Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
User avatar
lightsaber
Moderator
Posts: 23102
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:51 pm

777 wrote:
Very bad news coming from Midfield, the EY’s hub in Abū Dhabi.


DUBAI, July 5 (Reuters) - Abu Dhabi's state-owned airport operator has cancelled a contract with a consortium which was building a 10.8 billion dirham ($2.94 billion) terminal at the emirate's main airport, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The group, which comprises United Arab Emirates-based Arabtec, Turkey's TAV Insaat and Athens-based Consolidated Contractors Company (CCC), were awarded the contract in 2012 to build the Midfield Terminal Building at Abu Dhabi International Airport.

One of the sources said state-owned Abu Dhabi Airports cancelled the contract after the group over ran project costs.

Abu Dhabi Airports and TAV Insaat declined comment. Arabtec, which filed for liquidation in January, and CCC representatives could not be reached for comment.

The terminal, which is still under construction and was once scheduled to open in 2017, has been plagued by years of delays. Abu Dhabi Airports in 2019 said that construction of the new terminal was 97.6% complete.

Two sources said Abu Dhabi-headquartered Trojan had been awarded the contract to finish the terminal's construction.

Trojan did not respond to a request for comment.

The new 700,000 square metre terminal was supposed to support the growth of Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways. When the project was launched, the state-owned airline was seeking to build a major transit hub in the UAE capital, but it has restructured and scaled back its ambitions since then.

The contract cancellation also comes amid a deep pandemic-driven recession in the travel industry that is forecast to take years to recover.



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-07-05/

I missed that cancelation; it cements that EY is giving up on being a major connecting airline.

Serious question, how much is the growth at ADD (Ethiopian) and IST (Turkish and Pegasus) playing into this decision?

Lightsaber
 
Blerg
Posts: 5222
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:32 pm

lightsaber wrote:
777 wrote:
Very bad news coming from Midfield, the EY’s hub in Abū Dhabi.


DUBAI, July 5 (Reuters) - Abu Dhabi's state-owned airport operator has cancelled a contract with a consortium which was building a 10.8 billion dirham ($2.94 billion) terminal at the emirate's main airport, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The group, which comprises United Arab Emirates-based Arabtec, Turkey's TAV Insaat and Athens-based Consolidated Contractors Company (CCC), were awarded the contract in 2012 to build the Midfield Terminal Building at Abu Dhabi International Airport.

One of the sources said state-owned Abu Dhabi Airports cancelled the contract after the group over ran project costs.

Abu Dhabi Airports and TAV Insaat declined comment. Arabtec, which filed for liquidation in January, and CCC representatives could not be reached for comment.

The terminal, which is still under construction and was once scheduled to open in 2017, has been plagued by years of delays. Abu Dhabi Airports in 2019 said that construction of the new terminal was 97.6% complete.

Two sources said Abu Dhabi-headquartered Trojan had been awarded the contract to finish the terminal's construction.

Trojan did not respond to a request for comment.

The new 700,000 square metre terminal was supposed to support the growth of Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways. When the project was launched, the state-owned airline was seeking to build a major transit hub in the UAE capital, but it has restructured and scaled back its ambitions since then.

The contract cancellation also comes amid a deep pandemic-driven recession in the travel industry that is forecast to take years to recover.



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-07-05/

I missed that cancelation; it cements that EY is giving up on being a major connecting airline.

Serious question, how much is the growth at ADD (Ethiopian) and IST (Turkish and Pegasus) playing into this decision?

Lightsaber


Personally, I don't thin ADD and IST had that much to do with what's going on at EY today. I'd blame Hogan who insisted on a risky and extremely expensive business strategy. It was a gamble and they lost. Now they are doing damage control to save what can be saved. Had they slowly expanded over the years they would have been a nice airline of a respectable size. In stead they wanted to be a global carrier with hundreds of planes.

On a side note, some 7 to 8 years ago I was working with Etihad and I was shocked at how many of their employees were disinterested and plain incompetent. Don't know if it was just my experience or the norm over there.
 
UAEflyer
Posts: 1301
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:29 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:16 am

Is Etihad still committed to their 77X order ?
 
User avatar
sjones1975
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:23 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:20 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I missed that cancelation; it cements that EY is giving up on being a major connecting airline.

