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Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:16 pm

Welcome to the Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:19 pm

With the new CARES package, Frontier will now continue to serve ABQ once per week to DEN. However, jetBlue will discontinue service (again) from Feb 12 thru March and we'll have to see what they do in April. I'll provide a full update for ABQ and SAF when the March, 2021 schedules are all released. Overall, as of November, 2020, passenger traffic is still down 73.2 percent.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:55 pm

There are some more adds that could be made out of ABQ by AA, DL, UA, WN, B6, and G4 once demand recovers, including ABQ-CLT/MIA/PHL on AA, ABQ-BOS/DTW/JFK/SEA on DL, ABQ-EWR/IAD on UA, ABQ-ATL/BNA/STL on WN, ABQ-BOS/FLL/LAX on B6, and ABQ-CVG/MSY/AZA/PVU/SAT on G4.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:01 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are some more adds that could be made out of ABQ by AA, DL, UA, WN, B6, and G4 once demand recovers, including ABQ-CLT/MIA/PHL on AA, ABQ-BOS/DTW/JFK/SEA on DL, ABQ-EWR/IAD on UA, ABQ-ATL/BNA/STL on WN, ABQ-BOS/FLL/LAX on B6, and ABQ-CVG/MSY/AZA/PVU/SAT on G4.


A few on your list have already been tried. AA gave ABQ-CLT a try a few summers ago with a redeye and didn't bring it back. UA ran IAD for a while but dropped it a few years ago. I'm pretty sure WN ran ABQ-STL for a while as well. While it's easy to throw a list together of hubs and focus cities that don't have service from an outstation, the economic justification has to be there. Looking at AA from ABQ for example, CLT and PHL both more or less overfly another AA hub. So AA has a few questions to think about:

Is there enough O&D demand to fill a reasonable number of seats? For those remaining seats, how many unique connections are there from CLT and PHL that AA can't cover from DFW or ORD? How likely is AA to lose that passenger if they have to double connect? Are there enough of those passengers to justify the flight versus just up gauging DFW and ORD?

DL is running the same calculus on DTW/JFK/BOS/SEA and thinking about whether it's worth siphoning off some of the traffic currently flowing over ATL and SLC. UA is doing the same with IAD/EWR and their flows over ORD and IAH.

From your list there are very few routes I see as likely to be attempted in the next few years. Perhaps DL adds a summer DTW to go with the summer MSP. WN to BNA seems like something that might get a chance as well. I don't think B6 will want to run ABQ-LAX, but if AA doesn't bring it back post-COVID I could see AS adding an E175 to connect to the combined AA/AS network from LAX. Less than daily MSY on G4 is an interesting idea.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:43 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
Is there enough O&D demand to fill a reasonable number of seats? For those remaining seats, how many unique connections are there from CLT and PHL that AA can't cover from DFW or ORD? How likely is AA to lose that passenger if they have to double connect? Are there enough of those passengers to justify the flight versus just up gauging DFW and ORD?


There is probably enough O&D to justify ABQ-PHL nonstop service on AA once demand recovers with
(a) the PDEW of ABQ-PHL being 57 passengers/day in 2019,
(b) the lack of ABQ-PHL nonstop service being one of the biggest holes in the ABQ market, and
(c) the connections that AA would be able to offer to other destinations in the Northeast, Eastern Canada, and Europe through PHL.

Despite CLT being a major hub for AA, the lack of AA ABQ-CLT nonstop service is not as big of an hole with the PDEW of ABQ-CLT being only 33 passengers/day in 2019.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:38 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are some more adds that could be made out of ABQ by AA, DL, UA, WN, B6, and G4 once demand recovers, including ABQ-CLT/MIA/PHL on AA, ABQ-BOS/DTW/JFK/SEA on DL, ABQ-EWR/IAD on UA, ABQ-ATL/BNA/STL on WN, ABQ-BOS/FLL/LAX on B6, and ABQ-CVG/MSY/AZA/PVU/SAT on G4.


Yes, those would be some nice adds. I'd really like to see AA ABQ-CLT and WN ABQ-STL, markets that these carriers did once before. I'd also like to see some regional markets come back like ABQ to ELP and TUS, perhaps on Contour or Denver Air Connection. They became too small for WN 737's and nobody with RJ's has tried yet.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:50 pm

jplatts wrote:
Alias1024 wrote:
Is there enough O&D demand to fill a reasonable number of seats? For those remaining seats, how many unique connections are there from CLT and PHL that AA can't cover from DFW or ORD? How likely is AA to lose that passenger if they have to double connect? Are there enough of those passengers to justify the flight versus just up gauging DFW and ORD?


