WNflyer1523 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

737Jason wrote:

I have some concern regarding NK at MHT. I know a few reliable sources at the airport, and they have informed me the flights are only carrying 50 people on average. This is worrisome, as that is obviously not profitable. I know it is not the busy season, but I don't feel the flights should be that empty. I have a bad feeling we could see them gone within 6 months to a year.

Slow season
Start-ups in new markets often start slowly
Lack of local name recognition and what there is was not great in recent press
People need time to change habits

Other airlines at MHT are running over 90% loads so I agree with the reply saying to give it some time. I'm sure the upcoming winter, holiday period and then school break seasons will drive loads upward. Once that is done, recognition will be there.

Agreed with this post. I'm sure they'll make it work.

If only that MCO flight didn't arrive in after midnight. Not a good choice for families with little kids.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

WNflyer1523 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

Slow season
Start-ups in new markets often start slowly
Lack of local name recognition and what there is was not great in recent press
People need time to change habits

Other airlines at MHT are running over 90% loads so I agree with the reply saying to give it some time. I'm sure the upcoming winter, holiday period and then school break seasons will drive loads upward. Once that is done, recognition will be there.

Agreed with this post. I'm sure they'll make it work.

If only that MCO flight didn't arrive in after midnight. Not a good choice for families with little kids.

ULCC customers will fly regardless of times.

Spirit cant afford that much time sitting. It's good efficiency to reduce time just sitting on the ground.

Spirit used to run some crazy times on plattsburgh to fll. Before the border closure those flights were packed. They had some insane times too. Landing at like 1am and departing at like 252am. The ulcc crowd will still use it. You get the most vacation time out of a late flight out of mco and an an early departure. Lots of people who dont travel often will gravitate and love those times on paper. Sounds ideal for maximizing vacation time (again not frequent flyers is their key demo).

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

WNflyer1523 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

Slow season
Start-ups in new markets often start slowly
Lack of local name recognition and what there is was not great in recent press
People need time to change habits

Other airlines at MHT are running over 90% loads so I agree with the reply saying to give it some time. I'm sure the upcoming winter, holiday period and then school break seasons will drive loads upward. Once that is done, recognition will be there.

Agreed with this post. I'm sure they'll make it work.

If only that MCO flight didn't arrive in after midnight. Not a good choice for families with little kids.

ULCC customers will fly regardless of times IF the price is right.

Spirit cant afford that much time sitting. It's good efficiency to reduce time just sitting on the ground.

Spirit used to run some crazy times on plattsburgh to Florida. I think also from Niagara Falls and maybe ewr. Before the border closure those flights were packed. They had some insane times too. For plattsburgh it was Landing at like 1am and departing at like 252am. Landing at 6am in Florida. The ulcc crowd will still use it. Those flights were all kids. You get the most vacation time out of a late flight out of mco and an an early departure. Lots of people who dont travel often will gravitate and love those times on paper. Sounds ideal for maximizing vacation time (again not frequent flyers infrequent flyers is their key demo). We all avoid but lots of people want those times

airbazar wrote:

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

WNflyer1523 wrote:

Agreed with this post. I'm sure they'll make it work.

If only that MCO flight didn't arrive in after midnight. Not a good choice for families with little kids.

ULCC customers will fly regardless of times IF the price is right.

Spirit cant afford that much time sitting. It's good efficiency to reduce time just sitting on the ground.

Spirit used to run some crazy times on plattsburgh to Florida. I think also from Niagara Falls and maybe ewr. Before the border closure those flights were packed. They had some insane times too. For plattsburgh it was Landing at like 1am and departing at like 252am. Landing at 6am in Florida. The ulcc crowd will still use it. Those flights were all kids. You get the most vacation time out of a late flight out of mco and an an early departure. Lots of people who dont travel often will gravitate and love those times on paper. Sounds ideal for maximizing vacation time (again not frequent flyers infrequent flyers is their key demo). We all avoid but lots of people want those times

And are they flying from Plattsburgh today? What about Niagara Falls? The majority of those passengers were driving down from Canada, that's why.
What kind of competition did they have in those cities? Nothing even remotely close to what they have at MHT, let alone from BOS.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

Those cities dont work because the border is too hard to navigate. I bet they come back in a few years they made money. The point is ULCC will deal with hours that seasoned travelers won't touch. The hours are not spirits problem if they fail.

You dont need to worry. Pre covid spirilt has said they only fly routes that make money. If the route fails and shows no signs of a correction, spirit will leave. They dont fly routes just for the network or frequent flyers or anything like that. A route either works or they leave it

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

ULCC customers will fly regardless of times IF the price is right.