Serious question, how much is the growth at ADD (Ethiopian) and IST (Turkish and Pegasus) playing into this decision?


The article states that the Abu Dhabi airport authority is cancelling the contract with the current contractor; it does not state that the project itself is being cancelled. In fact, the article states that Abu Dhabi airports is bringing in a replacement contractor to complete the Midfield Terminal.

I agree that with its fleet and route downsizing, EY may be giving up on being a major connecting airline, however, I don't think that this action regarding the terminal is further indication of such. Again, the Abu Dhabi is getting rid of the current contractor, not the project itself.
 
RoyalBrunei757
Posts: 715
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:18 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:29 am

UAEflyer wrote:
Is Etihad still committed to their 77X order ?

After last major cancellation it has only 6 B77X on order, replacing A380 I guess.
 
Opus99
Posts: 2699
Joined: Thu May 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:35 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
Is Etihad still committed to their 77X order ?

After last major cancellation it has only 6 B77X on order, replacing A380 I guess.

It never cancelled those frames btw. The order is hanging in the balance. Same way it actually never cancelled 8 350s. They’re just there I guess for flexibility purposes
 
RoyalBrunei757
Posts: 715
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:18 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:56 am

Opus99 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
Is Etihad still committed to their 77X order ?

After last major cancellation it has only 6 B77X on order, replacing A380 I guess.

It never cancelled those frames btw. The order is hanging in the balance. Same way it actually never cancelled 8 350s. They’re just there I guess for flexibility purposes

Like it or not, Etihad has made it clear they will only take 6 B77X, even if Boeing points a gun at EY's head, the latter won't be take more than 6 units. Who needs so much capacity post COVID19 era? Not forgetting they still have few A350-1000 in their premise which have yet flown commercial service.
 
Opus99
Posts: 2699
Joined: Thu May 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:38 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
After last major cancellation it has only 6 B77X on order, replacing A380 I guess.

It never cancelled those frames btw. The order is hanging in the balance. Same way it actually never cancelled 8 350s. They’re just there I guess for flexibility purposes

Like it or not, Etihad has made it clear they will only take 6 B77X, even if Boeing points a gun at EY's head, the latter won't be take more than 6 units. Who needs so much capacity post COVID19 era? Not forgetting they still have few A350-1000 in their premise which have yet flown commercial service.

What you’ve said does not change the factual nature of my statement. Half of what you’ve said is actually an opinion, it may very well be right but it’s still an opinion
 
mig17
Posts: 404
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:34 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:50 am

Opus99 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
It never cancelled those frames btw. The order is hanging in the balance. Same way it actually never cancelled 8 350s. They’re just there I guess for flexibility purposes

Like it or not, Etihad has made it clear they will only take 6 B77X, even if Boeing points a gun at EY's head, the latter won't be take more than 6 units. Who needs so much capacity post COVID19 era? Not forgetting they still have few A350-1000 in their premise which have yet flown commercial service.

What you’ve said does not change the factual nature of my statement. Half of what you’ve said is actually an opinion, it may very well be right but it’s still an opinion

The 777-X is still kind of a Schrödinger case. Nobody wants to move first until Boeing shows his hand. That will be the starting point of true confirmations / cancellations negociations.
 
Opus99
Posts: 2699
Joined: Thu May 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:52 am

mig17 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Like it or not, Etihad has made it clear they will only take 6 B77X, even if Boeing points a gun at EY's head, the latter won't be take more than 6 units. Who needs so much capacity post COVID19 era? Not forgetting they still have few A350-1000 in their premise which have yet flown commercial service.

What you’ve said does not change the factual nature of my statement. Half of what you’ve said is actually an opinion, it may very well be right but it’s still an opinion

The 777-X is still kind of a Schrödinger case. Nobody wants to move first until Boeing shows his hand. That will be the starting point of true confirmations / cancellations negociations.

I agree with this. That will happen soon as NAMS has started
 
User avatar
B742
Posts: 3602
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:48 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:37 am

Rumours circulating online of EY bringing back the A380, we shall see.
 
NZ321
Posts: 1437
Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:00 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:07 pm

Is there anything released about the config / seat-map on the A35K?
 
xijiayu
Posts: 101
Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:40 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:10 pm

B742 wrote:
Rumours circulating online of EY bringing back the A380, we shall see.

