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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 2:20 am

CairnterriAIR wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
At this time tomorrow, Breeze will unveil their first destinations and routes. Have to believe with good reason that BDL will be among a few airports in New England included, with BDL-CHS being one of their first routes I’ve heard as a very distinct possibility. I have a feeling PVD will be on there as a destination, as well.


I’m guessing BDL is a given for the first round of routes. Yes to Charleston...a big market with no nonstop service. Pretty much a low risk flight. I’m going to take a long shot guess that they double up in Connecticut with service to HVN eventually as well. Probably watching how Avelo does this fall with bookings. PVD will be in the first round as well, and I’m also guessing a Maine airport and BTV.


Having a LCC will be a new experience at HVN. There is tremendous demand for Florida service and I expect Avelo will offer HVN to Florida flights. I wonder what the frequencies will be and if down the road Breeze can be accomodated. I was surprised that Allegiant sat on the fence so long for several years on serving HVN. There was much communication with HVN but no action. The A319's would have done well.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 2:57 am

btvhopper wrote:
Speaking of these new AA routes at our small airports (in my case BTV) I'm having trouble understanding the rationale.

I did some quick booking searches, and when you search for a BTV-DFW saturday flight the new nonstop route barely even shows up. AA offers 4-5 other flights via PHL first, and the nonstop is tremendously more expensive. I kinda doubt people are interested to be on a 4 hour flight on a RJ as well.
https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... QAFIAZgBAQ

What is the business case for such infrequent service on a 70-seat regional? Is this just a marketing gimmick--"We expanded X number of new flights and routes this summer!" Or is it really a trial to see if it sticks? I find it hard to believe route planners can get any meaningful insight into demand for such a small sample

Personally as a BTV booster I'm happy to see it but there is still limited tangible value. A319's to DCA or PHL (ideally CLT but that's doubtful IMO) would be a much better benefit to the airport. And I'm someone who commutes DFW 1-2x per year from Vermont for work.


I definitely PREFER a 4 hour RJ flight on an EMB170/175 over any A320, 737, 757 100% of the time. I really can't imagine anyone would disagree with me. Would you really rather fly on a 3X3 narrow body over an EMB170/175? Are you a masochist?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 4:44 am

Jetport wrote:
btvhopper wrote:
Speaking of these new AA routes at our small airports (in my case BTV) I'm having trouble understanding the rationale.

I did some quick booking searches, and when you search for a BTV-DFW saturday flight the new nonstop route barely even shows up. AA offers 4-5 other flights via PHL first, and the nonstop is tremendously more expensive. I kinda doubt people are interested to be on a 4 hour flight on a RJ as well.
https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... QAFIAZgBAQ

What is the business case for such infrequent service on a 70-seat regional? Is this just a marketing gimmick--"We expanded X number of new flights and routes this summer!" Or is it really a trial to see if it sticks? I find it hard to believe route planners can get any meaningful insight into demand for such a small sample

Personally as a BTV booster I'm happy to see it but there is still limited tangible value. A319's to DCA or PHL (ideally CLT but that's doubtful IMO) would be a much better benefit to the airport. And I'm someone who commutes DFW 1-2x per year from Vermont for work.


I definitely PREFER a 4 hour RJ flight on an EMB170/175 over any A320, 737, 757 100% of the time. I really can't imagine anyone would disagree with me. Would you really rather fly on a 3X3 narrow body over an EMB170/175? Are you a masochist?


I 100% agree with you. Who wants to get stuck in a middle seat. Most EMB have some great coach seats too! Very comfortable.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 8:12 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Everyone needs to take a deep breathe here. The timing is not a disaster at all and contrary to previous posts BTV-DFW connects to lots of cities. It offers connections to all the largest o&d western cities. There is an entire departure "bank" at DFW 1025-1045pm with a generous and safe layover. The DFW-BTV flight connects to ALL the largest o&d cities and even some smaller cities that one stop flights are not that easy.

DEN, COS, ABQ, SLC, LAS, LAX, SAN, SFO, RNO, PDX,SEA, SMF, GEG, IAH, AUS, SAT, ELP just to give you some of the flights this flight feeds to at DFW all with solid layover times! There is an entire departure bank this flight feeds into perfectly. AA isnt dumb this flight is timed perfectly for a departure "bank" with a nice safe layover.

Its hard to get one stop flights to cities out west, this is still a great flight to BTV and i think the timing is good. I cant spend the whole day flying, this timing is ideal and gets you on western time. If we support it, maybe we can get it to year round or more days of the week. I think this is ideal timing for going out west. I and most people are not retirees who can afford an entire day to travel this gives us a nice PM option besides united to ORD to get out west later in the day. Having this flight as an evening arrival and am departure (the only other realistic alternative) would be dumb and AA knows what they are doing here. This flight serves a nice niche market and timing. This is good timing for this flight to start. Everything can change, lets support it

I don't think anyone here was saying there are -no- connections. Just that the timing for connections could be better.

The idea that the 1025-1045pm bank will get people out west "later in the day" is being generous. In fact, with this bank, for a lot of the western cities you name, you will get home the next day. Take SMF: the flight arrives ~midnight. Once you collect bags and get transport to your destination, you're talking 1am or later. I don't know many people that want to get to their destination at 1am or later. Especially if you live in Vermont, that's 4am ET at minimum. The SEA flight would be far worse: It gets in at 12:39am.

Also, many cities of interest are excluded from the 1025-1045pm bank.

How about CUN, one of the biggest destinations in Mexico? Can't connect. Last nonstop leaves at 8:45pm.
How about SJO? Can't connect. Last nonstop leaves at 830pm.
How about SAF? Can't connect. Last nonstop leaves at 724pm.

In my personal case, I would have liked to support the flight by trying the 1-stop BTV-DFW-MRY. Again, the poor timing of BTV-DFW means I can't do it. Last nonstop DFW-MRY leaves at 724pm.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 12:52 pm

https://airwaysmag.com/featured/breeze- ... tinations/

PVD and BDL made the initial round of Breeze destinations starting in July 2021. Both get CHS, ORF and PIT service. BDL gets an extra CMH connection.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 1:59 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
It’s a new US startup with loads of money backing it along with proven start-up guru David Neeleman. Kinda a big deal.

I think you and a lot of people are over blowing this Breeze thing. The business model for this airline has nothing to do with the proven business model that Neeleman employed with his previous startups.
In its previous airlines, JetBlue, WestJet, Azul, the strategy was to bring lower fares to large markets. A much easier proposition than the one with Breeze which is to offer lower fares between smaller markets. IIRC that was Skybus' strategy and we all know how that turned out.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 2:35 pm

airbazar wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
It’s a new US startup with loads of money backing it along with proven start-up guru David Neeleman. Kinda a big deal.

I think you and a lot of people are over blowing this Breeze thing. The business model for this airline has nothing to do with the proven business model that Neeleman employed with his previous startups.
In its previous airlines, JetBlue, WestJet, Azul, the strategy was to bring lower fares to large markets. A much easier proposition than the one with Breeze which is to offer lower fares between smaller markets. IIRC that was Skybus' strategy and we all know how that turned out.


This is more “small allegiant” than skybus. PVD ORF should do well from the navy connection. CHS should do well from the leisure allegiant type model. PIT, 400 weekly low fare seats is right sized for an market that previously had service.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 8:28 pm

FINALLY, someone decides to give PVD-ORF a shot. Looking forward to seeing how all the new service takes off and what the future holds. Congrats to BDL and PVD on being part of Breeze's initial cadre of destinations.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 10:33 pm

PVD523 wrote:
FINALLY, someone decides to give PVD-ORF a shot. Looking forward to seeing how all the new service takes off and what the future holds. Congrats to BDL and PVD on being part of Breeze's initial cadre of destinations.


BDL-CHS is going to clean up! Huge market. BDL-ORF will do some decent leisure business as well. PVD-ORF will print money with the Navy traffic alone. Well thought out routes.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm

CairnterriAIR wrote:
PVD523 wrote:
FINALLY, someone decides to give PVD-ORF a shot. Looking forward to seeing how all the new service takes off and what the future holds. Congrats to BDL and PVD on being part of Breeze's initial cadre of destinations.


BDL-CHS is going to clean up! Huge market. BDL-ORF will do some decent leisure business as well. PVD-ORF will print money with the Navy traffic alone. Well thought out routes.


I agree BDL-CHS should be very successful.

PIT has decent demand and is onerous to travel to by car so that route should do well.

ORF and CMH will be interesting...hope they work out and they launch more routes from BDL.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 11:01 pm

globetrotter29 wrote:
CairnterriAIR wrote:
PVD523 wrote:
FINALLY, someone decides to give PVD-ORF a shot. Looking forward to seeing how all the new service takes off and what the future holds. Congrats to BDL and PVD on being part of Breeze's initial cadre of destinations.


BDL-CHS is going to clean up! Huge market. BDL-ORF will do some decent leisure business as well. PVD-ORF will print money with the Navy traffic alone. Well thought out routes.


I agree BDL-CHS should be very successful.

PIT has decent demand and is onerous to travel to by car so that route should do well.

ORF and CMH will be interesting...hope they work out and they launch more routes from BDL.


BDL-CMH is a resurrection of the old insurance shuttle US used to run. Nationwide HQ folks should make use of it- not sure that will be enough but we’ll see!
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 11:55 pm

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BZ is going to fly to ALB. It’s was on the list they filed

Source? Not saying you're wrong but this is the first I have heard of it.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 11:58 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
BZ is going to fly to ALB. It’s was on the list they filed

Source? Not saying you're wrong but this is the first I have heard of it.

Doesn’t mean that airport is getting service the filing wasn’t all airports that are getting service
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 1:04 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
globetrotter29 wrote:
CairnterriAIR wrote:

BDL-CHS is going to clean up! Huge market. BDL-ORF will do some decent leisure business as well. PVD-ORF will print money with the Navy traffic alone. Well thought out routes.


I agree BDL-CHS should be very successful.

PIT has decent demand and is onerous to travel to by car so that route should do well.

ORF and CMH will be interesting...hope they work out and they launch more routes from BDL.


BDL-CMH is a resurrection of the old insurance shuttle US used to run. Nationwide HQ folks should make use of it- not sure that will be enough but we’ll see!

DL also flew that route until (relatively) recently as well, and I believe HP before that? There's definitely precedent for the route.

Agree on the PIT and CHS comments as well. PIT was flown for a long time, even after US closed the hub; it was one of the last point-to-point routes to go. There is a large local market to the Carolinas generally, though I wonder if more of that market is concentrated in southern CT (i.e., costal Fairfield and New Haven counties)?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 10:04 pm

airlineworker wrote:
CairnterriAIR wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
At this time tomorrow, Breeze will unveil their first destinations and routes. Have to believe with good reason that BDL will be among a few airports in New England included, with BDL-CHS being one of their first routes I’ve heard as a very distinct possibility. I have a feeling PVD will be on there as a destination, as well.


I’m guessing BDL is a given for the first round of routes. Yes to Charleston...a big market with no nonstop service. Pretty much a low risk flight. I’m going to take a long shot guess that they double up in Connecticut with service to HVN eventually as well. Probably watching how Avelo does this fall with bookings. PVD will be in the first round as well, and I’m also guessing a Maine airport and BTV.


Having a LCC will be a new experience at HVN. There is tremendous demand for Florida service and I expect Avelo will offer HVN to Florida flights. I wonder what the frequencies will be and if down the road Breeze can be accomodated. I was surprised that Allegiant sat on the fence so long for several years on serving HVN. There was much communication with HVN but no action. The A319's would have done well.


If I had to make an armchair guess as to what Avelo is going to start with at HVN...considering they will have three aircraft on base....I’m guessing two banks of three flights each day with maybe one day a rotation less to cycle the aircraft through maintenance. Transcons to Burbank too long right now...one round trip a day with rock bottom fares is rough on a new airline (Skybus and those long west coast runs). Definitely Florida is my guess. Can get two round trips in a day and have the crews back home at HVN each night. I’m guessing for the winter...Melbourne, Sanford, St Pete are daily or at least 5-6 days a week. Panama City, Sarasota, and for a long shot Key West for 3-4 times a week. Summer routes could be seasonal Myrtle Beach, Savannah, and quick turns in between flights to Nantucket (a cheap quick alternative to the ferry). Just my guess...they will be going for leisure traffic. Easy grab in New England.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 10:27 pm

airbazar wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
It’s a new US startup with loads of money backing it along with proven start-up guru David Neeleman. Kinda a big deal.

I think you and a lot of people are over blowing this Breeze thing. The business model for this airline has nothing to do with the proven business model that Neeleman employed with his previous startups.
In its previous airlines, JetBlue, WestJet, Azul, the strategy was to bring lower fares to large markets. A much easier proposition than the one with Breeze which is to offer lower fares between smaller markets. IIRC that was Skybus' strategy and we all know how that turned out.


SkyBus and independence air launched at a terrible time. These two new airlines are launching at maybe the easiest time for a ulcc ever and at a time when people want to avoid the big airports more then ever. I think both will be really successful. Both are very well planned and have real Industry experts. Independence air and skybus just tried to wing it at a terrible time. This is much more like frontier or allegiant them anything else.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 12:55 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
BZ is going to fly to ALB. It’s was on the list they filed

Source? Not saying you're wrong but this is the first I have heard of it.


I remember someone told me that the past Airport CEO told them he was talking to Breeze about coming here back in 2019.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 2:11 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
It’s a new US startup with loads of money backing it along with proven start-up guru David Neeleman. Kinda a big deal.

I think you and a lot of people are over blowing this Breeze thing. The business model for this airline has nothing to do with the proven business model that Neeleman employed with his previous startups.
In its previous airlines, JetBlue, WestJet, Azul, the strategy was to bring lower fares to large markets. A much easier proposition than the one with Breeze which is to offer lower fares between smaller markets. IIRC that was Skybus' strategy and we all know how that turned out.


SkyBus and independence air launched at a terrible time. These two new airlines are launching at maybe the easiest time for a ulcc ever and at a time when people want to avoid the big airports more then ever. I think both will be really successful. Both are very well planned and have real Industry experts. Independence air and skybus just tried to wing it at a terrible time. This is much more like frontier or allegiant them anything else.

Agreed their timing is great. I only worry about the cartel of existing airlines joining together to suffocate them with capacity. We are seeing that in BUR already.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 4:43 pm

TerminalD wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I think you and a lot of people are over blowing this Breeze thing. The business model for this airline has nothing to do with the proven business model that Neeleman employed with his previous startups.
In its previous airlines, JetBlue, WestJet, Azul, the strategy was to bring lower fares to large markets. A much easier proposition than the one with Breeze which is to offer lower fares between smaller markets. IIRC that was Skybus' strategy and we all know how that turned out.


SkyBus and independence air launched at a terrible time. These two new airlines are launching at maybe the easiest time for a ulcc ever and at a time when people want to avoid the big airports more then ever. I think both will be really successful. Both are very well planned and have real Industry experts. Independence air and skybus just tried to wing it at a terrible time. This is much more like frontier or allegiant them anything else.

Agreed their timing is great. I only worry about the cartel of existing airlines joining together to suffocate them with capacity. We are seeing that in BUR already.


Well at least that won't happen with Avelo at HVN.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 2:17 am

airlineworker wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

SkyBus and independence air launched at a terrible time. These two new airlines are launching at maybe the easiest time for a ulcc ever and at a time when people want to avoid the big airports more then ever. I think both will be really successful. Both are very well planned and have real Industry experts. Independence air and skybus just tried to wing it at a terrible time. This is much more like frontier or allegiant them anything else.

Agreed their timing is great. I only worry about the cartel of existing airlines joining together to suffocate them with capacity. We are seeing that in BUR already.

Don’t be so sure. BDL will def get capacity from Breeze response. We haven’t seen HVN response because there are no routes. If they fly something like HVN-ATL there’s a good chance DL enters.

Well at least that won't happen with Avelo at HVN.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 3:04 am

TerminalD wrote:
airlineworker wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Agreed their timing is great. I only worry about the cartel of existing airlines joining together to suffocate them with capacity. We are seeing that in BUR already.

Don’t be so sure. BDL will def get capacity from Breeze response. We haven’t seen HVN response because there are no routes. If they fly something like HVN-ATL there’s a good chance DL enters.

Well at least that won't happen with Avelo at HVN.


DL and or UA at HVN would do very well, say with 2-3 daily flights to ATL and ORD. UA with the CRJ-550 and DL with the CRJ-700 or E-175's. Many are much closer to HVN than BDL and would welcome the chance to avoid I-91 past Hartford almost up to Massachusetts and the parking lot known as I-95 to the New York airports. Curious to see what cities Avelo will serve.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 2:57 pm

airlineworker wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
airlineworker wrote:
Don’t be so sure. BDL will def get capacity from Breeze response. We haven’t seen HVN response because there are no routes. If they fly something like HVN-ATL there’s a good chance DL enters.

Well at least that won't happen with Avelo at HVN.


DL and or UA at HVN would do very well, say with 2-3 daily flights to ATL and ORD. UA with the CRJ-550 and DL with the CRJ-700 or E-175's. Many are much closer to HVN than BDL and would welcome the chance to avoid I-91 past Hartford almost up to Massachusetts and the parking lot known as I-95 to the New York airports. Curious to see what cities Avelo will serve.

I expect Florida/RDU/ATL/Chicago/WAS/MYR or SAV
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 6:06 pm

ORH getting ready for JetBlue announcement tomorrow at 12:30pm

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/ ... er-airport
 
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 5:11 pm

ORH-JFK aug 19th/ 2nd JFK in Oct ORH-Fll Oct
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 5:13 pm

JetBlue would like to welcome great service…operated by low paying BP. They give the best fake experience, and save B6 from paying B6 employees. Hooray!!!
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 5:45 pm

Not really sure why JetBlue decided not to add the non-stop ORH-MCO flight, as they had before the pandemic. Flight loads were decent, even though it was one daily flight with a bad schedule departure time. However, having two flights to NYC will make a lot more sense regarding connection options.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:32 pm

Spirit adding BOS/BDL-MIA beginning 11/17. Another win and good add for BDL, good news for NK there. Good news all around for NK at BOS and BDL.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/busine ... 77383.html
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:39 am

SCHATC422 wrote:
Spirit adding BOS/BDL-MIA beginning 11/17. Another win and good add for BDL, good news for NK there. Good news all around for NK at BOS and BDL.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/busine ... 77383.html


The one thing about BDL...if you miss your flight to Florida, just wait ten minutes for the next one.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:41 pm

MHT is expected to announce WN to MDW in the coming days... started back yesterday. Does anyone have any news or rumors on new routes here?
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:27 pm

Cboyle wrote:
MHT is expected to announce WN to MDW in the coming days... started back yesterday. Does anyone have any news or rumors on new routes here?

lets hope that anything connecting Westbound through MDW is not $250.00 more than BOS as it has been.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:47 pm

lat41 wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
MHT is expected to announce WN to MDW in the coming days... started back yesterday. Does anyone have any news or rumors on new routes here?

lets hope that anything connecting Westbound through MDW is not $250.00 more than BOS as it has been.

I was looking at flights to Salt Lake City for this fall out of Manchester and AA was around $200 cheaper of course that probably was basic economy.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:44 pm

tomaheath wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
MHT is expected to announce WN to MDW in the coming days... started back yesterday. Does anyone have any news or rumors on new routes here?

lets hope that anything connecting Westbound through MDW is not $250.00 more than BOS as it has been.

I was looking at flights to Salt Lake City for this fall out of Manchester and AA was around $200 cheaper of course that probably was basic economy.

For the past year or so AA has had competitive fares out of MHT. The only problem is, it's on AA :)
WN hasn't had competitive fares out of MHT in years, when compared to BOS fares.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:02 pm

airbazar wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
lat41 wrote:
lets hope that anything connecting Westbound through MDW is not $250.00 more than BOS as it has been.

I was looking at flights to Salt Lake City for this fall out of Manchester and AA was around $200 cheaper of course that probably was basic economy.

For the past year or so AA has had competitive fares out of MHT. The only problem is, it's on AA :)

I'll double-down on the AA comment by saying it's actually AA Eagle ;)
airbazar wrote:
WN hasn't had competitive fares out of MHT in years, when compared to BOS fares.

WN seems to have two business models in the region.
1. Low fare and competitive fares designed to stimulate traffic and market share. This strategy is the old Southwest looking for small profits off of lots of passengers and locking away market share.
2. High and minimally competitive fares meant to take whatever traffic a market has (far less than stimulated) with the least investment possible (cut down flight frequencies and charge what the market can tolerate). This is the old-school high profit from just enough passengers that legacies often use in noncompetitive markets.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:05 pm

Montreal area people to use PBG or BTV has nothing about convenience. It's about cost savings and almost all of them are families so the savings gets multiplied. If you can save $50 a ticket and flying six people. $300 savings and walk to plane is worth it for some people. Clearly it's not the majority of flyers but there are definitely people who do it. They are the minority of flyers and much smaller then it used to be.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:13 pm

I always think BTV lines up better with ALB, SYR, ROC not in numbers per say but with demand, passengers, destinations other factors then with MHT, or BOS or PWM. BTV is really a floater imho shares more with the upstate ny airports then with new England.

WN just announced SYR with 2-3 daily flights. I could see BTV being a similar type operation. WN has shown here they are adding some very small stations. This isn't WN of 1990 anymore. 2x to BWI wouldn't be impossible to see.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:03 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I always think BTV lines up better with ALB, SYR, ROC not in numbers per say but with demand, passengers, destinations other factors then with MHT, or BOS or PWM. BTV is really a floater imho shares more with the upstate ny airports then with new England.

WN just announced SYR with 2-3 daily flights. I could see BTV being a similar type operation. WN has shown here they are adding some very small stations. This isn't WN of 1990 anymore. 2x to BWI wouldn't be impossible to see.


I don't see BWI offering anything more as a hub than BTV already has, so I think the draw would have to be lower fares, but as noted previously fares are pretty decent at BTV already so would it really be worth it for WN?

I see direct flights to Florida and maybe other leisure destinations as the potential growth area for BTV, but I think it would have to be less than daily so I don't know if that could make for a big enough operation for WN.

Breeze or more F9 routes seem like a better fit for BTV to me.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Agreed Breeze does seem like a good fit for BTV. Or F9 might feel the pressure and add another city with less then daily service before any else does.

I agree WN woudlnt really add too much for flyers, I actually hope they don't come personally . We have a good mix and variety and prices if pre covid flights come back. Just saying WN doesnt seem afraid of small cities anymore or less then daily flights. BTV wouldn't be too shocking for WN based on their recent adds but not sure it helps flyers too much if it's just a shuttle flight to BWI for connections.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:01 pm

MHT having press conference tomorrow I wonder who the new carrier is?

https://twitter.com/flymanchester/statu ... 84865?s=21
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:29 pm

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MHT having press conference tomorrow I wonder who the new carrier is?

https://twitter.com/flymanchester/statu ... 84865?s=21

Lol you beat me too it... I’m thinking B6 or NK
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:13 pm

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MHT having press conference tomorrow I wonder who the new carrier is?

https://twitter.com/flymanchester/statu ... 84865?s=21

McDonalds returning??? :duck:
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:39 pm

My guesses (in order):
NK to MCO/FLL
F9 to MCO/TPA
Delta Returning
B6 to JFK
Avelo
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:03 pm

The event is at 2pm. I’m guessing an airline based out west. Frontier.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 pm

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The event is at 2pm. I’m guessing an airline based out west. Frontier.


That could be a function of the governors availability. That's the only reason I don't think its something cargo related unless there's a major jobs component to it.
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:22 pm

Does alohashirts have any idea?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:30 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
The event is at 2pm. I’m guessing an airline based out west. Frontier.


That could be a function of the governors availability. That's the only reason I don't think its something cargo related unless there's a major jobs component to it.

Cargo has already been pretty much announced, just not the date of groundbreaking or the carrier. I would think that won't happen until the appeals on the Hudson development are settled. The current timing for cargo just seems to be too middle-groundish for a Governor event, although I would have thought the governor would have wanted in on the initial announcement for the cargo structure. Unless someone like FedEx or USP are announcing a cargo hub larger than Wiggens and bringing in a lot of jobs, I don't think cargo is being discussed tomorrow.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:10 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
The event is at 2pm. I’m guessing an airline based out west. Frontier.


That could be a function of the governors availability. That's the only reason I don't think its something cargo related unless there's a major jobs component to it.

Cargo has already been pretty much announced, just not the date of groundbreaking or the carrier. I would think that won't happen until the appeals on the Hudson development are settled. The current timing for cargo just seems to be too middle-groundish for a Governor event, although I would have thought the governor would have wanted in on the initial announcement for the cargo structure. Unless someone like FedEx or USP are announcing a cargo hub larger than Wiggens and bringing in a lot of jobs, I don't think cargo is being discussed tomorrow.


Especially given that the event is happening in the ticket counter area. That ought to be a clue. I’ll be there.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:41 pm

I cannot see Frontier coming into MHT. They tried PSM, and it failed , miserably for them. Who would MHT be any different? I could see Spirit, because they signed the grant application to bring a ULCC to MHT. Or it could be B6.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:04 pm

Blueknows wrote:
MHT having press conference tomorrow I wonder who the new carrier is?

https://twitter.com/flymanchester/statu ... 84865?s=21


My money is on B6 or DL returning
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:06 pm

Allegiant or spirit to florida

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