There is probably enough O&D to justify ABQ-PHL nonstop service on AA once demand recovers with
(a) the PDEW of ABQ-PHL being 57 passengers/day in 2019,
(b) the lack of ABQ-PHL nonstop service being one of the biggest holes in the ABQ market, and
(c) the connections that AA would be able to offer to other destinations in the Northeast, Eastern Canada, and Europe through PHL.


Nah. Fifty-seven a day doesn't fill a mainline aircraft (and the distance is too far for a CR9 or E75). 'Biggest hole' doesn't mean big enough hole to be attractive. It ignores competitors. It ignores the logic of DFW and ORD connections (and AA frequency DFW-ABQ).

Alias1024 gave you a good outline for elementary route planning. You should reflect on it at length.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:03 pm

jplatts wrote:
Alias1024 wrote:
Is there enough O&D demand to fill a reasonable number of seats? For those remaining seats, how many unique connections are there from CLT and PHL that AA can't cover from DFW or ORD? How likely is AA to lose that passenger if they have to double connect? Are there enough of those passengers to justify the flight versus just up gauging DFW and ORD?


There is probably enough O&D to justify ABQ-PHL nonstop service on AA once demand recovers with
(a) the PDEW of ABQ-PHL being 57 passengers/day in 2019,
(b) the lack of ABQ-PHL nonstop service being one of the biggest holes in the ABQ market, and
(c) the connections that AA would be able to offer to other destinations in the Northeast, Eastern Canada, and Europe through PHL.


57 PDEW is pretty weak. Consider that some of that 57 will not book the nonstop due to the flight not being at a convenient time for their schedule. Others will book away out of loyalty to WN, DL, or UA. Others will bargain hunt and don’t care about nonstop. Even if the addition of a nonstop increases total demand I still doubt AA could expect a high enough O&D level to make this work. The route is too long for an RJ and the smallest mainline option is the A319 with 128 seats.

Next consider the connections they could hope for. All major northeast markets and the vast majority of smaller ones are already handled by ORD. Eastern Canada? I’d be surprised if ABQ to Halifax or Quebec City is more than single digits per day. Toronto and Montreal can again flow over ORD.

Europe? Again, the big markets like LHR, CDG, AMS, MAD, and FRA are all easy connections in DFW or ORD. The secondary markets are again in too low of demand from ABQ to justify the PHL nonstop instead of just sending passengers through DFW to LHR and onto their joint venture partner. If ABQ to secondary European destinations was a reasonably large market DL would have started JFK or UA started EWR to capture it while taking advantage of the significantly higher ABQ-NYC demand as compared to ABQ-PHL.

Finally there’s the aircraft utilization aspect. Including the turn in ABQ this route eats up 9 hours of aircraft time a day. That’s a large amount of time to tie up an asset. Especially when AA likely gets a significant chunk of total ABQ-PHL revenue anyway since they hub in PHL and have been #2 in ABQ for decades.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:20 pm

March is looking much better for ABQ. Total departures is expected to be 49 per day, up from 36 in Feb. (We had 79 daily departures before COVID struck in March last year.) WN adding 7 flights back including nonstops to OAK and SAN. AA brings back one mainline A319 while adding one DFW and one PHX flight. UA* brings back their ORD flight and adds one DEN. AS/QX returns the PDX flight.

AA/AA* DFW-6, ORD-1, PHX-4
DL/DL* ATL-1, LAX-3, SLC-3
UA* DEN-3, ORD-1, IAH-2, SFO-1
WN MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-2, OAK-1, PHX-4, SAN-1
AS/AS* SEA-1, PDX-1
B6 suspended thru March
G4 AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7
F9 DEN-3/7
4B CNM-2
AN SVC-2

SAF remains the same; AA* DFW-3, UA* DEN-1.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:11 pm

Hope to see ABQ-BNA in the future.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:35 am

Chuska wrote:
March is looking much better for ABQ. Total departures is expected to be 49 per day, up from 36 in Feb. (We had 79 daily departures before COVID struck in March last year.) WN adding 7 flights back including nonstops to OAK and SAN. AA brings back one mainline A319 while adding one DFW and one PHX flight. UA* brings back their ORD flight and adds one DEN. AS/QX returns the PDX flight.

AA/AA* DFW-6, ORD-1, PHX-4
DL/DL* ATL-1, LAX-3, SLC-3
UA* DEN-3, ORD-1, IAH-2, SFO-1
WN MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-2, OAK-1, PHX-4, SAN-1
AS/AS* SEA-1, PDX-1
B6 suspended thru March
G4 AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7
F9 DEN-3/7
4B CNM-2
AN SVC-2

SAF remains the same; AA* DFW-3, UA* DEN-1.


Nice to see flights returning. I wonder if WN or AA will be back on LAX any time soon with DL back to an essentially full schedule on the route. I’m also surprised that WN brought SAN back before BWI.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:15 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
Chuska wrote:
March is looking much better for ABQ. Total departures is expected to be 49 per day, up from 36 in Feb. (We had 79 daily departures before COVID struck in March last year.) WN adding 7 flights back including nonstops to OAK and SAN. AA brings back one mainline A319 while adding one DFW and one PHX flight. UA* brings back their ORD flight and adds one DEN. AS/QX returns the PDX flight.

AA/AA* DFW-6, ORD-1, PHX-4
DL/DL* ATL-1, LAX-3, SLC-3
UA* DEN-3, ORD-1, IAH-2, SFO-1
WN MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-2, OAK-1, PHX-4, SAN-1
AS/AS* SEA-1, PDX-1
B6 suspended thru March
G4 AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7
F9 DEN-3/7
4B CNM-2
AN SVC-2

SAF remains the same; AA* DFW-3, UA* DEN-1.


Nice to see flights returning. I wonder if WN or AA will be back on LAX any time soon with DL back to an essentially full schedule on the route. I’m also surprised that WN brought SAN back before BWI.


AA and WN both keep showing LAX in the future but then cut them about two months out, I hope that's a good sign. WN schedules are currently in their website thru Aug 16 and do not show MCI or SJC again, not a good sign.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:39 pm

April updates:
AA adds a 2nd ORD, the one DFW flight upgraded to a A319 in March goes back to Eagle for Apr., UA adds a 3rd IAH but drops the 3rd DEN just added in Mar., WN drops 1 PHX and also drops the SAN flight just added in Mar., JetBlue returns with 2 per week to JFK, and Allegiant will pause all service again from Apr 16 thru May 27. In all ABQ will average 48 departures per day. Delta remains the same for Apr but does plan to return the MSP flight on May 1. No change for SAF. ROW gets their AA* PHX flight back on Apr 3.

ABQ:
AA*: DFW-6 ORD-2 PHX-4
DL: ATL-1 DL*: LAX-3 SLC-3
UA*: DEN-2 IAH-3 ORD-1 SFO-1
WN: MDW-1 DAL-3 DEN-3 HOU-2 LAS-2 OAK-1 PHX-3
AS: SEA-1 AS*: PDX-1
B6: JFK-2/7
F9: DEN-3/7
G4: Suspended Apr 16 thru May 27

AN: SVC-2+3/7
4B: CNM-2
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:31 pm

Next year I plan to change this thread to the "New Mexico Aviation Thread". Current updates from around New Mexico include:

AA* ROW-PHX will return on Apr 3. Although SAF-DFW is doing very well, surprisingly SAF-PHX has not returned yet and is now pushed back until June 3 but AA may push it back further. AA posted their May 6 schedules on March 14, very little changes from the April schedules. The anticipated date for AA to post their June 3 schedule is April 18. Hopefully ABQ-LAX will return on June 3 as well.

UA* has been pushing back the return of HOB-DEN but, as of Mar 15, it is now discontinued altogether. UA* advance schedules keeps showing SAF-DEN with four daily CR7's but then cuts it back to one CRJ about one month out. Currently showing the four CR7's from May 6 on but I think its safe to say that will get cut way back as well. UA should post their May 6 schedule probably around Apr 8.
The new UA* service FMN-DEN (SkyWest CRJ) is still on indefinite hold awaiting overall improvement in air travel.

The EAS for CNM is due for renewal on June 1. Candidates are Boutique (renewal of current service), Advanced Air, Southern Airways Express, and the best option, Denver Air Connection which is proposing CNM-ABQ or CNM-DFW using Fairchild 328Jets. Boutique started CNM-ELP flights on their own which began on Feb 1 and they upgraded their CNM-ABQ and CNM-DFW flights from Pilatus PC-12 to Beech 350 Super King Air's.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 pm

What's the likelihood that DL will start up the previously announced SAF - SLC/LAX? Months away? Years away?
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:53 am

BuzzmeSTL wrote:
What's the likelihood that DL will start up the previously announced SAF - SLC/LAX? Months away? Years away?


No way of knowing if DL may consider SAF again at some point. Part of the problem may be that the SAF terminal is way to small, built in 1957 for DC-3's! Since AA* and UA* are there, I don't see anywhere that DL could move in. SAF has finalized plans to expand but hasn't broken ground yet. They really need a whole new terminal but no money for it. So when this "expansion" is done (probably at least two years?), maybe the airport will see more service. They definitely have the potential.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:15 am

May 2021 Updates:
DL will add a 2nd ATL flight on May 8, A321. The MSP flight originally set to return has now been pushed back until June 5 and will only operate on Fri/Sat/Sun. The MSP flight will be flown with a new Airbus A220 which will be new for ABQ.
Allegiant has paused service once again, plans to return on May 28 with the same two flights per week to LAS and two to AUS. Allegiant does not plan to operate a flight to SFB as they tried last summer.
At CNM, Boutique Air has been reselected for EAS service under the same service level.
At SAF, AA* now plans to return one PHX flight on June 3. UA* continues to only operate one flight per day to DEN which appears to be extended thru July at this point.

ABQ:
AA*: DFW-6, ORD-2, PHX-4
DL: ATL-1. DL* LAX-3, SLC-3
UA*: DEN-2, IAH-3, ORD-1, SFO-1
WN: MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-3, OAK-1, PHX-4, BWI-1/7 (Sat only).
AS: SEA-1. AS*: PDX-1
B6: JFK-4/7.
F9: DEN-3/7.
G4: AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7 (effective May 28)

AN: SVC-2+3/7
4B: CNM-2
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:52 am

Chuska wrote:
May 2021 Updates:
DL will add a 2nd ATL flight on May 8, A321. The MSP flight originally set to return has now been pushed back until June 5 and will only operate on Fri/Sat/Sun. The MSP flight will be flown with a new Airbus A220 which will be new for ABQ.
Allegiant has paused service once again, plans to return on May 28 with the same two flights per week to LAS and two to AUS. Allegiant does not plan to operate a flight to SFB as they tried last summer.
At CNM, Boutique Air has been reselected for EAS service under the same service level.
At SAF, AA* now plans to return one PHX flight on June 3. UA* continues to only operate one flight per day to DEN which appears to be extended thru July at this point.

ABQ:
AA*: DFW-6, ORD-2, PHX-4
DL: ATL-1. DL* LAX-3, SLC-3
UA*: DEN-2, IAH-3, ORD-1, SFO-1
WN: MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-3, OAK-1, PHX-4, BWI-1/7 (Sat only).
AS: SEA-1. AS*: PDX-1
B6: JFK-4/7.
F9: DEN-3/7.
G4: AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7 (effective May 28)

AN: SVC-2+3/7
4B: CNM-2


Thanks for the update!

Still waiting for WN or AA to get back on LAX. I can’t believe both have left it to DL entirely at this point. The A220 is a nice add. I wonder if MSP might go back to year round when normalcy returns with the A220 fleet growing.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:26 am

That must be why 4B is already ending ELP, they got renewed lol.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:19 am

sprxUSA wrote:
That must be why 4B is already ending ELP, they got renewed lol.


Yes, we knew that was coming. 4B is adding a 2nd CNM-DFW flight though. I was really hoping to see Denver Air Conx get CNM using their 328Jets.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:52 am

June 2021 Updates:
I'm going to post this now due to considerable updates but some carriers may still make changes.

American plans a big increase for ABQ: The three Eagle flights to LAX will finally return! Two more DFW flights will return, total of 8. Five DFW, one ORD, and one PHX will be upgraded to mainline jets.

United will add a 3rd DEN and a 4th IAH, still all UA Express.

Southwest will also bring back one LAX flight as well as the AUS flight. Still no SAN, MCI, SJC, and no MCO this summer. BWI is still Sat. only. Overall, WN will be at only 18 departures, far short of the 31 they had pre-covid.

JetBlue plans to return to a daily flight to JFK.

