The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

EFA2014 · Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:10 pm

Portlander wrote:
The latest information I have received places the FIS in the "hidden" space across from Gate 5, where it was completely built out for Customs but never had the opportunity to be utilized just prior to 9/11. The TSA then arrived and gutted everything and turned the area into their current offices where I was actually working at the time. It appears that the TSA has signed off and will move to the upper level mechanical offices/former restaurant on the far eastern part of the terminal to accommodate the FIS. The jetport is waiting for funding to commence this project and is optimistic it will come through in the near future.

As much as I was hoping that the terminal would be physically extended beyond Gate 11, it appears that the two new jetways will be connected to an elevated enclosed walkway similar to Gate 1. This approach is becoming more common with airports in order to save money and it has been determined that there is ample passenger holding space at that end of the concourse. The apron has already been fortified and painted and once the funds are available the transition should be effortless. When completed, it will give PWM 12 jetways for larger aircraft and 2 additional smaller loading bridges (Gate 1A/B) for regional jets.

Hope that answers your questions and I'll give any updates as they come along.

Thank you so much for the update! Im from Maine and visit frequently, especially in and out of the Jetport. So good to hear of the expansion!

Portlander · Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:51 pm

A quick follow up to your question EFA2014. The PWM master plan does have Gate 1 being expanded to the east and the current regional loading bridges being replaced with a single jetway to accommodate larger aircraft for United. I think this was to happen in FY22 but with COVID all projects are obviously pushed back.

EricBTV · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:09 pm

As a heads up for the BTV folks, the Beta Technologies Alia-250 prototype has been doing a lot of flying this week. With the upcoming closure of PBG for runway construction, I'm assuming it will be based at BTV for a while. At least this week the flying has been early in the morning, and there's always a helicopter following it which helps to spot it as it's super quiet. It can also be tracked, but only once airborne, it seems.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N250UT

BTVB6Flyer · Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:36 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Has BTV ever had a flight to Fort Lauderdale?

No, when B6 served BTV-MCO, it was always the 'next' route we all talked about about, but never materialized. Once B6 left the MCO route, FLL was pretty much out. Then we talked about AA adding MIA pre-COVID

ExMilitaryEng · Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:57 pm

Too bad, I would have flown B6 to FLL for sure.

FWIW, I discovered BTV a while ago, flying with PeopleExpress...

We where so many Montrealers flying with PE that they started YMX - EWR! I recall paying US$112.00 total for a return ticket to LAX from Mirabel!
(Ok, old stories here)

cs03 · Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:45 pm

More history--6/83 EWR/BTV People Express-$19.00
11/83 BTV/LGA Air Florida $44.00

cs03 · Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:05 pm

Looking at EF for 8/1/21 There is BTV-BOS/PSM/BED on O2 (Jet Air) using CN1. Scheduled charter?

slcdeltarumd11 · Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:29 pm

The legacies financially it does make sense to have you connect thru CLT, IAD, DCA, PHL all are on the way and offer options to lots of smaller florida airports. I think it would take an airline like southwest or allegiant or frontier to start more florida N/S. I mean if there was ever a chance of landing an o&d leisure route it's now, I woudlnt say its zero

B595 · Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:39 pm

cs03 wrote:
More history--6/83 EWR/BTV People Express-$19.00
11/83 BTV/LGA Air Florida $44.00

Until your comment, I never would have guessed that Air Florida served BTV (however briefly). But sure enough, here it is in the January 1984 route map:
http://www.departedflights.com/QH011584.html
Would be curious if anyone knows the aircraft type that was used. 737? Or L188? Or was it an affiliated commuter, not mainline Air Florida?

cs03 · Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:49 pm

Air Florida--It was a 737-200 mainline BTV/LGA and on to PBI.

slcdeltarumd11 · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:58 pm

AA is gonna fly DFW-BTV/BGR this summer.

BTVB6Flyer · Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:49 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
AA is gonna fly DFW-BTV/BGR this summer.

Honestly shocked to see DFW before MIA from AA.