Spirit cant afford that much time sitting. It's good efficiency to reduce time just sitting on the ground.

Spirit used to run some crazy times on plattsburgh to Florida. I think also from Niagara Falls and maybe ewr. Before the border closure those flights were packed. They had some insane times too. For plattsburgh it was Landing at like 1am and departing at like 252am. Landing at 6am in Florida. The ulcc crowd will still use it. Those flights were all kids. You get the most vacation time out of a late flight out of mco and an an early departure. Lots of people who dont travel often will gravitate and love those times on paper. Sounds ideal for maximizing vacation time (again not frequent flyers infrequent flyers is their key demo). We all avoid but lots of people want those times

And are they flying from Plattsburgh today? What about Niagara Falls? The majority of those passengers were driving down from Canada, that's why.
What kind of competition did they have in those cities? Nothing even remotely close to what they have at MHT, let alone from BOS.

Those cities dont work because the border is too hard to navigate. I bet they come back in a few years they made money. The point is ULCC will deal with hours that seasoned travelers won't touch. The hours are not spirits problem if they fail.

You dont need to worry. Pre covid spirilt has said they only fly routes that make money. If the route fails and shows no signs of a correction, spirit will leave. They dont fly routes just for the network or frequent flyers or anything like that. A route either works or they leave it

737Jason wrote:

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

And are they flying from Plattsburgh today? What about Niagara Falls? The majority of those passengers were driving down from Canada, that's why.
What kind of competition did they have in those cities? Nothing even remotely close to what they have at MHT, let alone from BOS.

Those cities dont work because the border is too hard to navigate. I bet they come back in a few years they made money. The point is ULCC will deal with hours that seasoned travelers won't touch. The hours are not spirits problem if they fail.

You dont need to worry. Pre covid spirilt has said they only fly routes that make money. If the route fails and shows no signs of a correction, spirit will leave. They dont fly routes just for the network or frequent flyers or anything like that. A route either works or they leave it

The plane only has 50 passengers, so I would assume they would not be making a profit. So, what makes them want to stay at MHT?

airlineworker wrote:

Avelo first HVN flight. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article ... 588463.php

CairnterriAIR wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Avelo first HVN flight. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article ... 588463.php

Apparently the first bunch of flights have gone out full or nearly full, and future bookings are very heavy. I was going to try the PBI flight in Feb, but it was sold out the day I wanted to go, Ended up getting a good price on Southwest out of BDL though.

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Avelo first HVN flight. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article ... 588463.php

Apparently the first bunch of flights have gone out full or nearly full, and future bookings are very heavy. I was going to try the PBI flight in Feb, but it was sold out the day I wanted to go, Ended up getting a good price on Southwest out of BDL though.

Flew MCO-HVN on Saturday. Had 50ish people on it. Hopefully it picks up around the holidays!

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

Apparently the first bunch of flights have gone out full or nearly full, and future bookings are very heavy. I was going to try the PBI flight in Feb, but it was sold out the day I wanted to go, Ended up getting a good price on Southwest out of BDL though.

Flew MCO-HVN on Saturday. Had 50ish people on it. Hopefully it picks up around the holidays!

How is getting through the airport? Parking? TSA. I flew out of HVN years ago and check in was brutal. Long lines...737 to Chicago and two turboprops departing close together.

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

Flew MCO-HVN on Saturday. Had 50ish people on it. Hopefully it picks up around the holidays!

How is getting through the airport? Parking? TSA. I flew out of HVN years ago and check in was brutal. Long lines...737 to Chicago and two turboprops departing close together.

The terminal is pretty bare-bones. It’s basically a white box. And your only transportation option is Uber or a Taxi. I didn’t fly back out of HVN, so not sure on the parking or TSA. The building we arrived into didn’t have TSA in it, just baggage claim. But overall it’s a neat little airport. You can tell they are ready to ramp up ops. Lots of Avelo employees there.

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

How is getting through the airport? Parking? TSA. I flew out of HVN years ago and check in was brutal. Long lines...737 to Chicago and two turboprops departing close together.

The terminal is pretty bare-bones. It’s basically a white box. And your only transportation option is Uber or a Taxi. I didn’t fly back out of HVN, so not sure on the parking or TSA. The building we arrived into didn’t have TSA in it, just baggage claim. But overall it’s a neat little airport. You can tell they are ready to ramp up ops. Lots of Avelo employees there.

The airport is embarking on a large expansion, complete with a new terminal in the opposite side of the field. It will never be a BDL, but it will indeed catch passengers with better infrastructure. Keep in mind these flights have probably been marketed more for people leaving HVN and going south at this point, so it will take a bit for the north bounds to fill....up here people are jumping all over the service.

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

Flew MCO-HVN on Saturday. Had 50ish people on it. Hopefully it picks up around the holidays!

How is getting through the airport? Parking? TSA. I flew out of HVN years ago and check in was brutal. Long lines...737 to Chicago and two turboprops departing close together.

The terminal is pretty bare-bones. It’s basically a white box. And your only transportation option is Uber or a Taxi. I didn’t fly back out of HVN, so not sure on the parking or TSA. The building we arrived into didn’t have TSA in it, just baggage claim. But overall it’s a neat little airport. You can tell they are ready to ramp up ops. Lots of Avelo employees there.

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

How is getting through the airport? Parking? TSA. I flew out of HVN years ago and check in was brutal. Long lines...737 to Chicago and two turboprops departing close together.

The terminal is pretty bare-bones. It’s basically a white box. And your only transportation option is Uber or a Taxi. I didn’t fly back out of HVN, so not sure on the parking or TSA. The building we arrived into didn’t have TSA in it, just baggage claim. But overall it’s a neat little airport. You can tell they are ready to ramp up ops. Lots of Avelo employees there.

The airport is embarking on a large expansion, complete with a new terminal in the opposite side of the field. It will never be a BDL, but it will indeed catch passengers with better infrastructure.

airlineworker wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

That's the beauty part of HVN in that it will never be a BDL. If HVN can get UA to ORD and DL to ATL, that would go a long way for area flyers to eliminate BDL. 27% of BDL flyers are from the metro New Haven area. As far as international flights New Haven and Bridgeport are close to the best international airport on the east coast, JFK. New London-Groton flyers have BOS Logan. I feel either UA or DL will commit to HVN next year. I have flown from HVN for years, it's hassle free, a few miles from the city center and minutes away from I-95 and I-91. While in New Haven, gotta go to Wooster Street for the best Napoli Italian pizza, wood and coal fired ovens make the best thin crust pizza's.

uconn99 wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

Where are you finding 27% of BDL passengers are from the New Haven metro?

airlineworker wrote:

uconn99 wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Where are you finding 27% of BDL passengers are from the New Haven metro?

I am trying to find the site that had a breakdown of BDL's passenger numbers by counties.

CairnterriAIR wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

uconn99 wrote:

Where are you finding 27% of BDL passengers are from the New Haven metro?

I am trying to find the site that had a breakdown of BDL's passenger numbers by counties.

27% seems like a large number. If anything most HVN area pax would otherwise use HPN or the NYC airports rather than BDL. The cutoff would probably be around Wallingford.

FLYKTPA wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Avelo first HVN flight. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article ... 588463.php

Apparently the first bunch of flights have gone out full or nearly full, and future bookings are very heavy. I was going to try the PBI flight in Feb, but it was sold out the day I wanted to go, Ended up getting a good price on Southwest out of BDL though.

Flew MCO-HVN on Saturday. Had 50ish people on it. Hopefully it picks up around the holidays!

PVD523 wrote:

DL making some moves to be a larger player at PVD. Up to 3x daily PVD-LGA starts January 5. Two of the three DTW flights transfer to mainline metal as well. After reinstating the seasonal MSP service last year, it's nice to see some life from them after keeping essentially the same schedule for the last 10+ years.

lat41 wrote:

PVD523 wrote:

DL making some moves to be a larger player at PVD. Up to 3x daily PVD-LGA starts January 5. Two of the three DTW flights transfer to mainline metal as well. After reinstating the seasonal MSP service last year, it's nice to see some life from them after keeping essentially the same schedule for the last 10+ years.

PVD LGA may make a dent in the Acela and hired car travel besides offering Ohio Valley and other DL destinations East of DTW and North of ATL unreachable on their system now

BTVB6Flyer wrote:

DL responds to SY and adds some NE markets to MSP:

Portland International Jetport (PWM) daily using an Airbus A320

* Providence’s T.F. Green International Airport (PVD) daily using an Airbus A320

* Burlington International Airport (BTV) three times per week using an Airbus A320

https://simpleflying.com/delta-minneapolis-sun-country/

Portlander wrote:

Actually, LGA is not one of the top destinations out of PWM and failed to make the top ten from July 2020-July 2021. Newark (8) was the only NYC area airport to make the list, Baltimore, Charlotte, Chicago were the top three with Atlanta coming in at seven which surprised me. Are you counting the Cape Air puddle jumpers that stop in BOS before making their way to LGA as service from PWM, or is there going to be direct E190 flights that I haven't heard about?

pwm2txlhopper wrote:

Apparently, iit looks like AA has announced its cutting LGA-PWM and BGR in their announcement they were cutting 27 routes. Was kind of surprised at this as LGA is one of the tops destinations out of PWM.

I seem to recall when it was still USairways, they also cut LGA-PWM before brining it back. Why I don’t travel to NYC, I do welcome JetBlue start LGA-PWM next summer. Much.conveniently for getting to NYC than flying to JFK. Hopefully fares to LGA will be cheap, as you can often flyi to JFK with them out of PWM for about $70 each way. Just a bit more than the buss.

‘American Cuts routes of of JFK/ LGA’

https://onemileatatime.com/news/america ... rk-routes/

VS4ever wrote:

So one for Uconn99 here (I wish you could tag people, but oh well). Enjoy. My next shot, now i have the format will be PVD, but these take a while as the downloads for the data are limited to month by month.

Below are the On time Performance Stats for BDL from 2018 to Aug 2021. The file I used only goes back that far, because it's the one that has the regional data as well as the mainline breakout, so you can see exactly what's going on. There's Month, QTD, YTD and Annual data along with route data. Also some fun facts, like how many tails show up for a particular airline (at least of those recorded). What's the worst route for delays, and what's the worst time of day (only available at group level due to complexity)

Calculations completed for AA, B6, DL, F9, NK, UA and WN.


DL - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

NK - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

UA - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

F9 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

AA - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

WN - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

B6 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true

uconn99 wrote:

VS4ever wrote:

So one for Uconn99 here (I wish you could tag people, but oh well). Enjoy. My next shot, now i have the format will be PVD, but these take a while as the downloads for the data are limited to month by month.

Below are the On time Performance Stats for BDL from 2018 to Aug 2021. The file I used only goes back that far, because it's the one that has the regional data as well as the mainline breakout, so you can see exactly what's going on. There's Month, QTD, YTD and Annual data along with route data. Also some fun facts, like how many tails show up for a particular airline (at least of those recorded). What's the worst route for delays, and what's the worst time of day (only available at group level due to complexity)

Calculations completed for AA, B6, DL, F9, NK, UA and WN.


DL - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

NK - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

UA - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

F9 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

AA - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

WN - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true,

B6 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true

Sweet, good work man!

airlineworker wrote:

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK. 1-5-2022 Good way to kill the service. Fly to an airport with fewer connections.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/ ... jfk-philly

VS4ever wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK. 1-5-2022 Good way to kill the service. Fly to an airport with fewer connections.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/ ... jfk-philly

Except they are hooking it into the NEA, so not that crazy considering

BitFly wrote:

VS4ever wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK. 1-5-2022 Good way to kill the service. Fly to an airport with fewer connections.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/ ... jfk-philly

Except they are hooking it into the NEA, so not that crazy considering

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK makes perfect sense, as this is part of the NEA, which will allow JetBlue and AA to connect all their flights out of JFK. A lot more options for fliers out of ORH.
This switch will also allow JetBlue to add non-stop ORH-MCO flights very soon.
Good way to kill the service was if AA kept ORH-PHL with a horrible schedule, which was basically a dead end flight with no connection options for anyone flying out of ORH.

BitFly wrote:

VS4ever wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK. 1-5-2022 Good way to kill the service. Fly to an airport with fewer connections.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/ ... jfk-philly

Except they are hooking it into the NEA, so not that crazy considering

AA switching ORH-PHL to ORH-JFK makes perfect sense, as this is part of the NEA, which will allow JetBlue and AA to connect all their flights out of JFK. A lot more options for fliers out of ORH.
This switch will also allow JetBlue to add non-stop ORH-MCO flights very soon.
Good way to kill the service was if AA kept ORH-PHL with a horrible schedule, which was basically a dead end flight with no connection options for anyone flying out of ORH.

BitFly wrote:

The JFK flights are a move on the right direction for ORH, connecting people to a variety of destinations. Coming January, there will be a total of four New York flight options between all three air lines, which will make a little more attractive for ORH. I agree with the Lounge situation between JFK T5 and T8, but I'm sure that B6 and AA will have something worked out soon regarding JFK lounges between both terminals.

What might happen next year is JetBlue adding non-stop ORH-MCO and most likely reducing to one flight a day to JFK, having AA compliment JFK with their daily flight thru the NEA agreement. So by fall ORH will be servicing most likely 3 daily New York flights (1x B6, AA, Delta), Fort Lauderdale and Orlando non-stop.

bdlflyer wrote:

Beginning February 2022, Frontier will offer seasonal service from BDL to CUN and SJU. Flights will operate three times a week.
https://bradleyairport.com/2021/11/30/e ... an-juan-2/