ABQ:
AA: DFW-5, ORD-1, PHX-1. AA* DFW-3, ORD-1, LAX-3, PHX-3.
AS: SEA-1 AS* PDX-1
DL: ATL-2, MSP-3/7. DL* LAX-3, SLC-3
UA* DEN-3, IAH-4, ORD-1, SFO-1
WN: AUS-1, MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-3, LAX-1, OAK-1, PHX-3, BWI-1/7
B6: JFK-1
F9: DEN-3/7
G4: AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7
4B: CNM-2
AN: SVC-2 3/7

SAF:
AA* DFW-3, PHX-1
UA* DEN-1

CNM: 4B: ABQ-2, DFW-2
CVN: KG: DEN-2
HOB: UA* IAH-1
ROW: AA* DFW-3, PHX-1
SVC: AN ABQ-2, PHX-1
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 5:21 pm

With the love spread by Breeze across the Southeast and South-central today, what are ABQ's chances in the next wave (or the western wave)? ABQ - OKC/SAT/TUS/SNA? What does ABQ want/need?

Others? SAF's chances?
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 5:41 pm

I was trying to fly into ABQ from LAX this upcoming Monday, in the early AM and back into LA at 2pm latest, and all of DL flights were sold out in Y, and only F was available for $1100+ rt. I couldn't find any other reasonable fares on other airlines with a 1 stop that didn't require backtracking, that wasn't priced around $800 in Y. Needless to say, I will not be making the trip.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 5:51 pm

mcogator wrote:
I was trying to fly into ABQ from LAX this upcoming Monday, in the early AM and back into LA at 2pm latest, and all of DL flights were sold out in Y, and only F was available for $1100+ rt. I couldn't find any other reasonable fares on other airlines with a 1 stop that didn't require backtracking, that wasn't priced around $800 in Y. Needless to say, I will not be making the trip.

Fingers crossed for Spirit. :-)
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 5:53 pm

BuzzmeSTL wrote:
With the love spread by Breeze across the Southeast and South-central today, what are ABQ's chances in the next wave (or the western wave)? ABQ - OKC/SAT/TUS/SNA? What does ABQ want/need?

Others? SAF's chances?

Seasonal Hawaii maybe
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 6:00 pm

Itll be nice to get mainline AA for DFW back in June.

Commuting during May has been an absolute disaster!
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 3:23 pm

BuzzmeSTL wrote:
With the love spread by Breeze across the Southeast and South-central today, what are ABQ's chances in the next wave (or the western wave)? ABQ - OKC/SAT/TUS/SNA? What does ABQ want/need?

Others? SAF's chances?


From ABQ I’d think SAT and OKC would be the most likely looking at the initial Breeze route map. Westbound I think SMF would be a good add.

AS tried SNA but it didn’t stick. Orange County has the issue of limited capacity and there are simply more profitable places for those seats. It’s similar to why ABQ can’t get MEX service. MEX is simply too congested and restricted to use those slots on a lot of the secondary markets in the US. I doubt we see ABQ-SNA unless SNA opens up to more traffic or ABQ becomes a major focus for Breeze.

SAF isn’t getting anything but RJs and smaller until they have a new terminal.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 7:42 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
BuzzmeSTL wrote:
With the love spread by Breeze across the Southeast and South-central today, what are ABQ's chances in the next wave (or the western wave)? ABQ - OKC/SAT/TUS/SNA? What does ABQ want/need?

Others? SAF's chances?

From ABQ I’d think SAT and OKC would be the most likely looking at the initial Breeze route map. Westbound I think SMF would be a good add.

AS tried SNA but it didn’t stick. Orange County has the issue of limited capacity and there are simply more profitable places for those seats. It’s similar to why ABQ can’t get MEX service. MEX is simply too congested and restricted to use those slots on a lot of the secondary markets in the US. I doubt we see ABQ-SNA unless SNA opens up to more traffic or ABQ becomes a major focus for Breeze.

SAF isn’t getting anything but RJs and smaller until they have a new terminal.

What about SAN? Service is still missing on WN; I'm very surprised that they can't even make a single daily r/t work. I would have thought it was a primarily leisure market but I guess not.

What I'd really love to see is AS jumping back into the market; certainly they could make a single daily EMJ r/t trip work, especially with no competition!

I'm sure by the time BZ gets out west, in a year or more, ABQ-SAN will be back on at least one cx route map, maybe more, so I doubt BZ would be interested. But they certainly don't seem to be shying away from already-served routes so far.

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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 12:13 am

SANFan wrote:
Alias1024 wrote:
BuzzmeSTL wrote:
With the love spread by Breeze across the Southeast and South-central today, what are ABQ's chances in the next wave (or the western wave)? ABQ - OKC/SAT/TUS/SNA? What does ABQ want/need?

Others? SAF's chances?

From ABQ I’d think SAT and OKC would be the most likely looking at the initial Breeze route map. Westbound I think SMF would be a good add.

AS tried SNA but it didn’t stick. Orange County has the issue of limited capacity and there are simply more profitable places for those seats. It’s similar to why ABQ can’t get MEX service. MEX is simply too congested and restricted to use those slots on a lot of the secondary markets in the US. I doubt we see ABQ-SNA unless SNA opens up to more traffic or ABQ becomes a major focus for Breeze.

SAF isn’t getting anything but RJs and smaller until they have a new terminal.

What about SAN? Service is still missing on WN; I'm very surprised that they can't even make a single daily r/t work. I would have thought it was a primarily leisure market but I guess not.

What I'd really love to see is AS jumping back into the market; certainly they could make a single daily EMJ r/t trip work, especially with no competition!

I'm sure by the time BZ gets out west, in a year or more, ABQ-SAN will be back on at least one cx route map, maybe more, so I doubt BZ would be interested. But they certainly don't seem to be shying away from already-served routes so far.

bb


That’s basically what I figure will happen. WN probably brings it back relatively soon or AS jumps back into the market. I doubt it’s still open when Breeze expands west.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 26, 2021 2:00 pm

I'm new to SAF so forgive my ignorance...are there concrete plans in place for SAF terminal expansion/replacement? Appreciate any insight.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 pm

BuzzmeSTL wrote:
I'm new to SAF so forgive my ignorance...are there concrete plans in place for SAF terminal expansion/replacement? Appreciate any insight.


Plans were in place in late 2019 with money allocated from the state and federal government to undertake an expansion that would double the size of the terminal, expand vehicle parking, and rework the access roads to the terminal. There is also some taxiway repair and replacement in the project. Then COVID hit.

Last I read was that the project is still a go, just a little delayed from the pandemic as the state had to get a handle on the budget going forward. Their $9.5 million chunk of the funding was in limbo for a while, but with there being more clarity on the budget it sounds like the project will progress.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:57 am

July 2021 Updates:

Not a whole lot new for July except UA is adding a 4th DEN and a 2nd SFO. One DEN will upgrade to mainline but back to Express in August.
On August 5 Delta plans a 3rd ATL. In SAF, AA* plans a 4th DFW and 2nd PHX on August 17. UA* planning a 2nd SAF-DEN on August 1.

ABQ:
AA: DFW-5, ORD-1, PHX-1. AA* DFW-3, ORD-1, LAX-3, PHX-3.
AS: SEA-1 AS* PDX-1
DL: ATL-2, MSP-3/7, SLC-1. DL* LAX-3, SLC-2.
UA: DEN-1. UA* DEN-3, IAH-4, ORD-1, SFO-2
WN: AUS-1, MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-3, LAX-1, OAK-1, PHX-3, BWI-2/7
B6: JFK-5/7
F9: DEN-3/7
G4: AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7
4B: CNM-2
AN: SVC-2 3/7

SAF:
AA* DFW-3, PHX-1
UA* DEN-1

CNM: 4B: ABQ-2, DFW-2
CVN: KG: DEN-2
HOB: UA* IAH-1
ROW: AA* DFW-3, PHX-1
SVC: AN ABQ-2, PHX-1
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:10 am

Alias1024 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Alias1024 wrote:
From ABQ I’d think SAT and OKC would be the most likely looking at the initial Breeze route map. Westbound I think SMF would be a good add.

AS tried SNA but it didn’t stick. Orange County has the issue of limited capacity and there are simply more profitable places for those seats. It’s similar to why ABQ can’t get MEX service. MEX is simply too congested and restricted to use those slots on a lot of the secondary markets in the US. I doubt we see ABQ-SNA unless SNA opens up to more traffic or ABQ becomes a major focus for Breeze.

SAF isn’t getting anything but RJs and smaller until they have a new terminal.

What about SAN? Service is still missing on WN; I'm very surprised that they can't even make a single daily r/t work. I would have thought it was a primarily leisure market but I guess not.

What I'd really love to see is AS jumping back into the market; certainly they could make a single daily EMJ r/t trip work, especially with no competition!

I'm sure by the time BZ gets out west, in a year or more, ABQ-SAN will be back on at least one cx route map, maybe more, so I doubt BZ would be interested. But they certainly don't seem to be shying away from already-served routes so far.

bb


That’s basically what I figure will happen. WN probably brings it back relatively soon or AS jumps back into the market. I doubt it’s still open when Breeze expands west.


