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Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:07 pm

Welcome to the Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW / DAL) Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:31 pm

Anyone know when the rebuild of runway 18R/36L is supposed to be completed?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:37 pm

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Anyone know when the rebuild of runway 18R/36L is supposed to be completed?

The schedule says Mid-March 2021. Not sure what reality is. https://www.dfwairport.com/aircraftnoise/index.php
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:48 pm

Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 2020 Summary:

- DFW became the world's busiest airport a few times during the year.
- AA launched flights to Portland (PWM), Daytona Beach, Loreto, La Paz, and Tokyo-Haneda.
- Japan Airlines launched HND-DFW while temporarily reinstating sub-daily NRT-DFW flights
- JetBlue launched JFK-DFW
- VivaAerobus returned to DFW after five years with flights to Mexico City and Monterrey
- Volaris launched MEX-DFW

2021 Notes

- AA plans to launch DFW to Beijing Daxing, Tel Aviv, and Auckland
- AA plans to launch DFW to Fairbanks, Long Beach, Eugene, Orlando-Melbourne, Fayetteville (FAY), and Manzanillo
- AA axed Munich and possibly Quito and Guayaquil
- Aeromexico has zeroed out all DFW flights through 2021
- Air France has zeroed out all DFW flights through 2021
- Currently Suspended: Air Canada, Emirates, Lufthansa, Qantas
- Delta cancelled plans to launch SEA-DFW

2021 Possibilities:

- In 2020, AA designated DFW as its "gateway to Asia". Will we see more flights to Asia?
- What other destinations could AA expand to from DFW?
- Will Aeromexico and Air France actually return to DFW?
- Could any other airlines add flights to DFW?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:43 am

Ishrion wrote:
In 2020, AA designated DFW as its "gateway to Asia". Will we see more flights to Asia?


AA adding DFW-NGO/KIX nonstop service might be possibilities due to
(a) companies based in Greater Nagoya and Greater Osaka that have their North American headquarters in the DFW Metroplex such as Toyota (based in Greater Nagoya) having its headquarters in Plano and Kubota (based in Osaka) having its North American headquarters in Grapevine, TX near DFW Airport,
(b) Greater Osaka being one of the largest markets by population in the world that isn't served nonstop from DFW,
(c) connecting opportunities available onto JL NGO-TSN/TPE and KIX-BKK/TPE flights, and
(d) connecting opportunities available to other AA destinations in the U.S. (especially in the South) at DFW.

AA adding DFW-TPE nonstop service might be a possibility due to (a) Taiwan currently lacking AA service whereas Japan, Mainland China, Hong Kong, and South Korea are already served by AA, (b) TPE not currently having any nonstop service to DFW, and (c) AA adding DFW-TPE would provide easier access to Taiwan from the U.S.

AA adding DFW-KUL nonstop service might also be a possibility if there is enough demand due to (a) oneworld member airline MH having its main hub at KUL, (b) connecting opportunities available to Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore at KUL on MH, and (c) AA having connecting feed from other U.S. destinations.

Ishrion wrote:
What other destinations could AA expand to from DFW?


AA adding DFW-ALB/BTV/CHO/MFR/PVD/ROA/ROC/AVP/SYR nonstop service are possibilities with ALB, BTV, CHO, MFR, PVD, ROA, ROC, AVP, and SYR being top domestic destinations traveled to from DFW that aren't currently served nonstop from DFW. AA also would not face any competition from WN on DFW-BTV/CHO/MFR/ROA/AVP/SYR, whereas WN has 1-stop connecting service to ALB, PVD, and ROC from DAL.

Ishrion wrote:
Could any other airlines add flights to DFW?


While TYO already has nonstop service from DFW on both AA and JL, I have previously mentioned NH possibly adding DFW-TYO nonstop service if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to TYO from DFW due to the business ties that exist between the DFW Metroplex and Japan along with the connecting opportunities available at TYO on NH and its partners.

