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Qatar Airways announced today it would bring its inaugural DOH-SEA flight forward from March 15 to January 29. The flight is scheduled to initially operate on the 777-300ER.

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

This is possibly in response to Emirates. They recently brought their DXB-SEA resumption up from March 27 to February 1.

Qatar Airways and Oman Air expand their relationship by increasing codeshare routes to cover 65 destinations.

https://www.air-journal.fr/2020-12-31-q ... 25006.html

I don’t see any MIA-DOH flights on QR in April or May. Does QR expect some sort of cruise traffic Jan-Mar or why operate 2x weekly flights then and not in April or May?

Qatar takes a trio delivery of 777Fs today.

The milestone also marks the 200th 777 Freighter to be delivered.

Boeing press release:
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2021-01-01 ... ways-Cargo



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqqO-GHXcAE ... name=large

will be a nice increase in comparison to the 33F.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of two ME powerhouses at SEA during this pandemic...who is going to bleed the most?

I wonder how long it will be before QR planes are allowed in Saudi and UAE airspace again.

I was doing some fake bookings and noticed the EK flights are 777-200LR's and as mentioned, the QR flights are on 777-300ER's.

wedgetail737 wrote:

It'll be interesting to see what comes of two ME powerhouses at SEA during this pandemic...who is going to bleed the most?

With all this much capacity @SEA wonder AA might do what NW with respect to SEA-BLR flight.

QR will be four weekly. Any body know about frequency of Emirates flight on DXB-SEA route after resumption. Will it be daily?

Ammad wrote:

QR will be four weekly. Any body know about frequency of Emirates flight on DXB-SEA route after resumption. Will it be daily?

According to the Emirates website, it's also 4X weekly to start.

blrBird wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

It'll be interesting to see what comes of two ME powerhouses at SEA during this pandemic...who is going to bleed the most?

With all this much capacity @SEA wonder AA might do what NW with respect to SEA-BLR flight.

I still don't believe this will be a route that will come to fruition.

As for who will burn the most cash? 100% QR.

Interesting that AS has partnerships with both EK and QR.

EK flew twice a day out of SEA for while and then Trump came up with the laptop ban for foreign airlines which put a big dent in the international business traffic. Is it possible that Qatar is trying to get that 2nd ME flight back? Meaning that at one point there was enough demand for two ME flights a day during a typical market environment.

It would be interesting if QR instead of going daily to Montreal, starts 3X weekly service to Vancouver.

Fred15 wrote:

EK flew twice a day out of SEA for while and then Trump came up with the laptop ban for foreign airlines which put a big dent in the international business traffic. Is it possible that Qatar is trying to get that 2nd ME flight back? Meaning that at one point there was enough demand for two ME flights a day during a typical market environment.

That could be possible. I remember EK having 2 flights on the DXB-SEA route, with one being a 77E and the other being a 77L. I had always thought that TK would be the next "ME" carrier to serve SEA, pre-pandemic.

QR has grown very impressive cargo operation. Already in 2019 it was in the number 2 spot globally in FTKs.



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Ammad wrote:

QR will be four weekly. Any body know about frequency of Emirates flight on DXB-SEA route after resumption. Will it be daily?

Where are airlines getting the traffic for these flights. Travel to the US is still very restricted; are there enough US citizens to justify these flights? Canadian flights are also restricted to just Canadians.

What kind of LFs are QR running at the moment? Yes, I know that carriers want to be off the starting blocks when things finally get going again, but even with vaccine, this could be some time. It just seems like a massive waste of fuel to start a new route now.

qf789 wrote:

Qatar A359 A7-ALL has been spotted in SNN in primer and will fly to France for repainting into World Cup special livery



https://twitter.com/TierneyOisin/status ... 55745?s=20

Apparently, some problem was detected with the aircraft at SNN; the original plan was that it should be painted there, but was instead just stripped down to the primer and sent to Toulouse. I don't know any more than that.

kaitak wrote:

Ammad wrote:

QR will be four weekly. Any body know about frequency of Emirates flight on DXB-SEA route after resumption. Will it be daily?

Where are airlines getting the traffic for these flights. Travel to the US is still very restricted; are there enough US citizens to justify these flights? Canadian flights are also restricted to just Canadians.

What kind of LFs are QR running at the moment? Yes, I know that carriers want to be off the starting blocks when things finally get going again, but even with vaccine, this could be some time. It just seems like a massive waste of fuel to start a new route now.

qf789 wrote:

Qatar A359 A7-ALL has been spotted in SNN in primer and will fly to France for repainting into World Cup special livery



https://twitter.com/TierneyOisin/status ... 55745?s=20

Apparently, some problem was detected with the aircraft at SNN; the original plan was that it should be painted there, but was instead just stripped down to the primer and sent to Toulouse. I don't know any more than that.

QR is not focused on the traffic, but more so focused on being the airline that has kept people flying all around the world. Its about putting Qatar on the global podium for everyone to look at.

kaitak wrote:

Ammad wrote:

Apparently, some problem was detected with the aircraft at SNN; the original plan was that it should be painted there, but was instead just stripped down to the primer and sent to Toulouse. I don't know any more than that.

