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CarlosSi wrote:If I'm not mistaken they've flown out of E for sometime, as US Airways used to fly out of it and then flew into it during the merger/post-merger. Not sure if at some point they consolidated to another terminal.
LongLayover wrote:CarlosSi wrote:If I'm not mistaken they've flown out of E for sometime, as US Airways used to fly out of it and then flew into it during the merger/post-merger. Not sure if at some point they consolidated to another terminal.
I'm just talking about mainline. Eagle has been in E since the merger I believe.
departedflights wrote:I know that when DFW Airport first opened, terminals 2E, 3E and 3E (Now A, C and E) were not the entire half-circles that they are today. I believe the Braniff terminal, 2W (now B) was the only terminal that opened as a full half-circle building.
hivue wrote:What is the date and source for your diagram?
jsnww81 wrote:The piecemeal expansion of the original four DFW terminals is not very well documented, but here's how I remember it playing out:
cathay747 wrote:But I have a question that's never hit me till just now...why were the terminals numbered starting with 2 and not 1???
GSP psgr wrote:Basic question, but is doing TRIP to C really all that much cheaper than just building a Terminal F? Especially since the original DFW layout has basically been hacked into being hubbable and a brand new terminal would likely bring efficiency gains.
Runway765 wrote:GSP psgr wrote:Basic question, but is doing TRIP to C really all that much cheaper than just building a Terminal F? Especially since the original DFW layout has basically been hacked into being hubbable and a brand new terminal would likely bring efficiency gains.
It is, but it doesn't address the long term deficiency of the terminals at DFW compared to its peers (ATL, DEN and ORD when they rebuild T2). Terminal F ought to revive the 1989 proposal to build a single linear concourse on the west side and gradually replace the semicircular terminals with it as funding allows.
AAplat4life wrote:Runway765 wrote:GSP psgr wrote:Basic question, but is doing TRIP to C really all that much cheaper than just building a Terminal F? Especially since the original DFW layout has basically been hacked into being hubbable and a brand new terminal would likely bring efficiency gains.
It is, but it doesn't address the long term deficiency of the terminals at DFW compared to its peers (ATL, DEN and ORD when they rebuild T2). Terminal F ought to revive the 1989 proposal to build a single linear concourse on the west side and gradually replace the semicircular terminals with it as funding allows.
How much the deficiencies of the DFW terminal design matters is debatable. Yes, AA has indicated that it prefers a new design because the existing one impedes efficient operations, but that has not prevented DFW from being a mega connecting hub for AA. DIA’s design is easier for passengers, and is also better geographically for a lot of domestic connections. None of this has impeded AA from growing at DFW.
I don’t see ATL has an apt comparison to DFW due to geographic differences. ORD is another matter, but that’s arguably a case of AA competing against itself since it sends a lot of connecting traffic through DFW that time wise might be better to go through ORD. In addition to the T2 rebuild, the ORD21 plan also calls for T1 and 3 to be renovated. But their existing layouts will remain as is for probably another 15 to 20 years. I see passenger integration issues between new T2 and the other main terminals at least based on the limited designs released to the public to date. I think this will be worse for AA’s operations in T3, but still problematical for UA particularly in the A concourse.
So the conclusion of the DFW management to stick with the basic layout approach and keep costs under control makes a lot of sense to me.
audian wrote:I am not sure if this has already been discussed in the other threads, but just posting it here.
I just noticed yesterday, the Qatar is operating twice daily to DFW. Its interesting to see that the new service arrives at DFW in the morning and wont depart until late evening.
Trying to understand, what markets it intend to serve with these time slots?
gdg9 wrote:It seems that Terminal F, when built, will most likely follow the standard 'horseshoe' layout. If you look at the extension at the low end of Terminal D that is being built now, that will certainly link to a newly built F. The area where F would go, currently a parking lot, has already been sort of left alone as that footprint is where it will be built. Even the Skylink rails are built for the horseshoe design, although it would be easy enough in the overall scheme of things to redo the tracks. I just don't see the way DFW is set up that F would be vastly different from the other 5. Sure, a long DTW or even several ATL style terminals might be better, but its too late now.
Related - let's finally get Terminal C renovated. I did notice the 'temporary' extension gates from the late 80s have been razed. That's a start.
Runway765 wrote:gdg9 wrote:
Terminal C badly needs to be renovated. That needs to be the priority even before F.
TXRoadMan wrote:I still can't find any additional meaningful information, but I did notice a reference somewhere to this new building holding 5 gates, instead of the current 4. Occam's Razor would suggest that somebody just forgot that there is no C38, and just did the math between C35-39. On the other hand, this would be a good opportunity to move the gatehouse of C33 from the Skylink bump-out to the new building. That corner can get hectic in busy times.
TXRoadMan wrote:TXRoadMan wrote:I still can't find any additional meaningful information, but I did notice a reference somewhere to this new building holding 5 gates, instead of the current 4. Occam's Razor would suggest that somebody just forgot that there is no C38, and just did the math between C35-39. On the other hand, this would be a good opportunity to move the gatehouse of C33 from the Skylink bump-out to the new building. That corner can get hectic in busy times.
Quoting myself from the 2020 version of this thread...
I was right. They are going to move C33 out of the corner of the Skylink bump-out and down the corridor a bit into the new-High-C building. That should help the congestion in that area.
I found that information in the Environmental Assessment of the new High-C gates. I didn't find really anything else intriguing about the new building, other than what we all should have assumed: that it certainly appears to be a proper end of the terminal, some ~33 years after the modular trailers went in.
What *is* intriguing, however, is that the document contains a fairly comprehensive history of the entire C building, with a great deal of pictures and timelines of additions. Check it out here: (The history starts at page 85.) https://downloads.ctfassets.net/m2p70vm ... ressed.pdf
Runway765 wrote:Will the reconstruction of the high C gates coincide with the terminal renovation?
Eitilt wrote:Looks like an Aer Lingus Airbus 330-300 will pay you a visit next Saturday 17th.
Arriving around 8pm and staying till Sunday afternoon.
Probably a cargo charter so parking at a cargo ramp for the stay.
Eitilt wrote:Looks like an Aer Lingus Airbus 330-300 will pay you a visit next Saturday 17th.
Arriving around 8pm and staying till Sunday afternoon.
Probably a cargo charter so parking at a cargo ramp for the stay.
Sooner787 wrote:Anyone know when the rebuild of runway 18R/36L is supposed to be completed?
KarlB737 wrote:Sooner787 wrote:Anyone know when the rebuild of runway 18R/36L is supposed to be completed?
Courtesy: Airways Magazine
Dallas/Fort Worth Airport Reopens Runway 18R/36L
https://airwaysmag.com/airports/dfw-opens-refurbished-18r-36l/
The before and after photos are quite amazing.
KarlB737 wrote:Dallas/Fort Worth Airport Reopens Runway 18R/36L
The before and after photos are quite amazing.
Brandon757 wrote:DAL to close runway 13R/31L starting April 27th for approximately 10 months for reconstruction. This is DAL's primary runway.
https://www.dallas-lovefield.com/Home/Components/News/News/206/90
gdg9 wrote:F should be a clone of D, updated for any code changes and either reserving the CBP areas for future growth, or repurposing them. Presumably American wants the domestic C gates taken care of first.It seems that Terminal F, when built, will most likely follow the standard 'horseshoe' layout.
Sooner787 wrote:Brandon757 wrote:DAL to close runway 13R/31L starting April 27th for approximately 10 months for reconstruction. This is DAL's primary runway.
https://www.dallas-lovefield.com/Home/Components/News/News/206/90
FYI for any spotters wanting to take advantage of the great runway views of 13L/31R
from George Coker Cir, the City of Dallas has made all the parking spots paid parking.
you'll now notice signs on the fence inviting you to download some parking app
so you can pay them to spot....ugh
Brandon757 wrote:Sooner787 wrote:Brandon757 wrote:DAL to close runway 13R/31L starting April 27th for approximately 10 months for reconstruction. This is DAL's primary runway.
https://www.dallas-lovefield.com/Home/Components/News/News/206/90
FYI for any spotters wanting to take advantage of the great runway views of 13L/31R
from George Coker Cir, the City of Dallas has made all the parking spots paid parking.
you'll now notice signs on the fence inviting you to download some parking app
so you can pay them to spot....ugh
I've never spotted at DAL before so I looked up this location and WOW those are some great views. Is this area meant as a viewing location? As in are you left alone if you park there and watch?
glbltrvlr wrote:gdg9 wrote:F should be a clone of D, updated for any code changes and either reserving the CBP areas for future growth, or repurposing them. Presumably American wants the domestic C gates taken care of first.It seems that Terminal F, when built, will most likely follow the standard 'horseshoe' layout.