EI adding DFW-DUB nonstop service and IB adding DFW-MAD nonstop service might be possibilities due to (a) connecting opportunities available at DUB and MAD to other European destinations, (b) EI and IB both being members of the AA/BA/IB/AY/EI TATL JV, and (c) EI and IB being able to offer connections onto AA flights out of DFW.

HA adding DFW-HNL nonstop service might be a possibility with DFW being one of the top domestic destinations traveled to from HNL that isn't currently served by HA.

While G4 doesn't currently serve the Dallas/Fort Worth market, G4 had previously mentioned possibly adding some international flights out of DFW in an application for international service that was approved in 2019.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:53 am

jplatts wrote:

AA adding DFW-ALB/BTV/CHO/MFR/PVD/ROA/ROC/AVP/SYR nonstop service are possibilities with ALB, BTV, CHO, MFR, PVD, ROA, ROC, AVP, and SYR being top domestic destinations traveled to from DFW that aren't currently served nonstop from DFW. AA also would not face any competition from WN on DFW-BTV/CHO/MFR/ROA/AVP/SYR, whereas WN has 1-stop connecting service to ALB, PVD, and ROC from DAL.


I'd hold my breath on most of those, especially in the Northeast. Most/all of the Northeast cities have connections over ORD, PHL and CLT, which easily covers most of the first and second tier destinations in the West. Adding DFW would give you single-connect service to some of the smaller towns in Texas and the Southwest, and I'm not sure there's enough traffic to support those.

MFR-DFW is a 1552 mile flight - towards the end of the E175 range. With the new AS partnership and existing PHX service, that's probably enough over a long, thin 175 route that would chew up a lot of block time (this also applies to BTV/PVD/ALB/etc). You're looking at 8 hour DFW-outstation-DFW block times minimally here - that's a lot of aircraft time for markets that can easily flow over three other hubs.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:13 am

jplatts wrote:
AA adding DFW-NGO/KIX


I agree, those routes are likely to be added within the next few years - optimistically.

JL even ran two DFW-NGO passenger flights last month.

jplatts wrote:
AA adding DFW-KUL nonstop service might also be a possibility if there is enough demand due to (a) oneworld member airline MH having its main hub at KUL, (b) connecting opportunities available to Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore at KUL on MH, and (c) AA having connecting feed from other U.S. destinations.


As much as I'd like to see this, it's not possible with AA's current aircraft as DFW-KUL is over 9,600 miles. If AA were to add KUL, it would likely need to be from SEA to decrease the distance.

deltairlines wrote:
MFR-DFW is a 1552 mile flight - towards the end of the E175 range. With the new AS partnership and existing PHX service, that's probably enough over a long, thin 175 route that would chew up a lot of block time (this also applies to BTV/PVD/ALB/etc). You're looking at 8 hour DFW-outstation-DFW block times minimally here - that's a lot of aircraft time for markets that can easily flow over three other hubs.


For what it's worth, AA just added DFW to Eugene, a 1,600 mile E-175 flight. AA already serves PHX-EUG.

However, I'm unsure of the difference in O&D between DFW-EUG and DFW-MFR.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:38 pm

jplatts wrote:
EI adding DFW-DUB nonstop service and IB adding DFW-MAD nonstop service might be possibilities due to (a) connecting opportunities available at DUB and MAD to other European destinations, (b) EI and IB both being members of the AA/BA/IB/AY/EI TATL JV, and (c) EI and IB being able to offer connections onto AA flights out of DFW.


DFW-DUB already has nonstop summer service from AA with 3 cabin 789. Also there are equipment differences. EI does not offer a PE cabin in their 333/332, but do have the very nice single "throne" seats in business class.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:16 pm

jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
In 2020, AA designated DFW as its "gateway to Asia". Will we see more flights to Asia?


