xjetflyer2001 wrote:

G-YMML “Great Festival of Creativity” livery flew to Cardiff on October 4th and hasn’t left. Is the special paint going away???

Cardiff doesn't have a paintshop and the LHR one is long since closed. Repaints were done at Dublin and Shannon of late.

skipness1E wrote:

xjetflyer2001 wrote:

G-YMML “Great Festival of Creativity” livery flew to Cardiff on October 4th and hasn’t left. Is the special paint going away???

Cardiff doesn't have a paintshop and the LHR one is long since closed. Repaints were done at Dublin and Shannon of late.

Thank You and good to know

Opus99 wrote:

xjetflyer2001 wrote:

G-YMML “Great Festival of Creativity” livery flew to Cardiff on October 4th and hasn’t left. Is the special paint going away???

Probably getting club suite and other new cabins

Thank You

LS83 wrote:

I’ve just booked one way A380 flight to Frankfurt for Monday 15th November! Flight departs Heathrow at 7.55am.
To say I’m excited is an understatement!

Very excited too! I never fly long haul these days and never been on an A380, so booked a return to MAD 12-13th Nov. A380 both ways!

Question is, the max I could book is Club Europe, yet as crew training flights aren't they going to want to operate all cabins up to and including First?

There is no F ( or A ) class fare - LON - MAD as this class of cabin isn't normally provided. My guess is that F on the 380 services will be used by BA's top tier Avios passengers, who have booked in Club, as an upgrade benefit.

Annoyingly, I already booked a flight from LHR to FRA but the early flight on a Saturday. Unfortunately, I can't swap it due to other flights.

Question: with BA now ramping up services again, albeit slowly, how much capacity does BA have now, compared to pre-COVID?

I do not mean what capacity they are actually right flying now, I mean in terms of aircraft that are currently active, plus those that are currently stored but not withdrawn? I'm tying to get an impression of what BA in 2023 will look like, compared to the BA of 2019. The basource.com would have been able to tell me this, but basource.com has "been withdrawn from service". Like BA's 747s.

I've lost track of where BA is, particularly with short-haul aircraft.

beakerltn wrote:

Question is, the max I could book is Club Europe, yet as crew training flights aren't they going to want to operate all cabins up to and including First?

They will be offering Club Europe and Euro Traveller service standards, not the long haul equivalents. The maximum capacity of the BA A321 is 220Y and I believe these A380 flights are capped at A32x capacity in case of last-minute changes, 154Y+44C would be the equivalent A321 layout. There is no realistic requirement for the upper deck or F to be used, unfortunately.

In previous training flights the upper deck was not used at all and the F cabin was also closed, both physically and in booking terms. The lower deck offers 44 Club World Beds and 199 World Traveller Seats, so more than enough to seat everyone.

vhtje wrote:

Question: with BA now ramping up services again, albeit slowly, how much capacity does BA have now, compared to pre-COVID?

I do not mean what capacity they are actually right flying now, I mean in terms of aircraft that are currently active, plus those that are currently stored but not withdrawn? I'm tying to get an impression of what BA in 2023 will look like, compared to the BA of 2019. The basource.com would have been able to tell me this, but basource.com has "been withdrawn from service". Like BA's 747s.

I've lost track of where BA is, particularly with short-haul aircraft.

I believe the current fleet, including those in short term storage, is
A319 35
A320 62 (another 5 in storage at St Athan are probably not going to return)
A320N 16
A321 18
A321N 10
A350 8
A380 12
777-2 43 including 1 at Cardiff and 2 at Teruel
777-3 16
787-8 12
787-9 18
787-10 2 plus another 5 flown awaiting delivery

Scoreboard wrote:

vhtje wrote:

Question: with BA now ramping up services again, albeit slowly, how much capacity does BA have now, compared to pre-COVID?

I do not mean what capacity they are actually right flying now, I mean in terms of aircraft that are currently active, plus those that are currently stored but not withdrawn? I'm tying to get an impression of what BA in 2023 will look like, compared to the BA of 2019. The basource.com would have been able to tell me this, but basource.com has "been withdrawn from service". Like BA's 747s.

I've lost track of where BA is, particularly with short-haul aircraft.

I believe the current fleet, including those in short term storage, is
A319 35
A320 62 (another 5 in storage at St Athan are probably not going to return)
A320N 16
A321 18
A321N 10
A350 8
A380 12
777-2 43 including 1 at Cardiff and 2 at Teruel
777-3 16
787-8 12
787-9 18
787-10 2 plus another 5 flown awaiting delivery

The 9th A350 was noted at TLS a week or two ago so could be delivered shortly.

Scoreboard wrote:

vhtje wrote:

Question: with BA now ramping up services again, albeit slowly, how much capacity does BA have now, compared to pre-COVID?

I do not mean what capacity they are actually right flying now, I mean in terms of aircraft that are currently active, plus those that are currently stored but not withdrawn? I'm tying to get an impression of what BA in 2023 will look like, compared to the BA of 2019. The basource.com would have been able to tell me this, but basource.com has "been withdrawn from service". Like BA's 747s.

I've lost track of where BA is, particularly with short-haul aircraft.

I believe the current fleet, including those in short term storage, is
A319 35
A320 62 (another 5 in storage at St Athan are probably not going to return)
A320N 16
A321 18
A321N 10
A350 8
A380 12
777-2 43 including 1 at Cardiff and 2 at Teruel
777-3 16
787-8 12
787-9 18
787-10 2 plus another 5 flown awaiting delivery

Hello.
Are the 5 Airbuses in storage at St Athan definitely A320s?
As others have said, since the much missed basource went it isn't easy working out what went where.
I look at the St Athan website from time to time, and it has 5 BA A319s listed that arrived in 2021 and haven't yet been broken up.
If these 5 are A320s, do you know which ones they are?
Many thanks

fngsnetmker

Yep, pretty sure they’re 319’s .

TUGMASTER wrote:

Yep, pretty sure they’re 319’s .

sorry, my bad - it is A319s stored at St. Athan.

On the next A350, that had been stored at Lourdes after test flights but has now gone back to Toulouse, so hopefully not too long before delivery.

Scoreboard wrote:

TUGMASTER wrote:

Yep, pretty sure they’re 319’s .

sorry, my bad - it is A319s stored at St. Athan.

On the next A350, that had been stored at Lourdes after test flights but has now gone back to Toulouse, so hopefully not too long before delivery.

Of course, on the minus side, B787-8 G-ZBJB hasn’t been heard of since it’s mishap in June. I can only presume it’s being repaired, but maybe not if the insurance payout is acceptable.

https://cardiffstathan.blogspot.com/p/a ... athan.html

G-EUPA A319 British Airways
G-EUPB A319 British Airways
G-EUPC A319 British Airways
G-EUPF A319 British Airways
G-EUPH A319 British Airways
G-ZZZA B772 British Airways
G-ZZZB B772 British Airways

Stored A319 and B777 at St Athan

BA A380, G-XLED, that has been in storage at DOH, is now active.

Is there a plan for the A321ceo to return to service?

BA will install their new (ish) Club Suites on all LHR based 777s by end of 2022. Their F cabin will reduce from 14 to 8.

Guess this is a sign their 777s will be around for quite a while then?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/british ... oeing-777/

beakerltn wrote:

LS83 wrote:

I’ve just booked one way A380 flight to Frankfurt for Monday 15th November! Flight departs Heathrow at 7.55am.
To say I’m excited is an understatement!

Very excited too! I never fly long haul these days and never been on an A380, so booked a return to MAD 12-13th Nov. A380 both ways!

Question is, the max I could book is Club Europe, yet as crew training flights aren't they going to want to operate all cabins up to and including First?

It’s not about training the cabin crew in cabin service. They are already operating on aircraft which provide all the levels of service. It’s about refamiliarising the cabin crew and flight crew with the safety and emergency procedures of the aircraft.

Scotron12 wrote:

BA will install their new (ish) Club Suites on all LHR based 777s by end of 2022. Their F cabin will reduce from 14 to 8.

Guess this is a sign their 777s will be around for quite a while then?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/british ... oeing-777/

First one not expected to leave till 2025 and according to IAG 4 777-9s are on order to replace 4 200ERs

With 30 B747’s having left the fleet last year, won’t BA have a capacity shortage as air travel demand resumes? One would have thought that most of their current fleet must be under very heavy utilization?

MileHFL400 wrote:

With 30 B747’s having left the fleet last year, won’t BA have a capacity shortage as air travel demand resumes? One would have thought that most of their current fleet must be under very heavy utilization?

Eventually yea, because of the covid restrictions they have been under utilised. But as things are opening back up, yes I expect to be completely choked up

Opus99 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

With 30 B747’s having left the fleet last year, won’t BA have a capacity shortage as air travel demand resumes? One would have thought that most of their current fleet must be under very heavy utilization?

Eventually yea, because of the covid restrictions they have been under utilised. But as things are opening back up, yes I expect to be completely choked up

Are there any aircraft that could be reactivated?

MrHMSH wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

With 30 B747’s having left the fleet last year, won’t BA have a capacity shortage as air travel demand resumes? One would have thought that most of their current fleet must be under very heavy utilization?

Eventually yea, because of the covid restrictions they have been under utilised. But as things are opening back up, yes I expect to be completely choked up

Are there any aircraft that could be reactivated?

No period stop- the dozen supers are what will be reactivated though. Most if not all the 744s are off fleet not just simply stored .

rutankrd wrote:

MrHMSH wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

Eventually yea, because of the covid restrictions they have been under utilised. But as things are opening back up, yes I expect to be completely choked up

Are there any aircraft that could be reactivated?

No period stop- the dozen supers are what will be reactivated though. Most if not all the 744s are off fleet not just simply stored .

I agree.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-fleet-2021 gives the current fleet:

• 8 A350-1000s
• 12 A380-800s
• 43 777-200ERs
• 16 777-300ERs
• 2 787-10s
• 18 787-9s
• 12 787-8s

BA have 10 A350-1000s, 10 787-10s and 18 777-9 coming in the next few years. They replace the 31 747-400 that were on their way out anyway. That, plus bringing back all the A380s, should work out fine.

Revelation wrote:

rutankrd wrote:

MrHMSH wrote:

Are there any aircraft that could be reactivated?

No period stop- the dozen supers are what will be reactivated though. Most if not all the 744s are off fleet not just simply stored .

I agree.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-fleet-2021 gives the current fleet:

• 8 A350-1000s
• 12 A380-800s
• 43 777-200ERs
• 16 777-300ERs
• 2 787-10s
• 18 787-9s
• 12 787-8s

BA have 10 A350-1000s, 10 787-10s and 18 777-9 coming in the next few years. They replace the 31 747-400 that were on their way out anyway. That, plus bringing back all the A380s, should work out fine.

There are three B772’s in long-term storage (G-VIIA/VIIV/VIIW). These could add to the reactivated total with the A380’s. Also, the B788 G-ZBJB has been inactive/damaged since mid-June and could re-appear sometime.

airsmiles wrote:

Revelation wrote:

rutankrd wrote:

No period stop- the dozen supers are what will be reactivated though. Most if not all the 744s are off fleet not just simply stored .

I agree.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-fleet-2021 gives the current fleet:

• 8 A350-1000s
• 12 A380-800s
• 43 777-200ERs
• 16 777-300ERs
• 2 787-10s
• 18 787-9s
• 12 787-8s

BA have 10 A350-1000s, 10 787-10s and 18 777-9 coming in the next few years. They replace the 31 747-400 that were on their way out anyway. That, plus bringing back all the A380s, should work out fine.

There are three B772’s in long-term storage (G-VIIA/VIIV/VIIW). These could add to the reactivated total with the A380’s.
Also, the B788 G-ZBJB has been inactive/damaged since mid-June and could re-appear sometime.

BA ‘pre-covid’ services came to an end in the last week of March ’20.
After March ’20, 33 longhaul aircraft were retired (31 747s and 2 777s).
Since March '20 9 longhaul aircraft have been delivered:
4x 777-300
2x 787-10
3x A350

So, at this time there are 24 fewer aircraft in the BA longhaul fleet (33 retired less 9 delivered) than there were pre-covid.

When deliveries resume, the shortfall will begin to close.
An A350 made a customer acceptance flight on 30SEP, so delivery appears to be imminent.
A number of 787-10s are stored pending delivery.

It also needs to be acknowledged that a number of pre-covid markets may not return for some time as various nations continue to struggle.

Iv heard whispers that BKK and KUL are to be mothballed for some time. HND appears to be suspended now and I would be very surprised if there is a return to ICN or KIX in the foreseeable.

KIX, ICN, KUL, DUR, CHS, PIT, MCT AND SEZ are not planned to restart and the planned PDX is off for the moment too. BKK is planned to operate next summer with 777.

Yeah I don't get the feeling BA, or any other airline for that matter, are worrying about lack of capacity to be able to meet demand with their shrunk fleets any time soon. It's not just that so many destinations in its network are still largely off-limits for the time being for pax, but even those that are open have less demand than they did pre-covid, and thus frequencies are down. The battering to the world economy on the demand front has pushed out any date in the calendar for either declaring options or new orders on WB aircraft. Between reactivating the rest of the 380s, fully utilising its 772 fleet, taking out of storage the approx five 781's it will have put there by year-end, the dawdling on the 350 deliveries, not to mention the 779s coming in around 2024, BA has plenty of slack in its fleet to utilise, and time, before it needs to look at fleet expansion again, and even then there will probably be plenty of options for a quick fix through lessors or those in a dire situation looking to cut back fleets for cash.

The only question outside of this is if you expect there to be a sudden un-foreseen surge in demand for long-haul travel, and then a bottleneck for the industry will occur in the same vein as we have seen in other consumer industries, or the rental-car industry, due to the capacity that has been dumped by air carriers during the crisis and the rush through the door for new planes. However, unlike what we have seen in say the car market, production of planes continued through the crisis, supply outstripping the blip in demand, and the customer base for aircraft is very different to the car market, being corporate rather than retail, and thus swings in demand/supply are much more mellow. But this is a wider question than just for BA.

shamrock321 wrote:

KIX, ICN, KUL, DUR, CHS, PIT, MCT AND SEZ are not planned to restart and the planned PDX is off for the moment too. BKK is planned to operate next summer with 777.

Interesting. I wonder if the rumoured move of BKK service from LHR to LGW would finally happen or not.

The only aircraft BA will be interested in are replacement aircraft for the 200ERs and A319/320CEOs

In the future, I expect this replacement aircrafts to be an up-gauge on the aircraft they replace due to slot constraints that will continue at Heathrow as their largest shareholder has backed out of the third runway

Opus99 wrote:

The only aircraft BA will be interested in are replacement aircraft for the 200ERs and A319/320CEOs

In the future, I expect this replacement aircrafts to be an up-gauge on the aircraft they replace due to slot constraints that will continue at Heathrow as their largest shareholder has backed out of the third runway

That needs to be balanced against the fact that the "new normal" will be less business traffic thus less profit.

Those 772ERS will be sticking around for a while now that they’re all going to have the new config and seats.

TUGMASTER wrote:

Those 772ERS will be sticking around for a while now that they’re all going to have the new config and seats.

I guess BA really likes to get its money's worth out of aircraft. Meanwhile, EK is now scrapping its first A380 delivered in 2008 while BA is said to be planning to do a cabin refit on their A380s.

TUGMASTER wrote:

Those 772ERS will be sticking around for a while now that they’re all going to have the new config and seats.

They will. The first isn’t due to be retired until 2025 at the earliest

Revelation wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

The only aircraft BA will be interested in are replacement aircraft for the 200ERs and A319/320CEOs

In the future, I expect this replacement aircrafts to be an up-gauge on the aircraft they replace due to slot constraints that will continue at Heathrow as their largest shareholder has backed out of the third runway

That needs to be balanced against the fact that the "new normal" will be less business traffic thus less profit.

This is true. The up-gauge won’t be anything drastic. Before covid I would’ve said well 779/35K could’ve played a role but I think the 78X or 359 will be the prime candidate for majority of that replacement.

Revelation wrote:

TUGMASTER wrote:

Those 772ERS will be sticking around for a while now that they’re all going to have the new config and seats.

I guess BA really likes to get its money's worth out of aircraft. Meanwhile, EK is now scrapping its first A380 delivered in 2008 while BA is said to be planning to do a cabin refit on their A380s.

BA is historically a long term user of its fleet.
And many times sole user .!

Is there a gttnp (320neo) on order?

qantas330 wrote:

Is there a gttnp (320neo) on order?

G-TTNP msn 10548, first flew as F-WWIG on 20Apr21, seen by me still as F-WWIG on 13Sep21 in full colours.

I'd appreciate someone's assistance with an a/c type question.

I'm pleased to see that SAN-LHR has already increased its freq to 5X weekly, and now on the 789. Could someone please clarify the configuration (and total capacity of pax & freight) of the a/c scheduled to be used (primarily?) on this route? (The first couple of weeks of the restarted route used the 772.) To the best of my knowledge, the 789 is a new equipment type in SAN on any carrier.

Thanks in advance.

bb

BA configuration on their B789s are F8C42WT+39WT127 for a total of 216. Cargo I have no clue!

airsmiles wrote:

Revelation wrote:

rutankrd wrote:

No period stop- the dozen supers are what will be reactivated though. Most if not all the 744s are off fleet not just simply stored .

I agree.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-fleet-2021 gives the current fleet:

• 8 A350-1000s
• 12 A380-800s
• 43 777-200ERs
• 16 777-300ERs
• 2 787-10s
• 18 787-9s
• 12 787-8s

BA have 10 A350-1000s, 10 787-10s and 18 777-9 coming in the next few years. They replace the 31 747-400 that were on their way out anyway. That, plus bringing back all the A380s, should work out fine.

There are three B772’s in long-term storage (G-VIIA/VIIV/VIIW). These could add to the reactivated total with the A380’s. Also, the B788 G-ZBJB has been inactive/damaged since mid-June and could re-appear sometime.

Side note, I wonder what will be done with G-VIIV/W/Y as these three are in the Gatwick four class 14F 48J configuration which is now obsolete? Only G-VIIY is active at the moment operating out of both LHR and LGW recently.

Scoreboard wrote:

qantas330 wrote:

Is there a gttnp (320neo) on order?

G-TTNP msn 10548, first flew as F-WWIG on 20Apr21, seen by me still as F-WWIG on 13Sep21 in full colours.

Last flight was on 29th October still as F-WWIG
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wwig/#29adaf71

BA174 wrote:

Side note, I wonder what will be done with G-VIIV/W/Y as these three are in the Gatwick four class 14F 48J configuration which is now obsolete? Only G-VIIY is active at the moment operating out of both LHR and LGW recently.

They would be outliers with the 14F cabin in the rest of the 777 fleet. Knowing BA they might reconfigure them 8F, 9 Club Suite and leave the 48J CW seats as they are! The F offer from LGW is/was limited, just Barbados, Grenada, Port Of Spain and St Lucia, I think. BA felt they worked at LGW with a 14 F cabin during the last reconfiguration, so these 777s may remain outliers. The WTP and WT cabins are the latest versions and the IFE is the Panasonic system, I think? The main difference would be seen in Club, other than the smaller F cabin.

Scotron12 wrote:

BA configuration on their B789s are F8C42WT+39WT127 for a total of 216. Cargo I have no clue!

Thank you. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that there were at least 2 configs for the 789s, a 3-class & a 4-class but I guess that was something else. I had the 216-seat total in my head but thanks for confirming that.

bb

BA's 3-class 789 is the 788!

SANFan wrote:

Scotron12 wrote:

BA configuration on their B789s are F8C42WT+39WT127 for a total of 216. Cargo I have no clue!

Thank you. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that there were at least 2 configs for the 789s, a 3-class & a 4-class but I guess that was something else. I had the 216-seat total in my head but thanks for confirming that.

bb

Only 777-200 has 3-class and 4-class difference (with several different layout!!!!). B789 only one configuration so far until BA starts to roll out club Suite on the B789s (then who knows).

SANFan wrote:

I'd appreciate someone's assistance with an a/c type question.

I'm pleased to see that SAN-LHR has already increased its freq to 5X weekly, and now on the 789. Could someone please clarify the configuration (and total capacity of pax & freight) of the a/c scheduled to be used (primarily?) on this route? (The first couple of weeks of the restarted route used the 772.) To the best of my knowledge, the 789 is a new equipment type in SAN on any carrier.

Thanks in advance.

bb

If you go to iagcargo.com and look on the fleet page you can get passenger and freight capacities for all the BA aircraft. It says The 789 has a freight capacity of 11 tonnes, which looks a bit odd as the 788 is listed as having a cargo capacity of 14.9 tonnes.