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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:34 pm

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I was looking at the Spirit route map from PHX after they announced STL-PHX yesterday. I was a little surprised it isn't bigger. Seems like PHX would have a good draw at least seasonally in winter. I know G4 has AZA (and now a couple PHX) but even with the 2 big airline hubs I figured there was some more room for Spirit.


I agree. PHX seems like it’s ripe for more Spirit service, I’m surprised they haven’t really made much of a go of it yet. ORD, DFW, and MSP have been around for years and remain. LAX and LAS (from AZA when they operated there) were tried but short lived. DEN lasted for years but was recently cut. SNA and SEA were served in the recent past but cut due to covid yet slated for return. DTW and STL are the new kids on the PHX block for Spirit. As Spirit transitions back to more of a sun seeker airline, hopefully we see PHX get a little bit more love. I do think more west coast, Midwest, and Northeast will eventually be in the cards.


NK adding PHX-MKE nonstop service might be a possibility with F9 no longer serving MKE nonstop from PHX, G4 no longer serving the MKE market, and no ULCC's currently serving the PHX/AZA market nonstop from MKE. F9 was also getting average load factors of 87.65% on MKE-PHX nonstop service in 2019.

I had mentioned the possibility of NK adding PHX-BWI/LAS/LAX/MSY nonstop service in the Spirit Airlines Discussion Thread with BWI, LAS, LAX, and MSY being 4 of the largest NK stations that NK doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHX.

NK adding PHX-CMH/MCI nonstop service might also be a possibility with (a) no ULCC's currently serving CMH and MCI nonstop from the PHX/AZA market, (b) AA and WN currently the only airlines serving CMH and MCI nonstop from PHX, and (c) NK already serving both CMH and MCI.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:00 am

jplatts wrote:

NK adding PHX-MKE nonstop service might be a possibility with F9 no longer serving MKE nonstop from PHX, G4 no longer serving the MKE market, and no ULCC's currently serving the PHX/AZA market nonstop from MKE. F9 was also getting average load factors of 87.65% on MKE-PHX nonstop service in 2019.

SY already announced PHX-MKE so that will add the ULCC competition. In return, AA will also double down on PHX-MKE service for the winter.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:20 pm

Gateway Airport announced today that Swoop is returning to IWA/AZA on November 17th with service to Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Toronto. I believe this is the first time that Toronto has been served from Gateway. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:49 pm

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Gateway Airport announced today that Swoop is returning to IWA/AZA on November 17th with service to Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Toronto. I believe this is the first time that Toronto has been served from Gateway. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Swoop loaded the flights about 3 weeks ago and removed in GDS, good to see it finally announced

YWG 1 weekly from 11/1 and 2 weekly from 01/12
YYZ 1 weekly from 11/2 and 2 weekly from 12/13
YEG 2 weekly from 09/17 and 3 weekly from 12/20

All run until end of April
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:22 pm

The above post should say September 17.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:04 pm

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The above post should say September 17.

September 17 is the resumption date for YEG
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:41 pm

Over in the AA Network thread was a post about the most recent update to AA's schedule, which had this:

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:50 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Over in the AA Network thread was a post about the most recent update to AA's schedule, which had this:

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30


Are they still using the 77E?
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:56 pm

Condor has removed PHX for Summer 2021, however they have loaded Summer 2022 at 3 weekly from May 21, 2022
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:57 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Over in the AA Network thread was a post about the most recent update to AA's schedule, which had this:

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30


Are they still using the 77E?


All LHR flights on AA are 777
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:04 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Over in the AA Network thread was a post about the most recent update to AA's schedule, which had this:

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30


Are they still using the 77E?


All LHR flights on AA are 777


I'm seeing a couple of daily ORD flights on the 787.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:24 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Over in the AA Network thread was a post about the most recent update to AA's schedule, which had this:

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30


Are they still using the 77E?


All LHR flights on AA are 777


The posting I quoted didn't indicate equip. types for any of the routes listed, and as to BA744PHX's comment, I have read that in either the AA Network or AA Fleet thread IIRC, but things are so fluid, I won't hold my breath on anything. But I will lean toward it being a 77E like before.
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:25 pm

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Condor has removed PHX for Summer 2021, however they have loaded Summer 2022 at 3 weekly from May 21, 2022


Finally, confirmation of what seemed to me to be an obvious decision on their part.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:35 pm

Does anyone know of a place in the phx area where you can buy model aircraft like geminijets
 
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Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:17 am

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Does anyone know of a place in the phx area where you can buy model aircraft like geminijets


Las Vegas is where they have a big shop and is home to the US warehouse for the models. There’s YouTube videos of the place
 
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Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:14 am

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Does anyone know of a place in the phx area where you can buy model aircraft like geminijets

There will be several dealers in town for the 2021 Airliners International show coming up July 8th.. Its open to the public too!

https://airlinersinternational.org/
 
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Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:14 pm

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Does anyone know of a place in the phx area where you can buy model aircraft like geminijets


You're going to have a MUCH easier time buying such models online, and retailers for such abound. My preferred one is https://www.jetcollector.com/ because it's a "small business" and the 2 people who own/run it are great. They've got a very extensive inventory/selection. Also good pricing with very reasonable shipping charges due to good options.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:50 am

crownvic wrote:
boeing777200lr wrote:
Does anyone know of a place in the phx area where you can buy model aircraft like geminijets

There will be several dealers in town for the 2021 Airliners International show coming up July 8th.. Its open to the public too!

https://airlinersinternational.org/


Yes, July 8-10 at Tempe Mission Palms Resort. Usually the Thursday session is for registrants only, but Fri and Saturday are open to all. Small admission charge if you're not a convention registrant. I't's finally going to happen, postponed from last July. First PHX AI show since 2000. See you there!
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:58 pm

The new Terminal 4 concourse is really making progress https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 4/sizes/l/ Seems like it'll be pretty nice when completed.
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:33 pm

treebeard787 wrote:
The new Terminal 4 concourse is really making progress https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 4/sizes/l/ Seems like it'll be pretty nice when completed.


It'll be quite nice but will also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of T4. Hopefully one day PHX can figure out a way to give a facelift to N2-N4 and S3/S4; current traffic trends are really showing just how little seating the airport has available.
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:47 pm

alasizon wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
The new Terminal 4 concourse is really making progress https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 4/sizes/l/ Seems like it'll be pretty nice when completed.


It'll be quite nice but will also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of T4. Hopefully one day PHX can figure out a way to give a facelift to N2-N4 and S3/S4; current traffic trends are really showing just how little seating the airport has available.


Amen to that every airport i have been in has a terrible lack of seating. I was in PHX the other day for a PHX LAX and it was at A14 and I had to sit around A4. it was chaos
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:58 pm

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Amen to that every airport i have been in has a terrible lack of seating. I was in PHX the other day for a PHX LAX and it was at A14 and I had to sit around A4. it was chaos


Any gate not in the D concourse sucks in T4. It was bad pre-Covid too.
 
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:43 pm

alasizon wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
The new Terminal 4 concourse is really making progress https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 4/sizes/l/ Seems like it'll be pretty nice when completed.


It'll be quite nice but will also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of T4. Hopefully one day PHX can figure out a way to give a facelift to N2-N4 and S3/S4; current traffic trends are really showing just how little seating the airport has available.


Most of those gate hold areas were designed for 732s, 733s, and A320s (HP only had a handful of 757s and they almost always used N1). With 738s and A321s being more and more dominant the lack of space really shows.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:13 am

Which gate will G4 be using at PHX?
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:34 am

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Which gate will G4 be using at PHX?


Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit.
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:35 am

Vctony wrote:
alasizon wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
The new Terminal 4 concourse is really making progress https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 4/sizes/l/ Seems like it'll be pretty nice when completed.


It'll be quite nice but will also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of T4. Hopefully one day PHX can figure out a way to give a facelift to N2-N4 and S3/S4; current traffic trends are really showing just how little seating the airport has available.


Most of those gate hold areas were designed for 732s, 733s, and A320s (HP only had a handful of 757s and they almost always used N1). With 738s and A321s being more and more dominant the lack of space really shows.


Terminal 4 is eventually going to need a Terminal 3 style Modernization from exterior to interior, it definitely shows its age and eclecticism with its various design styles, almost like walking through a history timeline.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:49 am

cm642 wrote:
Vctony wrote:
alasizon wrote:

It'll be quite nice but will also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of T4. Hopefully one day PHX can figure out a way to give a facelift to N2-N4 and S3/S4; current traffic trends are really showing just how little seating the airport has available.


Most of those gate hold areas were designed for 732s, 733s, and A320s (HP only had a handful of 757s and they almost always used N1). With 738s and A321s being more and more dominant the lack of space really shows.


Terminal 4 is eventually going to need a Terminal 3 style Modernization from exterior to interior, it definitely shows its age and eclecticism with its various design styles, almost like walking through a history timeline.


T4 won't see any real major modernization until T3.5 is built or ground is broken on the west terminal, not enough room for AA or WN to rearrange schedules currently. About the only thing I could see would be raising the roof on S3/S4 in sections and maybe improvements to the ends of N2/N3. Everything else would require a much larger closure.
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:14 am

Airliners International in Phoenix just days away! I hope the locals come out to support it. Tempe Hyatt Mission Inn
 
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:44 pm

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Airliners International in Phoenix just days away! I hope the locals come out to support it. Tempe Hyatt Mission Inn


I'll be there; have a trade table booked with lots of goodies (some real oldies too!) for sale!
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:57 pm

alasizon wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Which gate will G4 be using at PHX?


Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit.


Could G4 be the first to experiment with busing operations from T3S? Especially if they experience success at PHX and grow their schedules out of the airport .
 
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:57 pm

What is the possibility of the new West Terminal being the next gate expansion at PHX? As opposed to the current plans to consolidate N3 + N4, as well as the second North Pier at Terminal 3?

I could envision the new West Terminal being exclusive to oneworld airlines, with it's own FIS facilities. Move AA, AS, and BA over with room for possibly JL or another international partner in the future.

This would then allow for airlines to shuffle around the concourses at T4 as each concourse is modernized incrementally. WN could eventually stand to benefit from less competition for FIS space, and UA could eventually move over to T4 to co-locate with AC (and LH again in the future?).

Remaining space in T4 and T3 could be reallocated among DL, LCCs, etc. without needing to graft in a weird second north pier for T3.
 
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:41 pm

MrPeanut wrote:
alasizon wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Which gate will G4 be using at PHX?


Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit.


Could G4 be the first to experiment with busing operations from T3S? Especially if they experience success at PHX and grow their schedules out of the airport .


It's a possibility, I just don't see G4 wanting to jump in to the more "premier" airport in the market just to bus. The bus setup isn't bad and it's a short ride but I would think G4 would rather have a jetway gate.

425480 wrote:
What is the possibility of the new West Terminal being the next gate expansion at PHX? As opposed to the current plans to consolidate N3 + N4, as well as the second North Pier at Terminal 3?

I could envision the new West Terminal being exclusive to oneworld airlines, with it's own FIS facilities. Move AA, AS, and BA over with room for possibly JL or another international partner in the future.

This would then allow for airlines to shuffle around the concourses at T4 as each concourse is modernized incrementally. WN could eventually stand to benefit from less competition for FIS space, and UA could eventually move over to T4 to co-locate with AC (and LH again in the future?).

Remaining space in T4 and T3 could be reallocated among DL, LCCs, etc. without needing to graft in a weird second north pier for T3.


The N3/N4 combination is not anywhere near next, it is at the end of the 20+ year ALP.

Next will be T3.5 which will initially be a satellite concourse and then connected airside to both T3 and T4. Initial use on T3.5 will most likely be AA plus AS and UA RONs.

The West Terminal is completely intended for WN to help spread the load of T4, the current design would not allow for AA to move over there without giving up gate space or PHX overruling the terminal and building both north and south sides of it leaving way too much empty space. West Terminal at best is 10-12 years away.

No need for UA to move to T4, they are already co-located with AC today on T3 and AC isn't flying anywhere that needs the FIS.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 pm

From the Arizona Republic for Subscribers only on their facebook page this afternoon (7/13)
Looks like AZA has been a disappointment for Avelo.

the newly launched Avelo Airlines is adjusting its schedule to Burbank. The airline will no longer provide daily service as it drops its Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday flights. In mid-August, the airline plans to change the flight time from morning to afternoon.


Frontier starts PHX-BUR in two days..
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:33 pm

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From the Arizona Republic for Subscribers only on their facebook page this afternoon (7/13)
Looks like AZA has been a disappointment for Avelo.

the newly launched Avelo Airlines is adjusting its schedule to Burbank. The airline will no longer provide daily service as it drops its Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday flights. In mid-August, the airline plans to change the flight time from morning to afternoon.


Frontier starts PHX-BUR in two days..


Not too surprising, AA and WN are the gorillas in the market and the demand is not east valley oriented, it's mostly west valley which is a haul for AZA.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:54 pm

alasizon wrote:
910A wrote:
From the Arizona Republic for Subscribers only on their facebook page this afternoon (7/13)
Looks like AZA has been a disappointment for Avelo.

the newly launched Avelo Airlines is adjusting its schedule to Burbank. The airline will no longer provide daily service as it drops its Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday flights. In mid-August, the airline plans to change the flight time from morning to afternoon.


Frontier starts PHX-BUR in two days..


Not too surprising, AA and WN are the gorillas in the market and the demand is not east valley oriented, it's mostly west valley which is a haul for AZA.


I am curious how you (or anybody for that matter) knows whether traffic demand for a particular route is east- or west-valley oriented. This is a genuine curiosity question, I'm not meaning to sound snarky.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:27 pm

cathay747 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
910A wrote:
From the Arizona Republic for Subscribers only on their facebook page this afternoon (7/13)
Looks like AZA has been a disappointment for Avelo.



Frontier starts PHX-BUR in two days..


Not too surprising, AA and WN are the gorillas in the market and the demand is not east valley oriented, it's mostly west valley which is a haul for AZA.


I am curious how you (or anybody for that matter) knows whether traffic demand for a particular route is east- or west-valley oriented. This is a genuine curiosity question, I'm not meaning to sound snarky.