With EK and QR all bring back their A380 on LHR route, it is only a matter of time EY will use A380 on their LHR route again.
 
myki
Posts: 392
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:36 pm

B742 wrote:
Rumours circulating online of EY bringing back the A380, we shall see.

They are bringing back A380 pilots, yes. Don't jump to conclusions that return of pilot = return of aircraft ;)
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:01 pm

Etihad will reveal its new A350-1000 aircraft at Dubai Airshow

https://www-thenationalnews-com.cdn.amp ... utType=amp
 
na
Posts: 9877
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:09 pm

With the 77W retirement and already 10 out of 19 on the ground since up to a year, have some already been ferried to foreign desert boneyards? Some of those aircraft are young and would be excellent feedstock for cargo conversion, others belong to the earliest built and might be better as parts donors.
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:03 pm

-Rumor: Etihad to relaunch flights to LAX with the A350-1000.

-Toronto YYZ might be one of the destinations to get the A350-1000.
 
User avatar
MatheusLPV
Posts: 44
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:27 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:26 pm

xwb777 wrote:
-Rumor: Etihad to relaunch flights to LAX with the A350-1000.

-Toronto YYZ might be one of the destinations to get the A350-1000.


Does anyone guess if their A35K will feature first class ?
 
myki
Posts: 392
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:15 pm

EY used to fly to FRA, MUC and DUS in Germany. Now that DUS has been dropped, would they be able to start BER instead, or would there be some issue with the bilateral agreements preventing them from doing so?
 
User avatar
res77W
Posts: 380
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:59 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:31 pm

The A35K cabins are going to be unveiled at the Dubai Air Show, right? Any word on configuration or seating choices? Anything innovative/something to look forward to?

-Rowen
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:50 pm

myki wrote:
EY used to fly to FRA, MUC and DUS in Germany. Now that DUS has been dropped, would they be able to start BER instead, or would there be some issue with the bilateral agreements preventing them from doing so?


EK is soon going double A380 flights to DUS. Yes, Etihad can launch Berlin.
 
emre787
Posts: 176
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:59 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:45 pm

xwb777 wrote:
myki wrote:
EY used to fly to FRA, MUC and DUS in Germany. Now that DUS has been dropped, would they be able to start BER instead, or would there be some issue with the bilateral agreements preventing them from doing so?


EK is soon going double A380 flights to DUS. Yes, Etihad can launch Berlin.


As far as I know, UAE airlines are still bilaterally limited to FRA, MUC and DUS, so it's a no.
(EKs HAM flights do have a special permit as they once operated as DXB-HAM-JFK and sponsored the city's football team)
 
UAEflyer
Posts: 1301
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:29 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:25 am

myki wrote:
EY used to fly to FRA, MUC and DUS in Germany. Now that DUS has been dropped, would they be able to start BER instead, or would there be some issue with the bilateral agreements preventing them from doing so?

bilateral agreements are easier now, Germans wouldn't mind relaxing their restrictions until the economy get back in its shape. The issue is that EY is in terrible shape and trying to maintain (with difficulties) their current network. The owners can't sponsor EY forever, there is a limit.
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:00 am

res77W wrote:
The A35K cabins are going to be unveiled at the Dubai Air Show, right? Any word on configuration or seating choices? Anything innovative/something to look forward to?

-Rowen


It has been rumored that Etihad will be launching a new product on the A350 at Dubai Airshow.
 
A330Inter
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:59 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:28 am

xwb777 wrote:
res77W wrote:
The A35K cabins are going to be unveiled at the Dubai Air Show, right? Any word on configuration or seating choices? Anything innovative/something to look forward to?

-Rowen


It has been rumored that Etihad will be launching a new product on the A350 at Dubai Airshow.


Premium Economy?
 
User avatar
DLHAM
Posts: 683
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:32 am

emre787 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
myki wrote:
EY used to fly to FRA, MUC and DUS in Germany. Now that DUS has been dropped, would they be able to start BER instead, or would there be some issue with the bilateral agreements preventing them from doing so?


EK is soon going double A380 flights to DUS. Yes, Etihad can launch Berlin.


As far as I know, UAE airlines are still bilaterally limited to FRA, MUC and DUS, so it's a no.
(EKs HAM flights do have a special permit as they once operated as DXB-HAM-JFK and sponsored the city's football team)


Right! Only DUS, FRA, MUC. HAM is a special permit for Emirates that only applies to them.
 
