHX is just truly so well centered in the valley that AZA's best catchment area is just the southeastern most portion of the valley. I could see DL doing 2-3x RJs per day and AA operating some random mix of equipment to DFW to open up some more local PHX-DFW seats for the rest of the valley.

I know that it won’t be tell at least 2030 but I’m surprise they said they could have 60 gates there so idk for who
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:16 am

With WN adding IAH and ORD (2 other big focus city markets with HOU and MDW) is there any chance WN could go to AZA with nonstops to DEN, LAS, LAX, MDW, and OAK?
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:22 am

Vctony wrote:
With WN adding IAH and ORD (2 other big focus city markets with HOU and MDW) is there any chance WN could go to AZA with nonstops to DEN, LAS, LAX, MDW, and OAK?

To me that what wouldn’t be out of the question but who knows it wouldn’t happen if it weren’t the pandemic
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:29 am

I am sorry for the fuzzy memory but a few years ago there was a lot of discussion about AA and WN moving some flights out to AZA and the conclusion was that they wouldn't really gain anything having to duplicate operations in both airports. I think at the moment AA and WN don't really have a lot of competition out of AZA. It could change in the future but I don't see it happening in the next 5 years.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:49 pm

910A wrote:
dutchspotter1 wrote:
It's the old Xtra Airways if I'm not mistaken.

You are correct...

I think they just bought the AOC, but it is a new company. That's the fast track to your very own airline. I'm assuming they're the same airplanes too. 3 738s to start with another one coming online shortly. They're even going to fly with the "Casino Express" callsign. It makes sense they'd add IWA though — Andrew Levy was at Allegiant for years.

Wneast wrote:
Does anyone see the big four carriers entering AZA in the future even its three too five years down the road I would think they would come there eventually?

There have been rumors of UA/DL/AA/WN coming to IWA for over a decade, but it never materializes for all the same reasons. There have been rumors of express flights to SoCal, Salt Lake, or Chicago, but the lack of facilities and splitting ops in Phoenix has always been the issue. When I was in college, I took a class from the former deputy director at the airport. He said the issue they faced in trying to lure new carriers (at the time they were campaigning hard for Virgin America) was not having a purpose built terminal. They couldn't justify building one until they had more permanent tenants, obviously. Snagging Frontier and Spirit looked like maybe they had overcome those issues, but their service was short lived. Getting Canadian service has been a big step, but I think they still have a ways to go before they can convince a US4 carrier that a split operation in Phoenix can be profitable. I think WN is probably the liker candidate, but until IWA builds some more permanent facilities, it's going to be an uphill climb. PHX isn't congested, there's room for growth, and it's centrally located...that's hard to argue with. Yes, people can talk about catchment areas all day long, but if the argument was so compelling, it would have happened already. Frontier ran a split op for about a year before giving up.

I think IWA has a bright future in cargo ops since capacity is limited by ramp space at PHX. PHX has future plans to build more on the north side, but there's an opening for IWA in cargo, specifically with Amazon. Not being as centrally located isn't as big of an issue as it relates to cargo.

In either case, Mesa is going to need to pony up some big money for new facilities, which it seems the city hasn't yet been willing to do. To be fair, it is a big risk. At least the decrepit tower is finally being replaced, but that's in no small part due to federal grants. Until the city lays out the cash for new facilities, they'll be stuck in the same conundrum as they've been in for close to 15 years. Fact is, it's tough to spend $500 million on a new terminal with only one real tenant, and Allegiant's threat to jump ship to PHX a few years ago won't have inspired much confidence.

Until the status quo changes, it's likely to be relatively status quo for the foreseeable future. Airlines like Avelo will come and go, and Allegiant will continue to plug away as effectively the owner of that airport.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:33 pm

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Fact is, it's tough to spend $500 million on a new terminal with only one real tenant,


I agree with all you said, but particularly this piece. The saying "build it and they will come" I think we all know doesn't work very well in this business. Witness Mirabel at Montreal. I think your idea about IWA being used for cargo more heavily, particularly by Amazon, sounds both logical and promising.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:16 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
I think IWA has a bright future in cargo ops since capacity is limited by ramp space at PHX. PHX has future plans to build more on the north side, but there's an opening for IWA in cargo, specifically with Amazon. Not being as centrally located isn't as big of an issue as it relates to cargo.


