Looks like PHX just issued a RFP for Taxiway U.

https://azbex.com/rfqs-issued-for-new-2 ... r-taxiway/

MrPeanut wrote:

alasizon wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

Which gate will G4 be using at PHX?

Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit.

Could G4 be the first to experiment with busing operations from T3S? Especially if they experience success at PHX and grow their schedules out of the airport .

Is there a dedicated gate set up for bussing in T3S?

phatfarmlines wrote:

MrPeanut wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit.

Could G4 be the first to experiment with busing operations from T3S? Especially if they experience success at PHX and grow their schedules out of the airport .

Is there a dedicated gate set up for bussing in T3S?

F13/F14 are setup for bussing or ground boarding.

USAAUA wrote:

Looks like PHX just issued a RFP for Taxiway U.

https://azbex.com/rfqs-issued-for-new-2 ... r-taxiway/

It's about time. They've been trying to get this moving for the better part of 15 years.

AA update from November
PHX-DFW gets 2 daily 789 and 1 daily 772
PHX-ORD gets 1 daily 788
PHX-HNL gets 1 daily 789
PHX-OGG gets 1 daily 788

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors on WN flights out of PHX in June 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 25900 passengers, 27656 seats, 93.65% load factor
ATL-PHX - 16768 passengers, 18395 seats, 91.16% load factor
AUS-PHX - 30686 passengers, 35497 seats, 86.45% load factor
BNA-PHX - 31907 passengers, 36173 seats, 88.21% load factor
BOI-PHX - 13089 passengers, 16182 seats, 80.89% load factor
BUF-PHX - 1417 passengers, 1558 seats, 90.95% load factor
BUR-PHX - 38432 passengers, 43886 seats, 87.57% load factor
BWI-PHX - 27936 passengers, 30521 seats, 91.53% load factor
BZN-PHX - 1183 passengers, 1859 seats, 63.64% load factor
CLE-PHX - 4978 passengers, 5246 seats, 94.89% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9701 passengers, 10829 seats, 89.58% load factor
COS-PHX - 14987 passengers, 17580 seats, 85.25% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1226 passengers, 1272 seats, 96.38% load factor
DAL-PHX - 60930 passengers, 66701 seats, 91.35% load factor
DEN-PHX - 70074 passengers, 79103 seats, 88.59% load factor
DSM-PHX - 1081 passengers, 1287 seats, 83.99% load factor
DTW-PHX - 2912 passengers, 3641 seats, 79.98% load factor
ELP-PHX - 23535 passengers, 26560 seats, 88.61% load factor
FLL-PHX - 6226 passengers, 6996 seats, 88.99% load factor
GEG-PHX - 7124 passengers, 9237 seats, 77.12% load factor
HNL-PHX - 2003 passengers, 2625 seats, 76.30% load factor
HOU-PHX - 41145 passengers, 46016 seats, 89.41% load factor
IAH-PHX - 2732 passengers, 3562 seats, 76.70% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1299 passengers, 1368 seats, 94.96% load factor
IND-PHX - 19139 passengers, 21201 seats, 90.27% load factor
LAS-PHX - 55947 passengers, 66662 seats, 83.93% load factor
LAX-PHX - 41683 passengers, 52151 seats, 79.93% load factor
LGB-PHX - 15378 passengers, 26360 seats, 58.34% load factor
MCI-PHX - 27608 passengers, 30285 seats, 91.16% load factor
MCO-PHX - 12257 passengers, 13339 seats, 91.89% load factor
MDW-PHX - 62194 passengers, 67793 seats, 91.74% load factor
MEM-PHX - 6254 passengers, 6723 seats, 93.02% load factor
MKE-PHX - 19080 passengers, 21387 seats, 89.21% load factor
MSP-PHX - 11492 passengers, 13219 seats, 86.94% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8709 passengers, 9668 seats, 90.08% load factor
OAK-PHX - 48783 passengers, 53657 seats, 90.92% load factor
OGG-PHX - 822 passengers, 1400 seats, 58.71% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17105 passengers, 18220 seats, 93.88% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17595 passengers, 18361 seats, 95.83% load factor
ONT-PHX - 29314 passengers, 32590 seats, 89.95% load factor
ORD-PHX - 16697 passengers, 17971 seats, 92.91% load factor
PDX-PHX - 27336 passengers, 30223 seats, 90.45% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9315 passengers, 9619 seats, 96.84% load factor
PHX-PSP - 9523 passengers, 16146 seats, 58.98% load factor
PHX-RDU - 9229 passengers, 9969 seats, 92.58% load factor
PHX-RNO - 21169 passengers, 25361 seats, 83.47% load factor
PHX-SAN - 49342 passengers, 55703 seats, 88.58% load factor
PHX-SAT - 27820 passengers, 29591 seats, 94.02% load factor
PHX-SDF - 2490 passengers, 2623 seats, 94.93% load factor
PHX-SEA - 30201 passengers, 34165 seats, 88.40% load factor
PHX-SFO - 22703 passengers, 26422 seats, 85.92% load factor
PHX-SJC - 32307 passengers, 36858 seats, 87.65% load factor
PHX-SLC - 33393 passengers, 41475 seats, 80.51% load factor
PHX-SMF - 46568 passengers, 52218 seats, 89.18% load factor
PHX-SNA - 44829 passengers, 58341 seats, 76.84% load factor
PHX-STL - 26653 passengers, 29036 seats, 91.79% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8216 passengers, 9252 seats, 88.80% load factor
PHX-TUL - 9268 passengers, 9777 seats, 94.79% load factor

BA744PHX wrote:

AA update from November
PHX-DFW gets 2 daily 789 and 1 daily 772
PHX-ORD gets 1 daily 788
PHX-HNL gets 1 daily 789
PHX-OGG gets 1 daily 788

That is awesome!

BA744PHX wrote:

AA update from November
PHX-DFW gets 2 daily 789 and 1 daily 772
PHX-ORD gets 1 daily 788
PHX-HNL gets 1 daily 789
PHX-OGG gets 1 daily 788

ORD is 1x 789 and 1x 788

It just kills me. When I still lived in DC up to Oct. of 2014, for what seemed like decades, all my many, many trips between DCA & PHX on AA (which of course were all via either DFW or ORD) were virtually a solid wall of Mad Dogs (with occasional 757's thrown in pre-9/11 and pre-2008). NOW there's a plethora of widebodies.

cathay747 wrote:

When I still lived in DC up to Oct. of 2014, for what seemed like decades, all my many, many trips between DCA & PHX on AA (which of course were all via either DFW or ORD) were virtually a solid wall of Mad Dogs (with occasional 757's thrown in pre-9/11 and pre-2008). NOW there's a plethora of widebodies.

How times have changed…

Can’t wait for the hoards of people to be back in Phoenix for the winter. Bleh.

chrisair wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

When I still lived in DC up to Oct. of 2014, for what seemed like decades, all my many, many trips between DCA & PHX on AA (which of course were all via either DFW or ORD) were virtually a solid wall of Mad Dogs (with occasional 757's thrown in pre-9/11 and pre-2008). NOW there's a plethora of widebodies.

How times have changed…

Can’t wait for the hoards of people to be back in Phoenix for the winter. Bleh.

To be sure.

As for snow bird hordes, I hear ya, but they provide one helluva economic boost to the area & the state, so we shouldn't complain too loudly. At least a lot of them are our very friendly Canadian neighbors.

cathay747 wrote:

chrisair wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

When I still lived in DC up to Oct. of 2014, for what seemed like decades, all my many, many trips between DCA & PHX on AA (which of course were all via either DFW or ORD) were virtually a solid wall of Mad Dogs (with occasional 757's thrown in pre-9/11 and pre-2008). NOW there's a plethora of widebodies.

How times have changed…

Can’t wait for the hoards of people to be back in Phoenix for the winter. Bleh.

To be sure.

As for snow bird hordes, I hear ya, but they provide one helluva economic boost to the area & the state, so we shouldn't complain too loudly. At least a lot of them are our very friendly Canadian neighbors.

I live in the West valley very close to Sun City. Overall I find them pleasant and friendly as a good boost to the local economy. They are an occasional PIA on the road but ehh it's ok. The West Valley retiree's overwhelmingly prefer PHX over AZA.

Anyone know when the new WN gates are scheduled to open?
Thanks
Flyguy

wnflyguy wrote:

Anyone know when the new WN gates are scheduled to open?
Thanks
Flyguy

Last talk was June 2022. The bridge from S2 to N2 opens in November.

alasizon wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

Anyone know when the new WN gates are scheduled to open?
Thanks
Flyguy

Last talk was June 2022. The bridge from S2 to N2 opens in November.

I noticed construction immediately west of the A checkpoint. Is the bridge going to cut through the terminal behind the old Starbucks? I assume that it is a far less expensive option than to build one between N1 and S1, in the same fashion as N4/S4.

jmc1975 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

Anyone know when the new WN gates are scheduled to open?
Thanks
Flyguy

Last talk was June 2022. The bridge from S2 to N2 opens in November.

I noticed construction immediately west of the A checkpoint. Is the bridge going to cut through the terminal behind the old Starbucks? I assume that it is a far less expensive option than to build one between N1 and S1, in the same fashion as N4/S4.

Yes. It is also going to be the new combined exit for the A & D checkpoints giving them much needed room to expand (particularly A).

Denver Air Connection is starting PHX-TEX in December. Where at PHX will this operate from? Assuming this will be in a Dornier 328JET?

https://ktar.com/story/4701009/service- ... inter/amp/

jmc1975 wrote:

Denver Air Connection is starting PHX-TEX in December. Where at PHX will this operate from? Assuming this will be in a Dornier 328JET?

https://ktar.com/story/4701009/service- ... inter/amp/

It'll have to be T3S, the gating priority setup at T4 would allow AA/WN to bump them off a gate just due to aircraft size.

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in July 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 25926 passengers, 27989 seats, 92.63% load factor
ATL-PHX - 16458 passengers, 17917 seats, 91.86% load factor
AUS-PHX - 32478 passengers, 36325 seats, 89.41% load factor
BNA-PHX - 33889 passengers, 37061 seats, 91.44% load factor
BOI-PHX - 13507 passengers, 17390 seats, 77.67% load factor
BUR-PHX - 45862 passengers, 52444 seats, 87.45% load factor
BWI-PHX - 28466 passengers, 30314 seats, 93.90% load factor
BZN-PHX - 1777 passengers, 2431 seats, 73.10% load factor
CLE-PHX - 2997 passengers, 3084 seats, 97.18% load factor
CMH-PHX - 9671 passengers, 10543 seats, 91.73% load factor
COS-PHX - 15859 passengers, 18758 seats, 84.55% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1514 passengers, 1590 seats, 95.22% load factor
DAL-PHX - 64091 passengers, 69431 seats, 92.31% load factor
DEN-PHX - 71639 passengers, 80170 seats, 89.36% load factor
DTW-PHX - 2858 passengers, 2973 seats, 96.13% load factor
ELP-PHX - 25477 passengers, 27450 seats, 92.81% load factor
FLL-PHX - 6531 passengers, 7282 seats, 89.69% load factor
GEG-PHX - 11554 passengers, 14432 seats, 80.06% load factor
HNL-PHX - 18196 passengers, 21525 seats, 84.53% load factor
HOU-PHX - 43359 passengers, 48082 seats, 90.18% load factor
IAH-PHX - 3905 passengers, 4612 seats, 84.67% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1657 passengers, 1750 seats, 94.69% load factor
IND-PHX - 19929 passengers, 21449 seats, 92.91% load factor
LAS-PHX - 58241 passengers, 71626 seats, 81.31% load factor
LAX-PHX - 48172 passengers, 57465 seats, 83.83% load factor
LGB-PHX - 18154 passengers, 27139 seats, 66.89% load factor
MCI-PHX - 27258 passengers, 30667 seats, 88.88% load factor
MCO-PHX - 12950 passengers, 13894 seats, 93.21% load factor
MDW-PHX - 63175 passengers, 67680 seats, 93.34% load factor
MEM-PHX - 5784 passengers, 6149 seats, 94.06% load factor
MKE-PHX - 19621 passengers, 20845 seats, 94.13% load factor
MSP-PHX - 11028 passengers, 11900 seats, 92.67% load factor
MSY-PHX - 8984 passengers, 9651 seats, 93.09% load factor
OAK-PHX - 49287 passengers, 54351 seats, 90.68% load factor
OGG-PHX - 7457 passengers, 10850 seats, 68.73% load factor
OKC-PHX - 17679 passengers, 18918 seats, 93.45% load factor
OMA-PHX - 17618 passengers, 18647 seats, 94.48% load factor
ONT-PHX - 32038 passengers, 35403 seats, 90.50% load factor
ORD-PHX - 17181 passengers, 18861 seats, 91.09% load factor
PDX-PHX - 29809 passengers, 32434 seats, 91.91% load factor
PHX-PIT - 9120 passengers, 9380 seats, 97.23% load factor
PHX-PSP - 7995 passengers, 15638 seats, 51.13% load factor
PHX-RDU - 9199 passengers, 9730 seats, 94.54% load factor
PHX-RNO - 22784 passengers, 26537 seats, 85.86% load factor
PHX-SAN - 52694 passengers, 58262 seats, 90.44% load factor
PHX-SAT - 27365 passengers, 28904 seats, 94.68% load factor
PHX-SDF - 1376 passengers, 1430 seats, 96.22% load factor
PHX-SEA - 35702 passengers, 38316 seats, 93.18% load factor
PHX-SFO - 25206 passengers, 28172 seats, 89.47% load factor
PHX-SJC - 32779 passengers, 37537 seats, 87.32% load factor
PHX-SLC - 36612 passengers, 44365 seats, 82.52% load factor
PHX-SMF - 50762 passengers, 55714 seats, 91.11% load factor
PHX-SNA - 51311 passengers, 63607 seats, 80.67% load factor
PHX-STL - 27218 passengers, 29608 seats, 91.93% load factor
PHX-TPA - 8331 passengers, 9092 seats, 91.63% load factor
PHX-TUL - 10404 passengers, 11017 seats, 94.44% load factor

alasizon wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

Anyone know when the new WN gates are scheduled to open?
Thanks
Flyguy

Last talk was June 2022. The bridge from S2 to N2 opens in November.

I've heard October 29 as the opening date for the bridge. With both the A and D security checkpoint expansion being completed by March of next year.

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of PHX in August 2021:
ABQ-PHX - 25010 passengers, 27338 seats, 91.48% load factor
ATL-PHX - 15520 passengers, 17900 seats, 86.70% load factor
AUS-PHX - 25430 passengers, 35704 seats, 71.22% load factor
BNA-PHX - 28615 passengers, 36743 seats, 77.88% load factor
BOI-PHX - 11496 passengers, 17454 seats, 65.86% load factor
BUR-PHX - 39615 passengers, 52745 seats, 75.11% load factor
BWI-PHX - 26224 passengers, 28208 seats, 92.97% load factor
BZN-PHX - 1582 passengers, 2574 seats, 61.46% load factor
CLE-PHX - 2739 passengers, 2813 seats, 97.37% load factor
CMH-PHX - 8251 passengers, 10050 seats, 82.10% load factor
COS-PHX - 13738 passengers, 19123 seats, 71.84% load factor
CVG-PHX - 1148 passengers, 1272 seats, 90.25% load factor
DAL-PHX - 54942 passengers, 66695 seats, 82.38% load factor
DEN-PHX - 64516 passengers, 79741 seats, 80.91% load factor
DTW-PHX - 2767 passengers, 2894 seats, 95.61% load factor
ELP-PHX - 21796 passengers, 28022 seats, 77.78% load factor
FLL-PHX - 5282 passengers, 6932 seats, 76.20% load factor
GEG-PHX - 8018 passengers, 11079 seats, 72.37% load factor
HNL-PHX - 15236 passengers, 21175 seats, 71.95% load factor
HOU-PHX - 36057 passengers, 46906 seats, 76.87% load factor
IAH-PHX - 2430 passengers, 4230 seats, 57.45% load factor
ICT-PHX - 1164 passengers, 1400 seats, 83.14% load factor
IND-PHX - 18588 passengers, 22339 seats, 83.21% load factor
LAS-PHX - 52638 passengers, 70179 seats, 75.01% load factor
LAX-PHX - 43154 passengers, 57591 seats, 74.93% load factor
LGB-PHX - 16506 passengers, 27504 seats, 60.01% load factor
MCI-PHX - 23324 passengers, 29570 seats, 78.88% load factor
MCO-PHX - 10699 passengers, 13290 seats, 80.50% load factor
MDW-PHX - 56109 passengers, 60842 seats, 92.22% load factor
MEM-PHX - 4892 passengers, 5863 seats, 83.44% load factor
MKE-PHX - 17725 passengers, 20463 seats, 86.62% load factor
MSP-PHX - 10989 passengers, 12250 seats, 89.71% load factor
MSY-PHX - 7099 passengers, 8744 seats, 81.19% load factor
OAK-PHX - 44123 passengers, 53508 seats, 82.46% load factor
OGG-PHX - 6009 passengers, 10500 seats, 57.23% load factor
OKC-PHX - 14963 passengers, 18790 seats, 79.63% load factor
OMA-PHX - 15619 passengers, 18662 seats, 83.69% load factor
ONT-PHX - 29627 passengers, 35785 seats, 82.79% load factor
ORD-PHX - 15820 passengers, 18368 seats, 86.13% load factor
PDX-PHX - 27711 passengers, 31130 seats, 89.02% load factor
PHX-PIT - 8965 passengers, 9476 seats, 94.61% load factor
PHX-PSP - 6130 passengers, 14573 seats, 42.06% load factor
PHX-RDU - 8484 passengers, 9555 seats, 88.79% load factor
PHX-RNO - 18645 passengers, 25630 seats, 72.75% load factor
PHX-SAN - 49730 passengers, 57897 seats, 85.89% load factor
PHX-SAT - 25125 passengers, 29032 seats, 86.54% load factor
PHX-SDF - 1204 passengers, 1319 seats, 91.28% load factor
PHX-SEA - 32699 passengers, 37870 seats, 86.35% load factor
PHX-SFO - 21467 passengers, 27154 seats, 79.06% load factor
PHX-SJC - 28733 passengers, 37140 seats, 77.36% load factor
PHX-SLC - 31629 passengers, 43012 seats, 73.54% load factor
PHX-SMF - 44846 passengers, 55142 seats, 81.33% load factor
PHX-SNA - 46152 passengers, 62192 seats, 74.21% load factor
PHX-STL - 24290 passengers, 29623 seats, 82.00% load factor
PHX-TPA - 5990 passengers, 9474 seats, 63.23% load factor
PHX-TUL - 8561 passengers, 10714 seats, 79.90% load factor

The City of Phoenix is re-advertising their T4 horizontal and vertical transportation contract. It appears that the modernization will be awarded to construction firms who will represent the elevator/escalator/moving walkway vendors (Otis, ThyssenKrupp, Schindler, KONE).

Here is a PowerPoint showing what will be modernized:
https://solicitations.phoenix.gov/Solic ... entId=8443

11 moving walkways, 6 escalators, 9 elevators, and 1 freight elevator will be modernized. One new moving walkway will also be added.

1337Delta764 wrote:

The City of Phoenix is re-advertising their T4 horizontal and vertical transportation contract. It appears that the modernization will be awarded to construction firms who will represent the elevator/escalator/moving walkway vendors (Otis, ThyssenKrupp, Schindler, KONE).

Here is a PowerPoint showing what will be modernized:
https://solicitations.phoenix.gov/Solic ... entId=8443

11 moving walkways, 6 escalators, 9 elevators, and 1 freight elevator will be modernized. One new moving walkway will also be added.

This project needs to move fast, particularly for the escalators and elevators as they are failing at an absurd rate now.

alasizon wrote:

1337Delta764 wrote:

The City of Phoenix is re-advertising their T4 horizontal and vertical transportation contract. It appears that the modernization will be awarded to construction firms who will represent the elevator/escalator/moving walkway vendors (Otis, ThyssenKrupp, Schindler, KONE).

Here is a PowerPoint showing what will be modernized:
https://solicitations.phoenix.gov/Solic ... entId=8443

11 moving walkways, 6 escalators, 9 elevators, and 1 freight elevator will be modernized. One new moving walkway will also be added.

This project needs to move fast, particularly for the escalators and elevators as they are failing at an absurd rate now.

The original RFQ was postponed and eventually cancelled when the COVID-19 pandemic started. This is the third time they are advertising the RFQ.

In the last year and a half every time I flew out of PHX there was at least or more moving walkways not working. I had knee surgery and it was hard to walk that distance.

1337Delta764 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

1337Delta764 wrote:

The City of Phoenix is re-advertising their T4 horizontal and vertical transportation contract. It appears that the modernization will be awarded to construction firms who will represent the elevator/escalator/moving walkway vendors (Otis, ThyssenKrupp, Schindler, KONE).

Here is a PowerPoint showing what will be modernized:
https://solicitations.phoenix.gov/Solic ... entId=8443

11 moving walkways, 6 escalators, 9 elevators, and 1 freight elevator will be modernized. One new moving walkway will also be added.

This project needs to move fast, particularly for the escalators and elevators as they are failing at an absurd rate now.

The original RFQ was postponed and eventually cancelled when the COVID-19 pandemic started. This is the third time they are advertising the RFQ.

I'm surprised the new moving walkway is part of this RFQ instead of having been part of the overall S1 project since it was a direct result of the S2/N2 connector.

alasizon wrote:

1337Delta764 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

This project needs to move fast, particularly for the escalators and elevators as they are failing at an absurd rate now.

The original RFQ was postponed and eventually cancelled when the COVID-19 pandemic started. This is the third time they are advertising the RFQ.

I'm surprised the new moving walkway is part of this RFQ instead of having been part of the overall S1 project since it was a direct result of the S2/N2 connector.

My guess is that it wasn't included in the original scope of the project, and therefore requires another RFQ/RFP process.

From 02/18 AC will take over Rouge on PHX-YUL, 3 weekly

As of now, RV will no longer serve PHX, YYC and YVR converted from RV to AC/Express in the last year as well

BA744PHX wrote:

From 02/18 AC will take over Rouge on PHX-YUL, 3 weekly

As of now, RV will no longer serve PHX, YYC and YVR converted from RV to AC/Express in the last year as well

This strikes me as odd, given that PHX is exactly the type of market that Rouge is meant for IMHO.

I've just found in the GDS schedules that as from 27MAR BA is upgauging BA288/289 from/to LHR to an A350-1000 for the IATA summer season thru 29OCT.

cathay747 wrote:

I've just found in the GDS schedules that as from 27MAR BA is upgauging BA288/289 from/to LHR to an A350-1000 for the IATA summer season thru 29OCT.

Anyone know if BA's equipment loaded for the summer is final? It was always planned to be an A350.

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

I've just found in the GDS schedules that as from 27MAR BA is upgauging BA288/289 from/to LHR to an A350-1000 for the IATA summer season thru 29OCT.

It was always planned to be an A350.

I guess I didn't get the memo; sorry if I posted old news. I'm just surprised they're intending to put their most recent Club World (upgraded-) product on the PHX route given that they only have 8 of these aircraft so far; plus the increase in capacity overall.

cathay747 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

I've just found in the GDS schedules that as from 27MAR BA is upgauging BA288/289 from/to LHR to an A350-1000 for the IATA summer season thru 29OCT.

It was always planned to be an A350.

I guess I didn't get the memo; sorry if I posted old news. I'm just surprised they're intending to put their most recent Club World (upgraded-) product on the PHX route given that they only have 8 of these aircraft so far; plus the increase in capacity overall.

Hi cathay747, I believe it was loaded over the summer 21 for summer 22 for the A350. I've been having troubles confirmed for W23 a/c i cant seem to figure out if its 777-300 or 200

cathay747 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

I've just found in the GDS schedules that as from 27MAR BA is upgauging BA288/289 from/to LHR to an A350-1000 for the IATA summer season thru 29OCT.

It was always planned to be an A350.

I guess I didn't get the memo; sorry if I posted old news. I'm just surprised they're intending to put their most recent Club World (upgraded-) product on the PHX route given that they only have 8 of these aircraft so far; plus the increase in capacity overall.

Oddly, PHX is one of BA's best J/F performers due to the lack of competition and strong post-LHR demand so the use of an A350 doesn't surprise me. In 2019 there was a 3 month period or so where BA was using one of their High-J 747s for PHX and most nights it was filled with revenue pax and not upgrades.

There was discussion, I think in the 2020 thread, about whether or not cargo capacity also played a role in choosing the 350.

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

It was always planned to be an A350.

I guess I didn't get the memo; sorry if I posted old news. I'm just surprised they're intending to put their most recent Club World (upgraded-) product on the PHX route given that they only have 8 of these aircraft so far; plus the increase in capacity overall.

Oddly, PHX is one of BA's best J/F performers due to the lack of competition and strong post-LHR demand so the use of an A350 doesn't surprise me. In 2019 there was a 3 month period or so where BA was using one of their High-J 747s for PHX and most nights it was filled with revenue pax and not upgrades.

There was discussion, I think in the 2020 thread, about whether or not cargo capacity also played a role in choosing the 350.

While I don't have evidence to refute your claim, I am skeptical of the premium performance on this route. When they were doing 74 retrofits, PHX was one of the cities targeted for the old product right up until the entire fleet was finished, and for a while, F was not even sold as a result. I'm also willing to bet that the overall premium is significantly lower than the likes of NYC, IAD, BOS, LAX, MIA, etc. simply based on the premium dynamic of those cities. So I guess it all depends on what you define as "one of the best", but I'm personally skeptical upon seeing claims like that without supporting data.