User avatar
qf789
Moderator
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:42 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:35 am

Etihad A350-1000 A6-XWB in a 50 year anniversary of UAE livery

Image

https://twitter.com/etihad/status/14597 ... 55169?s=21
 
Opus99
Posts: 2699
Joined: Thu May 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:39 am

qf789 wrote:
Etihad A350-1000 A6-XWB in a 50 year anniversary of UAE livery

Image

https://twitter.com/etihad/status/14597 ... 55169?s=21

I hope to see the interior
 
BA178
Posts: 11
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:37 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:47 am

Opus99 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Etihad A350-1000 A6-XWB in a 50 year anniversary of UAE livery

Image

https://twitter.com/etihad/status/14597 ... 55169?s=21

I hope to see the interior

https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964

I see they've conformed with the ever-so-popular Super Diamond J seat. A shame to see them do away with F on their new long haul workhorse.
 
Gar1G
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:31 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:50 am

BA178 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Etihad A350-1000 A6-XWB in a 50 year anniversary of UAE livery

Image

https://twitter.com/etihad/status/14597 ... 55169?s=21

I hope to see the interior

https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964

I see they've conformed with the ever-so-popular Super Diamond J seat. A shame to see them do away with F on their new long haul workhorse.


I don't know if I heard correctly in the tweet above: https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964
but Tony Douglas seems to say something along the lines of "This machine has 372 seats... the second batch after the current 5 are slightly wider in the airframe which will allow an additional seat in economy per row... Giving 404 seats"

This seems to indicate that Etihad are looking at a 3-4-3 config in economy - pretty bold given that no major carrier outside of leisure airlines are doing that with their 350's. I really hope this doesn't result in 16 inch seats. He doesn't mention seat width I don't think so it would be interesting to see what internal cabin width is and resulting seat width.
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:56 pm

Etihad A350-1000 reveals Business class product

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ness-class
 
BA178
Posts: 11
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:37 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:49 pm

Gar1G wrote:
BA178 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
I hope to see the interior

https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964

I see they've conformed with the ever-so-popular Super Diamond J seat. A shame to see them do away with F on their new long haul workhorse.


I don't know if I heard correctly in the tweet above: https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964
but Tony Douglas seems to say something along the lines of "This machine has 372 seats... the second batch after the current 5 are slightly wider in the airframe which will allow an additional seat in economy per row... Giving 404 seats"

This seems to indicate that Etihad are looking at a 3-4-3 config in economy - pretty bold given that no major carrier outside of leisure airlines are doing that with their 350's. I really hope this doesn't result in 16 inch seats. He doesn't mention seat width I don't think so it would be interesting to see what internal cabin width is and resulting seat width.

That would be rather sad, given Etihad's former reputation as a luxury airline, however it would be in line with the cost-cutting "enhancements" they've been implementing over the past few years.
 
Gar1G
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:31 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:03 pm

BA178 wrote:
Gar1G wrote:
BA178 wrote:
https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964

I see they've conformed with the ever-so-popular Super Diamond J seat. A shame to see them do away with F on their new long haul workhorse.


I don't know if I heard correctly in the tweet above: https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964
but Tony Douglas seems to say something along the lines of "This machine has 372 seats... the second batch after the current 5 are slightly wider in the airframe which will allow an additional seat in economy per row... Giving 404 seats"

This seems to indicate that Etihad are looking at a 3-4-3 config in economy - pretty bold given that no major carrier outside of leisure airlines are doing that with their 350's. I really hope this doesn't result in 16 inch seats. He doesn't mention seat width I don't think so it would be interesting to see what internal cabin width is and resulting seat width.

That would be rather sad, given Etihad's former reputation as a luxury airline, however it would be in line with the cost-cutting "enhancements" they've been implementing over the past few years.


It would be a bummer indeed. Although I remembered this article: https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/06/1 ... east-a350/

Scherer said in that: “We are having a number of initiatives that we can demonstrate now giving airlines the opportunity to put 17” seats ten abreast across the A350, allowing it to be just as large in terms of passenger capacity as the 9X. That makes it uncatchable.”