I think the window for Gateway to play any large role in the Amazon network is closing quickly and will be closed in the next 3-5 years. Amazon is setting the valley operations to be pretty centralized along the 10 and PHX provides that access. With East Cargo actually being available for Cargo operations again shortly (as opposed to spare aircraft parking), Amazon has the opportunity to up the flights into PHX and once the cargo flows are setup, there is limited reason to change them, particularly when it means a longer distance to every single distribution center in the valley.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:31 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
910A wrote:
dutchspotter1 wrote:
It's the old Xtra Airways if I'm not mistaken.

You are correct...

I think they just bought the AOC, but it is a new company. That's the fast track to your very own airline. I'm assuming they're the same airplanes too. 3 738s to start with another one coming online shortly. They're even going to fly with the "Casino Express" callsign. It makes sense they'd add IWA though — Andrew Levy was at Allegiant for years.


You can buy an airline, but you can't buy an "AOC" (which we don't have in the US). Xtra was sold in 2018, but has been running charters (such as for college sports) up until a month ago.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:00 pm

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I think the window for Gateway to play any large role in the Amazon network is closing quickly and will be closed in the next 3-5 years. Amazon is setting the valley operations to be pretty centralized along the 10 and PHX provides that access. With East Cargo actually being available for Cargo operations again shortly (as opposed to spare aircraft parking), Amazon has the opportunity to up the flights into PHX and once the cargo flows are setup, there is limited reason to change them, particularly when it means a longer distance to every single distribution center in the valley.

I'm not sure I'd agree, at least not in the long term. When east and west cargo are closed and move to the new north complex, it doesn't look to me like it'll be able to absorb that much more growth. At that point, PHX will be maxed out for cargo. IWA is the only other airport in the valley with room for growth and the basic infrastructure to handle it. Maybe the opportunity for IWA in the near term is limited, but there will be other opportunities in the future. Amazon and other logistics companies certainly won't be getting any smaller.

MO11 wrote:
You can buy an airline, but you can't buy an "AOC" (which we don't have in the US). Xtra was sold in 2018, but has been running charters (such as for college sports) up until a month ago.

The FAA still refers to it as operating certificates. Obviously the intent for a new company is to buy an airline holding an operating certificate for the purposes of obtaining the certificate. I didn't see the need to elaborate further, because that wasn't the point of my post.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:06 am

IMHO as far as cargo goes GYR could play a big role at Amazon. There is room and Amazon has quite a few distribution facilities on the west side. They could eliminate some of the central Phoenix traffic hassle by coming from the west to buckeye road centers. It could also work for the LA line haul trucking.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm

travaz wrote:
IMHO as far as cargo goes GYR could play a big role at Amazon. There is room and Amazon has quite a few distribution facilities on the west side. They could eliminate some of the central Phoenix traffic hassle by coming from the west to buckeye road centers. It could also work for the LA line haul trucking.


Except for possibly one thing, to my mind...GYR's runway is just 8,500 ft. long, which might be a bit tight for a fully loaded widebody freighter, at least during the hot months. I could be wrong.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:12 pm

I was under the impression that Amazon limited by volume more that max weight. I could be wrong as its a wag. The 737 could use it for sure but i dont think the 73 would be very beneficial.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:35 pm

cathay747 wrote:
travaz wrote:
IMHO as far as cargo goes GYR could play a big role at Amazon. There is room and Amazon has quite a few distribution facilities on the west side. They could eliminate some of the central Phoenix traffic hassle by coming from the west to buckeye road centers. It could also work for the LA line haul trucking.


Except for possibly one thing, to my mind...GYR's runway is just 8,500 ft. long, which might be a bit tight for a fully loaded widebody freighter, at least during the hot months. I could be wrong.


A 767 going domestically should be okay with an 8500' runway, even on the hottest of days. They are volume limited as opposed to weight limited (although Amazon's overall average weight per ULD is slightly greater than FedEx and UPS from what I've gathered due to less wasted room from inefficient packaging). It would be interesting to see them choose GYR and I think that would benefit them more in the long run than IWA would.
 
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There have been rumors of UA/DL/AA/WN coming to IWA for over a decade, but it never materializes for all the same reasons. There have been rumors of express flights to SoCal, Salt Lake, or Chicago, but the lack of facilities and splitting ops in Phoenix has always been the issue. When I was in college, I took a class from the former deputy director at the airport. He said the issue they faced in trying to lure new carriers (at the time they were campaigning hard for Virgin America) was not having a purpose built terminal. They couldn't justify building one until they had more permanent tenants, obviously. Snagging Frontier and Spirit looked like maybe they had overcome those issues, but their service was short lived. Getting Canadian service has been a big step, but I think they still have a ways to go before they can convince a US4 carrier that a split operation in Phoenix can be profitable. I think WN is probably the liker candidate, but until IWA builds some more permanent facilities, it's going to be an uphill climb. PHX isn't congested, there's room for growth, and it's centrally located...that's hard to argue with. Yes, people can talk about catchment areas all day long, but if the argument was so compelling, it would have happened already. Frontier ran a split op for about a year before giving up.


Vctony wrote:
With WN adding IAH and ORD (2 other big focus city markets with HOU and MDW) is there any chance WN could go to AZA with nonstops to DEN, LAS, LAX, MDW, and OAK?


I agree that WN adding AZA-DEN/LAS/LAX/MDW/OAK nonstop service would probably happen if WN adds service to AZA with DEN, LAS, LAX, MDW, and OAK being top destinations traveled to from PHX on WN.

If WN does add service to AZA, I would also likely expect WN to add nonstop service to DAL, HOU, SMF, and SAN from AZA in addition to DEN, LAS, LAX, MDW, and OAK with DAL, HOU, SMF, and SAN being top destinations traveled to from PHX on WN.

WN does not currently need a split operation at PHX as WN will have more room to expand at PHX with the construction of additional gates in Terminal 4 at PHX. WN also already has nonstop or 1-stop connecting service to almost all of its destinations from PHX. Most of WN's customer base is also aware that WN already serves PHX, and WN has been serving PHX for over 39 years.
 
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alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
travaz wrote:
IMHO as far as cargo goes GYR could play a big role at Amazon. There is room and Amazon has quite a few distribution facilities on the west side. They could eliminate some of the central Phoenix traffic hassle by coming from the west to buckeye road centers. It could also work for the LA line haul trucking.


Except for possibly one thing, to my mind...GYR's runway is just 8,500 ft. long, which might be a bit tight for a fully loaded widebody freighter, at least during the hot months. I could be wrong.


A 767 going domestically should be okay with an 8500' runway, even on the hottest of days. They are volume limited as opposed to weight limited (although Amazon's overall average weight per ULD is slightly greater than FedEx and UPS from what I've gathered due to less wasted room from inefficient packaging). It would be interesting to see them choose GYR and I think that would benefit them more in the long run than IWA would.

8500' shouldn't be an issue, particularly when most cargo movements are at night. Just as an example, Prime has quite a few 763 ops from Richmond — the longer of those two runways is 9,000ft. That said, it would never even be a factor at IWA. Presumably there are compelling arguments for both.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:18 am

atcsundevil wrote:
910A wrote:
dutchspotter1 wrote:
It's the old Xtra Airways if I'm not mistaken.

You are correct...

I think they just bought the AOC, but it is a new company. That's the fast track to your very own airline. I'm assuming they're the same airplanes too. 3 738s to start with another one coming online shortly. They're even going to fly with the "Casino Express" callsign. It makes sense they'd add IWA though — Andrew Levy was at Allegiant for years.


Xtra flew under 'Casino Express' because the new management that took over were already working for the company, and well, it fit their business model. But as far as current events... you might want to doublecheck your sources.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VXP9802
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:04 pm

Goldenshield wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
910A wrote:
You are correct...

I think they just bought the AOC, but it is a new company. That's the fast track to your very own airline. I'm assuming they're the same airplanes too. 3 738s to start with another one coming online shortly. They're even going to fly with the "Casino Express" callsign. It makes sense they'd add IWA though — Andrew Levy was at Allegiant for years.


Xtra flew under 'Casino Express' because the new management that took over were already working for the company, and well, it fit their business model. But as far as current events... you might want to doublecheck your sources.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VXP9802

Cool... It was still listed as Casino Express until recently. I work on the east coast, so it's not like I go out of my way to frequently check on obscure callsigns I'll likely never see to see if they've changed.
 
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I have a friend of mine that is out of PHX with WN that got his 737 type on Casino Express many , many years ago.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:48 pm

Thanks for the replies to both alasizon and atcsundevil...interesting input. I hadn't thought of the weight vs. volume issue. God knows that GYR would be easier for them logistically given their facilities in Tolleson and Goodyear, a lot less trucking from plane to/from warehouse.
 
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:32 pm

It appears Sun Country will start seasonal AZA-MSP four weekly from 11/24. In addition AZA-TUS shows as a drop down option but no flights available.

Per suncountry.com
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:17 am

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It appears Sun Country will start seasonal AZA-MSP four weekly from 11/24. In addition AZA-TUS shows as a drop down option but no flights available.

Per suncountry.com


This will be interesting...are they pulling out of Sky Harbor or will they do dual airports like WestJet/Swoop? I guess we will find out tomorrow.

Schedule: MSP-AZA departs 9:15am Arrival: 11:36am
AZA-MSP departs 12:35pm Arrival: 4:28pm
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:25 am

910A wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
It appears Sun Country will start seasonal AZA-MSP four weekly from 11/24. In addition AZA-TUS shows as a drop down option but no flights available.

Per suncountry.com


This will be interesting...are they pulling out of Sky Harbor or will they do dual airports like WestJet/Swoop? I guess we will find out tomorrow.


They aren't leaving PHX, so dual airports. They're also adding GRB/RST from PHX with this expansion tomorrow.

And from tys777, PHX-DLH.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:55 am

Ishrion wrote:
910A wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
It appears Sun Country will start seasonal AZA-MSP four weekly from 11/24. In addition AZA-TUS shows as a drop down option but no flights available.

Per suncountry.com


This will be interesting...are they pulling out of Sky Harbor or will they do dual airports like WestJet/Swoop? I guess we will find out tomorrow.


They aren't leaving PHX, so dual airports. They're also adding GRB/RST from PHX with this expansion tomorrow.

And from tys777, PHX-DLH.


Thats unexpected from SY to PHX - GRB/RST/MKE/DLH and AZA-MSP
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:27 am

Duluth and Rochester? Wow. I have to admit, those are some of the most insane route combinations I think I have ever seen. Ever.
 
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Duluth and Rochester? Wow. I have to admit, those are some of the most insane route combinations I think I have ever seen. Ever.


RST isn't that odd, there is a decent amount of snow bird traffic that can bypass MSP and there is some business traffic between the Mayo Clinics.

It'll be odd if they can support RST in the summer due to it being a 737.
 
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Maybe will see more airlines enter AZA ?
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:14 pm

AZA-MSP might sound weird, but judging by the number of MN license plates I see out here in the east valley, I think it has the potential to do well.

I think AZA will see at least one of the big four at some point in the distant future, especially as the metro area continues to sprawl east and south. Within five years might be a tad optimistic though.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:38 pm

Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.
 
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Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.


I have some pics but I lack the phd needed to upload pics to a.net since the last upgrade :banghead:
 
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Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.

The PHX Sky Harbor Facebook page (I'm at the wrong computer to give the exact address) posts them time to time...last post was in the last week as I recall.
 
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BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.


I have some pics but I lack the phd needed to upload pics to a.net since the last upgrade :banghead:

All you need to do is upload them to Flickr or Imgur. Then copy the url as a .jpg and use the [img] code. Otherwise, you can just post the raw links. It's not as easy as it could/should be, but I went to ASU and even I can figure it out, so no PhD required. The site migration was nearly five years ago now, so you've gotta get with the times! :bouncy: If you still have a hard time with it, just PM me and I'll help you get it posted.
 
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INFINITI329 wrote:
BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.


I have some pics but I lack the phd needed to upload pics to a.net since the last upgrade :banghead:

All you need to do is upload them to Flickr or Imgur. Then copy the url as a .jpg and use the [img] code. Otherwise, you can just post the raw links. It's not as easy as it could/should be, but I went to ASU and even I can figure it out, so no PhD required. The site migration was nearly five years ago now, so you've gotta get with the times! :bouncy: If you still have a hard time with it, just PM me and I'll help you get it posted.


Maybe he went to U of A :flamed: :stirthepot:
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:23 am

travaz wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

I have some pics but I lack the phd needed to upload pics to a.net since the last upgrade :banghead:

All you need to do is upload them to Flickr or Imgur. Then copy the url as a .jpg and use the [img] code. Otherwise, you can just post the raw links. It's not as easy as it could/should be, but I went to ASU and even I can figure it out, so no PhD required. The site migration was nearly five years ago now, so you've gotta get with the times! :bouncy: If you still have a hard time with it, just PM me and I'll help you get it posted.


Maybe he went to U of A :flamed: :stirthepot:


Surprised you ASU folk can even work this internets thing.

:rotfl:
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:38 am

HA is starting a direct flight PHX-OGG.
 
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HA is starting a direct flight PHX-OGG.


Any Details? I tried a dummy booking using the dates in thier press release but it tells me I made an error.
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:24 am

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PhilMcCrackin wrote:
HA is starting a direct flight PHX-OGG.


Any Details? I tried a dummy booking using the dates in thier press release but it tells me I made an error.


