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sparky35805 wrote:TUI 788 OO-JDL came in to HSV from BRU on 12-21-2020 and returned to BRU the next day.Anyone know what it was doing here (HSV)?
ATLgaUSA wrote:Breeze is the biggest opportunity to capture the 20-25% leakage to Atlanta. Mainline to DFW and CLT seem possible. I’ve also flown the early out late back Miami flights on the E-175s that were full, but it’ll be a while before BHM sees mainline to Miami, I think.
ATLgaUSA wrote:Breeze is the biggest opportunity to capture the 20-25% leakage to Atlanta. Mainline to DFW and CLT seem possible. I’ve also flown the early out late back Miami flights on the E-175s that were full, but it’ll be a while before BHM sees mainline to Miami, I think.
MILakes wrote:But who knows- with the continued growth and economic diversity of the HSV metro region it may not be far off. 2x daily to HOU, MDW, BWI would be nice!
TYSflyer wrote:I actually think HSV has a decent chance to land WN. It is clearly an underserved market. I realize WN has primarily been adding vacation destinations, but they did recently announce JAN so they are not completely opposed to traditional markets. Outside of the big 3, HSV has little other service besides the token Silver and F9 flights. HSV does not get much love on this forum like some of its similar sized peers, but IMO, I think it could function well as a small WN station.
gdavis003 wrote:Thoughts and hopes for 2021? I also hope to see some wheels begin to turn on moving service in Mobile to BFM.
TYSflyer wrote:I actually think HSV has a decent chance to land WN. It is clearly an underserved market. I realize WN has primarily been adding vacation destinations, but they did recently announce JAN so they are not completely opposed to traditional markets. Outside of the big 3, HSV has little other service besides the token Silver and F9 flights. HSV does not get much love on this forum like some of its similar sized peers, but IMO, I think it could function well as a small WN station.
gdavis003 wrote:One thing that I didn’t think about that could be major for potential BHM-PIT direct service is the acquisition of BBVA by PNC. I don’t think PNC will be eliminating BBVA’s strong framework in BHM, and I suspect PNC will have substantial regional operations in BHM, especially tech related. Who knows, but that could be major when thinking about PIT direct service.
Going off of that, DL adding MSP-BHM is another thought. The Shipt-Target connection is strong, and Shipt continues to grow exponentially in the BHM area. There is O&D along with connecting potential. I’m surprised it didn’t exist pre pandemic, based solely off of connections alone. I do believe it operated about ten years ago though as Northwest, but I don’t think BHM has had direct to MSP since Northwest
Scoots71 wrote:gdavis003 wrote:One thing that I didn’t think about that could be major for potential BHM-PIT direct service is the acquisition of BBVA by PNC. I don’t think PNC will be eliminating BBVA’s strong framework in BHM, and I suspect PNC will have substantial regional operations in BHM, especially tech related. Who knows, but that could be major when thinking about PIT direct service.
Going off of that, DL adding MSP-BHM is another thought. The Shipt-Target connection is strong, and Shipt continues to grow exponentially in the BHM area. There is O&D along with connecting potential. I’m surprised it didn’t exist pre pandemic, based solely off of connections alone. I do believe it operated about ten years ago though as Northwest, but I don’t think BHM has had direct to MSP since Northwest
I've always wondered why DL did not keep BHM-MSP (I guess because of DTW), or why they did not carry BHM-SLC. I feel like they put too much stock into the BHM-ATL crowd, and lose a lot to the other airlines, especially going west of the Mississippi.
ATLgaUSA wrote:Scoots71 wrote:gdavis003 wrote:One thing that I didn’t think about that could be major for potential BHM-PIT direct service is the acquisition of BBVA by PNC. I don’t think PNC will be eliminating BBVA’s strong framework in BHM, and I suspect PNC will have substantial regional operations in BHM, especially tech related. Who knows, but that could be major when thinking about PIT direct service.
Going off of that, DL adding MSP-BHM is another thought. The Shipt-Target connection is strong, and Shipt continues to grow exponentially in the BHM area. There is O&D along with connecting potential. I’m surprised it didn’t exist pre pandemic, based solely off of connections alone. I do believe it operated about ten years ago though as Northwest, but I don’t think BHM has had direct to MSP since Northwest
I've always wondered why DL did not keep BHM-MSP (I guess because of DTW), or why they did not carry BHM-SLC. I feel like they put too much stock into the BHM-ATL crowd, and lose a lot to the other airlines, especially going west of the Mississippi.
DL has operated both MSP and SLC out of BHM. MSP lasted longer than SLC. DL seems content to funnel everyone through ATL (with the exception of LGA and DTW). I'd imagine that is why AA is gaining market share.
gdavis003 wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:Scoots71 wrote:
I've always wondered why DL did not keep BHM-MSP (I guess because of DTW), or why they did not carry BHM-SLC. I feel like they put too much stock into the BHM-ATL crowd, and lose a lot to the other airlines, especially going west of the Mississippi.
DL has operated both MSP and SLC out of BHM. MSP lasted longer than SLC. DL seems content to funnel everyone through ATL (with the exception of LGA and DTW). I'd imagine that is why AA is gaining market share.
I had a slight suspicion that DL might have operated MSP at one point, and that confirms it. I don’t remember SLC though, did they run an E175 on it? They lose a whole lot of ski traffic out of BHM by not operating to SLC, I would think, and ski resorts are hot spots for travel right now. Most people I know going to ski are either connecting in DFW or DEN on UA/WN. I feel like SLC-BHM would work well with an A220, might just need to accumulate more frames before it returns.
I know that the LGA service is primarily O&D driven, but I wonder how much of the DTW is O&D driven. I suspect it’s mostly connection based, and MSP might be more O&D. I can’t fathom them not bringing back MSP service within the next few years and maybe ending DTW.
ATLgaUSA wrote:gdavis003 wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:
DL has operated both MSP and SLC out of BHM. MSP lasted longer than SLC. DL seems content to funnel everyone through ATL (with the exception of LGA and DTW). I'd imagine that is why AA is gaining market share.
I had a slight suspicion that DL might have operated MSP at one point, and that confirms it. I don’t remember SLC though, did they run an E175 on it? They lose a whole lot of ski traffic out of BHM by not operating to SLC, I would think, and ski resorts are hot spots for travel right now. Most people I know going to ski are either connecting in DFW or DEN on UA/WN. I feel like SLC-BHM would work well with an A220, might just need to accumulate more frames before it returns.
I know that the LGA service is primarily O&D driven, but I wonder how much of the DTW is O&D driven. I suspect it’s mostly connection based, and MSP might be more O&D. I can’t fathom them not bringing back MSP service within the next few years and maybe ending DTW.
DTW used to have pretty decent O&D numbers. Not sure if it still does. MSP really isn’t on the way between BHM and any other cities, outside of the Dakotas where I would assume there is little demand from BHM. BHM-PNW is likely shorter backtracking through ATL vs connecting in MSP.
Polot wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:gdavis003 wrote:
I had a slight suspicion that DL might have operated MSP at one point, and that confirms it. I don’t remember SLC though, did they run an E175 on it? They lose a whole lot of ski traffic out of BHM by not operating to SLC, I would think, and ski resorts are hot spots for travel right now. Most people I know going to ski are either connecting in DFW or DEN on UA/WN. I feel like SLC-BHM would work well with an A220, might just need to accumulate more frames before it returns.
I know that the LGA service is primarily O&D driven, but I wonder how much of the DTW is O&D driven. I suspect it’s mostly connection based, and MSP might be more O&D. I can’t fathom them not bringing back MSP service within the next few years and maybe ending DTW.
DTW used to have pretty decent O&D numbers. Not sure if it still does. MSP really isn’t on the way between BHM and any other cities, outside of the Dakotas where I would assume there is little demand from BHM. BHM-PNW is likely shorter backtracking through ATL vs connecting in MSP.
DTW gets decent enough O&D traffic due to the auto industry. Toyota, Hyundai, and especially Honda and Mercedes (and Nissan further away) have plants near the BHM area, and of course use many DTW based suppliers.
gdavis003 wrote:Polot wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:DTW used to have pretty decent O&D numbers. Not sure if it still does. MSP really isn’t on the way between BHM and any other cities, outside of the Dakotas where I would assume there is little demand from BHM. BHM-PNW is likely shorter backtracking through ATL vs connecting in MSP.
DTW gets decent enough O&D traffic due to the auto industry. Toyota, Hyundai, and especially Honda and Mercedes (and Nissan further away) have plants near the BHM area, and of course use many DTW based suppliers.
