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N649DL wrote:People probably dont recall but UA was flying 757s on MHT-ORD through 2007. I flew a DL 73G on ATL-BTV in July 2019 and it was packed. It was such a crazy landing on that plane, so happy I did it.
WNflyer1523 wrote:How's Spirit doing at MHT?
If they're doing well, can anyone see them expanding to new places come spring-summer from MHT?
I could see less than daily ATL, BNA, RDU, and a wild card but LAS
WNflyer1523 wrote:How's Spirit doing at MHT?
If they're doing well, can anyone see them expanding to new places come spring-summer from MHT?
I could see less than daily ATL, BNA, RDU, and a wild card but LAS
chrisnh wrote:WNflyer1523 wrote:How's Spirit doing at MHT?
If they're doing well, can anyone see them expanding to new places come spring-summer from MHT?
I could see less than daily ATL, BNA, RDU, and a wild card but LAS
As much as I try to understand what, in my mind, ‘makes sense,’ I’m hardly ever right. The bias for MHT seems north-south flying rather than East-west. But one thing rearing its head now is crew staffing issues. Airlines that otherwise would jump on a route simply can’t because of the crew availability.
B595 wrote:N649DL wrote:People probably dont recall but UA was flying 757s on MHT-ORD through 2007. I flew a DL 73G on ATL-BTV in July 2019 and it was packed. It was such a crazy landing on that plane, so happy I did it.
Ok, you got us interested: What was crazy about the landing?
I think you’ll find that a lot of posters here recall the glory days of MHT with UA 757s. The topic comes up a lot.
N649DL wrote:B595 wrote:N649DL wrote:People probably dont recall but UA was flying 757s on MHT-ORD through 2007. I flew a DL 73G on ATL-BTV in July 2019 and it was packed. It was such a crazy landing on that plane, so happy I did it.
Ok, you got us interested: What was crazy about the landing?
I think you’ll find that a lot of posters here recall the glory days of MHT with UA 757s. The topic comes up a lot.
DL on ATL-BTV on the 73G was such a rare flight. I was connecting out of AUS on an A321 but the decent into BTV was basically a steep and hard right hand last second turn to make the runway. Not sure how long the runway is in BTV, but I'm assuming not very long. That's probably why the 737-700 was briefly used on the route. As I said, glad I flew it. When I saw it as an option, my gut was like "do it, you'll never have an opportunity like this again." Especially considering flying back to AUS out of BTV was on a CR2 via DTW and the service was miserable by comparison.
Not sure how often the topic of UA 757s going into MHT comes up as I'm new to this thread, but UA has a history of flying 757s to New England airports such as BUF as late as 2009, I believe. Even in 2007, I recall UA on BTV-ORD briefly became all mainline on A320s for some reason and then dropped them for many years on the route. To this day, I'm not sure what UA was trying to pull using the 757 on MHT-ORD when the BOS base is so close.
Departed flights also says DL briefly operated a 757 on PWM-BOS sometime in the 1990s. Another extreme rarity, wish UA would've done that at PWM with the 757 to ORD or IAD.
Another interesting (and current) flight for January, UA operating IAD-SYR on the A319.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:N649DL wrote:B595 wrote:Ok, you got us interested: What was crazy about the landing?
I think you’ll find that a lot of posters here recall the glory days of MHT with UA 757s. The topic comes up a lot.
DL on ATL-BTV on the 73G was such a rare flight. I was connecting out of AUS on an A321 but the decent into BTV was basically a steep and hard right hand last second turn to make the runway. Not sure how long the runway is in BTV, but I'm assuming not very long. That's probably why the 737-700 was briefly used on the route. As I said, glad I flew it. When I saw it as an option, my gut was like "do it, you'll never have an opportunity like this again." Especially considering flying back to AUS out of BTV was on a CR2 via DTW and the service was miserable by comparison.
Not sure how often the topic of UA 757s going into MHT comes up as I'm new to this thread, but UA has a history of flying 757s to New England airports such as BUF as late as 2009, I believe. Even in 2007, I recall UA on BTV-ORD briefly became all mainline on A320s for some reason and then dropped them for many years on the route. To this day, I'm not sure what UA was trying to pull using the 757 on MHT-ORD when the BOS base is so close.
Departed flights also says DL briefly operated a 757 on PWM-BOS sometime in the 1990s. Another extreme rarity, wish UA would've done that at PWM with the 757 to ORD or IAD.
Another interesting (and current) flight for January, UA operating IAD-SYR on the A319.
I never flew a United 757 out of MHT, but I did use to catch the late morning United 727 flight from PWM to ORD with a stop at MHT. Late 1990s.
During the late 80s I flew on United 737-300 on ORD-BGR-PWM. And during the early 80s, the ORD-PWM flight at first stopped at BTV before becoming non-stop. 727s
Yes, Delta used to fly the 757 from PWM to Boston and CVG. And perhaps LGA! (but I forgot with that one?) I remember DL 757 at PWM by 1986. I flew them between PWM and Boston numerous times. As well as on many 727s. Mainline DL to Boston and New York LGA stopped around 1994 or ‘95 . Then Business Express took over the routes from PWM.
Another interesting Delta route in the mid 90s was CVG-PWM-BGR-PWM-CVG on the MD-88. And prior to nonstop PWM to ATL, starting around 1999, it was a DL 727 flying PWM-ALB-ATL early morning, with the reverse route ATL-ALB-PWM arriving around midnight.
CO was flying mainline MD-80, 737-200/300 and 727 to PWM from EWR until 1998.
N649DL wrote:People probably dont recall but UA was flying 757s on MHT-ORD through 2007. I flew a DL 73G on ATL-BTV in July 2019 and it was packed. It was such a crazy landing on that plane, so happy I did it. Back in the day CO had no problem doing daily M80 service to EWR from MDT, so the market is there.
The problem if you ask me? Seasonal activity and airlines not terribly focused on the statistics of the region. Some (EG:BTV) just have raw and outdated gate areas much like boarding a plane in the Caribbean. It's almost like they want to keep the area to regionals now, regardless of demand. It seems like most of New England hasn't been mainline consistent since the USAirways days in the Early 2000s.
chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
TucsonDave wrote:When UA began flying to BTV, MHT and BGR, they did the flights with a stop in SYR. I recall seeing signs at the SYR UA counter and gate promoting special fares SYR-BGR.
chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
airlineworker wrote:chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
We don't see circle routes anymore such as the one you cite. Years ago DL had many in the deep south using one flight to connect two cities with ATL with MD-80's. Seems to have fallen out of favor with the airlines.
mjgbtv wrote:chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
ORD-BTV-BGR also. That probably came after MHT-BTV-ORD.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:At one time before my time, 1970s, DL use to fly ORD-DTW-BTV-PWM. It was either 727-2 or DC-9-30. I think that was just before deregulation?
pwm2txlhopper wrote:TucsonDave wrote:When UA began flying to BTV, MHT and BGR, they did the flights with a stop in SYR. I recall seeing signs at the SYR UA counter and gate promoting special fares SYR-BGR.
I like to think of myself an expert on PWM history 1980-present and, I’ve never heard of the ORD-SYR-PWM flight. Only ORD-BTV-PWM when United came to PWM in 1984, and ORD-BGR-PWM in later 1980s. Which I flew on once in 1988 or ‘89. We flew UA on JAN-MEM-ORD-BGR-PWM on 727s and 737-300. (JAN hasn’t had mainline United in about thirty years)
I believe you, though. Thanks for sharing the tidbit. interesting.
United came to Maine in 1984 when they were offering service to all 50 states. Even Delaware had mainline UA at Wilmington.chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
PWM-MHT is my shortest ever mainline flight. Flew it on a UA 727 Nov 1998. Less than 15 minutes and 70ish miles.
I also flew on loads of DL 727s and 757s on BOS-PWM in throughout the 1980s and early 1990s when I was a kid flying to MEM by way of PWM-BOS/LGA-ATL-MEM. Took 25 minutes or less and had full breakfast service in economy with pancakes, eggs, sausage.
I always wanted to fly the PWM-BGR-PWM leg with DL on the -88 back in the mid 1990s. But I never got to.
It use to fly CVG-PWM-BGR-PWM-CVG under one flight number. I’d watch it leave PWM for BGR, and the plane was back less than two hour later.
At one time before my time, 1970s, DL use to fly ORD-DTW-BTV-PWM. It was either 727-2 or DC-9-30. I think that was just before deregulation?airlineworker wrote:chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
We don't see circle routes anymore such as the one you cite. Years ago DL had many in the deep south using one flight to connect two cities with ATL with MD-80's. Seems to have fallen out of favor with the airlines.
They were known as the milk runs. With a large family presence in Mississippi, traveling frequently from PWM to JAN and MEM on DL in the 1980s and 90s, I remember such routes as ATL-BHM-JAN-BTR/SHV-DFW. MSY-JAN-MEM-ATL. MEM and HSV use to have these kind of southeast routes, too. Can’t remember all the exact combinations. But I remember getting on flights in MEM and JAN and seeing the city pairings on the board for whichever flight was being serviced behind the boarding gate. Hop scotching around the southeast out of ATL and DFW DL hubs.
DL was the airline of the South. When NW started their MEM hub in 1986, after buying Republic, they also had some milk run routes around the southeast. Although, ultimately a lot of those NW mainline routes out of MEM went to Northwest Airlinl on Saabs and Jetstream -31 by the early 1990s.
TucsonDave wrote:pwm2txlhopper wrote:TucsonDave wrote:When UA began flying to BTV, MHT and BGR, they did the flights with a stop in SYR. I recall seeing signs at the SYR UA counter and gate promoting special fares SYR-BGR.
I like to think of myself an expert on PWM history 1980-present and, I’ve never heard of the ORD-SYR-PWM flight. Only ORD-BTV-PWM when United came to PWM in 1984, and ORD-BGR-PWM in later 1980s. Which I flew on once in 1988 or ‘89. We flew UA on JAN-MEM-ORD-BGR-PWM on 727s and 737-300. (JAN hasn’t had mainline United in about thirty years)
I believe you, though. Thanks for sharing the tidbit. interesting.
United came to Maine in 1984 when they were offering service to all 50 states. Even Delaware had mainline UA at Wilmington.chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
PWM-MHT is my shortest ever mainline flight. Flew it on a UA 727 Nov 1998. Less than 15 minutes and 70ish miles.
I also flew on loads of DL 727s and 757s on BOS-PWM in throughout the 1980s and early 1990s when I was a kid flying to MEM by way of PWM-BOS/LGA-ATL-MEM. Took 25 minutes or less and had full breakfast service in economy with pancakes, eggs, sausage.
I always wanted to fly the PWM-BGR-PWM leg with DL on the -88 back in the mid 1990s. But I never got to.
It use to fly CVG-PWM-BGR-PWM-CVG under one flight number. I’d watch it leave PWM for BGR, and the plane was back less than two hour later.
At one time before my time, 1970s, DL use to fly ORD-DTW-BTV-PWM. It was either 727-2 or DC-9-30. I think that was just before deregulation?airlineworker wrote:
We don't see circle routes anymore such as the one you cite. Years ago DL had many in the deep south using one flight to connect two cities with ATL with MD-80's. Seems to have fallen out of favor with the airlines.
They were known as the milk runs. With a large family presence in Mississippi, traveling frequently from PWM to JAN and MEM on DL in the 1980s and 90s, I remember such routes as ATL-BHM-JAN-BTR/SHV-DFW. MSY-JAN-MEM-ATL. MEM and HSV use to have these kind of southeast routes, too. Can’t remember all the exact combinations. But I remember getting on flights in MEM and JAN and seeing the city pairings on the board for whichever flight was being serviced behind the boarding gate. Hop scotching around the southeast out of ATL and DFW DL hubs.
DL was the airline of the South. When NW started their MEM hub in 1986, after buying Republic, they also had some milk run routes around the southeast. Although, ultimately a lot of those NW mainline routes out of MEM went to Northwest Airlinl on Saabs and Jetstream -31 by the early 1990s.
To clarify, I was only speaking of UA service via SYR to BTV, MHT, and BGR. I did not mention PWM, nor do I ever recall any service between SYR and PWM.
PVDCMHOZ wrote:Don’t forget the DL BGR-PVD-ATL run from the mid 1990s. I am also old enough to remember, way back when I worked for UA in PVD, that we had 4x 757s to ORD (3 757s and a 722) and 4x J41s to IAD. Later it became 5x to ORD with mostly 722s and a 757.
Back even further, EA had a collection of interesting tag-ons from PVD:
EA Examples from back in the day:
PVD-BDL-ATL (may have been MIA not 100% sure)
PVD-ISP-ATL via a shiny new (at the time) 757 or a 72S - this was short lived.
PVD EA Schedule:
http://www.departedflights.com/EA083187p132.html
PVDCMHOZ wrote:Don’t forget the DL BGR-PVD-ATL run from the mid 1990s. I am also old enough to remember, way back when I worked for UA in PVD, that we had 4x 757s to ORD (3 757s and a 722) and 4x J41s to IAD. Later it became 5x to ORD with mostly 722s and a 757.
Back even further, EA had a collection of interesting tag-ons from PVD:
EA Examples from back in the day:
PVD-BDL-ATL (may have been MIA not 100% sure)
PVD-ISP-ATL via a shiny new (at the time) 757 or a 72S - this was short lived.
PVD EA Schedule:
http://www.departedflights.com/EA083187p132.html
B595 wrote:mjgbtv wrote:chrisnh wrote:A common flight I took several times was United 1230, which went ORD-PWM-MHT-ORD. I’ve also been on flights that went MHT-BTV-ORD. BGR-MHT-ORD was another. These were in the 727/737 days (mid to late 1980s and into the 1990s).
ORD-BTV-BGR also. That probably came after MHT-BTV-ORD.
Interestingly, at one point UA ran BTV-BGR and BTV-MHT in parallel, both with 722s. This can be seen in the 15 Dec. 1989 OAG on departedflights. If memory serves, BTV-MHT soldiered on longer than BTV-BGR, with the 722 eventually being replaced by the 733.
PVDCMHOZ wrote:Don’t forget the DL BGR-PVD-ATL run from the mid 1990s. I am also old enough to remember, way back when I worked for UA in PVD, that we had 4x 757s to ORD (3 757s and a 722) and 4x J41s to IAD. Later it became 5x to ORD with mostly 722s and a 757.
Back even further, EA had a collection of interesting tag-ons from PVD:
EA Examples from back in the day:
PVD-BDL-ATL (may have been MIA not 100% sure)
PVD-ISP-ATL via a shiny new (at the time) 757 or a 72S - this was short lived.
PVD EA Schedule:
http://www.departedflights.com/EA083187p132.html