This was announced in March, Ishrion posted previously

Flight HA57 will depart Phoenix at 7 a.m. on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday , arriving in Kahului at 10:25 a.m. The flight from Kahului to Phoenix, HA58, departs at 10:40 a.m. on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, with a 7:25 p.m. arrival.

Ishrion wrote:
 
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Thank you!
 
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chrisair wrote:
travaz wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
All you need to do is upload them to Flickr or Imgur. Then copy the url as a .jpg and use the [img] code. Otherwise, you can just post the raw links. It's not as easy as it could/should be, but I went to ASU and even I can figure it out, so no PhD required. The site migration was nearly five years ago now, so you've gotta get with the times! :bouncy: If you still have a hard time with it, just PM me and I'll help you get it posted.


Maybe he went to U of A :flamed: :stirthepot:


Surprised you ASU folk can even work this internets thing.

:rotfl:

I wonder what this "ban" button does :lol:


Anyone have any updates to the new United Club? I know it was put on hold for a while, but since I'm assuming it's just a matter of furnishing the space, I can't imagine there's a huge amount of work to be done. I've heard a few rumors, but nothing seemed to be very definitive.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:31 am

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Anyone have any updates to the new United Club? I know it was put on hold for a while, but since I'm assuming it's just a matter of furnishing the space, I can't imagine there's a huge amount of work to be done. I've heard a few rumors, but nothing seemed to be very definitive.


Not an update so much as a lack of an update, no work notice has been issued for that space recently so doesn't seem like there is any progress currently.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:50 am

alasizon wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Anyone have any updates to the new United Club? I know it was put on hold for a while, but since I'm assuming it's just a matter of furnishing the space, I can't imagine there's a huge amount of work to be done. I've heard a few rumors, but nothing seemed to be very definitive.


Not an update so much as a lack of an update, no work notice has been issued for that space recently so doesn't seem like there is any progress currently.


Where is that United club going?

atcsundevil wrote:
I wonder what this "ban" button does :lol:


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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:26 am

I hope most of the local aviation enthusiasts from the Phoenix area will be attending Airliners International 2021 in Tempe this July. Something for everyone!
https://airlinersinternational.org/
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:24 pm

alasizon wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Anyone have any updates to the new United Club? I know it was put on hold for a while, but since I'm assuming it's just a matter of furnishing the space, I can't imagine there's a huge amount of work to be done. I've heard a few rumors, but nothing seemed to be very definitive.


Not an update so much as a lack of an update, no work notice has been issued for that space recently so doesn't seem like there is any progress currently.

That's a shame. United doesn't exactly have an abundance of lounges outside of hubs, so having the lounge in Phoenix was nice even if it was outdated. I hope they don't abandon plans entirely. Delta put such a beautiful club on the south side, so it would be a nice addition to the new terminal if United followed suit.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:33 pm

crownvic wrote:
I hope most of the local aviation enthusiasts from the Phoenix area will be attending Airliners International 2021 in Tempe this July. Something for everyone!
https://airlinersinternational.org/


Well I have wanted to attend as I want to get a trade table to try to sell a load of stuff, but I sent an email to the address on the website to enquire if any tables remained, like 3 weeks ago at least, and it's been crickets...no reply whatsoever. I realize volunteers run these conventions, but really?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:35 pm

cathay747 wrote:
crownvic wrote:
I hope most of the local aviation enthusiasts from the Phoenix area will be attending Airliners International 2021 in Tempe this July. Something for everyone!
https://airlinersinternational.org/


Well I have wanted to attend as I want to get a trade table to try to sell a load of stuff, but I sent an email to the address on the website to enquire if any tables remained, like 3 weeks ago at least, and it's been crickets...no reply whatsoever. I realize volunteers run these conventions, but really?


Did you try texting the contact person on the website?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:46 pm

I know that there are tables still available too.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:03 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
travaz wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
HA is starting a direct flight PHX-OGG.


Any Details? I tried a dummy booking using the dates in thier press release but it tells me I made an error.


This was announced in March, Ishrion posted previously

Flight HA57 will depart Phoenix at 7 a.m. on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday , arriving in Kahului at 10:25 a.m. The flight from Kahului to Phoenix, HA58, departs at 10:40 a.m. on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, with a 7:25 p.m. arrival.

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Yeah, I realized that after I posted. Doh.

Aircraft is scheduled to be the A321NEO, which is cool.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:19 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Any images showing the progress of the new T4S? I've seen it at a glance from some YouTube trip reports but would love to see the progress from a still image.


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