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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:02 am

paysonmt77 wrote:
The FAA will award $8 billion in grants to keep U.S. airport workers employed, construction projects going and help U.S. airports recover from the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. The funding for the grants comes from the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 President Biden signed into law on March 11, 2021.

The funding provides economic relief to eligible commercial service, reliever, and general aviation airports. The money will help keep people safe and employed by reimbursing operational expenses, debt service payments, and costs related to combating the spread of pathogens at the airport. Airports can also use the money to provide rent relief to in-terminal retail and concession companies.

The funding requires that airports continue to employ at least 90 percent of their pre-pandemic employees for those airports that cover a majority of the traveling public.

Among the hundreds of airports receiving funding today include:

Philadelphia International: $115 million
Yeager Airport, Charlestown, W.Va.: $3.2 million
Ted Stevens Anchorage International: $44.4 million
Gulfport-Biloxi International: $4.9 million
St. Louis Lambert International: $56.2 million
Portland International Jetport, Portland, Maine: $10.4 million
Daniel K Inouye International: $74.3 million
Raleigh-Durham International: $50.6 million
Seattle-Tacoma International: $175.7 million
Portland International: $72 million

https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/5444632 ... cue-grants


BTV and MHT got similar amounts to what PWM got.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:13 pm

Looks like UA is expanding offerings at MHT by returning to EWR. It appears that twice daily CRJ550s will be on tap to supplement x3 CRJs to IAD.
MHT's viability seems to be finally waking up. I wonder if DL will take notice.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:29 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Looks like UA is expanding offerings at MHT by returning to EWR. It appears that twice daily CRJ550s will be on tap to supplement x3 CRJs to IAD.
MHT's viability seems to be finally waking up. I wonder if DL will take notice.


DL is pretty much back to pre covid levels at PVD having only resumed in April. They did a close in add of a 3rd ATL starting in August meaning they must like what they have been seeing. The preliminary fall schedule even has one of the DTW's as mainline too, if that holds, then they will be above 2019 levels in the fall.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:59 pm

BDL will begin seeing a mix of A321's on DL's RON's between ATL, MSP and DTW RON's beginning tonight. Showing 2 DL A321 RON's tonight at BDL, DL2568 from DTW and DL2149 from MSP.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:21 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Looks like UA is expanding offerings at MHT by returning to EWR. It appears that twice daily CRJ550s will be on tap to supplement x3 CRJs to IAD.
MHT's viability seems to be finally waking up. I wonder if DL will take notice.

They should. They have the market......
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 pm

Another new flight for BTV - AA seasonal to MIA!

BTV-MIA: 7:00-11:00am
MIA-BTV: 7:30-11:00pm

Equipment: E-175

Saturdays from Nov 6 to Apr 2... and hopefully longer.

While I've been critical of this kind of service in the past, any new service from BTV is a positive and I appreciate AA seeing the opportunity at BTV.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:46 am

EricBTV wrote:
Another new flight for BTV - AA seasonal to MIA!

BTV-MIA: 7:00-11:00am
MIA-BTV: 7:30-11:00pm

Equipment: E-175

Saturdays from Nov 6 to Apr 2... and hopefully longer.

While I've been critical of this kind of service in the past, any new service from BTV is a positive and I appreciate AA seeing the opportunity at BTV.


Nice to see, and the prices look good compared the the options with connections.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:06 am

For those wondering bookings for the BTV-DFW flight have been excellent. Flights filled up within days of loading quickly. I am sure this helped AA decide to go for miami in winter.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:46 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
For those wondering bookings for the BTV-DFW flight have been excellent. Flights filled up within days of loading quickly. I am sure this helped AA decide to go for miami in winter.


AA really seems to be trying the hardest at BTV right now. If I'm not mistaken they are now regularly flying 2x E-170/175 daily to ORD and were even during the late spring slow time, and I don't think they are using anything smaller than a CRJ 700 on any of their routes.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:59 pm

It has been an interesting week at BTV, the airport director was suspended and a jet fuel shortage yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sevend ... AMP%2bHTML
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:02 pm

Sorry, the link to other story didn’t attach:
https://www.wcax.com/2021/07/11/jet-fue ... ht-delays/
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:46 pm

Interesting short snippet regarding current status of BTV. https://vtdigger.org/2021/07/11/pre-pan ... n-airport/

I appreciate Deputy Longo's bullishness and enthusiasm but I won't call being at 65% of 2019 "reverting back to where it was"... still a long road back and while AA's adds seem nice it doesn't come close to replacing the more-or-less consistent year-round mainline we had to ATL, EWR and ORD. He also mentioned B6 to JFK is back to 3x daily, but each time I check schedules I only see 1x daily. It also looks like DL has completely dropped LaGuardia with no plan of reinstatement, which was always a favorite by Vermonters trying to make a quick getaway to the City, and vice-versa.

Also, for those who haven't heard there was a scandal at BTV and the (former?) Director Gene Richards is on leave for two weeks (at minimum) while an outside firm "investigates a complaint". BTV is a very politically-run airport where every Mayor tries to implant his name on the airport and I fear this will not be good for confidence in the airport. While the current Mayor (Weinberger) is very pro-BTV the socialist-skewing City Council is anything but. A scandal like this--coupled with politically-unpopular F-35 basing and airlines capacity-constrained and happy to utilize fleets elsewhere--could be a death knell.

Overall you can't complain to much when there's still recovery at BTV, but much like the recession after 08-09 it seems BTV is recovering much, much more slowly than the airline industry is nationally--and even regionally for that matter.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:08 pm

Interesting week at BTV, the airport director “on leave” and the airport’s sole fuel vendor had no jet fuel yesterday, resulting in many delays.
https://www.wcax.com/2021/07/11/jet-fue ... ht-delays/
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:20 am

I agree that the city council in BTV could be a real issue. Look at Long Beach. Lets hope it doesn't go that way. The airport has been pretty pro airline recently, lets hope that stays (fingers crossed)

I think BTV has really come back except for jetblue who is being slower. So many new cities BOS, DFW and MIA I'm optimistic for BTVs future. Airfares will come back to earth after this summer. BTVs biggest issue isnt flights its having competitive airfares. This summer is terrible everywhere but i am actually optimistic about the airports future.

With regards to the airport director on leave....anyone can file a complaint. Could be something, could be nothing at all. I think he's a pretty big landlord in a time of high prices so it could be just someone who wants to make his life harder. I guess we will see, but the airport has thrived under his time. Look at passenger numbers and airfares. Airfares made the airport barely useable not that long ago. There was alot of traffic loss to ALB, BOS, BDL mostly.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:46 am

btvhopper wrote:
Interesting short snippet regarding current status of BTV. https://vtdigger.org/2021/07/11/pre-pan ... n-airport/


Overall you can't complain to much when there's still recovery at BTV, but much like the recession after 08-09 it seems BTV is recovering much, much more slowly than the airline industry is nationally--and even regionally for that matter.



Part of the reason could be the loss of Canadian customer; but even without them, flights at BTV have been very busy indeed lately.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:05 am

btvhopper wrote:

Interesting post.

With border restrictions still in place, a 65% recovery seems about right, given that somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% of pre-pandemic passengers were of Quebec origin. We need the border to fully open to truly see how things shake out.

As far as the airplane mix, IMHO it’s about as good as one could ask for: a majority of very comfortable E170/E190s and decently comfortable CRJ-900/700s, few of the awful CRJ-200s, and not many middle seats (only on the DEN and MCO flights).

“…more-or-less consistent year-round mainline we had to ATL, EWR and ORD.”

?? Not sure what you are referring to here. Are you saying these three had consistent year-round mainline in the planned schedule immediately prior to Covid, and then the virus upended that? Because the only one of those three to actually have year-round mainline in recent years was ORD, and even that was not consistent year to year. ATL has always reverted to CRJ-900/700 in the winter, and EWR hasn’t had consistent mainline since the days of People Express. Granted, there was a recent stretch when UA was doing the odd mainline on EWR, but it wasn’t consistent and it wasn’t year-round.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:28 am

I'd venture to say that, regionally, BTV is ahead of the recovery curve compared to other New England airports. I'm sure the deputy director was referring to the most recent passenger statistics available for BTV when referencing the 65% recovery, but as far as April numbers go, BOS was at 39% of 2019 traffic, MHT was 44%, PVD was 58%, BDL was 59%, and PWM was 65%. Once the border restrictions are loosened I think BTV will see another boost to recovery. Going forward it'll be a matter of regaining pre-pandemic frequency and guage since most destinations have returned. That goes for all the airports listed above.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:45 pm

There's a thread on "that big frequent flyer forum" about AA pulling out of HVN. Anybody hear anything official?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:56 pm

eastwood6 wrote:
There's a thread on "that big frequent flyer forum" about AA pulling out of HVN. Anybody hear anything official?


Can you post that link?
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:50 pm

Sorry, should have done that in the first place.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/america ... e-hvn.html
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:06 pm

PVD523 wrote:
I'd venture to say that, regionally, BTV is ahead of the recovery curve compared to other New England airports. I'm sure the deputy director was referring to the most recent passenger statistics available for BTV when referencing the 65% recovery, but as far as April numbers go, BOS was at 39% of 2019 traffic, MHT was 44%, PVD was 58%, BDL was 59%, and PWM was 65%. Once the border restrictions are loosened I think BTV will see another boost to recovery. Going forward it'll be a matter of regaining pre-pandemic frequency and guage since most destinations have returned. That goes for all the airports listed above.


Well BTV's 65% enplanement recovery vs 2019 must be for today, and not April.

April is also the most recent numbers I can find for BTV as well from the Airport Commission's minutes and it shows only 34% recovery, lower than BOS and BOS was much more impacted by lack of transatlantic travel and a sharp decline to business travel. There was definitely no one coming to Vermont during April because our economy (especially tourism/hospitality) was still so severely restricted and closed so it was likely only Vermont vacationers going to a state (in the south or west) that was more open. Now we are more than a month in with a fully reopened economy so I imagine there's traffic going both directions.
https://go.boarddocs.com/vt/burlingtonv ... PR2021.pdf

As far as plane mix goes that's a good point that the relative lack of consistent mainline from UA and DL has been offset by upgrading to E175's more or less across the board, especially on the AA routes. 3x daily E175's to CLT is not bad. I'd take 2x daily E175 frequencies over 3x E145 a hundred times out of a hundred. I think AA alone might be ahead of where they were (in terms of departing BTV seat capacity) in 2019, but UA is way way behind, and DL also behind.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when border restrictions are eased. My understanding is the Quebec (and the US for that matter) government is getting a bit impatient with the Trudeau's reluctance and stubbornness to move on the issue. Last I checked the Canadian dollar was very strong, which should make BTV even more compelling for price-sensitive Canadian travelers. As it's been mentioned, Canadians don't come to PBG or BTV for convenience, they come for the relative value vs flying out of YUL.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:34 pm

The whole northeast feels like flights are down still it's not just BTV. I woudlnt worry until the dust has settled from this summer. Demand seems sky high this summer at BTV, but again this is a crazy time I wouldn't make any long term predictions off of this summer or flights/seats not back. BTV seems to be doing well. BOS,DFW and MIA are all great additions for the airport

Just look at united EWR hub the whole thing is down alot of flights.... The northeast has been slower to recover on flights
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:34 pm

eastwood6 wrote:
There's a thread on "that big frequent flyer forum" about AA pulling out of HVN. Anybody hear anything official?

Noooooo I hope UA or DL swoops in soon to make up for that loss…


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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:32 pm

twosoun wrote:
eastwood6 wrote:
There's a thread on "that big frequent flyer forum" about AA pulling out of HVN. Anybody hear anything official?

Noooooo I hope UA or DL swoops in soon to make up for that loss…

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Apparently there are no AA flights out of HVN loaded in the schedule after September. Take that for what its worth. I haven't had the time to check myself.

Not that I have much business travel planned for 2021, but as I live less than 3 miles from HVN and am an AA elite this change, if true, would make me sad.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:51 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
The whole northeast feels like flights are down still it's not just BTV. I woudlnt worry until the dust has settled from this summer. Demand seems sky high this summer at BTV, but again this is a crazy time I wouldn't make any long term predictions off of this summer or flights/seats not back. BTV seems to be doing well. BOS,DFW and MIA are all great additions for the airport

Just look at united EWR hub the whole thing is down alot of flights.... The northeast has been slower to recover on flights


Yeah I wouldn’t use EWR as an example.

It’s down more because of the runway construction limiting flights. B6 and NK have also eaten away a lot at UA’s “slots.”

EWR has been operating at a total LF in the mid 90s for the past few weeks. This is among the highest in the nation.

UA is also adding 100+ flights a day in the next few weeks.

On top of that, EWR is one of only 3 US cities with more flight demand then 2019.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:00 am

I’ve been enjoying seeing all the new flights coming into PWM this summer. Great to see a southwest to MDW daily, as well as UA to DEN and DL mainline to MSP. This most mainline sized jets I've seen coming here in twenty years. As well as the first time I’ve seen service to PIT, CLE, CVG in 15-20 years between the three. Service to IND and MKE also are being flown. All on United this summer.

Was toying around with Frontier flights to see if I could do a quick and cheap getaway for a few days. Was surprised to see the PWM-MYR flight continues/originates at MIA and is is bookable the whole way through on same aircraft to/from MIA for $70 each way, with a travel time of just over five hours.

Frontier just started PWM-ATL and PHL this week. Was hoping to go down to ATL to plane spot at the Renaissance hotel at the airport, but Frontier wants $250-300 each way! Fares to MCO and TPA are also absurdly high for Frontier right now. Like $200-300 each way from PWM. So maybe another time when fares are low? Also, I noticed the ATL-PWM flight which started this weeks, RONs at PWM and continues to PHL the following morning. I didn’t think Frontier crew overnighted. But apparently so?

Also, it’s humorous, abut at PWM NIMBYs are complaining again….

Two years ago, residents in a certain ocean front neighborhood under the approach in South Portland, were complaining about noise. As a response, the Airport authority, Southwest and the FAA came up with a new RNAV approach procedure to help alleviate the complaints. But now, two years later, residents of a harbor island (also under the approach) are voicing the same complaints over increased airport traffic now coming over their island in Portland Harbor



‘Rattled by increase in airplane noise, Peaks Islanders are the latest to seek relief’ July 2021
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/07/ ... islanders/

And from two years ago, when shoreside residents were complaining before they created the new approach that island residents are complaining about now.

‘ Fed up with jetport noise, residents ask FAA to change flight paths’ Aug 2019
https://www.pressherald.com/2019/08/01/ ... ort-noise/
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:02 pm

54 scheduled flights today at PWM with 15 being mainline aircraft, slowly getting back to pre COVID levels.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:39 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
The whole northeast feels like flights are down still it's not just BTV. I woudlnt worry until the dust has settled from this summer. Demand seems sky high this summer at BTV, but again this is a crazy time I wouldn't make any long term predictions off of this summer or flights/seats not back. BTV seems to be doing well. BOS,DFW and MIA are all great additions for the airport

Just look at united EWR hub the whole thing is down alot of flights.... The northeast has been slower to recover on flights


Yeah I wouldn’t use EWR as an example.

It’s down more because of the runway construction limiting flights. B6 and NK have also eaten away a lot at UA’s “slots.”

EWR has been operating at a total LF in the mid 90s for the past few weeks. This is among the highest in the nation.

UA is also adding 100+ flights a day in the next few weeks.

On top of that, EWR is one of only 3 US cities with more flight demand then 2019.


UA is also in a path to replacing more regional jets with mainline, at EWR. That makes sense as leisure passengers don't need frequencies.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:35 am

F9 2758 a Neo320 from MIA diverted from PVD to MHT this evening. Why there? The weather looked fine at nearby BDL and BOS and they have operations there, not MHT.
 
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Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:47 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
F9 2758 a Neo320 from MIA diverted from PVD to MHT this evening. Why there? The weather looked fine at nearby BDL and BOS and they have operations there, not MHT.

It came here so I could stop by and see it.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:15 am

It’s 84 miles in a straight line but the flight from MHT-PVD went almost twice that - 159 miles, according to FlightAware. I guess avoiding traffic into Boston forces these flights to take roundabout routes ?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:04 pm

Any news yet on whether AA will continue PWM-MIA flights again this winter?
 
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Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:36 am

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of BDL, MHT, PWM, and PVD in April 2021:
BDL-BNA - 5806 passengers, 7359 seats, 78.90% load factor
BDL-BWI - 27599 passengers, 33740 seats, 81.80% load factor
BDL-FLL - 557 passengers, 700 seats, 79.57% load factor
BDL-MCO - 14876 passengers, 17454 seats, 85.23% load factor
BDL-MDW - 8093 passengers, 9497 seats, 85.22% load factor
BDL-RSW - 3650 passengers, 4629 seats, 78.85% load factor
BDL-TPA - 9651 passengers, 11640 seats, 82.91% load factor
BWI-MHT - 26913 passengers, 35412 seats, 76.00% load factor
MCO-MHT - 10173 passengers, 12744 seats, 79.83% load factor
MHT-TPA - 1736 passengers, 1908 seats, 90.99% load factor
BWI-PWM - 19520 passengers, 28332 seats, 68.90% load factor
BWI-PVD - 32373 passengers, 40790 seats, 79.37% load factor
DCA-PVD - 2382 passengers, 3146 seats, 75.72% load factor
FLL-PVD - 9167 passengers, 10727 seats, 85.46% load factor
MCO-PVD - 22239 passengers, 26644 seats, 83.47% load factor
PVD-RSW - 1170 passengers, 1336 seats, 87.57% load factor
PVD-TPA - 11076 passengers, 12942 seats, 85.58% load factor
 
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:14 am

 
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:46 am

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Always nice to see competition on routes, this is the first airline outside of AA who has flown BDL-DFW in decades (did Braniff fly the route?) but I would love to see F9 try some routes out of BDL with no competition like JAX, MSY, AUS, or even CLE/CVG. Besides RDU, everything has competition and I believe DL is supposed to restart BDL-RDU.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:39 am

Braniff flew BDL/DFW as direct with a stop in EWR in 1979 (using 727)
 
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:31 am

uconn99 wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:


Always nice to see competition on routes, this is the first airline outside of AA who has flown BDL-DFW in decades (did Braniff fly the route?) but I would love to see F9 try some routes out of BDL with no competition like JAX, MSY, AUS, or even CLE/CVG. Besides RDU, everything has competition and I believe DL is supposed to restart BDL-RDU.


I had mentioned the possibility of WN adding BDL-DAL nonstop service in response to the F9 BDL-DFW add, especially with WN having significantly more market share than F9 in both the BDL and DFW/DAL markets.

There are also a few other adds that could be made by WN out of BDL such as BDL-AUS/HOU/MYR/PHX/SRQ.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:37 am

jplatts wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:


Always nice to see competition on routes, this is the first airline outside of AA who has flown BDL-DFW in decades (did Braniff fly the route?) but I would love to see F9 try some routes out of BDL with no competition like JAX, MSY, AUS, or even CLE/CVG. Besides RDU, everything has competition and I believe DL is supposed to restart BDL-RDU.


I had mentioned the possibility of WN adding BDL-DAL nonstop service in response to the F9 BDL-DFW add, especially with WN having significantly more market share than F9 in both the BDL and DFW/DAL markets.

There are also a few other adds that could be made by WN out of BDL such as BDL-AUS/HOU/MYR/PHX/SRQ.


WN won't be adding DAL-BDL whatsoever. DAL is capped and part of the embargo deal on interstate travel with the city of Dallas, WN is so overcrowded and can't expand any further. They have 16/20 gates at DAL and are capped at 150 daily flights because of gate space. The deal, as you might remember, was made with the city to lift the embargo on interstate travel and not start any international routes.

On the other hand, I was told Breeze wants to use A220's to serve smaller international routes in the Caribbean and Western Europe.... 3600nm range means big potential opportunity for BDL. Still thinking before any of this happens, that BDL gets a B6 nonstop on a 321neo/LR to London.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:43 am

SCHATC422 wrote:
WN won't be adding DAL-BDL whatsoever. DAL is capped and part of the embargo deal on interstate travel with the city of Dallas, WN is so overcrowded and can't expand any further. They have 16/20 gates at DAL and are capped at 150 daily flights because of gate space. The deal, as you might remember, was made with the city to lift the embargo on interstate travel and not start any international routes.


WN currently operates 178 daily departures out of DAL, which is fewer than the 195 daily departures that WN had operated out of DAL 2 years ago. WN also has more than enough room at DAL to operate Saturday-only nonstop flights to additional destinations from DAL with WN operating fewer flights on Saturdays than on weekdays or Sundays.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:55 am

I dont mean to throw this discussion of track, but I was happening to be playing with the Delta website, and it still shows MHT as a destination, and it is on the destination map. Is there a reason for this?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:33 pm

737Jason wrote:
I dont mean to throw this discussion of track, but I was happening to be playing with the Delta website, and it still shows MHT as a destination, and it is on the destination map. Is there a reason for this?


I believe that Delta suspended MHT due to COVID, so I suppose it means that, on paper anyway, they plan to resume.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:05 am

This was an interesting press release in my mailbox this afternoon. $450K for marketing one airline's new routes? Is that routine?

NH Delegation Announces $450,000 for Manchester-Boston Regional Airport to Bolster Marketing of New Spirit Airlines Routes

(Washington, DC) – Today, U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and U.S. Senator Maggie Hassan (D-NH) and Representatives Annie Kuster (NH-02) and Chris Pappas (NH-01) announced that the Department of Transportation’s (DOT) Small Community Air Service Development Program (SCASDP) will award Manchester-Boston Regional Airport (MHT) $450,000 to support marketing for new routes available through Spirit Airlines, which will start in the fall. Spirit Airlines is the first airline added to the MHT hub since 2004.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:20 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
This was an interesting press release in my mailbox this afternoon. $450K for marketing one airline's new routes? Is that routine?

NH Delegation Announces $450,000 for Manchester-Boston Regional Airport to Bolster Marketing of New Spirit Airlines Routes

(Washington, DC) – Today, U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and U.S. Senator Maggie Hassan (D-NH) and Representatives Annie Kuster (NH-02) and Chris Pappas (NH-01) announced that the Department of Transportation’s (DOT) Small Community Air Service Development Program (SCASDP) will award Manchester-Boston Regional Airport (MHT) $450,000 to support marketing for new routes available through Spirit Airlines, which will start in the fall. Spirit Airlines is the first airline added to the MHT hub since 2004.


Any word on what other New England airports have received SCASDP grants?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:49 am

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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:43 pm

Hoping to see BDL-SEA start sometime soon. I would think its only a matter of time / aircraft availability before DL, B6, or Breeze start it with an A220.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:41 pm

maximairways wrote:
Hoping to see BDL-SEA start sometime soon. I would think its only a matter of time / aircraft availability before DL, B6, or Breeze start it with an A220.


I had previously mentioned the possibility of AS adding BDL-SEA nonstop service with BDL being one of the top markets that isn't currently served nonstop from SEA.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:39 pm

Frontier announced today new service from PWM to MIA 3X weekly starting on November 1st. With this addition, Frontier will now offer non stop flights (most are seasonal) to 9 destinations out of Portland.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:00 am

well it's been an awful long time and frankly due to Covid, the numbers were so bad, i really lost interest, but I figured it was time to dust off the old abacus and post some new numbers. My first port of call was MHT, but they've pulled all their detail files, so not happening there any more in terms of me reporting. So.... down South we go to BDL and update their numbers instead.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true


It's quite fascinating what's happening to be honest. for obvious reasons, a comparative between 20 and 21 is pretty much pointless, so i'm going back to 19. The numbers are still way down, but the map right now has been redrawn between the carriers.

Data below is up to and including May 21 reports.

Month:
Total: 403,417 34.1% down over 2019, but the best month since Feb 20 and the start of all the lockdowns

Market Share Rankings

1. AA - 94,230 down 35% (ranking #1 for market share, now overtaken WN with 23.4% share, despite the 35% drop, AA have held their share of the overall pax market to within 0.3% from 19 to 21. In 2019 AA were ranked #2.

2. B6 - 76,376 Yep the Boys in Blue have also taken WN at this point, although it was super close. But B6 are one of the big movers increasing their share from 11.8% to 17.3% and carrying 4,100 more pax during the month. In 2019 B6 were ranked #4

3. WN - 75,097 well they aren't going away quietly, but it's definitely with a whimper. Down to 3rd, after a 48.7% decrease in passenger and a collapse in share from nearly 24% down to 18.6%, there was a song in the early 90's. "The only way is up", I feel WN are signing a different tune "The only way is down", they will be a big player, but they are not the elephant they once.

4. DL - 54,404 - BDL still pays some bills for the 800lb gorilla from Atlanta, but a 55% reduction from 19 and a 6% drop in market share means they are paying a lot less with these numbers. Been 3rd for so long, but no more and it's hard to see them coming back in any meaningful way any time soon. Discuss.

5. NK - 48,667 - the yellow banana's are busy, and one of the recovery success stories at BDL. 10,000 more pax than 2019 and almost a 6% increase in market share to 12.1% and a deserved kick up from 6th to 5th.

6. UA - 45,343, the globes pulled in an interesting set of numbers , 26% reduction from 61,000 in 2019, but because of results elsewhere, market share increased by 1.2%

The others. MX and SY are newcomers but on their first month of operation, so nothing too crazy, picking up a combined 1,500. and F9 with 7,698 is a 43% drop in counts and a 0.3% drop in market share

Can't wait to see what happens in June

YTD

The actual difference between 20 and 21 is a mere 6,000 pax across the board, albeit 21 is slightly short, we have a flip where Jan-March 2020 were higher, but Apr-May are running multiple times higher and here's where it gets interesting.
AA is #1 right now by only 5% from B6, however I do expect that gap to widen during the summer months.
B6 is beating WN by around 50,000, but WN is running a little higher in count in the last couple of months, whether they can overhaul that deficit, or want to, or have the capacity to, can be a talking point.
Hot on the heels comes DL, NK and UA, there's about 20K between the three of them. DL is in the lead with UA next, but NK is catching up fast beating UA by 1,400 and 3,300 in April and May respectively

Anyway, I've linked the file with the info in it above, so take a look. if you can't get to it, let me know and i'll change the settings,
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:53 am

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of BDL, MHT, PWM, and PVD in May 2021:
BDL-BNA - 7789 passengers, 8998 seats, 86.56% load factor
BDL-BWI - 34862 passengers, 40676 seats, 85.71% load factor
BDL-FLL - 1322 passengers, 1750 seats, 75.54% load factor
BDL-MCO - 12099 passengers, 13405 seats, 90.26% load factor
BDL-MDW - 8544 passengers, 9051 seats, 94.40% load factor
BDL-RSW - 1555 passengers, 2036 seats, 76.38% load factor
BDL-TPA - 8695 passengers, 9907 seats, 87.77% load factor

BWI-MHT - 30255 passengers, 34894 seats, 86.71% load factor
MCO-MHT - 10686 passengers, 12584 seats, 84.92% load factor
MHT-TPA - 2419 passengers, 3276 seats, 73.84% load factor

BWI-PWM - 25546 passengers, 30261 seats, 84.42% load factor

BWI-PVD - 35773 passengers, 40100 seats, 89.21% load factor
FLL-PVD - 8160 passengers, 9218 seats, 88.52% load factor
MCO-PVD - 20339 passengers, 21814 seats, 93.24% load factor
MDW-PVD - 4336 passengers, 4708 seats, 92.10% load factor
PVD-RSW - 1275 passengers, 1701 seats, 74.96% load factor
PVD-TPA - 10708 passengers, 12041 seats, 88.93% load factor
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:05 am

VS4ever wrote:
well it's been an awful long time and frankly due to Covid, the numbers were so bad, i really lost interest, but I figured it was time to dust off the old abacus and post some new numbers. My first port of call was MHT, but they've pulled all their detail files, so not happening there any more in terms of me reporting. So.... down South we go to BDL and update their numbers instead.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true


It's quite fascinating what's happening to be honest. for obvious reasons, a comparative between 20 and 21 is pretty much pointless, so i'm going back to 19. The numbers are still way down, but the map right now has been redrawn between the carriers.

Data below is up to and including May 21 reports.

Month:
Total: 403,417 34.1% down over 2019, but the best month since Feb 20 and the start of all the lockdowns

Market Share Rankings

1. AA - 94,230 down 35% (ranking #1 for market share, now overtaken WN with 23.4% share, despite the 35% drop, AA have held their share of the overall pax market to within 0.3% from 19 to 21. In 2019 AA were ranked #2.

2. B6 - 76,376 Yep the Boys in Blue have also taken WN at this point, although it was super close. But B6 are one of the big movers increasing their share from 11.8% to 17.3% and carrying 4,100 more pax during the month. In 2019 B6 were ranked #4

3. WN - 75,097 well they aren't going away quietly, but it's definitely with a whimper. Down to 3rd, after a 48.7% decrease in passenger and a collapse in share from nearly 24% down to 18.6%, there was a song in the early 90's. "The only way is up", I feel WN are signing a different tune "The only way is down", they will be a big player, but they are not the elephant they once.

4. DL - 54,404 - BDL still pays some bills for the 800lb gorilla from Atlanta, but a 55% reduction from 19 and a 6% drop in market share means they are paying a lot less with these numbers. Been 3rd for so long, but no more and it's hard to see them coming back in any meaningful way any time soon. Discuss.

5. NK - 48,667 - the yellow banana's are busy, and one of the recovery success stories at BDL. 10,000 more pax than 2019 and almost a 6% increase in market share to 12.1% and a deserved kick up from 6th to 5th.

6. UA - 45,343, the globes pulled in an interesting set of numbers , 26% reduction from 61,000 in 2019, but because of results elsewhere, market share increased by 1.2%

The others. MX and SY are newcomers but on their first month of operation, so nothing too crazy, picking up a combined 1,500. and F9 with 7,698 is a 43% drop in counts and a 0.3% drop in market share

Can't wait to see what happens in June

YTD

The actual difference between 20 and 21 is a mere 6,000 pax across the board, albeit 21 is slightly short, we have a flip where Jan-March 2020 were higher, but Apr-May are running multiple times higher and here's where it gets interesting.
AA is #1 right now by only 5% from B6, however I do expect that gap to widen during the summer months.
B6 is beating WN by around 50,000, but WN is running a little higher in count in the last couple of months, whether they can overhaul that deficit, or want to, or have the capacity to, can be a talking point.
Hot on the heels comes DL, NK and UA, there's about 20K between the three of them. DL is in the lead with UA next, but NK is catching up fast beating UA by 1,400 and 3,300 in April and May respectively

Anyway, I've linked the file with the info in it above, so take a look. if you can't get to it, let me know and i'll change the settings,


Thank you for starting this up again! As a numbers geek I really look forward to your analysis for BDL, PVD, and other New England airports.

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