SkyVoice wrote:Does GRR have an FIS on-site, or has one been planned?
Soon- it's under construction.
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SkyVoice wrote:Does GRR have an FIS on-site, or has one been planned?
SkyVoice wrote:NoahV37, I believe that you meant DL (Delta) instead of DE (Condor) in your GRR post. But, let me congratulate you for the work that you put in to tabulate those results. And, I honestly believe that Condor has a viable business opportunity in Grand Rapids & West Michigan, post-CoVid. Does GRR have an FIS on-site, or has one been planned?
NoahV37 wrote:It also looks like WN will not be resuming SRQ flights as it is not listed on their website or anywhere in their schedule.
tjwgrr wrote:I was having a conversation with someone over the weekend about Allegiant in GRR. I looked at all the cities they now serve from GRR, and it's quite impressive, albeit some are seasonal, and many are only 2x per week:
AUS
BOS
VPS
FLL (seasonal)
LAS
LAX
BNA
EWR
SFB
AZA
PDX (seasonal)
PGD
RAP (2 weeks in August)
SRQ
SAV
PIE
It appears there are three A320s based here at the present time. I have seen as many as four RON in the past.
N415XJ wrote:Was randomly looking at flights at MQT today on flightaware, and was surprised to see a Breeze E190, N126BZ as MQX6402 flew yesterway from Houghton (CMX) to Marquette. Looking on FR24 it seems to have come from South Bend. It still appears to be in Marquette. Does anyone know the reason for this flight? Does it maybe have something to do with Eagle's Embraer Mx facilities in MQT? If so why would it have stopped at CMX? Here's hoping this is some sort of harbinger of potential Breeze service to the UP.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MXY ... /KCMX/KSAW
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n126bz
drdisque wrote:N415XJ wrote:Was randomly looking at flights at MQT today on flightaware, and was surprised to see a Breeze E190, N126BZ as MQX6402 flew yesterway from Houghton (CMX) to Marquette. Looking on FR24 it seems to have come from South Bend. It still appears to be in Marquette. Does anyone know the reason for this flight? Does it maybe have something to do with Eagle's Embraer Mx facilities in MQT? If so why would it have stopped at CMX? Here's hoping this is some sort of harbinger of potential Breeze service to the UP.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MXY ... /KCMX/KSAW
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n126bz
Notre Dame Men's Hockey to play Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan.
https://und.com/sports/mhockey/schedule/
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:drdisque wrote:N415XJ wrote:Was randomly looking at flights at MQT today on flightaware, and was surprised to see a Breeze E190, N126BZ as MQX6402 flew yesterway from Houghton (CMX) to Marquette. Looking on FR24 it seems to have come from South Bend. It still appears to be in Marquette. Does anyone know the reason for this flight? Does it maybe have something to do with Eagle's Embraer Mx facilities in MQT? If so why would it have stopped at CMX? Here's hoping this is some sort of harbinger of potential Breeze service to the UP.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MXY ... /KCMX/KSAW
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n126bz
Notre Dame Men's Hockey to play Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan.
https://und.com/sports/mhockey/schedule/
Although this was a charter, I could see Breeze starting service to Marquette someday. I think either Lansing or Kalamazoo would also do good for Breeze
Clipper73 wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:drdisque wrote:
Notre Dame Men's Hockey to play Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan.
https://und.com/sports/mhockey/schedule/
Although this was a charter, I could see Breeze starting service to Marquette someday. I think either Lansing or Kalamazoo would also do good for Breeze
I can see them on FNT-TPA.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:Clipper73 wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Although this was a charter, I could see Breeze starting service to Marquette someday. I think either Lansing or Kalamazoo would also do good for Breeze
I can see them on FNT-TPA.
Maybe. but the issue with Flint and especially GRR is that they would be competing directly with Allegiant on flights to Tampa. Kalamazoo and Lansing are both cities that don’t have Allegiant and could entice travelers a to make the drive to LAN or AZO, instead of the other was around
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
jplatts wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
AA adding nonstop service to CLT and DFW from AZO and LAN are possibilities with the additional connecting opportunities that would be there at AA's CLT and DFW hubs.
DL re-adding LAN-MSP nonstop service and adding ATL-AZO/LAN nonstop service are also possibilities in order to fill in the void left behind by UA pulling out of AZO and LAN. DL also already serves ATL nonstop from most of its Midwestern destinations south of the MSP hub.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
Clipper73 wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
I think Allegiant's success in GRR and FNT has a lot to do with this, A short drive from AZO and LAN a good fare and a nonstop flight on a big plane to where they want to go has kind of hurt LAN and AZO. The thing that I don't get is LAN being a huge college town why Allegiant's service didn't catch on there.
tys777 wrote:Clipper73 wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
I think Allegiant's success in GRR and FNT has a lot to do with this, A short drive from AZO and LAN a good fare and a nonstop flight on a big plane to where they want to go has kind of hurt LAN and AZO. The thing that I don't get is LAN being a huge college town why Allegiant's service didn't catch on there.
College kids only travel a few times a year, still need to fill the plane during those other times.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:tys777 wrote:Clipper73 wrote:
I think Allegiant's success in GRR and FNT has a lot to do with this, A short drive from AZO and LAN a good fare and a nonstop flight on a big plane to where they want to go has kind of hurt LAN and AZO. The thing that I don't get is LAN being a huge college town why Allegiant's service didn't catch on there.
College kids only travel a few times a year, still need to fill the plane during those other times.
That is true, but you’d be surprised how full the planes get out of both of those cities. LAN is the capital of Michigan, and AZO has Stryker, Kellogg cereal, Pfizer, and a bunch of other big companies. I talked with someone at Delta in AZO, they said that just before the pandemic they had 8 daily flights just on Delta (6DTW 2MSP) and would go out pretty much full most of the time.
jplatts wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
AA adding nonstop service to CLT and DFW from AZO and LAN are possibilities with the additional connecting opportunities that would be there at AA's CLT and DFW hubs.
DL re-adding LAN-MSP nonstop service and adding ATL-AZO/LAN nonstop service are also possibilities in order to fill in the void left behind by UA pulling out of AZO and LAN. DL also already serves ATL nonstop from most of its Midwestern destinations south of the MSP hub.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:tys777 wrote:Clipper73 wrote:
I think Allegiant's success in GRR and FNT has a lot to do with this, A short drive from AZO and LAN a good fare and a nonstop flight on a big plane to where they want to go has kind of hurt LAN and AZO. The thing that I don't get is LAN being a huge college town why Allegiant's service didn't catch on there.
College kids only travel a few times a year, still need to fill the plane during those other times.
That is true, but you’d be surprised how full the planes get out of both of those cities. LAN is the capital of Michigan, and AZO has Stryker, Kellogg cereal, Pfizer, and a bunch of other big companies. I talked with someone at Delta in AZO, they said that just before the pandemic they had 8 daily flights just on Delta (6DTW 2MSP) and would go out pretty much full most of the time.
kavok wrote:G4 formally announces Flint (FNT) base.
https://www.wlns.com/news/michigan/whit ... t-airport/
FNT will house 3x A320 aircraft and G4 will expand operations.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:jplatts wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:United has announced the intentions to end service to both Kalamazoo and Lansing on Jan.3. That sucks, they just began AZO back in 2016, and restated post pandemic in June.
The flight usually went out at least 80% full twice a day. With that gone I wonder which airline will fill in with service at AZO and LAN (ie which current airline will increase service)
AA adding nonstop service to CLT and DFW from AZO and LAN are possibilities with the additional connecting opportunities that would be there at AA's CLT and DFW hubs.
DL re-adding LAN-MSP nonstop service and adding ATL-AZO/LAN nonstop service are also possibilities in order to fill in the void left behind by UA pulling out of AZO and LAN. DL also already serves ATL nonstop from most of its Midwestern destinations south of the MSP hub.
American got the grant money to begin AZO-CLT so it’s only a matter of time for that, and once that starts I’m thinking DL might retaliate with AZO-ATL. I also have a feeling that DL might bring AZO/LAN-MSP back now that UA is leaving.
I certainly don’t see DFW nonstop in LAN or AZO near future, seems like a bit of a stretch, especially for AZO
9w748capt wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:jplatts wrote:
AA adding nonstop service to CLT and DFW from AZO and LAN are possibilities with the additional connecting opportunities that would be there at AA's CLT and DFW hubs.
DL re-adding LAN-MSP nonstop service and adding ATL-AZO/LAN nonstop service are also possibilities in order to fill in the void left behind by UA pulling out of AZO and LAN. DL also already serves ATL nonstop from most of its Midwestern destinations south of the MSP hub.
American got the grant money to begin AZO-CLT so it’s only a matter of time for that, and once that starts I’m thinking DL might retaliate with AZO-ATL. I also have a feeling that DL might bring AZO/LAN-MSP back now that UA is leaving.
I certainly don’t see DFW nonstop in LAN or AZO near future, seems like a bit of a stretch, especially for AZO
Did not know that AA got a grant to start AZO-CLT! That is interesting indeed. Would love DFW-AZO - surely a daily CR7 would work?
Really wish DL would resume AZO-MSP. Have spent all year pondering status matching to UA or DL but with UA pulling out of my hometown and DL seeming quite content with their limited service to OKC and AZO ... I guess I'm stuck with Dougie Air for now.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:9w748capt wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
American got the grant money to begin AZO-CLT so it’s only a matter of time for that, and once that starts I’m thinking DL might retaliate with AZO-ATL. I also have a feeling that DL might bring AZO/LAN-MSP back now that UA is leaving.
I certainly don’t see DFW nonstop in LAN or AZO near future, seems like a bit of a stretch, especially for AZO
Did not know that AA got a grant to start AZO-CLT! That is interesting indeed. Would love DFW-AZO - surely a daily CR7 would work?
Really wish DL would resume AZO-MSP. Have spent all year pondering status matching to UA or DL but with UA pulling out of my hometown and DL seeming quite content with their limited service to OKC and AZO ... I guess I'm stuck with Dougie Air for now.
I have a feeling that the MSP route will come back for AZO at some point especially with UA leaving and now having at least 50 less seats westbound. Although the folks in the area are pushing more for ATL, especially with AA getting the grant for CLT. Once AA begins CLT from AZO I have a feeling Delta will pull the trigger on ATL service.
kavok wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:9w748capt wrote:
Did not know that AA got a grant to start AZO-CLT! That is interesting indeed. Would love DFW-AZO - surely a daily CR7 would work?
Really wish DL would resume AZO-MSP. Have spent all year pondering status matching to UA or DL but with UA pulling out of my hometown and DL seeming quite content with their limited service to OKC and AZO ... I guess I'm stuck with Dougie Air for now.
I have a feeling that the MSP route will come back for AZO at some point especially with UA leaving and now having at least 50 less seats westbound. Although the folks in the area are pushing more for ATL, especially with AA getting the grant for CLT. Once AA begins CLT from AZO I have a feeling Delta will pull the trigger on ATL service.
AZO-MSP did briefly operate, albeit only 3x/4x weekly, in summer 2021. So it did come back, and yet it was dropped again.
To each their own, but if flying to/from AZO I still tend to prefer the DTW connection over MSP even if coming from or going to the west. Yes, for example PDX-DTW-AZO involves a bit of backtracking, but DTW-AZO having the 3x/4x daily service means backup routings and schedule flexibility. I have been burnt before by IRROPs, resulting in a XXX-MSP-DTW-AZO reroute and an overnight somewhere, and arriving 12+ hours late. At least if stuck in DTW and can’t fly to AZO, I can usually find a ground transportation option to get me there.
NoahV37 wrote:Allegiant has loaded their summer schedule. A couple interesting things.
GRR:
EWR is back in May.
SFB is 8 weekly flights with 2 flights on Friday.
JAX flights stop in May.
SAV has 1 weekly flight.
No VPS this summer.
MSY still isn't back.
No RAP in the schedule
FNT:
PGD is 5x weekly.
TVC:
PGD is 3x weekly this winter.
No SFB this summer.
NoahV37 wrote:Allegiant has loaded their summer schedule. A couple interesting things.
GRR:
EWR is back in May.
SFB is 8 weekly flights with 2 flights on Friday.
JAX flights stop in May.
SAV has 1 weekly flight.
No VPS this summer.
MSY still isn't back.
No RAP in the schedule
FNT:
PGD is 5x weekly.
TVC:
PGD is 3x weekly this winter.
No SFB this summer.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:drdisque wrote:N415XJ wrote:Was randomly looking at flights at MQT today on flightaware, and was surprised to see a Breeze E190, N126BZ as MQX6402 flew yesterway from Houghton (CMX) to Marquette. Looking on FR24 it seems to have come from South Bend. It still appears to be in Marquette. Does anyone know the reason for this flight? Does it maybe have something to do with Eagle's Embraer Mx facilities in MQT? If so why would it have stopped at CMX? Here's hoping this is some sort of harbinger of potential Breeze service to the UP.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MXY ... /KCMX/KSAW
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n126bz
Notre Dame Men's Hockey to play Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan.
https://und.com/sports/mhockey/schedule/
Although this was a charter, I could see Breeze starting service to Marquette someday. I think either Lansing or Kalamazoo would also do good for Breeze
Clipper73 wrote:Cherry Capitol Airport (TVC) is expanding to meet grow demand at the airport.
https://www.traverseticker.com/news/tra ... JZYB585r1M
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:9w748capt wrote:SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
American got the grant money to begin AZO-CLT so it’s only a matter of time for that, and once that starts I’m thinking DL might retaliate with AZO-ATL. I also have a feeling that DL might bring AZO/LAN-MSP back now that UA is leaving.
I certainly don’t see DFW nonstop in LAN or AZO near future, seems like a bit of a stretch, especially for AZO
Did not know that AA got a grant to start AZO-CLT! That is interesting indeed. Would love DFW-AZO - surely a daily CR7 would work?
Really wish DL would resume AZO-MSP. Have spent all year pondering status matching to UA or DL but with UA pulling out of my hometown and DL seeming quite content with their limited service to OKC and AZO ... I guess I'm stuck with Dougie Air for now.
I have a feeling that the MSP route will come back for AZO at some point especially with UA leaving and now having at least 50 less seats westbound. Although the folks in the area are pushing more for ATL, especially with AA getting the grant for CLT. Once AA begins CLT from AZO I have a feeling Delta will pull the trigger on ATL service.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:Clipper73 wrote:Cherry Capitol Airport (TVC) is expanding to meet grow demand at the airport.
https://www.traverseticker.com/news/tra ... JZYB585r1M
It’s cool in theory, but theoretically it won’t happen for an airport that can only support DTW and ORD for the winter months. Like I said, I would love to see it happen but I don’t know if it will.
They do need a couple more gates in the summer months, but multiple terminals doesn’t seem likely.
Clipper73 wrote:Cherry Capitol Airport (TVC) is expanding to meet grow demand at the airport.