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Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:49 am

Welcome to Etihad Airways 2021 News and Discussion Thread.

Please continue the discussions below.

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Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:09 am

Saw news Etihad is launching a charter and special flight division.

Guess they see the segment as an area of opportunity as they flew over 500 charters including passenger, sports team, government and humanitarian flights in 2020.

https://www.etihad.com/en-us/news/etiha ... t-services
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:07 am

Anyone have an update on the midfield terminal. It seems no news is on the internet.
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:59 am

lalib wrote:
Anyone have an update on the midfield terminal. It seems no news is on the internet.

Its nearly ready. Some final touches left to be done.
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:28 am

It's a shame that once this super-sized terminal is opened ... one day ... eventually ... then the money could've been better spent upgrading the current T1 and T3 and the leftover cash used for other infrastructure e.g. metro. They'll probably fill one of the four arms, and in any case US flights will still be going from T3 due to US CBP not wanting to spend money to relocate.
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:11 pm

Thank you xwb777.

That's an impressive looking terminal! I hope it's a game changer for EY.
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:11 pm

Going to be an impressive terminal though far too large for the shrunken EY and activity AUH receives.
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:13 pm

myki wrote:
and in any case US flights will still be going from T3 due to US CBP not wanting to spend money to relocate.


CBP does not spend a penny. Its up to the host nation to fund facilities.
 
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Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:16 am

LAXintl wrote:
myki wrote:
and in any case US flights will still be going from T3 due to US CBP not wanting to spend money to relocate.


CBP does not spend a penny. Its up to the host nation to fund facilities.

Ah, got it. Thanks!
Well, someone doesn't want to spend then ;) it's a cash issue, so they are staying put.
 
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Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:23 am

myki wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
myki wrote:
and in any case US flights will still be going from T3 due to US CBP not wanting to spend money to relocate.


CBP does not spend a penny. Its up to the host nation to fund facilities.

Ah, got it. Thanks!
Well, someone doesn't want to spend then ;) it's a cash issue, so they are staying put.

maybe they want to evaluate the terminal after in goes into operation and see how things move then decide to move to the new building, I don't think AUH will keep the old Terminals , they need the space for GAMCO and private jet operators.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:15 am

Etihad is preparing for another round of redundancies.

Link: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... e-job-cuts
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:19 am

From the article: According to an internal memo sent to staff on Sunday, January 16, 2021, the airline said it would have no choice but to further reduce its workforce due to the slow airline industry recovery.

It probably doesn't help they have Wizz Air and Air Arabia taking away O&D demand in certain markets.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:27 am

Etihad CEO speaking to Bloomberg:

- Etihad has plans for 12 A350-1000s only
- The airline has 6 B777-9s on order
- The A380s might not have a future
- The airline will focus on its backbone fleet (B787). EY still have 11 B789s and 17 B787-10s on order).

Source: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-in-limbo
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:38 am

Blerg wrote:
From the article: According to an internal memo sent to staff on Sunday, January 16, 2021, the airline said it would have no choice but to further reduce its workforce due to the slow airline industry recovery.

It probably doesn't help they have Wizz Air and Air Arabia taking away O&D demand in certain markets.

EY have (quietly) handed over a few routes to 3L, namely KRT and KTM. Also, seasonal with EY but now permanent with 3L are HBE and SLL. The only routes they share are DAC (which is strong with cargo), CAI and MCT. An EY codeshare exists 3L flights also, which I believe has therefore added CGP and HMB to EY's network non-stop out of AUH.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:55 am

myki wrote:
Blerg wrote:
From the article: According to an internal memo sent to staff on Sunday, January 16, 2021, the airline said it would have no choice but to further reduce its workforce due to the slow airline industry recovery.

It probably doesn't help they have Wizz Air and Air Arabia taking away O&D demand in certain markets.

EY have (quietly) handed over a few routes to 3L, namely KRT and KTM. Also, seasonal with EY but now permanent with 3L are HBE and SLL. The only routes they share are DAC (which is strong with cargo), CAI and MCT. An EY codeshare exists 3L flights also, which I believe has therefore added CGP and HMB to EY's network non-stop out of AUH.


That's interesting. Let's see what they do with BEG. Recently it was announced that the codeshare with JU will not be suspended. I would not be surprised if 3L takes over.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:48 pm

Etihad Airways today announced pandemic-impacted financial and operating results for 2020 with loss of US $1.70bil (was US $0.8bil loss in 2019) as revenues dipped 74%.

Airline to accelerates a transformation plan to mitigate the impact of a pandemic with operations focused on B787-9 and B787-10 as it seeks to resume services on the global network. Also will grow and diversify AUH connectivity with Air Arabia partnership which at end of 2020 stood at 8 markets complementing the Etihad passenger network.

https://www.etihad.com/en-fr/news/etiha ... f-pandemic
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:49 pm

xwb777 wrote:
lalib wrote:
Anyone have an update on the midfield terminal. It seems no news is on the internet.

Its nearly ready. Some final touches left to be done.
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That terminal will be amazing... and sparsely utilized.

EY is going to have a few tough years ahead.

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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:06 pm

lalib wrote:
Thank you xwb777.

That's an impressive looking terminal! I hope it's a game changer for EY.


It won't be. It's like building a nice new airport in STL and wondering why DFW, ATL and ORD keep being successful.

There is no real reason for EY to exist beyond deep pockets and childish one-upmanship. A new terminal won't change that.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:23 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Etihad CEO speaking to Bloomberg:

- Etihad has plans for 12 A350-1000s only
- The airline has 6 B777-9s on order
- The A380s might not have a future
- The airline will focus on its backbone fleet (B787). EY still have 11 B789s and 17 B787-10s on order).

Source: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-in-limbo


I clearly see an opportunity for EY to streamline their fleet . Why not convert the 77X orders into 787's and let the A350-1000 occupies this role as they are already built ?
Is there any mission in the EY network that A350-1000 is not capable of and the 77X is needed ??
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:29 pm

MatheusLPV wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Etihad CEO speaking to Bloomberg:

- Etihad has plans for 12 A350-1000s only
- The airline has 6 B777-9s on order
- The A380s might not have a future
- The airline will focus on its backbone fleet (B787). EY still have 11 B789s and 17 B787-10s on order).

Source: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-in-limbo


I clearly see an opportunity for EY to streamline their fleet . Why not convert the 77X orders into 787's and let the A350-1000 occupies this role as they are already built ?
Is there any mission in the EY network that A350-1000 is not capable of and the 77X is needed ??

12 350s to replace 300ERs in the fullness of time
6 777-9s to replace top end 380. makes sense (used on routes like LHR and JFK basically)
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:19 am

lightsaber wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
lalib wrote:
Anyone have an update on the midfield terminal. It seems no news is on the internet.

Its nearly ready. Some final touches left to be done.
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That terminal will be amazing... and sparsely utilized.

EY is going to have a few tough years ahead.

Lightsaber


I wonder if Wizz Air AUH will be using airbridges or will they stick to remote parkings.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 pm

Another interview with EY CEO Tony Douglas

https://www.thenationalnews.com/busines ... -1.1177383

○ Aims to be a "mid-size carrier"
○ 787 will be heart of fleet with 40 frames
○ 12 A350s, but not utilized until 2023
○ On A380 "very likely that we won't see them operating with Etihad again."
○ Delivery dates on 777-9 TBA
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:54 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Another interview with EY CEO Tony Douglas

https://www.thenationalnews.com/busines ... -1.1177383

○ Aims to be a "mid-size carrier"
○ 787 will be heart of fleet with 40 frames
○ 12 A350s, but not utilized until 2023
○ On A380 "very likely that we won't see them operating with Etihad again."
○ Delivery dates on 777-9 TBA

The VLAs, including 779, are far in the future. Smsrt to delay. The 787s and A350s are better sized for any airline until probably 2025.

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Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:09 pm

xwb777 wrote:
lalib wrote:
Anyone have an update on the midfield terminal. It seems no news is on the internet.

Its nearly ready. Some final touches left to be done.
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this is gorgeous!
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:17 pm

It is interesting Gulf Air and Etihad are back to each other's arm again. The stories involved with GF and its related airlines can be a great historical novel.

And quietly, AA and Etihad are back to good terms as now AA is allowing earning by flying with Etihad again since December 2020.

When will we see Etihad finally be 'normal' without any drama again?
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:21 pm

chonetsao wrote:
It is interesting Gulf Air and Etihad are back to each other's arm again. The stories involved with GF and its related airlines can be a great historical novel.

And quietly, AA and Etihad are back to good terms as now AA is allowing earning by flying with Etihad again since December 2020.

When will we see Etihad finally be 'normal' without any drama again?


What drama? Nothing new for them to their renewal strategy that has been started for almost 3-4 years now:
- Reducing the abysmal losses
- Streamlining of the fleet
- Optimized network based on the real demand for Abu Dhbai, not just connecting East-West of the world at a loss
- As a result, better partnerships strategy.

AA was gone due to a dispute at the time airlines from the US were asking for more transparency from UAE based carriers,
Now with the improved direction undergone by the UAE and the business need for airlines to be evaluating all possible avenues to generate revenue it makes sense that they came to terms, again.

In my opinion (just my 2cts) the change of tenant in the White House has also facilitated that discussion between the 2 airlines.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:26 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Another interview with EY CEO Tony Douglas

https://www.thenationalnews.com/busines ... -1.1177383

○ Aims to be a "mid-size carrier"
○ 787 will be heart of fleet with 40 frames
○ 12 A350s, but not utilized until 2023
○ On A380 "very likely that we won't see them operating with Etihad again."
○ Delivery dates on 777-9 TBA


An ideal streamlining probably would have been:

A320neo
777-9
787-9 & 10

But I guess they couldn't get out of cancelling all of their A350 order, still having the A350 to replace the existing 777-300ER isn't a bad thing.

Although it was on my (highly unrealistic) bucket list, I guess I'll never have a chance of attempting to fly 'The Residence' now! :( The 777-9 will be able to take care of the busy A380 trunk routes such as LHR.

This really does put the final nail in the coffin for Etihad as "major" airline in the Middle East competing with Emirates and Qatar. Still if all this fleet surgery ends up resuscitating Etihad as a profitable business, then such aircraft and products as the A380 and 'residence' have to be sadly sacrificed.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:52 am

LAXintl wrote:
Another interview with EY CEO Tony Douglas

https://www.thenationalnews.com/busines ... -1.1177383

○ Aims to be a "mid-size carrier"
○ 787 will be heart of fleet with 40 frames
○ 12 A350s, but not utilized until 2023
○ On A380 "very likely that we won't see them operating with Etihad again."
○ Delivery dates on 777-9 TBA


RIP The Residences
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:00 pm

What about the future of the Etihad Cargo 777F fleet ?

The oldest, 10 years old, Etihad 777F (A6-DDA) has been purchased by FedEx in January 2021.
Remaining in the Etihad Cargo fleet are five 777F aircraft, new delivered between 2013-2018.
Rumours are that Lufthansa Cargo has already purchased another one, for delivery in 2021.
 
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747classic wrote:
What about the future of the Etihad Cargo 777F fleet ?

The oldest, 10 years old, Etihad 777F (A6-DDA) has been purchased by FedEx in January 2021.
Remaining in the Etihad Cargo fleet are five 777F aircraft, new delivered between 2013-2018.
Rumours are that Lufthansa Cargo has already purchased another one, for delivery in 2021.


EY is literally dying. In order to generate cash they are selling the one thing that actually can make some money right now. Its sad really, but they simply are becoming something that I can't see surviving much more than another 12 months.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:20 pm

deltatrav wrote:
this is gorgeous!


Yes, the AUH Midfield Terminal is gorgeous. However, whenever I see pics of it, I feel sad that due to EY's shrinking state (even to some extent pre-COVID), the terminal won't really be used to its full extent. As others have said here before, it could turn out to be a white elephant. As EY moves away from being a ME3 super-connector to being more of a midsized airline, it will have even less use for a terminal this big. Hopefully, EY will recover and eventually grow back into a proper super-connector, perhaps by the mid or late part of the decade.

Given the massive overcapacity of the terminal at this point (which was apparent even pre-COVID), would it make sense to knock down the rest of the airport and move all operations to the Midfield Terminal?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:38 pm

CALMSP wrote:
747classic wrote:
What about the future of the Etihad Cargo 777F fleet ?

The oldest, 10 years old, Etihad 777F (A6-DDA) has been purchased by FedEx in January 2021.
Remaining in the Etihad Cargo fleet are five 777F aircraft, new delivered between 2013-2018.
Rumours are that Lufthansa Cargo has already purchased another one, for delivery in 2021.


EY is literally dying. In order to generate cash they are selling the one thing that actually can make some money right now. Its sad really, but they simply are becoming something that I can't see surviving much more than another 12 months.

That's a bit dramatic. What brings you to that conclusion?
 
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:09 pm

A380 removed entirely from the fleet page on Etihad website

https://simpleflying.com/etihad-airbus- ... e-removal/
 
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:31 pm

If this is truly the end, it's still incredible that they're retiring the plane this quietly, without fanfare, incredible considering just how much fanfare and hype there was when they were introduced. Considering how iconic the Residences became, you would have at least expected a more dignified farewell, perhaps even just flybys or some kind of goodbye message/video. Even Air France gave a proper farewell for their A380s and had one last flight, while the airlines that retired the 747 recently mostly also had some kind of farewell message for them. I guess A380s and quiet retirements go hand in hand together (remember 9V-SKA)?

Also, last A380 delivered in 2017? A modern widebody potentially heading to the scrappers less than five years into its life is extremely rare right? Has it ever happened apart from that Etihad A340 that crashed during testing?
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:15 am

EY is in an interesting predicament on the other side of Covid19. I'll be curious how the distinguish themselves versus TK, EK, QK, and ET (their regional competition, IMHO).

filipinoavgeek wrote:
If this is truly the end, it's still incredible that they're retiring the plane this quietly, without fanfare, incredible considering just how much fanfare and hype there was when they were introduced. Considering how iconic the Residences became, you would have at least expected a more dignified farewell, perhaps even just flybys or some kind of goodbye message/video. Even Air France gave a proper farewell for their A380s and had one last flight, while the airlines that retired the 747 recently mostly also had some kind of farewell message for them. I guess A380s and quiet retirements go hand in hand together (remember 9V-SKA)?

Also, last A380 delivered in 2017? A modern widebody potentially heading to the scrappers less than five years into its life is extremely rare right? Has it ever happened apart from that Etihad A340 that crashed during testing?

Never highlight a negative unless there is a positive to put into perspective. e.g., retire the 747 to highlight new A350 service.
As an enthusiast I'd like to see something.

Looking at this from an advertisement perspective, EY will be just beat up if they retire the type. Best from a sales perspective to just late it fade away.

It will be interesting to see what peak A380 flying is like after Covid19, but it is too early to discuss and not the right thread.

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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:22 am

MatheusLPV wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Etihad CEO speaking to Bloomberg:

- Etihad has plans for 12 A350-1000s only
- The airline has 6 B777-9s on order
- The A380s might not have a future
- The airline will focus on its backbone fleet (B787). EY still have 11 B789s and 17 B787-10s on order).

Source: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-in-limbo


I clearly see an opportunity for EY to streamline their fleet . Why not convert the 77X orders into 787's and let the A350-1000 occupies this role as they are already built ?
Is there any mission in the EY network that A350-1000 is not capable of and the 77X is needed ??


I Agree, seems very expensive to operate such a small fleet of 6 777-9s, when the A35Ks could fill those roles. I wouldnt be surprised if they are trying to convert to 787s
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:57 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
MatheusLPV wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Etihad CEO speaking to Bloomberg:

- Etihad has plans for 12 A350-1000s only
- The airline has 6 B777-9s on order
- The A380s might not have a future
- The airline will focus on its backbone fleet (B787). EY still have 11 B789s and 17 B787-10s on order).

Source: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-in-limbo


I clearly see an opportunity for EY to streamline their fleet . