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The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:20 pm

Welcome to the the Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:35 pm

Courtesy: MLive

American Airlines Returns To Kalamazoo Airport After 3-Month Hiatus

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/2021/01/american-airlines-returns-to-kalamazoo-airport-after-3-month-hiatus.html
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:37 pm

i was doing a sample search this summer PSP-TVC and found great connection thru Denver. The surprising part was the eqp type DEN-TVC . A mainline 737-800 which will be daily all summer. Quite the upgrade from the CRJ700
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:14 am

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i was doing a sample search this summer PSP-TVC and found great connection thru Denver. The surprising part was the eqp type DEN-TVC . A mainline 737-800 which will be daily all summer. Quite the upgrade from the CRJ700


Glad to see the TVC-DEN flight coming back. The flight has utilized an A319/A320 in the past, even got pictures of it.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:49 am

i knew they flew A319 to O'Hare S19,but mainline on DEN flight is news to me. I follow TVC service very closely but a/c subs can slip by me, LOL!
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:14 am

Another piece of goods news is that GRR-CLT on AA and GRR-ORD on UA are both mainline for the RON flights.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:35 pm

DL shows operating 5x 738 flights/ day GRR-ATL beginning in March. That’s 800 seats (160 x5) / day each direction. But I suppose schedules could still change.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:36 pm

Construction of the FIS is underway in GRR. I am sure LAN is quite fearful of losing that revenue stream and a large chunk of its funding.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:51 am

tjwgrr wrote:
DL shows operating 5x 738 flights/ day GRR-ATL beginning in March. That’s 800 seats (160 x5) / day each direction. But I suppose schedules could still change.


DL has only largely firmed up schedule through March 1st. Anything showing for March 2nd and beyond should be taken with large grain of salt as it is still mostly a pre-Covid schedule. They will likely start making March schedule cuts starting in a week or two.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:00 pm

What's the latest on Allegiant's service at GRR? They had a rather impressive pre-Covid-19 operation there.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:23 pm

In the most recent USDOT data, Allegiant passed Delta as GRRs number one carrier.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:39 pm

NoahV37 wrote:
In the most recent USDOT data, Allegiant passed Delta as GRRs number one carrier.


This is great news good to see Allegiant is have this much success in Michigan
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Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:13 pm

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Traverse City's Airport Has A New Non-Stop Destination Coming

"...........American Airlines will begin direct service between Philadelphia (PHL) and Traverse City (TVC) on June 3."

https://www.traverseticker.com/news/traverse-citys-airport-has-a-new-non-stop-destination-coming/
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:39 am

I'm curious: Any news about the U.P. and airlines?
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:53 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
I'm curious: Any news about the U.P. and airlines?


Literally every single airport in the U.P. except Marquette is an EAS airport.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:21 pm

AA adding more service to TVC this summer, now adding CLT.

https://upnorthlive.com/news/local/cher ... -charlotte

This summer AA is going to have service from to TVC to
ORD - year round, daily
DFW - seasonal, daily
PHL - seasonal, daily
CLT - seasonal, daily
DCA - seasonal, weekend
LGA - seasonal, weekend
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:12 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
AA adding more service to TVC this summer, now adding CLT.

https://upnorthlive.com/news/local/cher ... -charlotte

This summer AA is going to have service from to TVC to
ORD - year round, daily
DFW - seasonal, daily
PHL - seasonal, daily
CLT - seasonal, daily
DCA - seasonal, weekend
LGA - seasonal, weekend


This is great news good to see AA recognizes the Michigan market and how lucrative it is just like they did in Flint by adding service. G4 has upped their game in Michigan as well by being the number one carrier at GRR and FNT as well I believe.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:15 pm

Its more or less, AA's strategy of doubling down on outdoor, leisure oriented markets for Summer 2021. Similar to beach markets, anything that has a summer outdoor / leisure component is seeing capacity thrown at it, with all the excess capacity they have with business travel at non-existent levels likely at least fall 2021 if not 2022.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:13 pm

But it does give the routes a chance to earn the right to stay post pandemic.
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:53 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Its more or less, AA's strategy of doubling down on outdoor, leisure oriented markets for Summer 2021. Similar to beach markets, anything that has a summer outdoor / leisure component is seeing capacity thrown at it, with all the excess capacity they have with business travel at non-existent levels likely at least fall 2021 if not 2022.


Yes but to be fair they operated or announced these routes before covid as well so I think they will stick.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:40 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
AA adding more service to TVC this summer, now adding CLT.


Courtesy: TraverseTicker

Cherry Capital Airport To Add Daily Nonstop Service To Charlotte-Douglas This Summer

https://www.traverseticker.com/news/cherry-capital-airport-to-add-daily-nonstop-service-to-charlotte-douglas-this-summer/
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:59 pm

TVC isn’t the only one. GRR is saying two new direct routes announced tomorrow. It’s one of the current airlines.

As much as I’d like it to be DL, I’m pretty sure it’s one of the LCCs.
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:11 pm

AZORMP wrote:
TVC isn’t the only one. GRR is saying two new direct routes announced tomorrow. It’s one of the current airlines.

As much as I’d like it to be DL, I’m pretty sure it’s one of the LCCs.



More awesome news for Michigan commercial aviation.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:35 pm

AZORMP wrote:
TVC isn’t the only one. GRR is saying two new direct routes announced tomorrow. It’s one of the current airlines.

As much as I’d like it to be DL, I’m pretty sure it’s one of the LCCs.


Really? I haven’t seen them tease this anywhere
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:43 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
TVC isn’t the only one. GRR is saying two new direct routes announced tomorrow. It’s one of the current airlines.

As much as I’d like it to be DL, I’m pretty sure it’s one of the LCCs.


Really? I haven’t seen them tease this anywhere


Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:48 pm

Ishrion wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
TVC isn’t the only one. GRR is saying two new direct routes announced tomorrow. It’s one of the current airlines.

As much as I’d like it to be DL, I’m pretty sure it’s one of the LCCs.


Really? I haven’t seen them tease this anywhere


Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.


Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:55 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

Really? I haven’t seen them tease this anywhere


Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.


Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion



What about LAX ?
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:56 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

Really? I haven’t seen them tease this anywhere


Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.


Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion



GRR-SLC on DL would be great. I’d love to see GRR-SEA as well. I’m not sure if we’ll see JFK though, probably LGA return once the pandemic ends.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:58 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.


Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion



What about LAX ?


That already exists, it begins in three days (Feb 11)
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:58 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Here https://mobile.twitter.com/FlyGRFord/st ... 8140082185

Probably going to be some sort of Allegiant expansion tomorrow.


Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion



What about LAX ?


Already announced on G4 for this year
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:59 pm

AZORMP wrote:
NCAD95 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

Probably... the biggest hole in the GRR network is JFK. Followed by (in no particular order) Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.

But like you said, it’s probably going to be another Allegiant expansion



What about LAX ?


Already announced on G4 for this year


Yep, three days from now (Feb 11)
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:52 am

It’s Allegiant. GRR-PDX and GRR-RAP.

PDX I get. But RAP?

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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:05 am

If you told me we'd see GRR-RAP before GRR-SLC, I would've lost a lot of money at the casino.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:29 am

President Biden will be at AZO next week to tour the Pfizer facility. No set date for arrival yet or if he’s even flying directly to AZO.

Last time an administration official flew in, it was Mike Pence in 2019 and they did fly a 757 in before leaving in a motorcade.

The last time AZO had a Presidential visit was 2009.

https://wwmt.com/news/local/president-j ... cine-doses
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:23 pm

BOS to TVC is among the new routes American is launching as a part of their partnership with JetBlue. The route is not bookable and aircraft type and schedule have not been announced. The route will run from June 5th to September 6th.

I wouldn't have thought TVC would see legacy carrier service to BOS before GRR. AA sems to have capitalized on the strength of leisure travel to Northern Michigan.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
 
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:01 pm

More new summer air service for TVC

AA BOS-TVC summer seasonal weekend service (Thu-Sun) E-175 service.

https://www.9and10news.com/2021/02/18/t ... -to-boston

I will say, give credit where credit is due.
AA is being super aggressive about going after leisure markets for Summer 2021.
AA & G4 are going gang-busters.

UA & DL seem to be just sitting back playing wait-and-see.

Although in the current era, its like playing with house money to announce and load new service. If the demand doesn't manifest, super easy to just cancel the service before it starts.

Since TATL Summer 2021 isn't happening, and getting into Canada isn't looking like it will be happening or easy, US leisure markets are going to be busy, busy, busy.
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:57 pm

Trip report video from Allegiant’s inaugural GRR-BOS:

https://youtu.be/uVwTdRz5Uss
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:56 pm

Has MBL added flights to STL in addition to the flights to ORD? Look at this FlightAware link:

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMBL
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:14 pm

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Has MBL added flights to STL in addition to the flights to ORD? Look at this FlightAware link:

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMBL


Cape Air does a lot of their Midwest maintenance work at STL... once in a while they’ll reposition a plane from STL directly to MBL
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:22 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
I'm curious: Any news about the U.P. and airlines?


Literally every single airport in the U.P. except Marquette is an EAS airport.


That being said:

This past December, SkyWest was awarded three-year contracts to continue service at Escanaba, Iron Mountain, and Sault Ste Marie, all to DTW and MSP under the DL banner.

SkyWest was also awarded a three-year contract last February to continue service at Houghton/Hancock to ORD under the UA banner.

Last April, Boutique Air was awarded a two-year contract to replace Air Choice One in Ironwood, serving both ORD and MSP.
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:27 pm

https://www.facebook.com/FlyGRFord/

GRR announced Saturday service to MYR on WN today. The route is scheduled from June 6th to August 16th. The Facebook announcement is the only place I could find it right now. Leisure is definitely the focus!
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:30 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
More new summer air service for TVC

AA BOS-TVC summer seasonal weekend service (Thu-Sun) E-175 service.

https://www.9and10news.com/2021/02/18/t ... -to-boston

I will say, give credit where credit is due.
AA is being super aggressive about going after leisure markets for Summer 2021.
AA & G4 are going gang-busters.

UA & DL seem to be just sitting back playing wait-and-see.


It was nice to see the recent DL adds last week. BOS is fascinating. I believe it was an area that actually saw an increase in travelers to Traverse City in 2020. I never would have thought it would be one of the few routes from TVC with nonstop competition!
 
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Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:22 pm

N592NW wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/FlyGRFord/

GRR announced Saturday service to MYR on WN today. The route is scheduled from June 6th to August 16th. The Facebook announcement is the only place I could find it right now. Leisure is definitely the focus!


Southwest didn’t mention GRR on its MYR routes map and GRR has since taken the announcement post down from all its channels... wonder what happened?
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:13 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
N592NW wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/FlyGRFord/

GRR announced Saturday service to MYR on WN today. The route is scheduled from June 6th to August 16th. The Facebook announcement is the only place I could find it right now. Leisure is definitely the focus!


Southwest didn’t mention GRR on its MYR routes map and GRR has since taken the announcement post down from all its channels... wonder what happened?


My guess is they made a mistake and it was GRR-SRQ
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:28 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
N592NW wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/FlyGRFord/

GRR announced Saturday service to MYR on WN today. The route is scheduled from June 6th to August 16th. The Facebook announcement is the only place I could find it right now. Leisure is definitely the focus!


Southwest didn’t mention GRR on its MYR routes map and GRR has since taken the announcement post down from all its channels... wonder what happened?


My guess is they made a mistake and it was GRR-SRQ


That’s really surprising. Maybe a premature announcement? Definitely not a normal occurrence.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:41 am

GRR-SRQ on Southwest is bookable. It starts on June 26.
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:40 am

From Airline Geeks:

“Kalamazoo, Michigan is looking for $1 million for flights to Charlotte on American Airlines”

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/21/sma ... -strategy/

$1m seems to be quite a pretty penny for a flight to CLT...
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:43 pm

TVC plans to add ILS to Runway 10. They already have it on runway 28 but here is the issue:

Courtesy: TraverseTicker

Addressing A 21st Century Airport Issue With A 100-Year-Old Solution

"“In 2008, on Runway 10, the FAA installed a satellite GPS approach, hoping that it would provide the same precision that the ILS would provide,” Klein tells The Ticker. “What they found is that the GPS system does provide that, but the aircraft operators – airlines, corporate aviation, freight, even our own Coast Guard – don't have the instrumentation within their cockpits [to use the system], and some of the pilot training hasn't been completed and won't be for many years to come.”

https://www.traverseticker.com/news/addressing-a-21st-century-airport-issue-with-a-100-year-old-solution/
 
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:54 pm

KarlB737 wrote:
TVC plans to add ILS to Runway 10. They already have it on runway 28 but here is the issue:

Courtesy: TraverseTicker

Addressing A 21st Century Airport Issue With A 100-Year-Old Solution

"“In 2008, on Runway 10, the FAA installed a satellite GPS approach, hoping that it would provide the same precision that the ILS would provide,” Klein tells The Ticker. “What they found is that the GPS system does provide that, but the aircraft operators – airlines, corporate aviation, freight, even our own Coast Guard – don't have the instrumentation within their cockpits [to use the system], and some of the pilot training hasn't been completed and won't be for many years to come.”

https://www.traverseticker.com/news/addressing-a-21st-century-airport-issue-with-a-100-year-old-solution/


Interesting in all the times I spotted there I never see a landing from west to east. I've seen departures but no landings. Always though the reason was the close proximity of the end of the runway to the road directly wets of the airport.

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