Of course theres the raw limitations of the fuselage, but if it does result in 17inch seats then I guess they are trying to just get close to the comfort (or uncomfort) level of the 777 to compete better.
 
xwb777
Posts: 1265
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:56 pm

Etihad to trim down the fleet from 93 to 65. The airline is considering canceling the A320NEO and B777X order and take delivery of remaining A350s and B787s.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-17/
 
Opus99
Posts: 2699
Joined: Thu May 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:02 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Etihad to trim down the fleet from 93 to 65. The airline is considering canceling the A320NEO and B777X order and take delivery of remaining A350s and B787s.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-17/

I understand that for the 777X in terms of his comments on delivery. But the 320NEO? I don’t get how those comments apply
 
Asiaflyer
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 11:50 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:34 pm

Opus99 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Etihad to trim down the fleet from 93 to 65. The airline is considering canceling the A320NEO and B777X order and take delivery of remaining A350s and B787s.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-17/

I understand that for the 777X in terms of his comments on delivery. But the 320NEO? I don’t get how those comments apply

In a separate comment, it’s was mentioned that A320 fleet could be reduced to 15 jets and hence some A320neo could be cancelled.
 
Blerg
Posts: 5222
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:48 pm

Them considering canceling the A320 order could be a sign of their full commitment to the Air Arabia business concept. This would make sense especially since Wizz Air isn't showing any signs of slowing down in AUH. Might as well let Air Arabia fight them since their products and costs are similar. EY can focus on medium and long-haul flights where Wizz isn't as much of a threat. I mean anything beyond 5 hours on the Wizz A321neo is a living nightmare.
 
Breathe
Posts: 875
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:06 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:04 pm

"When the market comes back sustainability, then we will look at how we will scale up. We are never going to get back into the madness," Douglas said.

If only he was CEO instead of Hogan the airline would have been in a much healthier place. Although to play devils advocate, one can speculate that Hogan being "encouraged" by the shareholders of Etihad i.e. the Sheikhs, to catch up with their neighbours in Dubai as quickly as possible?

A sensible fleet for Etihad over the next 5 years could look something like this:

A321neo (regional)
A350 (trunk)
787 (mid)
 
Gar1G
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:31 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:09 am

Gar1G wrote:
BA178 wrote:
Gar1G wrote:

I don't know if I heard correctly in the tweet above: https://twitter.com/salim_bin_tamim/sta ... 5669501964
but Tony Douglas seems to say something along the lines of "This machine has 372 seats... the second batch after the current 5 are slightly wider in the airframe which will allow an additional seat in economy per row... Giving 404 seats"

This seems to indicate that Etihad are looking at a 3-4-3 config in economy - pretty bold given that no major carrier outside of leisure airlines are doing that with their 350's. I really hope this doesn't result in 16 inch seats. He doesn't mention seat width I don't think so it would be interesting to see what internal cabin width is and resulting seat width.

That would be rather sad, given Etihad's former reputation as a luxury airline, however it would be in line with the cost-cutting "enhancements" they've been implementing over the past few years.


It would be a bummer indeed. Although I remembered this article: https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/06/1 ... east-a350/

Scherer said in that: “We are having a number of initiatives that we can demonstrate now giving airlines the opportunity to put 17” seats ten abreast across the A350, allowing it to be just as large in terms of passenger capacity as the 9X. That makes it uncatchable.”

Of course theres the raw limitations of the fuselage, but if it does result in 17inch seats then I guess they are trying to just get close to the comfort (or uncomfort) level of the 777 to compete better.


Just following up here with a new article published yesterday on this topic: https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2021/11/1 ... 3s-happen/
 
behramjee
Posts: 5180
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:36 pm

Does anyone know the full cabin configuration breakdown of the new EY A351?
 
A330Inter
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:59 pm

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:42 pm

behramjee wrote:
Does anyone know the full cabin configuration breakdown of the new EY A351?


Not 100% sure but I have heard of 40J/332Y for total 372 seats
This is close to some of their 77W configuration deployed to Chicago and Toronto
 
A359bw
Posts: 21
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:00 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:25 pm

C44 Y+45 Y283
 
behramjee
Posts: 5180
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:47 pm

A359bw wrote:
C44 Y+45 Y283


thank you

Y+ 45...interesting so will these just have extra leg room or a proper new premium economy seat like EK?

this totals up to be 372 too
 
A359bw
Posts: 21
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:00 am

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:56 pm

Just more legroom

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos