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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 3:47 pm

Vladex wrote:
Revelation wrote:
It's pretty clear to me AAB and QR are working to different rules than most of the airline business. All that money lost on Air Berlin and Air Italy just rolls off their back like water off a duck. Writing off ten A380s is going to be more of the same.

I hate to correct you but that's Etihad with Air Berlin and Air Italy was pretty much stillborn.

My mistake, thank you for the correction.

Opus99 wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-31/qatar-air-is-in-a-mystery-spat-with-airbus-will-launch-777x

Akbar says he’s in a bit of a row with Airbus.

If they do not come to an agreement he won’t take their aircraft

He now claims other airlines in which they have a holding with will also cause stress. I wonder what the issue is. They’ve already agreed to delay deliveries. So what else could it be

Indeed, he does say it has nothing to do with the A380 comments.

For those who find the "U-turn Ali" meme amusing:

Al Baker also said the Doha-based carrier will be the launch customer for Boeing’s highly anticipated 777x in 2023, backtracking on comments made just last week saying it wouldn’t.

That's pretty rich, two U-turns back to back!
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 4:23 pm

Pelly wrote:
For those who find the "U-turn Ali" meme amusing:

Al Baker also said the Doha-based carrier will be the launch customer for Boeing’s highly anticipated 777x in 2023, backtracking on comments made just last week saying it wouldn’t.

That's pretty rich, two U-turns back to back!


He didn’t backtrack on comments. QR is and was always a launch customer of the 777X, and is and was always not supposed to be the first customer to receive the aircraft. Being a launch customer doesn’t mean getting first delivery and it also doesn’t mean being the first to order. Some press thought that it means being the first to get the aircraft, so when he says he won’t be the first to get the aircraft they editorialize or misunderstand and say QR won’t be launch customer anymore (which is what happened during the Simple Flying interview last week). Then when the next journalist sees this they ask about the 777X and AAB says they are a launch customer and they interpret it as another change of position (this latest interview). If you see the Simple Flying interview you can see how they can make a whole article out of a single sentence, there are quite a few articles on that site from that one interview published over a few days to maximize views and clicks.

The original U-Turn was on the 77W order. Boeing made the news public during an air show before the QR announcement, which upset QR and they delayed the official announcement. The order was on the books the whole time as UFO, no U-Turns on that. That original small 777 order grew to around 80 777 in service, so not too bad for Boeing.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 5:07 pm

If Qatar are not ging to accept any further Airbus deliveries due to their 'spat' Is the reason due to the A380? I seem to recall AIrbus making some sales where they gauranteed to buy back aircraft after a period of time. Was the A380 one such deal? Are Qatar trying to shove them back to Airbus in the hope of a bucket load of free A350's?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 9:20 pm

Pelly wrote:
He didn’t backtrack on comments. QR is and was always a launch customer of the 777X, and is and was always not supposed to be the first customer to receive the aircraft. Being a launch customer doesn’t mean getting first delivery and it also doesn’t mean being the first to order. Some press thought that it means being the first to get the aircraft, so when he says he won’t be the first to get the aircraft they editorialize or misunderstand and say QR won’t be launch customer anymore (which is what happened during the Simple Flying interview last week). Then when the next journalist sees this they ask about the 777X and AAB says they are a launch customer and they interpret it as another change of position (this latest interview). If you see the Simple Flying interview you can see how they can make a whole article out of a single sentence, there are quite a few articles on that site from that one interview published over a few days to maximize views and clicks.

The original U-Turn was on the 77W order. Boeing made the news public during an air show before the QR announcement, which upset QR and they delayed the official announcement. The order was on the books the whole time as UFO, no U-Turns on that. That original small 777 order grew to around 80 777 in service, so not too bad for Boeing.

Thanks for the clarification. Maybe we need a better, more succinct phrase to describe "first customer to receive the aircraft" so the media won't make the same mistake again.

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If Qatar are not ging to accept any further Airbus deliveries due to their 'spat' Is the reason due to the A380? I seem to recall AIrbus making some sales where they gauranteed to buy back aircraft after a period of time. Was the A380 one such deal? Are Qatar trying to shove them back to Airbus in the hope of a bucket load of free A350's?