Anyone know the frequency or aircraft yet?

slcdeltarumd11 · Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:41 pm

DFW provides way better connections and I don't think the btv/BGR crowd is going to miami and vice versa. Other cities in florida, yes, but not miami.
DFW allows alot of one stops to cities that are hard to get to on AA. COS, GJT, SNA, DRO, JAC, EGE, BZN, ABQ, SAF there will be alot of cities this opens up. Look at vermonters colorado how many people in the summer go to Colorado for vacations or to visit friends who have moved out there. DFW is all about connections. Miami does caribbean connections but this is for summer

Portlander · Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:53 pm

American is also providing Saturday service from BGR to MIA starting at the end of June through Labor day.

Cboyle · Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:27 pm

With the many recent adds from PWM from airlines, is B6 adding MCO/FLL/LAX possible?

RL757PVD · Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:33 pm

Cboyle wrote:
With the many recent adds from PWM from airlines, is B6 adding MCO/FLL/LAX possible?

I would think B6 staying year-round would be the first step.

Nationwide I think a lot of the Florida service is not at sustainable levels, its a miserable place to go in the summer. My guess is for New England is that anyone who wanted to go to Florida, already has and they wont be going back in the summer, when outdoor weather is ideal.

MCO/FLL would be a nice way for B6 to remain in PWM year round though if they were to start those in the fall.

Ishrion · Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:39 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Has BTV ever had a flight to Fort Lauderdale?

No, when B6 served BTV-MCO, it was always the 'next' route we all talked about about, but never materialized. Once B6 left the MCO route, FLL was pretty much out. Then we talked about AA adding MIA pre-COVID

B595 wrote:
Not that I can recall. B6 flew to MCO and G4 to SFB. Historically, I don’t think there were any nonstop Florida flights prior to those. But I’m happy to be corrected.

Thanks. I was asking because Sun Country temporarily listed BTV as a destination with flights to FLL, but it wasn't available for booking.

They removed BTV this morning, so it was either an error or it's something to look out for.

tphuang · Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:40 pm

The most logical add to PWM for JetBlue is summer seasonal to EWR. They do really well to JFK in the summer time. It's on par with ACK/MVY. The next step is probably for them to restore JFK-PWM year round on a lower frequency. If they decide to build up RDU, I can see RDU-PWM down the road.

BTVB6Flyer · Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Ishrion wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Has BTV ever had a flight to Fort Lauderdale?

No, when B6 served BTV-MCO, it was always the 'next' route we all talked about about, but never materialized. Once B6 left the MCO route, FLL was pretty much out. Then we talked about AA adding MIA pre-COVID

B595 wrote:
Not that I can recall. B6 flew to MCO and G4 to SFB. Historically, I don’t think there were any nonstop Florida flights prior to those. But I’m happy to be corrected.

Thanks. I was asking because Sun Country temporarily listed BTV as a destination with flights to FLL, but it wasn't available for booking.

They removed BTV this morning, so it was either an error or it's something to look out for.

Interesting, BTV-FLL on SY would be an odd-ball route for them. Not that I don't see something like that happening, but would come out of left field. Could be a charter, that got mixed in somehow? If anyone is going to fly BTV-SoFL I would bet F9 would be first, doing BTV-MIA

BTVB6Flyer · Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:17 pm

BTV-DFW Schedule. Doesn't leave a lot of opportunities for connections out of DFW

Depart DFW: 12:40 p.m. Arrive BTV: 5:25 p.m.
Depart BTV: 6:05 p.m. Arrive DFW: 9:14 p.m.
Frequency: Saturday
Aircraft: Embraer 175 Service
Start: July 3, 2021 through November 6, 2021
Seasonal

mjgbtv · Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:54 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
BTV-DFW Schedule. Doesn't leave a lot of opportunities for connections out of DFW

Depart DFW: 12:40 p.m. Arrive BTV: 5:25 p.m.
Depart BTV: 6:05 p.m. Arrive DFW: 9:14 p.m.
Frequency: Saturday
Aircraft: Embraer 175 Service
Start: July 3, 2021 through November 6, 2021
Seasonal

This might be more about people coming to VT to visit. That fits with the trend for this summer.