AA adding DFW-NGO/KIX nonstop service might be possibilities due to
(a) companies based in Greater Nagoya and Greater Osaka that have their North American headquarters in the DFW Metroplex such as Toyota (based in Greater Nagoya) having its headquarters in Plano and Kubota (based in Osaka) having its North American headquarters in Grapevine, TX near DFW Airport,
(b) Greater Osaka being one of the largest markets by population in the world that isn't served nonstop from DFW,
(c) connecting opportunities available onto JL NGO-TSN/TPE and KIX-BKK/TPE flights, and
(d) connecting opportunities available to other AA destinations in the U.S. (especially in the South) at DFW.

AA adding DFW-TPE nonstop service might be a possibility due to (a) Taiwan currently lacking AA service whereas Japan, Mainland China, Hong Kong, and South Korea are already served by AA, (b) TPE not currently having any nonstop service to DFW, and (c) AA adding DFW-TPE would provide easier access to Taiwan from the U.S.

AA adding DFW-KUL nonstop service might also be a possibility if there is enough demand due to (a) oneworld member airline MH having its main hub at KUL, (b) connecting opportunities available to Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore at KUL on MH, and (c) AA having connecting feed from other U.S. destinations.

Ishrion wrote:
What other destinations could AA expand to from DFW?


AA adding DFW-ALB/BTV/CHO/MFR/PVD/ROA/ROC/AVP/SYR nonstop service are possibilities with ALB, BTV, CHO, MFR, PVD, ROA, ROC, AVP, and SYR being top domestic destinations traveled to from DFW that aren't currently served nonstop from DFW. AA also would not face any competition from WN on DFW-BTV/CHO/MFR/ROA/AVP/SYR, whereas WN has 1-stop connecting service to ALB, PVD, and ROC from DAL.

Ishrion wrote:
Could any other airlines add flights to DFW?


While TYO already has nonstop service from DFW on both AA and JL, I have previously mentioned NH possibly adding DFW-TYO nonstop service if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to TYO from DFW due to the business ties that exist between the DFW Metroplex and Japan along with the connecting opportunities available at TYO on NH and its partners.

EI adding DFW-DUB nonstop service and IB adding DFW-MAD nonstop service might be possibilities due to (a) connecting opportunities available at DUB and MAD to other European destinations, (b) EI and IB both being members of the AA/BA/IB/AY/EI TATL JV, and (c) EI and IB being able to offer connections onto AA flights out of DFW.

HA adding DFW-HNL nonstop service might be a possibility with DFW being one of the top domestic destinations traveled to from HNL that isn't currently served by HA.

While G4 doesn't currently serve the Dallas/Fort Worth market, G4 had previously mentioned possibly adding some international flights out of DFW in an application for international service that was approved in 2019.


If AA were to fly DFW-KIX, it would mark a return to Osaka for them, as American flew it briefly in 2005 on what was then a 3 class 777-200ER and also, I think operated it in the late 1980s. NGO would be an interesting add, and there are natural links between the DFW metro area and Nagoya but it's a long and thin route for sure, though the 788 would seem to be the logical aircraft for this route. TPE, yes, maybe, though would require some sort of marketing and code share with one of Taiwan's two big airlines, neither of which are in OW. At 8,291 miles, it is within range of the 789. The chance of AA starting a DFW-KUL nonstop is essentially non-existent. It is 9600 miles. The 789 does not have the legs for it, and neither does the 77W which is too much plane for what is a small market. AA struggles with TPAC (Asia) due to relatively weak point of sales originating in the region.

I'd think the DFW-AKL flight will get pushed out by a year. I think we'll see a DFW-TLV nonstop starting later this year.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:59 pm

With Air Canada currently suspended, I noticed that American is sending some flights into Gate E2.

Unrelated note: I also found that Volaris was operating flights out of the remote stands at Future terminal F, with buses from Gate D5 (here's the video I got it from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw9Y9qk ... FWAviation)

When will the D concourse extension be open?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:35 pm

Looks like Emirates is changing its schedule to DFW from March.

Now the departure time for EK222 is 18:45 instead of 11:15 am.

And the route will be served by 777-200LR instead of 300ER.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:11 pm

audian wrote:
Looks like Emirates is changing its schedule to DFW from March.

Now the departure time for EK222 is 18:45 instead of 11:15 am.

And the route will be served by 777-200LR instead of 300ER.


So the Qatar and Emirates flights will be departing within an hour of each other.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:40 am

Delta28L wrote:
audian wrote:
Looks like Emirates is changing its schedule to DFW from March.

Now the departure time for EK222 is 18:45 instead of 11:15 am.

And the route will be served by 777-200LR instead of 300ER.


So the Qatar and Emirates flights will be departing within an hour of each other.


Looks like it.

Qatar operates an A350 to DFW, which in my view offers superior on board experience compared to 772.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:47 am

audian wrote:
Looks like Emirates is changing its schedule to DFW from March.

Now the departure time for EK222 is 18:45 instead of 11:15 am.

And the route will be served by 777-200LR instead of 300ER.


Notably, Emirates moved its passenger DFW resumption from March 30 to March 2. I suppose they're seeing some increased bookings or potential cargo opportunities.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:55 pm

I noticed that F9 will have increased service to DFW in the Spring.

How does F9 do at DFW? Do they only use one gate (E20)?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:03 pm

Qatar is increasing DFW from daily to 10x weekly starting March 2.

777-200LR operates the new frequency. It arrives at 8:50 AM and departs at 11:35 PM.

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:10 am

Japan Airlines is adding more limited Nagoya flights.

One-way NGO-DFW on March 12

One-way DFW-NGO on March 13 and 20

https://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/202101/005935.html
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:51 pm

jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
In 2020, AA designated DFW as its "gateway to Asia". Will we see more flights to Asia?


AA adding DFW-NGO/KIX nonstop service might be possibilities.



If I am not mistaken, AA has tried DFW-KIX at least twice and possible three times?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:14 pm

gdg9 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
In 2020, AA designated DFW as its "gateway to Asia". Will we see more flights to Asia?


AA adding DFW-NGO/KIX nonstop service might be possibilities.



If I am not mistaken, AA has tried DFW-KIX at least twice and possible three times?


I think it was twice? The last attempt began in 2006 and ended in 2007.

Obviously that was much before the JAL joint venture, the shift in Japanese businesses to DFW, and AA’s massive growth at DFW for potential connections. Although, COVID has likely destroyed DFW-KIX being feasible for at least several years.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:18 pm

“Medford Airport asks for support in adding flight to Dallas-Fort Worth”

http://www.kdrv.com/templates/AMP?contentID=573684931
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:53 pm

DFW is using Runway 31L for landing and 31R for takeoffs/landings. Definitely a rare occasion.

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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:38 pm

Ishrion wrote:
DFW is using Runway 31L for landing and 31R for takeoffs/landings. Definitely a rare occasion.

Came to this thread to say exactly that. Most planes are holding in racetrack patterns over north Texas. DFW Metar says winds are gusting to 42 knots (48mph).
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:40 pm

Yep, 17L got suddenly very quiet.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:58 pm

Some takeoffs on 31R also, like AA1280 DFW-EWR.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
Some takeoffs on 31R also, like AA1280 DFW-EWR.


It looks like they’ve consolidated it so that all landings are on 31L and all takeoffs are on 31R.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:17 pm

I've been watching them build the extension to the international terminal but can't tell how many gets there will be 3 maybe 4. Saw a TUI 787 at DFW not to long ago, not sure if it was charter or cargo. nice to see something different at DFW.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:59 pm

I’m on AA639 SFO-DFW. Diverted to Austin (skd 1:31p arrival) and still here (now 4p) along with DFW inbounds from LAX and PDX (all I can see from my window).
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:13 pm

FURUREFA wrote:
I’m on AA639 SFO-DFW. Diverted to Austin (skd 1:31p arrival) and still here (now 4p) along with DFW inbounds from LAX and PDX (all I can see from my window).

That must suck. So you've been sitting on the apron for 3 hours? Do you have a connection in DFW?
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:26 pm

Super88 wrote:
I've been watching them build the extension to the international terminal but can't tell how many gets there will be 3 maybe 4. Saw a TUI 787 at DFW not to long ago, not sure if it was charter or cargo. nice to see something different at DFW.


The extension will have capacity for four narrowbody aircraft or two widebody aircraft. Four jetbridges in total.

The TUI was a cargo-only flight and it was cool to see.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:30 am

Ishrion wrote:
For what it's worth, AA just added DFW to Eugene, a 1,600 mile E-175 flight.


Per AA.com the block time for flight #4061 DFW to EUG is 4:20.
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:15 pm

citationjet wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
For what it's worth, AA just added DFW to Eugene, a 1,600 mile E-175 flight.


Per AA.com the block time for flight #4061 DFW to EUG is 4:20.


Having flown many DAL-SEA/PDX runs on the ERJ-175 on Horizon/Skywest, I'm here to tell you it's not a bad plane for it, HOWEVER, the Lavatory tank often fills up before arrival, rendering both toilets INOP.
Now that is an issue in a hurry.
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:25 pm

Ishrion wrote:
“Medford Airport asks for support in adding flight to Dallas-Fort Worth”

http://www.kdrv.com/templates/AMP?contentID=573684931


I agree that AA adding DFW-MFR nonstop service might be a possibility with
(a) the connections that AA would be able to offer through DFW,
(b) MFR being slightly closer to DFW than EUG,
(c) AA recently adding DFW-EUG nonstop service, and
(d) AA being able to use E-175 regional jets to serve MFR nonstop from DFW.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:00 pm

Ishrion wrote:
DFW is using Runway 31L for landing and 31R for takeoffs/landings. Definitely a rare occasion.

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My FAVORITE time to go spotting at DFW (pre-COVID times that is! :cloudnine: ) love watching the heavies take off on 31R and anything land 31L! :D

Now would there EVER be a situation to have landings on 13L.... :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:04 pm

Can someone explain to me why they’d use 31R for takeoff over 31L when ‘Left’ is slightly (300 ft) longer?
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:41 pm

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Can someone explain to me why they’d use 31R for takeoff over 31L when ‘Left’ is slightly (300 ft) longer?


31L go arounds can easily be turned west to de-conflict with 31R departures (of which two headings were used).

In the other scenario, turning a 31R arrival east into DAL doesn't work well for anyone involved. And as you said the difference in length is pretty marginal. We're talking full power takeoffs in strong winds in January. Watching the wind drift and groundspeed was fun.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:53 pm

mcoatc wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Can someone explain to me why they’d use 31R for takeoff over 31L when ‘Left’ is slightly (300 ft) longer?


31L go arounds can easily be turned west to de-conflict with 31R departures (of which two headings were used).

In the other scenario, turning a 31R arrival east into DAL doesn't work well for anyone involved. And as you said the difference in length is pretty marginal. We're talking full power takeoffs in strong winds in January. Watching the wind drift and groundspeed was fun.


That makes sense (regarding the DAL traffic). Thanks for sharing.

Regarding takeoff - Just because it's windy and January doesn't have anything to do with 'full power takeoffs'. 9,000 ft is adequate for 99% of flights and given that it's A. into the wind and B. not hot -- a vast majority of flights would not need 'full takeoff power'. Perhaps a few flights to the Middle East or Asia (if operating), but not flights to Europe or even East Asia (Japan, etc).
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:19 pm

My flight from MIA-DFW on a 777-200 in December landed on 31R. It was weird coming in at an angle I'm not used to over the metroplex, harder to realize where in DFW I was!
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:36 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
mcoatc wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Can someone explain to me why they’d use 31R for takeoff over 31L when ‘Left’ is slightly (300 ft) longer?


31L go arounds can easily be turned west to de-conflict with 31R departures (of which two headings were used).

In the other scenario, turning a 31R arrival east into DAL doesn't work well for anyone involved. And as you said the difference in length is pretty marginal. We're talking full power takeoffs in strong winds in January. Watching the wind drift and groundspeed was fun.


That makes sense (regarding the DAL traffic). Thanks for sharing.