The only confirmed case of A380 sell backs I have heard of is LH, with no clear indication of what compensation they would get upon selling back. I presume Airbus would not grant this casually and certainly not retroactively.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 9:29 pm

Pelly wrote:
The original U-Turn was on the 77W order. Boeing made the news public during an air show before the QR announcement, which upset QR and they delayed the official announcement. The order was on the books the whole time as UFO, no U-Turns on that. That original small 777 order grew to around 80 777 in service, so not too bad for Boeing.

Was it the 77W order or the 787 order? I recall some weird thing where the 787 order was an UFO, but QR still sent a FA to the 787 roll out (and I think QR’s tail was on the plane too? Can’t remember), and there being speculation about friction between Boeing and QR over order announcement.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 9:31 pm

goosebayguy wrote:
If Qatar are not ging to accept any further Airbus deliveries due to their 'spat' Is the reason due to the A380? I seem to recall AIrbus making some sales where they gauranteed to buy back aircraft after a period of time. Was the A380 one such deal? Are Qatar trying to shove them back to Airbus in the hope of a bucket load of free A350's?

In the article he did say the A380 is water under the bridge and nothing to do with the
current dispute. We need a whistle blower at Airbus, or is that an unknown on one side of the pond?

"The airline chief previously criticized Airbus’s giant A380 jets over their inefficiency and operational cost. However, he told Bloomberg TV that was “water under the bridge” and not the subject of the latest dispute. "
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Mon May 31, 2021 10:50 pm

N62NA wrote:
Reminds me of the introduction of the 747. For several of the USA airlines, it was a "vanity" purchase. DL, NA and EA (though they only leased from PA) discovered early on that the 747 was simply not a good fit for their route network. It took AA a few more years to come around to the same conclusion.


This is a Fantastic observation, LEADERS learn history and attempt to learn from it. Emirates BASED their ambitions around the A380 and their 100+ strong fleet. Unlike the 747 that made the intercontinental travel possible, and MOST international airlines needed, the ME3 airlines had better choices for range to tailor their respective networks. Dreamliners, A330, B777 where plentifull when QR & EY followed the frenzy and ordered the A380. "Vanity Purchase" all the same.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:26 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
777luver wrote:

Care to elaborate on that statement?


The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well.

best regards
Thomas


Two decades ago? it entered service in 2004, the first 787 entered service in 2011, however that’s a different class as the 77W replaced a lot of 744 fleets. The 77W is uneconomical at the moment because of COVID, it’s a good Preighter for several airlines however not being used to much for pax as the 787/359 are smaller and more efficient in that regard.


Remember B777 entered service in the early 90s. B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology.
B787 and A350 also utilize new generation engines and composite materials. One of the reason why B777-300ER is "reasonably efficient" caused directly by the fact that airlines crammed 10-abreast economy class seat into the cabin. If they actually use the original 9-abreast configuration, B777-300ER would be extremely inefficient.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:35 am

vhtje wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
777luver wrote:

Care to elaborate on that statement?


The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well.

best regards
Thomas


Quite, but it would still be interesting to understand the economics of the 77W vs 748 vs A380. I'm no Boeing fanboy, but there has to be a reason why LH ditched the A380 but opted to keep the 748, and as it's flagship aircraft, no less. I would really love to see LH's or KE's numbers.


Take these number with a grain of salt. Sources came from Leeham news.

B777-300ER with 344 passengers on 7,200nmi operation = 3.11 L/100 km Per seat
A380 with 525 passengers on 7,200nmi operation = 3.27 L/100 km Per seat
B747-8i with 405 passengers on 7,200nmi operation = 3.35 L/100 km Per seat

These all depends on number of pax and their belonging, weather and revenue cargo as well.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:20 am

ewt340 wrote:
B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology.

Then what is the 777-300?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:33 am

jmmadrid wrote:
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CALMSP wrote:

he doesn't have any, this is his first ever mistake! :roll:

Think he mentioned getting those 4 A346HGW's was a mistake too. Maybe not in as many words, but he certainly wasn't complimentary about them.

When they first got their 4 Airbus 340-600 they used them to fly to London. They were their biggest airplane at the time and they filled them up almost every day. And this was at a time when Qatar didn't have so many slots at Heathrow nor many connecting banks at Doha, so I guess they served their purpose well-ish.