I don’t claim to surely know it or have statistics to prove it (though, there are certainly GIS programs airlines use to determine things like this), but it seems more second or vacation homes are on the east side of the valley than on the West, outside of like Sun City.

It is interesting that G4 from AZA lacks a lot of service from many Cali cities on their map, but WA/OR for example essentially get the whole complement. I would imagine there is something there
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:00 pm

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alasizon wrote:
910A wrote:
From the Arizona Republic for Subscribers only on their facebook page this afternoon (7/13)
Looks like AZA has been a disappointment for Avelo.



Frontier starts PHX-BUR in two days..


Not too surprising, AA and WN are the gorillas in the market and the demand is not east valley oriented, it's mostly west valley which is a haul for AZA.


I am curious how you (or anybody for that matter) knows whether traffic demand for a particular route is east- or west-valley oriented. This is a genuine curiosity question, I'm not meaning to sound snarky.


A large component of the newer West Valley population (Avondale, Goodyear, Surprise, Vistancia, etc.) is folks that moved from the LA area. For whatever reason, folks from Ventura County, Santa Clarita and most of the San Fernando Valley prefer the West Valley over East Valley (which sees a large number of folks from Utah, Orange County and Southern LA County). Can't really explain why that is, but that connection is stronger to BUR in the west valley. That isn't to say there aren't people from Scottsdale, Chandler, Tempe, etc. traveling to BUR, just for whatever reason it is a smaller amount (opposite is true for SNA, that skews heavier to east valley).

I worked on three corporate contracts about two or three years ago for companies that had offices in both PHX and BUR/Hollywood and the traffic overwhelmingly skewed towards north and west portions of the valley to the point I had to explain to our sales folks why we couldn't just change the time of a flight to avoid the traffic on the W/B I-10 in the afternoons.

PHX-BUR is one of the few markets that actually fills up paid J on AA and has high business select demand on WN on almost every flight and a lot of that demand comes from business travelers making their way to/from branch offices in the north and west valley plus the consultants that call North Phoenix and Scottsdale home.

Sans Tempe, a lot of the corporate support centers/branch offices are located in the north and west portions of the which probably is what drives more of the business demand, very little of which would want to fly into AZA to then drive an hour to the office.
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Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:00 pm

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Not too surprising, AA and WN are the gorillas in the market and the demand is not east valley oriented, it's mostly west valley which is a haul for AZA.


I am curious how you (or anybody for that matter) knows whether traffic demand for a particular route is east- or west-valley oriented. This is a genuine curiosity question, I'm not meaning to sound snarky.


A large component of the newer West Valley population (Avondale, Goodyear, Surprise, Vistancia, etc.) is folks that moved from the LA area. For whatever reason, folks from Ventura County, Santa Clarita and most of the San Fernando Valley prefer the West Valley over East Valley (which sees a large number of folks from Utah, Orange County and Southern LA County). Can't really explain why that is, but that connection is stronger to BUR in the west valley. That isn't to say there aren't people from Scottsdale, Chandler, Tempe, etc. traveling to BUR, just for whatever reason it is a smaller amount (opposite is true for SNA, that skews heavier to east valley).

I worked on three corporate contracts about two or three years ago for companies that had offices in both PHX and BUR/Hollywood and the traffic overwhelmingly skewed towards north and west portions of the valley to the point I had to explain to our sales folks why we couldn't just change the time of a flight to avoid the traffic on the W/B I-10 in the afternoons.

PHX-BUR is one of the few markets that actually fills up paid J on AA and has high business select demand on WN on almost every flight and a lot of that demand comes from business travelers making their way to/from branch offices in the north and west valley plus the consultants that call North Phoenix and Scottsdale home.

Sans Tempe, a lot of the corporate support centers/branch offices are located in the north and west portions of the which probably is what drives more of the business demand, very little of which would want to fly into AZA to then drive an hour to the office.


Wow. OK! Thanks, that's a superb explanation.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:31 pm

Just out of curiosity anyone think or know if Eurowings/Lufthansa will start or is that completely cancelled due to the pandemic. I just noticed Eurowings is still listed on Sky Harbor's website in the airlines section.
 
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:47 pm

Does anyone have any updated pics of the T4 expansion? The Sky Harbor Twitter feed has been quiet. And do they still plan to build a connection from T4S and T4N on the west end of the concourses similar to the walkway on the east end?
 
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Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:05 am

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And do they still plan to build a connection from T4S and T4N on the west end of the concourses similar to the walkway on the east end?


Yes. They are building out the T4S to T4N connector now, along with the final concourse. However, unlike the connector on the east side, the one on the west side will run directly adjacent to/along side the main terminal building.
 
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Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:29 am

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BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
And do they still plan to build a connection from T4S and T4N on the west end of the concourses similar to the walkway on the east end?


Yes. They are building out the T4S to T4N connector now, along with the final concourse. However, unlike the connector on the east side, the one on the west side will run directly adjacent to/along side the main terminal building.


Yes the connector will connect N2 to S2 (the low As to the low Ds) and will have an exit to the main terminal where the Starbucks used to be on level 3.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:39 am

Vctony wrote:
MrPeanut wrote:
BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
And do they still plan to build a connection from T4S and T4N on the west end of the concourses similar to the walkway on the east end?


Yes. They are building out the T4S to T4N connector now, along with the final concourse. However, unlike the connector on the east side, the one on the west side will run directly adjacent to/along side the main terminal building.


Yes the connector will connect N2 to S2 (the low As to the low Ds) and will have an exit to the main terminal where the Starbucks used to be on level 3.


It will be the A and D security exit as well hence why it was necessary to put it there.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:02 pm

cm642 wrote:
Just out of curiosity anyone think or know if Eurowings/Lufthansa will start or is that completely cancelled due to the pandemic. I just noticed Eurowings is still listed on Sky Harbor's website in the airlines section.

I've wondered the same LH/EW has already announced their intent to serve the same cities announced when PHX was listed, ANC, LAS already have their schedules loaded. I wonder if they will bail on the idea
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:21 pm

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in May 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 33007 passengers, 35245 seats, 93.65% load factor
ATL-PHX - 15378 passengers, 17283 seats, 88.98% load factor
AUS-PHX - 28821 passengers, 36963 seats, 77.97% load factor
BNA-PHX - 30585 passengers, 37112 seats, 82.41% load factor
BOI-PHX - 10331 passengers, 11920 seats, 86.67% load factor
BUF-PHX - 5697 passengers, 6042 seats, 94.29% load factor
BUR-PHX - 26507 passengers, 30602 seats, 86.62% load factor
BWI-PHX - 24581 passengers, 27742 seats, 88.61% load factor
CLE-PHX - 9081 passengers, 9636 seats, 94.24% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9415 passengers, 10195 seats, 92.35% load factor
COS-PHX - 12772 passengers, 17589 seats, 72.61% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1512 passengers, 1590 seats, 95.09% load factor
DAL-PHX - 59408 passengers, 66737 seats, 89.02% load factor
DEN-PHX - 72985 passengers, 82149 seats, 88.84% load factor
DSM-PHX - 3665 passengers, 4004 seats, 91.53% load factor
DTW-PHX - 1525 passengers, 1750 seats, 87.14% load factor
ELP-PHX - 26384 passengers, 27779 seats, 94.98% load factor
FLL-PHX - 7722 passengers, 9638 seats, 80.12% load factor
GEG-PHX - 8813 passengers, 10466 seats, 84.21% load factor
HOU-PHX - 37175 passengers, 46358 seats, 80.19% load factor
IAH-PHX - 755 passengers, 1430 seats, 52.80% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1414 passengers, 1590 seats, 88.93% load factor
IND-PHX - 20205 passengers, 22616 seats, 89.34% load factor
LAS-PHX - 54043 passengers, 60376 seats, 89.51% load factor
LAX-PHX - 39004 passengers, 46626 seats, 83.65% load factor
LGB-PHX - 18055 passengers, 29461 seats, 61.28% load factor
MCI-PHX - 33336 passengers, 38476 seats, 86.64% load factor
MCO-PHX - 13267 passengers, 14775 seats, 89.79% load factor
MDW-PHX - 68555 passengers, 78319 seats, 87.53% load factor
MEM-PHX - 8692 passengers, 10705 seats, 81.20% load factor
MKE-PHX - 23097 passengers, 28970 seats, 79.73% load factor
MSP-PHX - 13450 passengers, 16572 seats, 81.16% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8785 passengers, 10705 seats, 82.06% load factor
OAK-PHX - 49833 passengers, 56509 seats, 88.19% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17829 passengers, 19577 seats, 91.07% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17615 passengers, 19236 seats, 91.57% load factor
ONT-PHX - 26245 passengers, 29286 seats, 89.62% load factor
ORD-PHX - 15475 passengers, 17732 seats, 87.27% load factor
PDX-PHX - 24882 passengers, 27726 seats, 89.74% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9371 passengers, 9777 seats, 95.85% load factor
PHX-PSP - 13126 passengers, 21164 seats, 62.02% load factor
PHX-RDU - 8500 passengers, 9318 seats, 91.22% load factor
PHX-RNO - 18313 passengers, 25303 seats, 72.37% load factor
PHX-SAN - 47035 passengers, 53330 seats, 88.20% load factor
PHX-SAT - 32887 passengers, 36717 seats, 89.57% load factor
PHX-SDF - 5473 passengers, 6042 seats, 90.58% load factor
PHX-SEA - 25983 passengers, 29030 seats, 89.50% load factor
PHX-SFO - 20334 passengers, 24158 seats, 84.17% load factor
PHX-SJC - 30799 passengers, 38496 seats, 80.01% load factor
PHX-SLC - 29690 passengers, 37391 seats, 79.40% load factor
PHX-SMF - 45103 passengers, 51804 seats, 87.06% load factor
PHX-SNA - 37394 passengers, 51540 seats, 72.55% load factor
PHX-STL - 25795 passengers, 30084 seats, 85.74% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8018 passengers, 9858 seats, 81.33% load factor
PHX-TUL - 8678 passengers, 9489 seats, 91.45% load factor
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:42 pm

Today Aug 16th was the last Avelo flight operating from BUR-IWA-BUR.. What was that three months?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:40 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in May 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 33007 passengers, 35245 seats, 93.65% load factor
ATL-PHX - 15378 passengers, 17283 seats, 88.98% load factor
AUS-PHX - 28821 passengers, 36963 seats, 77.97% load factor
BNA-PHX - 30585 passengers, 37112 seats, 82.41% load factor
BOI-PHX - 10331 passengers, 11920 seats, 86.67% load factor
BUF-PHX - 5697 passengers, 6042 seats, 94.29% load factor
BUR-PHX - 26507 passengers, 30602 seats, 86.62% load factor
BWI-PHX - 24581 passengers, 27742 seats, 88.61% load factor
CLE-PHX - 9081 passengers, 9636 seats, 94.24% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9415 passengers, 10195 seats, 92.35% load factor
COS-PHX - 12772 passengers, 17589 seats, 72.61% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1512 passengers, 1590 seats, 95.09% load factor
DAL-PHX - 59408 passengers, 66737 seats, 89.02% load factor
DEN-PHX - 72985 passengers, 82149 seats, 88.84% load factor
DSM-PHX - 3665 passengers, 4004 seats, 91.53% load factor
DTW-PHX - 1525 passengers, 1750 seats, 87.14% load factor
ELP-PHX - 26384 passengers, 27779 seats, 94.98% load factor
FLL-PHX - 7722 passengers, 9638 seats, 80.12% load factor
GEG-PHX - 8813 passengers, 10466 seats, 84.21% load factor
HOU-PHX - 37175 passengers, 46358 seats, 80.19% load factor
IAH-PHX - 755 passengers, 1430 seats, 52.80% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1414 passengers, 1590 seats, 88.93% load factor
IND-PHX - 20205 passengers, 22616 seats, 89.34% load factor
LAS-PHX - 54043 passengers, 60376 seats, 89.51% load factor
LAX-PHX - 39004 passengers, 46626 seats, 83.65% load factor
LGB-PHX - 18055 passengers, 29461 seats, 61.28% load factor
MCI-PHX - 33336 passengers, 38476 seats, 86.64% load factor
MCO-PHX - 13267 passengers, 14775 seats, 89.79% load factor
MDW-PHX - 68555 passengers, 78319 seats, 87.53% load factor
MEM-PHX - 8692 passengers, 10705 seats, 81.20% load factor
MKE-PHX - 23097 passengers, 28970 seats, 79.73% load factor
MSP-PHX - 13450 passengers, 16572 seats, 81.16% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8785 passengers, 10705 seats, 82.06% load factor
OAK-PHX - 49833 passengers, 56509 seats, 88.19% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17829 passengers, 19577 seats, 91.07% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17615 passengers, 19236 seats, 91.57% load factor
ONT-PHX - 26245 passengers, 29286 seats, 89.62% load factor
ORD-PHX - 15475 passengers, 17732 seats, 87.27% load factor
PDX-PHX - 24882 passengers, 27726 seats, 89.74% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9371 passengers, 9777 seats, 95.85% load factor
PHX-PSP - 13126 passengers, 21164 seats, 62.02% load factor
PHX-RDU - 8500 passengers, 9318 seats, 91.22% load factor
PHX-RNO - 18313 passengers, 25303 seats, 72.37% load factor
PHX-SAN - 47035 passengers, 53330 seats, 88.20% load factor
PHX-SAT - 32887 passengers, 36717 seats, 89.57% load factor
PHX-SDF - 5473 passengers, 6042 seats, 90.58% load factor
PHX-SEA - 25983 passengers, 29030 seats, 89.50% load factor
PHX-SFO - 20334 passengers, 24158 seats, 84.17% load factor
PHX-SJC - 30799 passengers, 38496 seats, 80.01% load factor
PHX-SLC - 29690 passengers, 37391 seats, 79.40% load factor
PHX-SMF - 45103 passengers, 51804 seats, 87.06% load factor
PHX-SNA - 37394 passengers, 51540 seats, 72.55% load factor
PHX-STL - 25795 passengers, 30084 seats, 85.74% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8018 passengers, 9858 seats, 81.33% load factor
PHX-TUL - 8678 passengers, 9489 seats, 91.45% load factor


Stations below 80% LF:
AUS
COS (new)
IAH (new, only represents about 9 flights)
RNO
MKE
SNA
LGB (new)
PSP (new)

I am surprised the load factors on AUS and SNA are so low. Is interesting to note how well ORD has performed. It seemed like many believed this route would not do well for WN.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:22 pm

MrPeanut wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in May 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 33007 passengers, 35245 seats, 93.65% load factor
ATL-PHX - 15378 passengers, 17283 seats, 88.98% load factor
AUS-PHX - 28821 passengers, 36963 seats, 77.97% load factor
BNA-PHX - 30585 passengers, 37112 seats, 82.41% load factor
BOI-PHX - 10331 passengers, 11920 seats, 86.67% load factor
BUF-PHX - 5697 passengers, 6042 seats, 94.29% load factor
BUR-PHX - 26507 passengers, 30602 seats, 86.62% load factor
BWI-PHX - 24581 passengers, 27742 seats, 88.61% load factor
CLE-PHX - 9081 passengers, 9636 seats, 94.24% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9415 passengers, 10195 seats, 92.35% load factor
COS-PHX - 12772 passengers, 17589 seats, 72.61% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1512 passengers, 1590 seats, 95.09% load factor
DAL-PHX - 59408 passengers, 66737 seats, 89.02% load factor
DEN-PHX - 72985 passengers, 82149 seats, 88.84% load factor
DSM-PHX - 3665 passengers, 4004 seats, 91.53% load factor
DTW-PHX - 1525 passengers, 1750 seats, 87.14% load factor
ELP-PHX - 26384 passengers, 27779 seats, 94.98% load factor
FLL-PHX - 7722 passengers, 9638 seats, 80.12% load factor
GEG-PHX - 8813 passengers, 10466 seats, 84.21% load factor
HOU-PHX - 37175 passengers, 46358 seats, 80.19% load factor
IAH-PHX - 755 passengers, 1430 seats, 52.80% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1414 passengers, 1590 seats, 88.93% load factor
IND-PHX - 20205 passengers, 22616 seats, 89.34% load factor
LAS-PHX - 54043 passengers, 60376 seats, 89.51% load factor
LAX-PHX - 39004 passengers, 46626 seats, 83.65% load factor
LGB-PHX - 18055 passengers, 29461 seats, 61.28% load factor
MCI-PHX - 33336 passengers, 38476 seats, 86.64% load factor
MCO-PHX - 13267 passengers, 14775 seats, 89.79% load factor
MDW-PHX - 68555 passengers, 78319 seats, 87.53% load factor
MEM-PHX - 8692 passengers, 10705 seats, 81.20% load factor
MKE-PHX - 23097 passengers, 28970 seats, 79.73% load factor
MSP-PHX - 13450 passengers, 16572 seats, 81.16% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8785 passengers, 10705 seats, 82.06% load factor
OAK-PHX - 49833 passengers, 56509 seats, 88.19% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17829 passengers, 19577 seats, 91.07% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17615 passengers, 19236 seats, 91.57% load factor
ONT-PHX - 26245 passengers, 29286 seats, 89.62% load factor
ORD-PHX - 15475 passengers, 17732 seats, 87.27% load factor
PDX-PHX - 24882 passengers, 27726 seats, 89.74% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9371 passengers, 9777 seats, 95.85% load factor
PHX-PSP - 13126 passengers, 21164 seats, 62.02% load factor
PHX-RDU - 8500 passengers, 9318 seats, 91.22% load factor
PHX-RNO - 18313 passengers, 25303 seats, 72.37% load factor
PHX-SAN - 47035 passengers, 53330 seats, 88.20% load factor
PHX-SAT - 32887 passengers, 36717 seats, 89.57% load factor
PHX-SDF - 5473 passengers, 6042 seats, 90.58% load factor
PHX-SEA - 25983 passengers, 29030 seats, 89.50% load factor
PHX-SFO - 20334 passengers, 24158 seats, 84.17% load factor
PHX-SJC - 30799 passengers, 38496 seats, 80.01% load factor
PHX-SLC - 29690 passengers, 37391 seats, 79.40% load factor
PHX-SMF - 45103 passengers, 51804 seats, 87.06% load factor
PHX-SNA - 37394 passengers, 51540 seats, 72.55% load factor
PHX-STL - 25795 passengers, 30084 seats, 85.74% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8018 passengers, 9858 seats, 81.33% load factor
PHX-TUL - 8678 passengers, 9489 seats, 91.45% load factor


Stations below 80% LF:
AUS
COS (new)
IAH (new, only represents about 9 flights)
RNO
MKE
SNA
LGB (new)
PSP (new)

I am surprised the load factors on AUS and SNA are so low. Is interesting to note how well ORD has performed. It seemed like many believed this route would not do well for WN.


SLC is also below 80% which is very surprising.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:59 pm

alasizon wrote:
MrPeanut wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in May 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 33007 passengers, 35245 seats, 93.65% load factor
ATL-PHX - 15378 passengers, 17283 seats, 88.98% load factor
AUS-PHX - 28821 passengers, 36963 seats, 77.97% load factor
BNA-PHX - 30585 passengers, 37112 seats, 82.41% load factor
BOI-PHX - 10331 passengers, 11920 seats, 86.67% load factor
BUF-PHX - 5697 passengers, 6042 seats, 94.29% load factor
BUR-PHX - 26507 passengers, 30602 seats, 86.62% load factor
BWI-PHX - 24581 passengers, 27742 seats, 88.61% load factor
CLE-PHX - 9081 passengers, 9636 seats, 94.24% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9415 passengers, 10195 seats, 92.35% load factor
COS-PHX - 12772 passengers, 17589 seats, 72.61% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1512 passengers, 1590 seats, 95.09% load factor
DAL-PHX - 59408 passengers, 66737 seats, 89.02% load factor
DEN-PHX - 72985 passengers, 82149 seats, 88.84% load factor
DSM-PHX - 3665 passengers, 4004 seats, 91.53% load factor
DTW-PHX - 1525 passengers, 1750 seats, 87.14% load factor
ELP-PHX - 26384 passengers, 27779 seats, 94.98% load factor
FLL-PHX - 7722 passengers, 9638 seats, 80.12% load factor
GEG-PHX - 8813 passengers, 10466 seats, 84.21% load factor
HOU-PHX - 37175 passengers, 46358 seats, 80.19% load factor
IAH-PHX - 755 passengers, 1430 seats, 52.80% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1414 passengers, 1590 seats, 88.93% load factor
IND-PHX - 20205 passengers, 22616 seats, 89.34% load factor
LAS-PHX - 54043 passengers, 60376 seats, 89.51% load factor
LAX-PHX - 39004 passengers, 46626 seats, 83.65% load factor
LGB-PHX - 18055 passengers, 29461 seats, 61.28% load factor
MCI-PHX - 33336 passengers, 38476 seats, 86.64% load factor
MCO-PHX - 13267 passengers, 14775 seats, 89.79% load factor
MDW-PHX - 68555 passengers, 78319 seats, 87.53% load factor
MEM-PHX - 8692 passengers, 10705 seats, 81.20% load factor
MKE-PHX - 23097 passengers, 28970 seats, 79.73% load factor
MSP-PHX - 13450 passengers, 16572 seats, 81.16% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8785 passengers, 10705 seats, 82.06% load factor
OAK-PHX - 49833 passengers, 56509 seats, 88.19% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17829 passengers, 19577 seats, 91.07% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17615 passengers, 19236 seats, 91.57% load factor
ONT-PHX - 26245 passengers, 29286 seats, 89.62% load factor
ORD-PHX - 15475 passengers, 17732 seats, 87.27% load factor
PDX-PHX - 24882 passengers, 27726 seats, 89.74% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9371 passengers, 9777 seats, 95.85% load factor
PHX-PSP - 13126 passengers, 21164 seats, 62.02% load factor
PHX-RDU - 8500 passengers, 9318 seats, 91.22% load factor
PHX-RNO - 18313 passengers, 25303 seats, 72.37% load factor
PHX-SAN - 47035 passengers, 53330 seats, 88.20% load factor
PHX-SAT - 32887 passengers, 36717 seats, 89.57% load factor
PHX-SDF - 5473 passengers, 6042 seats, 90.58% load factor
PHX-SEA - 25983 passengers, 29030 seats, 89.50% load factor
PHX-SFO - 20334 passengers, 24158 seats, 84.17% load factor
PHX-SJC - 30799 passengers, 38496 seats, 80.01% load factor
PHX-SLC - 29690 passengers, 37391 seats, 79.40% load factor
PHX-SMF - 45103 passengers, 51804 seats, 87.06% load factor
PHX-SNA - 37394 passengers, 51540 seats, 72.55% load factor
PHX-STL - 25795 passengers, 30084 seats, 85.74% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8018 passengers, 9858 seats, 81.33% load factor
PHX-TUL - 8678 passengers, 9489 seats, 91.45% load factor


Stations below 80% LF:
AUS
COS (new)
IAH (new, only represents about 9 flights)
RNO
MKE
SNA
LGB (new)
PSP (new)

I am surprised the load factors on AUS and SNA are so low. Is interesting to note how well ORD has performed. It seemed like many believed this route would not do well for WN.


SLC is also below 80% which is very surprising.


Maybe it has to do with the month? Maybe a longer time horizon would be more meaningful.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:44 pm

Looks like BA is resuming LHR-PHX again, starting on the 31st of this month. Aircraft will be a 777-200ER.
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