Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Opus99 · Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:50 pm

https://twitter.com/skynewsbiz/status/1 ... 06019?s=21

QR is calling Axed 777 and 787 pilots to reapply for roles as it wants to begin increasing its operations.

chonetsao · Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:29 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/skynewsbiz/status/1363859873298006019?s=21

QR is calling Axed 777 and 787 pilots to reapply for roles as it wants to begin increasing its operations.

Wow. That is bold. Are they anticipating a May/June surge in travel demand? or July/August surge?

myki · Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:51 pm

Is May too early?
Need to apply, get accepted, apply for visa, move, that can all take a while. I wonder how long the refresher training takes?

kxngb · Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:53 pm

Any news on Qatar's flights to Cardiff and Birmingham coming back at all? Also would like to see Qatar Glasgow too at some point.

chonetsao · Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:13 pm

myki wrote:
Is May too early?
Need to apply, get accepted, apply for visa, move, that can all take a while. I wonder how long the refresher training takes?

May is definitely too early. I was reading news from UK, and it seems vaccine passport plan may be revealed in May/June following the G7 decision on this issue. UK is also saying international holiday may not be allowed until second half of May. My impression is even if there are widely accepted international travel following the introduction of vaccine passport, it may not happen until one or two months after G7 (which is around 10th and 11th June).

Opus99 · Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:51 pm

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... -777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

aarbee · Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:07 pm

Any idea on the Two 777ERs at IAD-Luxemburg last week?

Delta28L · Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:14 pm

aarbee wrote:
Any idea on the Two 777ERs at IAD-Luxemburg last week?

Cargo runs

ThomasCook · Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:52 pm

Does anybody know if Malaga has been pulled? I read somewhere that it was returning from 23rd May but doesn't seem to show (Searched this thread and the Spanish Aviation Thread and can't find it).

Thanks

bob75013 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:40 pm

DUBAI (Reuters) - Top Boeing customer Qatar Airways on Tuesday expressed interest in a potential new freighter from the U.S. plane maker, while urging engine maker GE to invest in future technology as pressure builds on airlines to reduce emissions."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/qatar-ai ... 29311.html

Opus99 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:45 pm

Boeing will launch it, it’s a matter of when not if. I know we have an a.net poster who says it’s been given the green light. I expect more info in the coming months

Boeing757100 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pm

Kind of opposing AAB's whole proposition of getting a few more 747-8Fs..

Polot · Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:16 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Kind of opposing AAB's whole proposition of getting a few more 747-8Fs..

The 747 is done-completely sold out until end of production. If QR wants more 747-8Fs they need to find someone selling on the used market. QR’s cargo fleet is overwhelmingly 777F anyways (24 777Fs vs 2 748Fs).

Opus99 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:25 pm

Polot wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Kind of opposing AAB's whole proposition of getting a few more 747-8Fs..

The 747 is done-completely sold out until end of production. If QR wants more 747-8Fs they need to find someone selling on the used market. QR’s cargo fleet is overwhelmingly 777F anyways (24 777Fs vs 2 748Fs).

I wonder why they want to replace them so quickly. They won’t have problem selling them or leasing them out anyway. I’m sure someone will pick them up easily

Antarius · Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:28 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Kind of opposing AAB's whole proposition of getting a few more 747-8Fs..

The 747 is done-completely sold out until end of production. If QR wants more 747-8Fs they need to find someone selling on the used market. QR’s cargo fleet is overwhelmingly 777F anyways (24 777Fs vs 2 748Fs).

I wonder why they want to replace them so quickly. They won’t have problem selling them or leasing them out anyway. I’m sure someone will pick them up easily

Who said they are getting rid of the 748F?

Opus99 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:29 pm

Antarius wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Polot wrote:
The 747 is done-completely sold out until end of production. If QR wants more 747-8Fs they need to find someone selling on the used market. QR’s cargo fleet is overwhelmingly 777F anyways (24 777Fs vs 2 748Fs).

I wonder why they want to replace them so quickly. They won’t have problem selling them or leasing them out anyway. I’m sure someone will pick them up easily

Who said they are getting rid of the 748F?

Oh I mean the 777Fs. These 777XF will be for replacement

bob75013 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:46 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Kind of opposing AAB's whole proposition of getting a few more 747-8Fs..

The 747 is done-completely sold out until end of production. If QR wants more 747-8Fs they need to find someone selling on the used market. QR’s cargo fleet is overwhelmingly 777F anyways (24 777Fs vs 2 748Fs).

I wonder why they want to replace them so quickly. They won’t have problem selling them or leasing them out anyway. I’m sure someone will pick them up easily

Two of their 777F will be 13 years old in 2023.

Flaps · Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:10 pm

QR is in desperate need of freighter lift. Their fleet is over extended as it is.

andrew1996 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:23 pm

Does anyone know why QR onmly ever bought 2 747-8F considering its success and growth with the cargo market and all the 77F it has. Is the 77F more suited to QR's operation economically, but if so why have just 2 747-8F as that seems to detract from economies of scale unless its for the occasional cargo uplift that requires the size of the 747-8F

KFTG · Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:39 pm

Flaps wrote:
QR is in desperate need of freighter lift. Their fleet is over extended as it is.

Then why did they dump their entire A330F fleet, all of which basically within the last 12 months?
This airline strikes me as incompetent.

CALMSP · Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:54 pm

KFTG wrote:
Flaps wrote:
QR is in desperate need of freighter lift. Their fleet is over extended as it is.

Then why did they dump their entire A330F fleet, all of which basically within the last 12 months?
This airline strikes me as incompetent.

yeah, especially given todays environment, but the 33F was due out a few years ago but they kept the the 330 fleet as a whole a while longer. But, giving up 4 a/c to a competitor in todays environment is mind-boggling.

Antarius · Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm

KFTG wrote:
Flaps wrote:
QR is in desperate need of freighter lift. Their fleet is over extended as it is.

Then why did they dump their entire A330F fleet, all of which basically within the last 12 months?
This airline strikes me as incompetent.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

KFTG · Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:12 pm

Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

jbs2886 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:32 pm

KFTG wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

Or the cash from sale and future simplification benefits were significant to outweigh the reduced capacity. Do you know the financials of all of this? If not, you cannot claim they are incompetent.

Further QR can use parked passenger aircraft either just belly or with modified cabins to regain that capacity if needed.

For airlines we often claim chase market share and size, them selling aircraft to reduce fleet likely was a prudent financial decision.

Antarius · Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:20 pm

KFTG wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

You realize that aircraft purchases and sales don't happen on ebay right? QR ordered 777F with the intent of replacing their a330Fs, it isn't like they suddenly decided to sell them while wanting extra capacity.

LTEN11 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:21 pm

KFTG wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

They sold withdrawn freighters that had been replaced 1 for 1 with new build 777's, hardly incompetent.

Opus99 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:23 pm

LTEN11 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

They sold withdrawn freighters that had been replaced 1 for 1 with new build 777's, hardly incompetent.

And they still have some more sitting in Everett waiting for delivery

Opus99 · Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:24 pm

I expect 777X freighter before NMA I can tell you that. It seems Boeing will market it this year. If they do I guess we can count QR on board, anybody else?

jeffrey0032j · Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:03 am

KFTG wrote:
Flaps wrote:
QR is in desperate need of freighter lift. Their fleet is over extended as it is.

Then why did they dump their entire A330F fleet, all of which basically within the last 12 months?
This airline strikes me as incompetent.

They replaced the A330F with a more capable plane.

mig17 · Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am

QR has a fleet a 777-F. QR has 777-X on order. And QR will be the largest A350 operator.

With the possible A350-F that Airbus may have shown to them, they want to see if Boeing is also offering something soon.

migair54 · Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:36 am

Opus99 wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

They sold withdrawn freighters that had been replaced 1 for 1 with new build 777's, hardly incompetent.

And they still have some more sitting in Everett waiting for delivery

Maybe the agreement was done before COVID so QR can't keep the A330F flying more or they just have a very small number left and it was easier to get rid of them.

They can always convert some of the B77W into converter freighters in the future after the program starts getting momentum and conversion are certified. Also they have 9 B77L, I read in another post that FedEx is buying 10 of them from DL and thay may convert them into freighters, if that is a possibility QR could do the same with the 9 they have.

mig17 wrote:
With the possible A350-F that Airbus may have shown to them, they want to see if Boeing is also offering something soon.

i don't know if that will happen any time soon and I don't think the A350F will be able to uplift as much payload and volume as the B77F.

Pelly · Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:38 am

KFTG wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw COVID coming.

QR sold freighters to other operators *during 2020 and 2021*.
They are incompetent.

The A330F were hard to sell at good valuations prior to COVID, selling them in 2020/2021 was an opportunity to move them at good valuations (due to the demand for freighters) and simplify the fleet. They were replaced 1 for 1 with 77F with more on the way and also they have plenty of wide body passenger aircraft that would otherwise not be flying pick up the slack.

frigatebird · Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:23 am

migair54 wrote:
mig17 wrote:
With the possible A350-F that Airbus may have shown to them, they want to see if Boeing is also offering something soon.

i don't know if that will happen any time soon and I don't think the A350F will be able to uplift as much payload and volume as the B77F.

Unless it's based on the A350-1000, and sitting between the A350-900 and the -1000 in length (my speculation, based on the designation A350-950F which is now floating around) - see this separate thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1458691&start=158

DaCubbyBearBar · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:01 am

I think that down the road that UPS, FEDEX, and Cargolux will all order the 777XF....in small numbers each, but in the area of 75-100 being sold all over the world

LAX772LR · Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:28 am

frigatebird wrote:
Unless it's based on the A350-1000, and sitting between the A350-900 and the -1000 in length (my speculation, based on the designation A350-950F which is now floating around)

SIDEBAR: I'm still sorta scratching my head as to why that wasn't (at least, more publicly) the offering to QF for Sunrise.... it'd likely be quite the range/payload monster.

DarkSnowyNight · Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am

LAX772LR wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
Unless it's based on the A350-1000, and sitting between the A350-900 and the -1000 in length (my speculation, based on the designation A350-950F which is now floating around)

SIDEBAR: I'm still sorta scratching my head as to why that wasn't (at least, more publicly) the offering to QF for Sunrise.... it'd likely be quite the range/payload monster.

It is very likely an easier engineering task to bring the 1000 to the same range -particularly in Low Density configuration likely for the Sunrise Mission- than it would be to come up with an entirely new fuselage length. More so still if under 100 sales are anticipated for that variant.

If those decisions were made before a theoretical 950F length was up for discussion, there you go...

texl1649 · Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:40 am

This is just the AAB phase where he says he wants something, before he finally orders it, then the fun phase comes where he threatens to cancel/is angry about how the plane is perormed/when it will be delivered, then he renegotiates quantities/threatens to order a competitive model, then refuses delivery due to carpet or something in the cockpit not being perfect, then finally proclaims QR will take the aircraft.

So, phase 1 of 6 for QR.

VSMUT · Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:09 am

texl1649 wrote:
This is just the AAB phase where he says he wants something, before he finally orders it, then the fun phase comes where he threatens to cancel/is angry about how the plane is perormed/when it will be delivered, then he renegotiates quantities/threatens to order a competitive model, then refuses delivery due to carpet or something in the cockpit not being perfect, then finally proclaims QR will take the aircraft.

So, phase 1 of 6 for QR.

To be fair though, the final step is never a given for Qatar. Remember the A320neo and 737MAX orders? The first A320neo even got as far as being painted in the Qatar livery.

Polot · Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:37 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
Unless it's based on the A350-1000, and sitting between the A350-900 and the -1000 in length (my speculation, based on the designation A350-950F which is now floating around)

SIDEBAR: I'm still sorta scratching my head as to why that wasn't (at least, more publicly) the offering to QF for Sunrise.... it'd likely be quite the range/payload monster.

It is very likely an easier engineering task to bring the 1000 to the same range -particularly in Low Density configuration likely for the Sunrise Mission- than it would be to come up with an entirely new fuselage length. More so still if under 100 sales are anticipated for that variant. Airbus might not have been able to get a -950 built and certified in time for QF’s requirements.

If those decisions were made before a theoretical 950F length was up for discussion, there you go...

There is also the issue of slot/production availability for building significantly new variants (which always takes longer the first couple of frames). Before the A350 production chain was running at full steam- now there is slack as production rate is pulled back to match demand.

Gbass21 · Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:26 pm

Hello everyone, during last week I was wondering what new routes could we expect in order for FIFA WORLD CUP 2022. I know it´s hard to analize or predict what moves could QR do in order to reach as many "legacy world cup participant" as possible. But what could we expect about it? I think Europe, Asia and Africa is wonderfully well conect. But what about latin america? Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Mexico...? Would QR start seasonal DOH-EZE/MEX/BOG or would they rely in codeshare agreements with AA, IB and LA? It is important to remember that Brazil, Mexico, Argentina and Colombia teams, captures a lot of public in those games. In 2018, there were thousand of fans from those countries in Rusia, so we could expect the same in 2022.

Scotron12 · Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:54 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/qatar-airways-cargo-eyes-freighter-versions-777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

You posted in the 777X thread that AAB claims that QR is now the launch customer and will take 3x779s in 2023. My word! Is there any aircraft he hasn't ordered??

Im surprised he still has a job with his performance in not making money...but...jeez...look at all my brand new jets!

winter · Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:23 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/qatar-airways-cargo-eyes-freighter-versions-777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

You posted in the 777X thread that AAB claims that QR is now the launch customer and will take 3x779s in 2023. My word! Is there any aircraft he hasn't ordered??

Im surprised he still has a job with his performance in not making money...but...jeez...look at all my brand new jets!

If AAB's employment makes sense to his employers, then who are we to judge.

I recently flew a long set of segments with QR, and I can't praise their product and service highly enough.

Opus99 · Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:40 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/qatar-airways-cargo-eyes-freighter-versions-777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

You posted in the 777X thread that AAB claims that QR is now the launch customer and will take 3x779s in 2023. My word! Is there any aircraft he hasn't ordered??

Im surprised he still has a job with his performance in not making money...but...jeez...look at all my brand new jets!

Not only that but yesterday he said if OEMs released another aircraft that is even more efficient than what they have now he will buy it.

Thing about QR is compared to how much they contribute to the GDP of Qatar the government does not mind. If you think about how much traffic they bring through. Qatar Airways is very crucial to the master plan of Qatar. Also compared to how much their government spends in general, QR is small fish. Qatar is significantly richer than the UAE. Natural gas being their first source of income before crude oil. I think they’re the second largest exporter of natural gas because their reserves are massive. The country is extremely tiny. So what do you expect?

NZ321 · Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:42 pm

Have to say, I have become fatigued with Qatar's brand - and their tendency towards strong and somewhat extreme judgements in public statements courtesy of their CEO - and I have long since determined I will no longer spend my own or my company's well earned dosh with this airline, however good their onboard product may be. There are, afterall, plenty of rather good alternatives - both in One World and Star and even in Skyteam. In the meantime you will not be catching me on this airline anytime soon....

CALMSP · Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:29 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/qatar-airways-cargo-eyes-freighter-versions-777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

You posted in the 777X thread that AAB claims that QR is now the launch customer and will take 3x779s in 2023. My word! Is there any aircraft he hasn't ordered??

Im surprised he still has a job with his performance in not making money...but...jeez...look at all my brand new jets!

well, those last 7 words are what gets AAB an "above target" during his performance review!

Scotron12 · Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:00 pm

winter wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/qatar-airways-cargo-eyes-freighter-versions-777x-a350

Qatar airways is very interested in a 777X or 350 Freighter. Qatar is waiting for Boeing to share their 777X freighter plans.

Rest of the article is behind a paywall

You posted in the 777X thread that AAB claims that QR is now the launch customer and will take 3x779s in 2023. My word! Is there any aircraft he hasn't ordered??

Im surprised he still has a job with his performance in not making money...but...jeez...look at all my brand new jets!

If AAB's employment makes sense to his employers, then who are we to judge.

I recently flew a long set of segments with QR, and I can't praise their product and service highly enough.

I'm not knocking their product...just their thinking on how to run an airline. Yes, Qatar has tons of money seeing as their own population is under 500K and they got the most LPG on the planet. So for them, QR losing or making money doesn't matter. In fact, it's a cheap price for having the main US base in their sand dunes.

But I quite understand the US3 resentment to the ME3 in the past.

LAXintl · Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:05 pm

As someone that has actually has met and spoken with AAB, I found him to be extremely intelligent with a keen grasp of the details in his operation.

Sure publicly he can come off strong or arrogant, but I would say in general what he say is what many already think but don't have the platform to state such.

Imo, much of the resilience and high quality of QR is directly related to AAB stewardship of the company and I would give him kudos for his achievements.

CALMSP · Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:13 pm

LAXintl wrote:
As someone that has actually has met and spoken with AAB, I found him to be extremely intelligent with a keen grasp of the details in his operation.

Sure publicly he can come off strong or arrogant, but I would say in general what he say is what many already think but don't have the platform to state such.

Imo, much of the resilience and high quality of QR is directly related to AAB stewardship of the company and I would give him kudos for his achievements.

I don't fully disagree, but if all airlines had no limit for spending, no unions/HR to ensure employees are treated fairly, a high quality product would be standard on all airlines, and that is where I would disagree with his ability to "achieve".

winter · Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:05 pm

CALMSP wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
As someone that has actually has met and spoken with AAB, I found him to be extremely intelligent with a keen grasp of the details in his operation.

Sure publicly he can come off strong or arrogant, but I would say in general what he say is what many already think but don't have the platform to state such.

Imo, much of the resilience and high quality of QR is directly related to AAB stewardship of the company and I would give him kudos for his achievements.

I don't fully disagree, but if all airlines had no limit for spending, no unions/HR to ensure employees are treated fairly, a high quality product would be standard on all airlines, and that is where I would disagree with his ability to "achieve".

QR isn't the only state-owned airline in the World, but they run an efficient, effective, high-quality operation and I credit the management for that more than the bottomless cash they allegedly receive. Same can't be said about great many other carriers(state-owned/funded or not). You've got state carriers in Europe and Asia that deliver sub-par service despite frequent state support. And, as another example of good management you've got world-renowned Singapore Airlines that's been remarkably profitable AND managed to deliver an excellent product, without state aid in a liberal market setting.

rhysflies · Thu May 06, 2021 7:01 am

Looks like the new J seat on Qatar will be less Qsuite and more like the older seat after all, albeit with a door:

https://www.headforpoints.com/2021/05/0 ... -revealed/

What I don't understand is why Qatar didn't simply modify the Super Diamond they already have. Why go with Safran? What's the incentive? In my opinion the Super Diamond is the better seat, and it's also made by Collins. What did Safran offer them?

Still bizarre that they couldn't fit the Qsuite onto the 787s due to 12cm skinnier cabin width, although I guess the weight of the product may have been the deciding factor.

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