WN still showing a return of the SAN flight on Sep 7. If they don't do it and Breeze or somebody else tries it, you can bet WN will be back in a heartbeat. That's what WN does.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:54 pm

August updates:
DL added a third ATL trip on four days per week, A321. The SLC mainline flight downgraded back to SkyWest.
AA will upgrade all eight ABQ-DFW flights to mainline on Aug 17 however two will only run on four days per week. The afternoon ORD mainline flight will downgrade to Eagle again. At SAF, Eagle will bring back the fourth DFW trip and a second PHX on Aug 17 however the Saturday only LAX flight ends.
United is back to all Express flights at ABQ again but one mainline jet to DEN is planned for Sept. A second daily SAF-DEN flight is finally back and a third is planned for Sep.
We have some exciting updates planned for October but as we're starting to put our masks back on again, I'm not holding my breath.

ABQ:
AA: DFW-8, PHX-1. AA*: ORD-2, LAX-3, PHX-3.
AS: SEA-1 AS* PDX-1
DL: ATL-2 4/7, MSP-3/7. DL*: LAX-3, SLC-3.
UA* DEN-4, IAH-4, ORD-1, SFO-2
WN: AUS-1, MDW-1, DAL-3, DEN-3, HOU-2, LAS-3, LAX-1, OAK-1, PHX-3, BWI-2/7 (weekends only)
B6: JFK-5/7
F9: DEN-3/7
G4: AUS-2/7, LAS-2/7 (both are Mondays and Fridays only)
4B: CNM-2
AN: SVC-2 3/7

SAF:
AA* DFW-4, PHX-2
UA* DEN-2

CNM: 4B: ABQ-2, DFW-2
CVN: KG: DEN-2
HOB: UA* IAH-1
ROW: AA* DFW-3, PHX-1
SVC: AN ABQ-2, PHX-1

Still no start of any work on the planned expansion for the terminal and parking lot at SAF.
I recently visited HOB and they expanded their terminal nicely. I was rather impressed, especially to see a baggage claim carousel, the only other one in New Mexico other than ABQ. HOB is planned to get their second IAH trip back in Sep and hopefully their DEN flight will be back soon.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:26 pm

As the airlines have increased new routes in 2021 what is the general feeling as to why ABQ hasn't gotten any love?
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:43 am

Still waiting for the day WN or G4 add BNA-ABQ…
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:51 am

BuzzmeSTL wrote:
As the airlines have increased new routes in 2021 what is the general feeling as to why ABQ hasn't gotten any love?


My personal opinion is that ABQ didn’t see new routes because New Mexico had stronger covid restrictions than many other states, limiting inbound leisure travel until well into the summer. It’s already well connected to western leisure destinations through nearby hubs in PHX, DEN, and SLC, reducing the need for new routes for outbound vacationers.

southwest1675 wrote:
Still waiting for the day WN or G4 add BNA-ABQ…

I’d love to see WN add BNA. It seems like the next logical add for WN at ABQ.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
BuzzmeSTL wrote:
As the airlines have increased new routes in 2021 what is the general feeling as to why ABQ hasn't gotten any love?


My personal opinion is that ABQ didn’t see new routes because New Mexico had stronger covid restrictions than many other states, limiting inbound leisure travel until well into the summer. It’s already well connected to western leisure destinations through nearby hubs in PHX, DEN, and SLC, reducing the need for new routes for outbound vacationers.

southwest1675 wrote:
Still waiting for the day WN or G4 add BNA-ABQ…

I’d love to see WN add BNA. It seems like the next logical add for WN at ABQ.


We did have tougher covid rules however they were eased thru the springtime and I would have thought that any carrier who watched it close enough would have planned more service for NM. Carriers seemed to stick their necks out flooding places like BZN but not taking into account if there would be enough hotels or rental cars available while NM had plenty. Last summer G4 added ABQ-SFB which, of course, didn't work but why didn't they try it this summer? AA had planned SAF-LAX last summer and scrubbed it but they did go thru with it this summer. Yes, I'm still anxiously waiting on ABQ-BNA too as well as AA ABQ-CLT and Avelo ABQ-BUR.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:22 pm

AA cut CLT- ABQ/TUS pre covid, but I could see them bringing back these routes with the recent ELP add and other West Coast success stories.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:56 pm

CanadianRedneck wrote:
AA cut CLT- ABQ/TUS pre covid, but I could see them bringing back these routes with the recent ELP add and other West Coast success stories.


CLT-ABQ only operated during the summer of 2015, six years ago (it was actually still US Airways at the time). I'm hoping with the addition of CLT-ELP that AA revisits it.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm

September has seen some last minute updates: Allegiant paused the ABQ-AUS flight until Oct 1 and DL dropped the MSP flight as of Sep 13. UA added a fifth IAH trip but will drop one DEN flight on Sep 15. Southwest added more flights on certain days of the week like Mon., Thur., and Fri., and brought back a nonstop to SAN on Sundays only. At SAF, UA added a third DEN flight back and at HOB, UA added the second IAH back. CVN now has TSA and KG upgraded their service from 30-seat FRJ's to 50-seat Embraer 145's.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:30 pm

Chuska wrote:
September has seen some last minute updates: Allegiant paused the ABQ-AUS flight until Oct 1 and DL dropped the MSP flight as of Sep 13. UA added a fifth IAH trip but will drop one DEN flight on Sep 15. Southwest added more flights on certain days of the week like Mon., Thur., and Fri., and brought back a nonstop to SAN on Sundays only. At SAF, UA added a third DEN flight back and at HOB, UA added the second IAH back. CVN now has TSA and KG upgraded their service from 30-seat FRJ's to 50-seat Embraer 145's.


Well, I guess my reason to go to CVN is gone. Would have done it just to get the 328jet trip.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:43 pm

Chuska wrote:
Alias1024 wrote:
BuzzmeSTL wrote:
As the airlines have increased new routes in 2021 what is the general feeling as to why ABQ hasn't gotten any love?


My personal opinion is that ABQ didn’t see new routes because New Mexico had stronger covid restrictions than many other states, limiting inbound leisure travel until well into the summer. It’s already well connected to western leisure destinations through nearby hubs in PHX, DEN, and SLC, reducing the need for new routes for outbound vacationers.

southwest1675 wrote:
Still waiting for the day WN or G4 add BNA-ABQ…

I’d love to see WN add BNA. It seems like the next logical add for WN at ABQ.


We did have tougher covid rules however they were eased thru the springtime and I would have thought that any carrier who watched it close enough would have planned more service for NM. Carriers seemed to stick their necks out flooding places like BZN but not taking into account if there would be enough hotels or rental cars available while NM had plenty. Last summer G4 added ABQ-SFB which, of course, didn't work but why didn't they try it this summer? AA had planned SAF-LAX last summer and scrubbed it but they did go thru with it this summer. Yes, I'm still anxiously waiting on ABQ-BNA too as well as AA ABQ-CLT and Avelo ABQ-BUR.


I think the issue is that the customer demand was going to areas that eased restrictions earlier because of uncertainty about the pace of reopening. Not uncertainty in airlines’ network planning departments, but on the part of customers trying to plan a vacation a couple months out. Airlines could see where people were booking to and searching for and just followed the data. ABQ had cars and hotel rooms but maybe not leisure demand.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:58 pm

 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:21 pm

737max8 wrote:


Nice add for Southwest. As the film industry has matured and continued to grow in New Mexico it seemed like only a matter of time before someone added ABQ-BUR.
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:09 pm

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ABQ in June 2021:
ABQ-AUS - 7633 passengers, 8251 seats, 92.51% load factor
ABQ-BWI - 2509 passengers, 2576 seats, 97.40% load factor
ABQ-DAL - 23768 passengers, 27054 seats, 87.85% load factor
ABQ-DEN - 24316 passengers, 26503 seats, 91.75% load factor
ABQ-HOU - 16751 passengers, 18346 seats, 91.31% load factor
ABQ-LAS - 23674 passengers, 25355 seats, 93.37% load factor
ABQ-LAX - 5635 passengers, 6249 seats, 90.17% load factor
ABQ-MDW - 9366 passengers, 10349 seats, 90.50% load factor
ABQ-OAK - 8779 passengers, 9779 seats, 89.77% load factor
ABQ-PHX - 25900 passengers, 27656 seats, 93.65% load factor
 
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Re: Albuquerque / Santa Fe Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:37 pm

News from a couple days ago that Amazon has interest in acquiring five acres of land and building a 31,000 square foot cargo facility at ABQ.

https://www.krqe.com/news/business/amaz ... t-sunport/

Seems likely to be a complement their fulfillment and sortation center nearing completion on the city’s west side.

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