I'm sure the yield is quite a bit better than PHX typically is overall, and surely that is driven by a lack of competition, but I would be curious to see if that increased yield is driven by higher profitability in Y rather than in a premium class. I always had the impression that BA utilized larger aircraft to PHX not for the seats up front, but for the seat count in back. That's why I believed they ran double daily for a while, and eventually the addition of AA on the route.

By no means am I trying to attack you or your statement, just registering my reservations re: premium demand/yield.

AZ Cardinals new 777 arrived this afternoon:

https://www.azcardinals.com/news/arizona-cardinals-buy-new-boeing-777-airplane-for-team-travel

MO11 wrote:

AZ Cardinals new 777 arrived this afternoon:

https://www.azcardinals.com/news/arizona-cardinals-buy-new-boeing-777-airplane-for-team-travel

Wondering which airline will be operating the aircraft. Seems to me to be a waste of money for 8-10 road trips a year.

910A wrote:

MO11 wrote:

AZ Cardinals new 777 arrived this afternoon:

https://www.azcardinals.com/news/arizona-cardinals-buy-new-boeing-777-airplane-for-team-travel

Wondering which airline will be operating the aircraft. Seems to me to be a waste of money for 8-10 road trips a year.

Possibly Swift? They operated the team jet for the Yotes. I wouldn't expect this plane to hang around for longer than a year or two — it's too uneconomical with too many logistical issues if there are maintenance problems. There's a reason pretty much every team in every sport contracts out, and it isn't because they're cheap or don't have the money. It's just easier and more reliable to charter.

What’s the reg number on the cards plane? That should tell us the previous owner and operator, right? I couldn’t read it in those photos.

I would assume they would charter it out when they’re not using it, and most likely they scooped it up pretty cheaply with air travel getting whacked by covid.

Looks like N867DA

hz747300 wrote:

What’s the reg number on the cards plane? That should tell us the previous owner and operator, right? I couldn’t read it in those photos.

I would assume they would charter it out when they’re not using it, and most likely they scooped it up pretty cheaply with air travel getting whacked by covid.

N867DA, a former DL 777 that was parked withdrawn from service and parked at VCV from October 2020 to September 2021, presumably when the lessor (Wilmington Trust) leased it to the Cardinals.

atcsundevil wrote:

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

I guess I didn't get the memo; sorry if I posted old news. I'm just surprised they're intending to put their most recent Club World (upgraded-) product on the PHX route given that they only have 8 of these aircraft so far; plus the increase in capacity overall.

Oddly, PHX is one of BA's best J/F performers due to the lack of competition and strong post-LHR demand so the use of an A350 doesn't surprise me. In 2019 there was a 3 month period or so where BA was using one of their High-J 747s for PHX and most nights it was filled with revenue pax and not upgrades.

There was discussion, I think in the 2020 thread, about whether or not cargo capacity also played a role in choosing the 350.

While I don't have evidence to refute your claim, I am skeptical of the premium performance on this route. When they were doing 74 retrofits, PHX was one of the cities targeted for the old product right up until the entire fleet was finished, and for a while, F was not even sold as a result. I'm also willing to bet that the overall premium is significantly lower than the likes of NYC, IAD, BOS, LAX, MIA, etc. simply based on the premium dynamic of those cities. So I guess it all depends on what you define as "one of the best", but I'm personally skeptical upon seeing claims like that without supporting data.

I'm sure the yield is quite a bit better than PHX typically is overall, and surely that is driven by a lack of competition, but I would be curious to see if that increased yield is driven by higher profitability in Y rather than in a premium class. I always had the impression that BA utilized larger aircraft to PHX not for the seats up front, but for the seat count in back. That's why I believed they ran double daily for a while, and eventually the addition of AA on the route.

By no means am I trying to attack you or your statement, just registering my reservations re: premium demand/yield.

From my understanding and the info I had a few years back, the yields on J/F were better than other locations on the flow through over LHR compared to other markets that were more competitive. For example, SFO-LHR yielded higher than PHX-LHR but SFO-LHR-SVO yielded much lower than PHX-LHR-SVO. In turn this brought the whole PHX-LHR yield to be one of the top performers amongst the mid-J 744 markets. Basically people were overpaying for the convenience of having the longhaul flight out of PHX. I'll see if I can find the old data.