Fex180 · Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:13 am

AA is also adding Saturday BGR to DFW and MIA.

MIA Starts in late June And runs through Labor Day. DFW starts in August and runs through Nov. 6th

mjgbtv · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:35 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:

No, when B6 served BTV-MCO, it was always the 'next' route we all talked about about, but never materialized. Once B6 left the MCO route, FLL was pretty much out. Then we talked about AA adding MIA pre-COVID

B595 wrote:
Not that I can recall. B6 flew to MCO and G4 to SFB. Historically, I don’t think there were any nonstop Florida flights prior to those. But I’m happy to be corrected.

Thanks. I was asking because Sun Country temporarily listed BTV as a destination with flights to FLL, but it wasn't available for booking.

They removed BTV this morning, so it was either an error or it's something to look out for.

Interesting, BTV-FLL on SY would be an odd-ball route for them. Not that I don't see something like that happening, but would come out of left field. Could be a charter, that got mixed in somehow? If anyone is going to fly BTV-SoFL I would bet F9 would be first, doing BTV-MIA

Coincidence or not SY8652 is currently inbound from FLL to BTV. SY has been flying a few military charters from BTV over the past months, but neither FLL-BTV or BTV-MSP (the next leg) seems to be a likely military move. Could be a charter of another sort, but I don't know who it would be for. It seems late in the year to be college sports.

Portlander · Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:53 pm

Hopper media has just listed Portland, ME as the top searched travel destination in the country for the upcoming summer season. Kalispell MT, Orlando FL, Long Beach CA and Hilton Head SC round out the top 5.

RJNUT · Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:05 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
BTV-DFW Schedule. Doesn't leave a lot of opportunities for connections out of DFW

Depart DFW: 12:40 p.m. Arrive BTV: 5:25 p.m.
Depart BTV: 6:05 p.m. Arrive DFW: 9:14 p.m.
Frequency: Saturday
Aircraft: Embraer 175 Service
Start: July 3, 2021 through November 6, 2021
Seasonal

there is a considerable west coast, intermountain and ArKLaTex bank of flights at 1045pm-ish that would capture a lot of traffic

B595 · Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:26 pm

mjgbtv wrote:
Coincidence or not SY8652 is currently inbound from FLL to BTV. SY has been flying a few military charters from BTV over the past months, but neither FLL-BTV or BTV-MSP (the next leg) seems to be a likely military move. Could be a charter of another sort, but I don't know who it would be for. It seems late in the year to be college sports.

The flight number would suggest a charter of some sort.

Also interesting today is the UA A320 from IAD. Another charter? Or are they are going to do 1x/week IAD-BTV over the summer? Don't have time to dig through the schedules.

EricBTV · Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:07 pm

From what I've seen on FlightAware and their website, United is currently operating IAD-BTV roughly 1-2x daily. I've also noticed that today and another time or two recently that the Friday night arrival and Saturday morning departure was ungauged to an A320. Can't say why though. Maybe extra cargo for BTV, vaccines perhaps? That's purely a guess.

B595 wrote:
mjgbtv wrote:
Coincidence or not SY8652 is currently inbound from FLL to BTV. SY has been flying a few military charters from BTV over the past months, but neither FLL-BTV or BTV-MSP (the next leg) seems to be a likely military move. Could be a charter of another sort, but I don't know who it would be for. It seems late in the year to be college sports.

The flight number would suggest a charter of some sort.

Also interesting today is the UA A320 from IAD. Another charter? Or are they are going to do 1x/week IAD-BTV over the summer? Don't have time to dig through the schedules.

MIflyer12 · Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:38 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
With the many recent adds from PWM from airlines, is B6 adding MCO/FLL/LAX possible?

I would think B6 staying year-round would be the first step.

Nationwide I think a lot of the Florida service is not at sustainable levels, its a miserable place to go in the summer.

Maybe so, but kids are out of school in the summer and that makes Florida popular for families. June and July are bigger months than Sep/Oct/Nov. June is about the size of January. See state visitor stats.

B595 · Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:48 pm

EricBTV wrote:
From what I've seen on FlightAware and their website, United is currently operating IAD-BTV roughly 1-2x daily. I've also noticed that today and another time or two recently that the Friday night arrival and Saturday morning departure was ungauged to an A320. Can't say why though. Maybe extra cargo for BTV, vaccines perhaps? That's purely a guess.

Ok, so the A320 seems to be a substitution. Interesting nonetheless - it’s the first mainline on IAD-BTV that I can recall since UA flew 737-200s during the 1990s (?) (not sure about when that was, but it was decades ago).

cs03 · Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:08 pm

UA had three daily services on 737-200 IAD/BTV late 1989. Checking schedules in 1991 and 1995 that service was flown by J41.

BTVB6Flyer · Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:19 pm

I believe UA ran some 737-800's and maybe A319 here and there to IAD at the peak of 2019, when we were seeing mainline AC to ATL, DEN, ORD, EWR, IAD, CLT, and PHL

B595 · Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:45 am

You might well be right. I remember that unusual period of scheduling by UA, now that you mention it. I think there was even the occasional -900 in the mix.

mjgbtv · Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:45 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
I believe UA ran some 737-800's and maybe A319 here and there to IAD at the peak of 2019, when we were seeing mainline AC to ATL, DEN, ORD, EWR, IAD, CLT, and PHL

Has US/AA really flown mainline BTV-CLT? My impression was that they remained steadfastly RJ even when UA did their mainline 'experiment' a couple of years ago. The only exception that I recall was the E-190 to PHL for a few fairly short periods.

EricBTV · Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:53 pm

They did. I have a picture from Thanksgiving 2018 with two mainline UA aircraft in the morning rush to IAD and ORD, and a DL 737 was also operating the ATL flight that day. I had a couple mainline flights to ORD that following year as well which was really nice.

I'm also not sure if the CLT route has been anything larger than a CR9. Frankly, I'm not sure US/AA has flown any B or A aircraft to BTV since the extension of the North Concourse. I think the E90 is the biggest aircraft they've brought here in quite some time.

Looking back through some pics again, when they redid the concrete at Gate 4 in 2019 there were new markings for E90 and A320/A321 but I've yet to see more than a CR9 at that gate. Part of me wants to say they repainted different markings, but I'm not completely certain.

mjgbtv wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
I believe UA ran some 737-800's and maybe A319 here and there to IAD at the peak of 2019, when we were seeing mainline AC to ATL, DEN, ORD, EWR, IAD, CLT, and PHL

Has US/AA really flown mainline BTV-CLT? My impression was that they remained steadfastly RJ even when UA did their mainline 'experiment' a couple of years ago. The only exception that I recall was the E-190 to PHL for a few fairly short periods.

B595 · Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:38 am

EricBTV wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure US/AA has flown any B or A aircraft to BTV since the extension of the North Concourse. I think the E90 is the biggest aircraft they've brought here in quite some time.

The last regularly scheduled US/AA mainline that was not an E190 that I can remember was 1x/day PHL-BTV on the A319, but as you say that was years ago. Talking 2010 or maybe even before that.

BTVB6Flyer · Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:00 pm

mjgbtv wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
I believe UA ran some 737-800's and maybe A319 here and there to IAD at the peak of 2019, when we were seeing mainline AC to ATL, DEN, ORD, EWR, IAD, CLT, and PHL

Has US/AA really flown mainline BTV-CLT? My impression was that they remained steadfastly RJ even when UA did their mainline 'experiment' a couple of years ago. The only exception that I recall was the E-190 to PHL for a few fairly short periods.

I thought I remember seeing a 190 on the route a couple of times, but could be confusing it with PHL which I think at its peak, saw 2x AA 190's.

As another poster pointed out, we haven't add a Airbus or Boeing AC from AA in a long time. Couldn't even give us a token A319 on the DFW route haha

slcdeltarumd11 · Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:17 pm

AA has had Embs to DCA and PHL pre pandemic regularly scheduled. CLT has only had CR9/CR7 scheduled service for long stretches since it started. Has never had any other planes.

paysonmt77 · Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:11 pm

Jetblue is going to serve PWM-LGA in 2022 as part of a expansion out of LGA.