From another thread running on this:

A QR A350, A7-ALL MSN 036, a 4 year A350, was being prepped for paint removal from the standard QR livery and repaint into the Qatari World Cup 2022 livery at SNN when IAC engineering discovered that the airframe had premature cracks in the composite fuselage. The aircraft will be ferried to TLS for repairs by Airbus. Although it is unknown the extent of the cracks, this event is somewhat significant as it is the first A350 to be entirely stripped for repainting and arises the question if other A350 aircraft will have similar issues when they are stripped for repaint. The aircraft apparently was also involved in a ground collision at MLE in 2018 and repaired however stabilizer damage was also found as a result of the inspection.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

I don’t see any MIA-DOH flights on QR in April or May. Does QR expect some sort of cruise traffic Jan-Mar or why operate 2x weekly flights then and not in April or May?

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

clrd4t8koff wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

I don’t see any MIA-DOH flights on QR in April or May. Does QR expect some sort of cruise traffic Jan-Mar or why operate 2x weekly flights then and not in April or May?

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

Is QR allowed to resume their previous flight paths over Saudi and the other nations now that they have become friends again?

lalib wrote:

Is QR allowed to resume their previous flight paths over Saudi and the other nations now that they have become friends again?

well, its not a process as simple as walking through an open door. time will come, but its not something that is in place today.

CALMSP wrote:

lalib wrote:

Is QR allowed to resume their previous flight paths over Saudi and the other nations now that they have become friends again?

well, its not a process as simple as walking through an open door. time will come, but its not something that is in place today.

CALMSP thanks.
In due course I guess it'll be lifted. Will be good for QR and for reducing tension in the region.

Once a NOTAM (notice to airman) has been issued, and flight paths approved (I guess just reinstating the old ones? No idea how it works), then yes QR will be able to give a thumbs to Riyadh as they fly overhead.

Rumours of BHX and CWL being cut. Any truth in these?

caaardiff wrote:

Rumours of BHX and CWL being cut. Any truth in these?

cut or suspended? QR, in, I can't remember how long exactly, but its been years, I believe have only cut ASM.

Cutting routes shows weakness!! (but would be no surprise on CWL as that was a ridiculous route to begin with)

caaardiff wrote:

Rumours of BHX and CWL being cut. Any truth in these?

Would not be surprised at all if CWL is cut. They had the cheapest fares out of any other UK station. However i do wonder if QR would ever venture into Glasgow? I know it serves EDI but Emirates served both so who knows.

CWL was always going to be a gamble and unlikely to perform as good as other UK Airports, but it hasn't performed as bad as people think, given that it is still a relatively new route. In terms of passenger numbers CWL was continuing to slowly grow. In it's first year, CWL (55,568) actually carried more passengers than EDI (54,006). The issue seems to be frequency. EDI started 5 weekly whereas CWL started 7 weekly then dropped to 5 weekly in the winter. 2020 saw further growth vs 2019 so CWL should've easily have topped 100-110k passengers for 2020 had it not been for Covid.


Started 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Jan-20 Feb-20 Mar-20

EDI May-14 54006 115529 133983 132788 140727 167974 13139 9932 8399

BHX Mar-16 110585 126331 121002 132159 11966 10481 7869

CWL May-18 55568 90679 8429 7408 5192

MAH4546 wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

I don’t see any MIA-DOH flights on QR in April or May. Does QR expect some sort of cruise traffic Jan-Mar or why operate 2x weekly flights then and not in April or May?

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

Are you saying Emirates is moving all its Florida service to Miami next year?

miaintl wrote:

MAH4546 wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

Are you saying Emirates is moving all its Florida service to Miami next year?

there won't be any FLL service anymore. MIA will be the airport moving forward. EK is already flying 777-300 freighters into MIA now.

QR has clearly seen light at the end of its tunnel. Last year, they reinstated codeshare with AA. And now they can fly through Saudi, Bahraini, and UAE airspace again.

Let's hope that they can start to make up for those years of heavy losses.

MAH4546 wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

I don’t see any MIA-DOH flights on QR in April or May. Does QR expect some sort of cruise traffic Jan-Mar or why operate 2x weekly flights then and not in April or May?

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

No, I never claimed LY would never return to MIA. Yes, I did claim QR wouldn't return. I'll admit to being half wrong about that. With the exception of extremely spotty and intermittent service which has been removed from the schedules yet again starting in April they really haven't returned.

So, if QR cleared the April/May default schedule then why is ATL flights for sale again April/May and MIA removed?

Sources - qatarairways.com
Source (Google Flights) - https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... QAFIAZgBAg

QR 1365 to Johannesburg is crossing the Saudi airspace for the first time in four years.



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CALMSP wrote:

miaintl wrote:

MAH4546 wrote:

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

Are you saying Emirates is moving all its Florida service to Miami next year?

there won't be any FLL service anymore. MIA will be the airport moving forward. EK is already flying 777-300 freighters into MIA now.

Is this official or is this just your gut feeling?

clrd4t8koff wrote:

MAH4546 wrote:

clrd4t8koff wrote:

And it’s official - QR drops MIA yet again. With the exception of LY why can’t MIA keep a single ME or Asian carrier?

Not official at all. Should be back in GDS at months end. Atlanta suspension will be extended in exchange. In addition, from March 28th onwards Qatar will extend its codeshare partnership with AA to include MIA international flying.

For whatever reason, Qatar has been filing many destinations on a two month rolling basis. It cleared the April/May default schedule (which was the summer 2020 schedule) and it won’t file final April/May for a few more weeks.

I remember you claimed that Qatar would never return to MIA, and that El Al would not either. MIA has kept all three of its Middle East region airlines - El Al, Qatar, and Turkish - through the pandemic. As you know, there haven’t been other airlines from Asia providing passenger service to Miami, neither pre-COVID nor in the entire history of the airport. So please let me know, what Asian airline are you referring to?

If Qatar flying to Miami during COVID makes somebody upset, then what Emirates is looking to do with its Florida service in the next year will not sit well with those people.

No, I never claimed LY would never return to MIA. Yes, I did claim QR wouldn't return. I'll admit to being half wrong about that. With the exception of extremely spotty and intermittent service which has been removed from the schedules yet again starting in April they really haven't returned.

So, if QR cleared the April/May default schedule then why is ATL flights for sale again April/May and MIA removed?

Sources - qatarairways.com
Source (Google Flights) - https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... QAFIAZgBAg

Maybe the fact that Emirates will be flying from Miami could be the reason QR axes the route.

miaintl wrote:

CALMSP wrote:

miaintl wrote:

Are you saying Emirates is moving all its Florida service to Miami next year?

there won't be any FLL service anymore. MIA will be the airport moving forward. EK is already flying 777-300 freighters into MIA now.

Is this official or is this just your gut feeling?

well, they are already flying into MIA 2-3 times per week (which I wasn't even aware of....granted, cargo 773's)

When things improve, it will turn into a pax operation as FLL has closed permanently per my colleague who covers the southeast for EK.

CALMSP wrote:

miaintl wrote:

CALMSP wrote:

there won't be any FLL service anymore. MIA will be the airport moving forward. EK is already flying 777-300 freighters into MIA now.

Is this official or is this just your gut feeling?

well, they are already flying into MIA 2-3 times per week (which I wasn't even aware of....granted, cargo 773's)

When things improve, it will turn into a pax operation as FLL has closed permanently per my colleague who covers the southeast for EK.

I'll believe it when they announce it. There is no market for 77W passenger service @ MIA on EK. Heck, even when they were flying to FLL they could only make the 77L work a few days a week because it was their smallest plane capable of a flight that long without an F cabin. Why would MIA all of a sudden warrant a flight with F? The truth is - the only reason FLL even briefly worked was for the cruise traffic. With no resumption in sight for cruises there's nothing bringing the Filipino and SE Asia employees to S. Fla to fill the flights.

MCO will return first on a 77W.....then maybe MIA.

Do we have a general overview of the destinations QR will be axing for S21?

caaardiff wrote:

CWL was always going to be a gamble and unlikely to perform as good as other UK Airports, but it hasn't performed as bad as people think, given that it is still a relatively new route. In terms of passenger numbers CWL was continuing to slowly grow. In it's first year, CWL (55,568) actually carried more passengers than EDI (54,006). The issue seems to be frequency. EDI started 5 weekly whereas CWL started 7 weekly then dropped to 5 weekly in the winter. 2020 saw further growth vs 2019 so CWL should've easily have topped 100-110k passengers for 2020 had it not been for Covid.


Started 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Jan-20 Feb-20 Mar-20

EDI May-14 54006 115529 133983 132788 140727 167974 13139 9932 8399

BHX Mar-16 110585 126331 121002 132159 11966 10481 7869

CWL May-18 55568 90679 8429 7408 5192

Thank you for the numbers! Quite surprised that CWL has pulled out pretty well! Maybe a weekly service to start with and slowly moving forward from there?

Tell us what's flight number and time both routes DOH-RUH on Qatar please?

Q

Q wrote:

Tell us what's flight number and time both routes DOH-RUH on Qatar please?

Q

QR1164

They have also added Jeddah and Dammam.


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When they will start AUH, DXB, SHJ, RKT, BAH, CAI, HBE?
I know they are recruiting in DXB at the moment .. no announcement of the flights yet

xwb777 wrote:

Q wrote:

Tell us what's flight number and time both routes DOH-RUH on Qatar please?

Q

QR1164

They have also added Jeddah and Dammam.


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I checked with the Qatar website. It does not show up booking or schedules. Weird...

Q

Q wrote:

xwb777 wrote:

Q wrote:

Tell us what's flight number and time both routes DOH-RUH on Qatar please?

Q

QR1164

They have also added Jeddah and Dammam.


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I checked with the Qatar website. It does not show up booking or schedules. Weird...

Q

Comes up on the phone app!

Why between the difference iphone apps and website PC? It does not make any sense.


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