Then for 6 hr hops to LHR ( and CDG I think ) then in my books it was a mistake to order the HGW version of the A346, the regular version would easily have sufficed. But of course AAB blamed the inefficiencies of the over-weight A346 instead of himself for ordering them for a role it wasn't needed for.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:46 am

ewt340 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well.

best regards
Thomas


Two decades ago? it entered service in 2004, the first 787 entered service in 2011, however that’s a different class as the 77W replaced a lot of 744 fleets. The 77W is uneconomical at the moment because of COVID, it’s a good Preighter for several airlines however not being used to much for pax as the 787/359 are smaller and more efficient in that regard.


Remember B777 entered service in the early 90s. B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology.
B787 and A350 also utilize new generation engines and composite materials. One of the reason why B777-300ER is "reasonably efficient" caused directly by the fact that airlines crammed 10-abreast economy class seat into the cabin. If they actually use the original 9-abreast configuration, B777-300ER would be extremely inefficient.


I’m not really sure what you are trying to say, the current A330 is an updated version of a 1990s aircraft, still considered efficient. 10 abreast is the industry norm for the 777 now with 75% of airlines having that configuration. 777 entered service in 1995, A330 in 1994.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:11 am

VV wrote:
TC957 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:

he doesn't have any, this is his first ever mistake! :roll:

Think he mentioned getting those 4 A346HGW's was a mistake too. Maybe not in as many words, but he certainly wasn't complimentary about them.


I think they are quite happy with the A350-1000, otherwise we would have heard from him. Or is it too early for him to whine on this aircraft?


Well they say that, but then why are they refusing to take delivery of the aircraft? I mean, it's not like Airbus have bills to pay and everyone else is struggling on with deliveries in the current environment...

What makes me laugh in the latest spat, is he is trying to bring IAG and LATAM (as if LATAM is going to provide any weight to leverage against manufacturers atm) into the mix with his shareholding in them. Saying in effect they will all have a problem with Airbus, but btw, he still wants QR to be front of the queue for an A350F :scratchchin: How about he pays for the one's he has already ordered and should be taking delivery of first?

The key to the title in the thread was "OUR". Nobody else apart from AAB purchased the A380, or the A350. What does he expect to achieve by throwing toys out the pram every five minutes? There are plenty of airlines in the world, but only two manufacturers. The leverage lies with A & B. You feel Airbus will have to go down the route of only dealing through leasing companies with QR going forwards with pretty strict terms.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:14 am

TC957 wrote:
jmmadrid wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Think he mentioned getting those 4 A346HGW's was a mistake too. Maybe not in as many words, but he certainly wasn't complimentary about them.

When they first got their 4 Airbus 340-600 they used them to fly to London. They were their biggest airplane at the time and they filled them up almost every day. And this was at a time when Qatar didn't have so many slots at Heathrow nor many connecting banks at Doha, so I guess they served their purpose well-ish.

Then for 6 hr hops to LHR ( and CDG I think ) then in my books it was a mistake to order the HGW version of the A346, the regular version would easily have sufficed. But of course AAB blamed the inefficiencies of the over-weight A346 instead of himself for ordering them for a role it wasn't needed for.


They were bought in a competition vs the 77W primarily for US ops where the HGW was needed, originally the order had options to reach 10 A346. When Boeing came back with a deal after the A346 was ordered, along with the performance improvements on the 77W QR went with that. Since 4 A346 were already ordered QR took delivery of them and used them for longer range OPS but once the 77W was delivered the A346 were shifted to shorter range ops where the fuel penalty is less. LHR and CDG needed the premium configuration and cargo capacity of the A346. They served for 12 years.

It’s funny that STC didn’t get the U-Turn title since they did not go ahead with the A350-1000, A346HGW and A330NEO.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:05 pm

Well if we want to add to the mix: flying via any of these "middle of nowhere" hubs making 2 flights rather than 1 is surely a major pollution factor. If AAB is so concerned about the environment, he should shrink QR back to O&D traffic.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:21 pm

Now someone who es about the paint job.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-31/
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:56 pm

VV wrote:
Now someone who es about the paint job.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-31/


Just imagine being that guy's waitor on a day that the kitchen staff is not at their best (it happens, sick, call-ins, etc..).

Qatar has soo many different promotional liveries.. who knows what the painting issue could be??
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:01 pm

VV wrote:
Now someone who es about the paint job.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-31/

Translation: We can't fill the aircraft we already have in our fleet, we don't need anymore right now so why spend money on excess capacity? We will come up with some lame excuse to refuse acceptance.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:37 pm

ER757 wrote:
VV wrote:
Now someone who es about the paint job.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-31/

Translation: We can't fill the aircraft we already have in our fleet, we don't need anymore right now so why spend money on excess capacity? We will come up with some lame excuse to refuse acceptance.


Spot on :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:52 pm

It also seems that AB is playing hard ball sending out notices of default to Airlines that cannot or wont take delivery.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:19 am

VV wrote:
Now someone who es about the paint job.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-31/

Can customers apply the same standard?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:47 am

Revelation wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
hindsight is 20/20.

The A380 was there to solve a problem they thought was gonna happen and they couldnt see the future to know how more fuel efficient planes would become.

The doomsday scenarios of needing planes that huge because of congestion just never happened. You win some you lose some, when trying to predict so far in the future. For the future im sure they will be alot more conservative on all plane builds. The A380 is a cautionary tale, but they took a big gamble.

Sorry, but it isn't hindsight, there were plenty of analysts and corporations saying A380 was too big back during the day. Airbus let itself get enraptured by having the biggest, and the rest is history.

Its inefficiency comes from not just being too big to start with, but also intentionally taking efficiency hits for future variants too. This meant it wasn't even worth putting new state of the art engines on it when they became available, they could not overcome the core inefficiency of the airframe.


To add to your comments - AAB concedes the "mistake in the design" - in his quote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qatar-airways-ceo-the-a380-was-our-biggest-mistake
"It was good when it had launched in 2002. But unfortunately, with the rising fuel price and the mistake in the design, we think it was a big mistake."
Al Baker was not pressed for specifics on that alleged "mistake in design", although he cited the A380's "operating costs" as one problem for airlines, along with his belief that "people who are very conscious about emissions will avoid travelling on an A380."
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:46 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Two decades ago? it entered service in 2004, the first 787 entered service in 2011, however that’s a different class as the 77W replaced a lot of 744 fleets. The 77W is uneconomical at the moment because of COVID, it’s a good Preighter for several airlines however not being used to much for pax as the 787/359 are smaller and more efficient in that regard.


Remember B777 entered service in the early 90s. B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology.
B787 and A350 also utilize new generation engines and composite materials. One of the reason why B777-300ER is "reasonably efficient" caused directly by the fact that airlines crammed 10-abreast economy class seat into the cabin. If they actually use the original 9-abreast configuration, B777-300ER would be extremely inefficient.


I’m not really sure what you are trying to say, the current A330 is an updated version of a 1990s aircraft, still considered efficient. 10 abreast is the industry norm for the 777 now with 75% of airlines having that configuration. 777 entered service in 1995, A330 in 1994.


Nobody said A330 is as efficient as B787 or A350.

B787 and A350 is a next gen aircraft. Any other widebody aircraft before them are old and inefficient. That include A380, B777-300ER and B747-8i.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:19 am

ewt340 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
ewt340 wrote:

Remember B777 entered service in the early 90s. B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology.
B787 and A350 also utilize new generation engines and composite materials. One of the reason why B777-300ER is "reasonably efficient" caused directly by the fact that airlines crammed 10-abreast economy class seat into the cabin. If they actually use the original 9-abreast configuration, B777-300ER would be extremely inefficient.


I’m not really sure what you are trying to say, the current A330 is an updated version of a 1990s aircraft, still considered efficient. 10 abreast is the industry norm for the 777 now with 75% of airlines having that configuration. 777 entered service in 1995, A330 in 1994.


Nobody said A330 is as efficient as B787 or A350.

B787 and A350 is a next gen aircraft. Any other widebody aircraft before them are old and inefficient. That include A380, B777-300ER and B747-8i.


No they didn't but the A330 is still considered efficient as is the 77W, of course neither are as efficient as the 787/A350 but just because an aircraft is previous generation it doesn't mean its inefficient just not as efficient as the current generation. My point was that the A330 entered service before the 777 and its still considered efficient, sure its different to the 777 but both still have plenty of life and are still produced.
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:24 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

I’m not really sure what you are trying to say, the current A330 is an updated version of a 1990s aircraft, still considered efficient. 10 abreast is the industry norm for the 777 now with 75% of airlines having that configuration. 777 entered service in 1995, A330 in 1994.


Nobody said A330 is as efficient as B787 or A350.

B787 and A350 is a next gen aircraft. Any other widebody aircraft before them are old and inefficient. That include A380, B777-300ER and B747-8i.


No they didn't but the A330 is still considered efficient as is the 77W, of course neither are as efficient as the 787/A350 but just because an aircraft is previous generation it doesn't mean its inefficient just not as efficient as the current generation. My point was that the A330 entered service before the 777 and its still considered efficient, sure its different to the 777 but both still have plenty of life and are still produced.


Yeah no, A330-900 and B777-9 are considered as efficient as A350 and B787. Not the A330ceo and B777-300ER. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:41 pm

QR took double delivery of 777F A7-BFY & Z

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/aircraf ... g-to-zero/
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:05 pm

I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:36 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?


https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/stat ... 81160?s=20

According to this, the B789 will be operating to Barcelona as one of its first passenger destinations. A quick look in QR's booking website shows the aircraft being deployed for some of the frequencies in July. Nothing official for now, but this twitter account is usually a reliable source for BCN routes.
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:17 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?

Revised schedule shows they will take first A321neo in 2022 through 2030 for all 50 of them. However, no MSN has been assigned currently. The new A321neo will feature mini QSuite.
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:00 pm

guillermohs wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?


https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/stat ... 81160?s=20

According to this, the B789 will be operating to Barcelona as one of its first passenger destinations. A quick look in QR's booking website shows the aircraft being deployed for some of the frequencies in July. Nothing official for now, but this twitter account is usually a reliable source for BCN routes.


Oh fantastic thank you!! Been waiting a while for this! So presumably this means their first B789 will be reconfigured soon for pax ops!
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:01 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?

Revised schedule shows they will take first A321neo in 2022 through 2030 for all 50 of them. However, no MSN has been assigned currently. The new A321neo will feature mini QSuite.



Wow considering how long ago this order was placed this is late!
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:38 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
I’ve been trying to google but can’t find anything concrete.

When are they finally taking A321NEO’s?

When will pax B789 ops start?

Revised schedule shows they will take first A321neo in 2022 through 2030 for all 50 of them. However, no MSN has been assigned currently. The new A321neo will feature mini QSuite.



Wow considering how long ago this order was placed this is late!

Yes indeed. Let's not forget the 50 A321neo order was an upsized order swap from 80 A320neo placed back in 2011. Upsized was done in 2017 after AAB suffered a "meltdown" when he was informed PW engines on A320neo require additional work around for cooling and starting engines.

Then in 2019, the 50 A321neo was amended again to 40 A321neo and 10 A321neoLR.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:45 pm

Qatar Airways significantly increases US network to over 100 weekly services:-

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

- JFK, ORD, LAX and IAD will see 2x daily
- DFW increases to 12x weekly.
- BOS, PHL, IAH, MIA, SFO and SEA will be 1x daily
- ATL is said to be 5x weekly (but shows as daily)

Additionally, QR will also launch new service to Lusaka (LUN) in Zambia and Harare (HRE) in Zimbabwe from Aug 6:-

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

"New service will be operated by the airline’s state-of-the-art Boeing 787 Dreamliner and offer seamless connectivity via the Best Airport in the Middle East to destinations in Asia, Europe and North America. Lusaka and Harare will become the airline’s fifth and sixth new destination launched in Africa since the start of the pandemic"
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:16 pm

onwFan wrote:
Qatar Airways significantly increases US network to over 100 weekly services:-

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

- JFK, ORD, LAX and IAD will see 2x daily
- DFW increases to 12x weekly.
- BOS, PHL, IAH, MIA, SFO and SEA will be 1x daily
- ATL is said to be 5x weekly (but shows as daily)

Additionally, QR will also launch new service to Lusaka (LUN) in Zambia and Harare (HRE) in Zimbabwe from Aug 6:-

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

"New service will be operated by the airline’s state-of-the-art Boeing 787 Dreamliner and offer seamless connectivity via the Best Airport in the Middle East to destinations in Asia, Europe and North America. Lusaka and Harare will become the airline’s fifth and sixth new destination launched in Africa since the start of the pandemic"


As long as the UAE ban on India/Pakistan and other surrounding countries continues. QR will get those passengers, especially DFW which has a huge Indian diaspora. Once the bans are lifted, not sure if there is that much traffic.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:18 pm

According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:40 pm

xwb777 wrote:
According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.

I wonder what the chances are of him being on the first flight for one of his videos? :D

"This seat is amazing"

"This food tastes amazing"

"This service is amazing"
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:04 pm

I am booked to fly DFW-DOH-DXB July 11. Seems that QR has switched the flight from an A350-1000 back to a 777-300ER. Would this have to do with the additional frequencies at DFW?

Also, what are the new frequencies for DFW? I get it's 12 x week, but what days are double?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:31 am

Breathe wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.

I wonder what the chances are of him being on the first flight for one of his videos? :D

"This seat is amazing"

"This food tastes amazing"

"This service is amazing"

He is paid to do so
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:28 pm

Breathe wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.

I wonder what the chances are of him being on the first flight for one of his videos? :D

"This seat is amazing"

"This food tastes amazing"

"This service is amazing"


I really don’t mean to offend Sam, he probably does more flights a year than I ll do In my life but sometimes it doesn’t harm to be more critical of airlines and aircraft. He’s not in-depth enough for my tastes. There’s a Chanel I found a couple of months ago called the Vicarious Voyager. Trust me, worth a watch.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:04 pm

The new B789 business class seats looks great, I personally prefer this type than the QSuite. It looks better than the Super Diamond as the centre 2 seats no longer look into each other's spheres.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:50 am

Qatar Airways wants to operate DOH-MXP-MEX

Source: https://simpleflying.com/qatar-mexico-c ... h-freedom/
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:13 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Breathe wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.

I wonder what the chances are of him being on the first flight for one of his videos? :D

"This seat is amazing"

"This food tastes amazing"

"This service is amazing"


I really don’t mean to offend Sam, he probably does more flights a year than I ll do In my life but sometimes it doesn’t harm to be more critical of airlines and aircraft. He’s not in-depth enough for my tastes. There’s a Chanel I found a couple of months ago called the Vicarious Voyager. Trust me, worth a watch.

I'm a big fan of Vicarious Voyager, I love his dead pan humour, but the effort he puts into his videos is very impressive, more so when this is just a part time hobby as he has a "real" job that he does.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:16 pm

UAEflyer wrote:
Breathe wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
According to Sam Chui, Qatar Airways B789 will enter commercial service, with the first flight taking off to Milan. The B789 will be in a 30J/281Y configuration.

Source: Sam Chui Instagram post.

I wonder what the chances are of him being on the first flight for one of his videos? :D

"This seat is amazing"

"This food tastes amazing"

"This service is amazing"

He is paid to do so

I wouldn't want to speculate without evidence, but his videos these days do come across as a beaming promotion for the airline he is flying on. That plus his thirsty comments when talking to female cabin crew or pilots really put me off his videos. Thankfully, there plenty of other good aviation YouTubers on the platform.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:05 pm

QR150 from MAD to DOH operating with a B789 as a passenger route.

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR8BM/2843393b

It was rumoured BCN would be the first destination, but apparently it has been MAD instead. No official announcement or social media post from QR announcing the introduction of the aircraft in passenger routes does come as a surprise to me.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:08 pm

guillermohs wrote:
QR150 from MAD to DOH operating with a B789 as a passenger route.

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR8BM/2843393b

It was rumoured BCN would be the first destination, but apparently it has been MAD instead. No official announcement or social media post from QR announcing the introduction of the aircraft in passenger routes does come as a surprise to me.

The first destination was Milan MXP.


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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:25 pm

It looks as though Qatar 729/730, to and from DFW, briefly went to a 777-300ER and now has returned to the A350-1000. My flight schedule this weekend with Qatar has reflected these changes. A350-1000 to a 777-300ER, back to an A350-1000.

Is Qatar shuffling the fleet around this summer?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:08 am

Be nice to see the 77W back in BOS
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:51 am

Quick question.

Are A7-BHE and BHG which are both on LHR flights today both in PAX config now? They seem to be flying passenger flight codes today.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:56 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
Quick question.

Are A7-BHE and BHG which are both on LHR flights today both in PAX config now? They seem to be flying passenger flight codes today.

Nope. HA, HB and HC (which is doing circuits around DOH) currently have. HD undergoing right now. Hasn’t flown since the 4th. Then it will be HE,HF and HG
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:39 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Quick question.

Are A7-BHE and BHG which are both on LHR flights today both in PAX config now? They seem to be flying passenger flight codes today.

They also use certain passenger flight numbers as cargo only, they generally park at T3 which is currently closed.
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