Portlander · Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:00 pm

Do you think that will replace summer service to JFK or will JetBlue serve both airports from PWM?

RL757PVD · Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:11 pm

Portlander wrote:
Do you think that will replace summer service to JFK or will JetBlue serve both airports from PWM?

I assume B6 will serve both, however this will replace AA's PWM-LGA flights

tphuang · Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:21 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
Portlander wrote:
Do you think that will replace summer service to JFK or will JetBlue serve both airports from PWM?

I assume B6 will serve both, however this will replace AA's PWM-LGA flights

i'm really surprised EWR-PWM didn't get added, but LGA-PWM did. Maybe JFK-PWM will be back to year round.

mjgbtv · Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:02 pm

tphuang wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
Portlander wrote:
Do you think that will replace summer service to JFK or will JetBlue serve both airports from PWM?

I assume B6 will serve both, however this will replace AA's PWM-LGA flights

i'm really surprised EWR-PWM didn't get added, but LGA-PWM did. Maybe JFK-PWM will be back to year round.

When it comes to winter I don't think anything has fundamentally changed in Maine from when they ended year-round service. I think it's more about local people going somewhere warm than visitors coming to Maine. If they really want to do something for PWM year-round maybe they should try direct flights to Florida or else offer connections through somewhere with more reliable weather over the winter. I think you mentioned RDU on the JetBlue thread, which would probably work well (and for BTV also)

Jetport · Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:48 pm

paysonmt77 wrote:
Jetblue is going to serve PWM-LGA in 2022 as part of a expansion out of LGA.

It would take years of reliable year round service to get me to fly JetBlue regularly out of PWM. After B6 dumped Portland last time I cant imagine any PWM based frequent flyer choosing them again as a primary airline, no matter how much seasonal service they add.

119297 · Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:59 pm

according to AA.com, AA will offer a 4th ORD-PWM on Saturdays starting Jun 5th with 3 175's and 1 A319. Sundays will have 4X 175s PWM-ORD.

airbazar · Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:51 pm

Jetport wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Jetblue is going to serve PWM-LGA in 2022 as part of a expansion out of LGA.

It would take years of reliable year round service to get me to fly JetBlue regularly out of PWM. After B6 dumped Portland last time I cant imagine any PWM based frequent flyer choosing them again as a primary airline, no matter how much seasonal service they add.

The difference now being that you have to think of it as AA/B6 and not just B6.

SCHATC422 · Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:45 pm

I was informed yesterday by an undisclosed source that BDL is getting ready for another new airline announcement. When I asked who, I was informed they currently have a NDA and when it will be announced, I was told “should be very soon to be honest”. My guess is Breeze….

Thoughts?

Cboyle · Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:53 pm

SCHATC422 wrote:
I was informed yesterday by an undisclosed source that BDL is getting ready for another new airline announcement. When I asked who, I was informed they currently have a NDA and when it will be announced, I was told “should be very soon to be honest”. My guess is Breeze….

Thoughts?

Yeah breeze. Looks like they are hiring at BDL and PVD...

SCHATC422 · Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:26 pm

Cboyle wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
I was informed yesterday by an undisclosed source that BDL is getting ready for another new airline announcement. When I asked who, I was informed they currently have a NDA and when it will be announced, I was told “should be very soon to be honest”. My guess is Breeze….

Thoughts?

Yeah breeze. Looks like they are hiring at BDL and PVD...

Source?

slcdeltarumd11 · Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:08 pm

Portlander wrote:
Hopper media has just listed Portland, ME as the top searched travel destination in the country for the upcoming summer season. Kalispell MT, Orlando FL, Long Beach CA and Hilton Head SC round out the top 5.

Do you have a link? Maybe the highest Increased or something?? The average person hasnt even heard of long beach or kalispell to know how search for it over las vegas or miami. I can't Imagine any world long beach or portland are the more searched travel destinations over Vegas or Denver or San Diego etc.

Portlander · Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:20 pm

https://media.hopper.com/research/leisu ... d-airlines

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