Regarding takeoff - Just because it's windy and January doesn't have anything to do with 'full power takeoffs'. 9,000 ft is adequate for 99% of flights and given that it's A. into the wind and B. not hot -- a vast majority of flights would not need 'full takeoff power'. Perhaps a few flights to the Middle East or Asia (if operating), but not flights to Europe or even East Asia (Japan, etc).


Not trying to come across snarky, but I am aware of runway performance needs. The wind direction was the issue. With the wind at a 230-240 bearing for a while, there were crosswind gusts over 30kts. The airport could have been in a south flow as well, but you can't chase the wind every 20 minutes. Anyway, I'm of the impression that those crosswind components often don't allow for derated/flex etc. And I'm quite possibly wrong. I shouldn't have made a definitive statement. Nevertheless, the runway length wasn't what I was concerned with.
 
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:37 am

AA is adding DFW to Merida (MID), St. Lucia (UVF), and St. Maarten (SXM): https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx

DFW now has nonstops to 26 destinations in Mexico, which is quite impressive.

25 existing ones excluding Merida:

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https://twitter.com/SalesInter/status/1 ... 6548447236
 
Ishrion
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Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:51 pm

Some updates:

- Qantas will now resume DFW on October 31 with the 787-9 instead of July
- Lufthansa pushed back DFW resumption to May 1
- From the OAG Thread VivaAerobus is increasing MTY-DFW, which launched a few months back: VB DFW-MTY APR 0.3>0.8[0] MAY 0.3>0.8[0]
- Southwest added DAL-VPS
 
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Fort Worth Engineering Firm gets DFW Term-C contract

Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:38 pm

The overhaul of DFW Terminal C now has a contractor. IMHO, it is well overdue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-t ... 44633.html
 
alasizon
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Re: Fort Worth Engineering Firm gets DFW Term-C contract

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:12 pm

Much needed undertaking and probably one of the most in depth refreshes out there.

Can someone remind me why it took so long between when they decided not to TRIP C and getting the contractor selected?
 
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Re: Fort Worth Engineering Firm gets DFW Term-C contract

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:16 pm

Is the southernmost portion of Terminal C going to get a more permanent structure instead of the existing glorified modular structure?
 
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Re: Fort Worth Engineering Firm gets DFW Term-C contract

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:27 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Is the southernmost portion of Terminal C going to get a more permanent structure instead of the existing glorified modular structure?


That area has been closed along with gates C35-39 for over a year now, I'm sure the area will be demolished and replaced with a proper building.
 
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Re: Fort Worth Engineering Firm gets DFW Term-C contract

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:37 pm

Basic question, but is doing TRIP to C really all that much cheaper than just building a Terminal F? Especially since the original DFW layout has basically been hacked into being hubbable and a brand new terminal would likely bring efficiency gains.
 
LongLayover
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AA mainline now flying into Terminal E at DFW?

Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:17 am

I showed an A319 Flight 2232 from Austin parked at E5 on flight radar. I checked the AA app to verify. Other than the satellite how many gates does AA have in terminal E?

Sorry, it’s been about a year since I’ve been to DFW
 
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Re: AA mainline now flying into Terminal E at DFW?

Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:25 am

I've seen AA A319s parking at gate E2 over the past few months (Air Canada gate, but they're temporarily gone). E5 I haven't heard of.
 
Ishrion
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Re: AA mainline now flying into Terminal E at DFW?

Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:31 am

That's surprising. Here's an AA 738 parked at E2 at 1:35

https://youtu.be/CEbUzyB9gec
 
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Re: AA mainline now flying into Terminal E at DFW?

Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:34 am

Figure they want all the gates they can get. Was there Thursday and terminals C and A were quite crowded.
 
Chuska
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Re: AA mainline now flying into Terminal E at DFW?

Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:13 am

washingtonflyer wrote:
Figure they want all the gates they can get. Was there Thursday and terminals C and A were quite crowded.


I was there last Tuesday. The SkyLink was so packed I decided to walk. On takeoff I noticed about four new gates going up at the south end of terminal D.

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