^ thanks for all the replies with great info re: BA and the A350 issue; interesting discussion.

atcsundevil wrote:

910A wrote:

MO11 wrote:

AZ Cardinals new 777 arrived this afternoon:

https://www.azcardinals.com/news/arizona-cardinals-buy-new-boeing-777-airplane-for-team-travel

Wondering which airline will be operating the aircraft. Seems to me to be a waste of money for 8-10 road trips a year.

Possibly Swift? They operated the team jet for the Yotes. I wouldn't expect this plane to hang around for longer than a year or two — it's too uneconomical with too many logistical issues if there are maintenance problems. There's a reason pretty much every team in every sport contracts out, and it isn't because they're cheap or don't have the money. It's just easier and more reliable to charter.

I didn't see that coming. I think it is very nice livery. Might be a vanity project for the Cards.

Maverick623 wrote:

hz747300 wrote:

What’s the reg number on the cards plane? That should tell us the previous owner and operator, right? I couldn’t read it in those photos.

I would assume they would charter it out when they’re not using it, and most likely they scooped it up pretty cheaply with air travel getting whacked by covid.

N867DA, a former DL 777 that was parked withdrawn from service and parked at VCV from October 2020 to September 2021, presumably when the lessor (Wilmington Trust) leased it to the Cardinals.

Delta, which owned the airplane, sold it to a trust controlled by the Cardinals in September. Wilmington Trust does not lease airplanes.

atcsundevil wrote:

910A wrote:

MO11 wrote:

AZ Cardinals new 777 arrived this afternoon:

https://www.azcardinals.com/news/arizona-cardinals-buy-new-boeing-777-airplane-for-team-travel

Wondering which airline will be operating the aircraft. Seems to me to be a waste of money for 8-10 road trips a year.

Possibly Swift? They operated the team jet for the Yotes. I wouldn't expect this plane to hang around for longer than a year or two — it's too uneconomical with too many logistical issues if there are maintenance problems. There's a reason pretty much every team in every sport contracts out, and it isn't because they're cheap or don't have the money. It's just easier and more reliable to charter.

I'm wondering if Omni actually owns and operates this airplane and it's just the designated Cardinals charter airplane during the season.

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

atcsundevil wrote:

910A wrote:

Wondering which airline will be operating the aircraft. Seems to me to be a waste of money for 8-10 road trips a year.

Possibly Swift? They operated the team jet for the Yotes. I wouldn't expect this plane to hang around for longer than a year or two — it's too uneconomical with too many logistical issues if there are maintenance problems. There's a reason pretty much every team in every sport contracts out, and it isn't because they're cheap or don't have the money. It's just easier and more reliable to charter.

I'm wondering if Omni actually owns and operates this airplane and it's just the designated Cardinals charter airplane during the season.

I can actually see how such an arrangement would make a lot of sense for everybody involved. I know Delta has an arrangement with the NBA (and MLB?) wherein they handle maintenance and crew, which seems like it benefits everybody. In this case, if the operator were able to utilize the aircraft when it's not reserved by the Cards, it would definitely defray some of the ownership costs.

atcsundevil wrote:

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

atcsundevil wrote:

Possibly Swift? They operated the team jet for the Yotes. I wouldn't expect this plane to hang around for longer than a year or two — it's too uneconomical with too many logistical issues if there are maintenance problems. There's a reason pretty much every team in every sport contracts out, and it isn't because they're cheap or don't have the money. It's just easier and more reliable to charter.

I'm wondering if Omni actually owns and operates this airplane and it's just the designated Cardinals charter airplane during the season.

I can actually see how such an arrangement would make a lot of sense for everybody involved. I know Delta has an arrangement with the NBA (and MLB?) wherein they handle maintenance and crew, which seems like it benefits everybody. In this case, if the operator were able to utilize the aircraft when it's not reserved by the Cards, it would definitely defray some of the ownership costs.

I recall from the JJ Watts signing, that Bidwill was certified on the Falcon. It'd be great if he was certified on the 777 as well. Based on the results from Sunday, seems like the players should have focused more on the Lions than sending tweets of themselves in the left hand seat, haha.... They should give the plane back, damn that was terrible.

hz747300 wrote:

Based on the results from Sunday, seems like the players should have focused more on the Lions than sending tweets of themselves in the left hand seat, haha.... They should give the plane back, damn that was terrible.

Based on how some players played, they should stick them on a King Air with no bathroom.

After dropping the team off in PHX the plane went to MZJ where it is now parked. I am guessing that it will be stored there until it is used again. After that game in Detroit they should have walked home!

Correct the Airport ID