Very true, the auto industry is certainly strong in the state of AL and is very much expanding. A 5x weekly MSP flight on a CRJ9 could make a lot of sense, similar to preCOVID frequencies on DTW. MSP went away before Target bought Shipt I believe, so I’d be interested to see how it might perform with Shipt/Target traffic. I do wonder when DL decides to resume LGA/DTW. They’re showing March, but they haven’t made the reductions to March schedule so it will likely be suspended longer.
Although I probably wouldn’t fly G4 unless it was a desirable nonstop flight, I’m interested to see if they enter the BHM market in 2021, as the airport authority has discussed it for years and they restructured their debt in July in a way that is certainly favorable for a new player or two to enter the market. I really do think a new carrier will enter BHM this year. Could certainly drive some prices down. Not sure what routes they would add, probably to Florida, but they do like to add obscure routes.
gdavis003 wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:Scoots71 wrote:
I've always wondered why DL did not keep BHM-MSP (I guess because of DTW), or why they did not carry BHM-SLC. I feel like they put too much stock into the BHM-ATL crowd, and lose a lot to the other airlines, especially going west of the Mississippi.
DL has operated both MSP and SLC out of BHM. MSP lasted longer than SLC. DL seems content to funnel everyone through ATL (with the exception of LGA and DTW). I'd imagine that is why AA is gaining market share.
sparky35805 wrote:RAF C-17 was probably here (HSV) hauling helicopters for overhaul and or modifications at one of the facilities we have.We see helicopters from all over the world.
Delta350 wrote:Here’s something to think about. When the World Games come to Birmingham next year will the teams charter planes into BHM or ATL? BHM does have room.
gdavis003 wrote:Delta350 wrote:Here’s something to think about. When the World Games come to Birmingham next year will the teams charter planes into BHM or ATL? BHM does have room.
I would think so. I wouldn't be surprised to see some European countries charter European 737s or A320s with a stop in KEF or somewhere of the like to bring their teams over. Would certainly be a neat sight here, I think BHM will be very busy when the World Games occur
Delta350 wrote:gdavis003 wrote:Delta350 wrote:Here’s something to think about. When the World Games come to Birmingham next year will the teams charter planes into BHM or ATL? BHM does have room.
I would think so. I wouldn't be surprised to see some European countries charter European 737s or A320s with a stop in KEF or somewhere of the like to bring their teams over. Would certainly be a neat sight here, I think BHM will be very busy when the World Games occur
Btw do you or anyone know what countries usually participate in these games?
gdavis003 wrote:BHM-DFW goes back to mainline in the month of March for one of 5-6 daily flights on an Airbus A319. AA662 arrives at 6:34 PM nightly in BHM, and it departs as AA676 at 7:00 AM the next morning. Seems to begin on March 4th. Rest of the flights are all CRJ/ERJ
ATLgaUSA wrote:gdavis003 wrote:BHM-DFW goes back to mainline in the month of March for one of 5-6 daily flights on an Airbus A319. AA662 arrives at 6:34 PM nightly in BHM, and it departs as AA676 at 7:00 AM the next morning. Seems to begin on March 4th. Rest of the flights are all CRJ/ERJ
American did that last March as well. My last flight pre-pandemic was a DFW-BHM flight on the A319. I wonder why they have scheduled it only for March the last two years.
gdavis003 wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:gdavis003 wrote:BHM-DFW goes back to mainline in the month of March for one of 5-6 daily flights on an Airbus A319. AA662 arrives at 6:34 PM nightly in BHM, and it departs as AA676 at 7:00 AM the next morning. Seems to begin on March 4th. Rest of the flights are all CRJ/ERJ
American did that last March as well. My last flight pre-pandemic was a DFW-BHM flight on the A319. I wonder why they have scheduled it only for March the last two years.
I would guess that it is spring break related, although I actually think it was supposed to continue last year after March. They haven't posted the April schedule update yet, but I'll be interested to see if it sticks around.
On the DL end of things, DL is sending a 737-900ER to BHM daily. Don't remember the last time that happened. The two last flights of the day into BHM and first two out of the BHM to ATL in the AM are covered by a 739 and 712 at the moment. All of the rest are on CRJ900s. February tends to be a slow month anyways.
ATLgaUSA wrote:gdavis003 wrote:ATLgaUSA wrote:American did that last March as well. My last flight pre-pandemic was a DFW-BHM flight on the A319. I wonder why they have scheduled it only for March the last two years.
I would guess that it is spring break related, although I actually think it was supposed to continue last year after March. They haven't posted the April schedule update yet, but I'll be interested to see if it sticks around.
On the DL end of things, DL is sending a 737-900ER to BHM daily. Don't remember the last time that happened. The two last flights of the day into BHM and first two out of the BHM to ATL in the AM are covered by a 739 and 712 at the moment. All of the rest are on CRJ900s. February tends to be a slow month anyways.
DL was all MD88s and maybe one or two 737s to ATL last year in March. It’s hard to believe they are down to mainly CR9s now. DL has lost significant market share to AA in BHM during the pandemic. I went from SkyMiles to AAdvantage three years ago because of the nonstop options on AA out of BHM. Still miss the DL service but convenient n/a trump.
southsky wrote:gdavis003 wrote:Thoughts and hopes for 2021? I also hope to see some wheels begin to turn on moving service in Mobile to BFM.
For BFM, the FAA has largely approved the master plan which includes an 8 to 10 gate terminal at the downtown airport. I would imagine the first phases of this would be in place by 2025. As for the current "temporary" terminal at BFM, there has not been much visible movement as of yet (largely due to COVID), but I bet we will see F9 restart there once vaccinations begin to balloon and/or one of the big 3 move there from MOB. Curiously, Delta has BFM also listed for Mobile on their online booking engine already (MOB is separate).
jayrobinson32 wrote:Silver Airways ATR coming in tonight around 5:36pm. Not sure who it is chartering. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIL7 ... /KGSO/KBHM
Fixinthe757 wrote:southsky wrote:gdavis003 wrote:Thoughts and hopes for 2021? I also hope to see some wheels begin to turn on moving service in Mobile to BFM.
For BFM, the FAA has largely approved the master plan which includes an 8 to 10 gate terminal at the downtown airport. I would imagine the first phases of this would be in place by 2025. As for the current "temporary" terminal at BFM, there has not been much visible movement as of yet (largely due to COVID), but I bet we will see F9 restart there once vaccinations begin to balloon and/or one of the big 3 move there from MOB. Curiously, Delta has BFM also listed for Mobile on their online booking engine already (MOB is separate).
So far nothing has happened. The temporary terminal is not being used anymore. The city/airport has finally purchased the land along the waterfront, but no plans have been made to do anything with it so far. Personally I think the new terminal should be there, but they dont care what I think. I have heard about the businesses that will be affected buy the location of the new terminal have complained about being relocated, but dont know if that going to matter. Four of the hangars here at MAE will be demolished, as well as the old Teledyne area as well. New hangars are supposed to built. Signature will be relocated to the other side of runway 14. Hopefully when all is said and done (and we all know the local and national govt takes their slow time to do anything) it will come with service from additional carriers. Not holding my breath though.
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This is the land where the old golf course was, right? I think they said that half of the land was being dedicated to conservation, and the other half was for aerospace projects, which seemed more likely to be Airbus-related than land for the terminal. I agree, it would make sense to put the terminal on the east side of the field. Much less hectic and can start from scratch. Are the four hangars that are being demolished the ones at the east end of Avenue I that are all connected? Beautiful, old hangars, but I'm sure there are some structural deficiencies that come with the age.
jplatts wrote:TYSflyer wrote:I actually think HSV has a decent chance to land WN. It is clearly an underserved market. I realize WN has primarily been adding vacation destinations, but they did recently announce JAN so they are not completely opposed to traditional markets. Outside of the big 3, HSV has little other service besides the token Silver and F9 flights. HSV does not get much love on this forum like some of its similar sized peers, but IMO, I think it could function well as a small WN station.
While HSV is one of the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. without WN service, there are other remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. without WN service that carried more domestic passengers in 2019 than HSV did, including MYR, SYR, TYS, MSN, GSO, XNA, DAY, VPS, AVL, BZN, and MDT.
Fixinthe757 wrote:Yeah its ok, but 18-36 needs the most work. Its in dire need of resurfacing, as well as its own taxiway, which i know is planned. I spent a fair amount of time on that runway throughout last year parking and working on the 777s we had stored there. Thats where a good chunk of that money needs to go, and to re-extend it again too. 14-32 was resurfaced and had centerline lights installed a few years ago and is still in very good shape