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Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:18 pm

Welcome to the Pakistan Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:02 am

PIA faces asset seizure due to unpaid US$6b debt.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... in-islands
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

Will BA continue operate to Lahore? They mentioned that Lahore will be axed by end of the April, then they pulled back and kept Lahore. Now again I don't see anything available after April?

Anyone know the load factors for the Lahore flight? How many people are flying in C and how many in Y?
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:41 am

Serene Air will start flights from ISB to RUH. Sri Lanka Airlines will resume freighters to Lahore.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:02 pm

LH658 wrote:
Serene Air will start flights from ISB to RUH. Sri Lanka Airlines will resume freighters to Lahore.


KSA border closure has been extended till 17May so I don’t think Serene is going anywhere internationally till June.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:31 pm

Two PIA crew member gone missing in Canada...

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) issued new directives on Monday for its cabin crew that include confiscation of passports on arrival abroad in a bid to control recent incidents of staff "slipping away" in other countries.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1604879/pia-t ... -in-canada


and https://tribune.com.pk/story/2282201/an ... in-toronto
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:23 am

Anyone know why BA is axing Lahore route? They're hasn't been any explanation about it, though according to expert flyer the flight seems to be doing well.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm

LH658 wrote:
Anyone know why BA is axing Lahore route? They're hasn't been any explanation about it, though according to expert flyer the flight seems to be doing well.


expert flyer does not give an accurate indication about how well a route is doing. The problem really is maybe the economics of the flights are quite poor. With cabins in back filling up more than the front. These types of routes are really mostly VFR traffic looking for the cheapest fares so really I would not be surprised if they do end up culling lahore. However there is nothing cemented in the press yet about this?
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:38 pm

Hello

Anyone knows why this Air Senegal A330neo (leased from Hifly Malta) has operated flights between Islamabad and Paris ?

At Paris Cdg i see some Hifly A330s operating flights for PIA


https://twitter.com/rnavspotters/status ... 9438745605

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-szn

I have asked my question in other A.net thread

Thanks
Rwanda Aviation
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm

rukundo wrote:
Hello

Anyone knows why this Air Senegal A330neo (leased from Hifly Malta) has operated flights between Islamabad and Paris ?

At Paris Cdg i see some Hifly A330s operating flights for PIA


https://twitter.com/rnavspotters/status ... 9438745605

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-szn

I have asked my question in other A.net thread

Thanks


PIA Charter flights to Europe, since PIA has been banned from flying to Europe and UK.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:00 pm

kxngb wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Anyone know why BA is axing Lahore route? They're hasn't been any explanation about it, though according to expert flyer the flight seems to be doing well.


expert flyer does not give an accurate indication about how well a route is doing. The problem really is maybe the economics of the flights are quite poor. With cabins in back filling up more than the front. These types of routes are really mostly VFR traffic looking for the cheapest fares so really I would not be surprised if they do end up culling lahore. However there is nothing cemented in the press yet about this?


https://dailytimes.com.pk/712635/britis ... 20%251%24s
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Let's all just use some common sense
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 am

LH658 wrote:
rukundo wrote:
Hello

Anyone knows why this Air Senegal A330neo (leased from Hifly Malta) has operated flights between Islamabad and Paris ?

At Paris Cdg i see some Hifly A330s operating flights for PIA


https://twitter.com/rnavspotters/status ... 9438745605

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-szn

I have asked my question in other A.net thread

Thanks


PIA Charter flights to Europe, since PIA has been banned from flying to Europe and UK.


Yes that seemed logical, but it could be something else: repatriation requested by one or more governments, cargo flight.

There are still repatriation flights at Roissy. And during the 1st lockdown Hifly operated a lot of cargo flights at CDG, with its A340s.

Thanks again
Rwanda Aviation
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:44 pm

Antarius wrote:
kxngb wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Anyone know why BA is axing Lahore route? They're hasn't been any explanation about it, though according to expert flyer the flight seems to be doing well.


expert flyer does not give an accurate indication about how well a route is doing. The problem really is maybe the economics of the flights are quite poor. With cabins in back filling up more than the front. These types of routes are really mostly VFR traffic looking for the cheapest fares so really I would not be surprised if they do end up culling lahore. However there is nothing cemented in the press yet about this?


https://dailytimes.com.pk/712635/britis ... 20%251%24s


The tweet was immediately deleted. I don't want to dispute the claim, but Pakistani news papers aren't really the best of sources and accuracy. However, looking forward to seeing if BA would continue these flights.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:05 am

kxngb wrote:
Antarius wrote:
kxngb wrote:

expert flyer does not give an accurate indication about how well a route is doing. The problem really is maybe the economics of the flights are quite poor. With cabins in back filling up more than the front. These types of routes are really mostly VFR traffic looking for the cheapest fares so really I would not be surprised if they do end up culling lahore. However there is nothing cemented in the press yet about this?


https://dailytimes.com.pk/712635/britis ... 20%251%24s


The tweet was immediately deleted. I don't want to dispute the claim, but Pakistani news papers aren't really the best of sources and accuracy. However, looking forward to seeing if BA would continue these flights.


I agree to this statement. I hope BA continues these flights as I hear they do have high load factors.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:15 am

From March 14, PIA is starting twice-a-week flights between Lahore and Baku with Airbus A320 aircraft.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:00 am

BA will continue to fly to Lahore till October 31st, 2021. Not sure why they're keeping a limited schedule, before the schedule was showing till April 21st, now they have just extended the schedule at last minute. Can anyone explain?
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:14 am

British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun)

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:40 pm

LH658 wrote:
British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun)

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)


Doesn’t surprise me. With Covid still continuing, BA has the LHR slots to use. So might as well keep the flight at LHR and get US connecting traffic. At least BA seems to want to keep ISB (be it LHR or LGW). From an O&D perspective LGW is fine, and I think they had a JFK-LGW flight before (NYC is probably a good chunk of US origin traffic anyway).
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:56 pm

LH658 wrote:
British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun)

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)


So I guess the domestic run/feeder from MAM to LGW will become obsolete?
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:29 am

debonair wrote:
LH658 wrote:
British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun)

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)


So I guess the domestic run/feeder from MAM to LGW will become obsolete?


Yes the MAN-LGW is getting the Axe it seems, it really was only for the ISB passengers from MAN.
 
LH658
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:16 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
LH658 wrote:
British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)


Doesn’t surprise me. With Covid still continuing, BA has the LHR slots to use. So might as well keep the flight at LHR and get US connecting traffic. At least BA seems to want to keep ISB (be it LHR or LGW). From an O&D perspective LGW is fine, and I think they had a JFK-LGW flight before (NYC is probably a good chunk of US origin traffic anyway).


This schedule works best for North American transfers with cities that arrive from North America in the morning or depart to North America in the morning, I hope they keep this route at LHR, though I get that 787 was the only good aircraft for the route. The 789 would be useless as it has more premium space than economy class seats. 788 was to small, and LGW 777 was great as it accommodates, right amount of business and economy seats.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:51 pm

LH658 wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
LH658 wrote:
British Airways will no longer be moving its London Heathrow to Islamabad route to Gatwick. The route will remain at London Heathrow and operate 6x weekly flights in Summer 2021:
BA0261 LHR 1030-2220 ISB (Mon-Wed, Fri-Sun

BA0260 ISB 0020-0505 LHR (Mon,-Thu, Sat & Sun)


Doesn’t surprise me. With Covid still continuing, BA has the LHR slots to use. So might as well keep the flight at LHR and get US connecting traffic. At least BA seems to want to keep ISB (be it LHR or LGW). From an O&D perspective LGW is fine, and I think they had a JFK-LGW flight before (NYC is probably a good chunk of US origin traffic anyway).


This schedule works best for North American transfers with cities that arrive from North America in the morning or depart to North America in the morning, I hope they keep this route at LHR, though I get that 787 was the only good aircraft for the route. The 789 would be useless as it has more premium space than economy class seats. 788 was to small, and LGW 777 was great as it accommodates, right amount of business and economy seats.


The LHR 772 that they're using are more premium-heavy aren't they?
No not that TSA.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:33 pm

TSA125 wrote:
LH658 wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:

Doesn’t surprise me. With Covid still continuing, BA has the LHR slots to use. So might as well keep the flight at LHR and get US connecting traffic. At least BA seems to want to keep ISB (be it LHR or LGW). From an O&D perspective LGW is fine, and I think they had a JFK-LGW flight before (NYC is probably a good chunk of US origin traffic anyway).


This schedule works best for North American transfers with cities that arrive from North America in the morning or depart to North America in the morning, I hope they keep this route at LHR, though I get that 787 was the only good aircraft for the route. The 789 would be useless as it has more premium space than economy class seats. 788 was to small, and LGW 777 was great as it accommodates, right amount of business and economy seats.


The LHR 772 that they're using are more premium-heavy aren't they?


Nope it has only 32 Business class seats, while the 788 which was operating this flight before has 35 business class seats, though the economy section of the 777 has more seats available around 252 seats.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:34 pm

TSA125 wrote:
LH658 wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:

Doesn’t surprise me. With Covid still continuing, BA has the LHR slots to use. So might as well keep the flight at LHR and get US connecting traffic. At least BA seems to want to keep ISB (be it LHR or LGW). From an O&D perspective LGW is fine, and I think they had a JFK-LGW flight before (NYC is probably a good chunk of US origin traffic anyway).


This schedule works best for North American transfers with cities that arrive from North America in the morning or depart to North America in the morning, I hope they keep this route at LHR, though I get that 787 was the only good aircraft for the route. The 789 would be useless as it has more premium space than economy class seats. 788 was to small, and LGW 777 was great as it accommodates, right amount of business and economy seats.


The LHR 772 that they're using are more premium-heavy aren't they?


Its the 772 from the Gatwick subfleet which is more econ heavy
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:54 pm

Qatar Airways resumed Sialkot today with 3 times a week 788 service.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:54 pm

Regarding Easa ban on PIA: Foreign Aviation bodies remain unsatisfied with Pakistan CAA examinations/licensing system.

ICAO team due to arrive in Pakistan on July 5 to conduct Universal Safety Oversight Audit Programme (USOAP) of Pakistan CAA.

PIA intends to continue using chartered aircraft for UK and France flights till September 30, 2021.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:06 am

Air Arabia has started twice weekly flights to Quetta, Pakistan from Sharjah.

Found a interesting link regarding KLM Midway House Hotel in Karachi. 2/3 owned by PIA and 1/3 by KLM. Hotel was introduced in the 1940s, they chose Karach as it was the midway point between Holland to Indonesia, the hotel was meant for pax and crew to stay. Here is a link with photos. Hotel still does exist, it is now the Ramada Hotel.

https://blog.klm.com/midway-house-the-l ... indonesia/

https://historyofpia.com/memorabilia64.htm
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:57 pm

I believe that the Virgin Manchester - Islamabad flight is pending an temporary upgrade from the 787 to the A351K. Sounds like the flights are doing pretty well!

Turkish Airlines hinting to start Peshawar and Sialkot. Peshawar is loaded on their website albeit no schedules shown as of yet.
 
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Re: Pakistan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:07 pm

April 9th and 16th Sri Lankan airlines will fly a A330 the route will be: CMB - LHE - LHR - CMB.

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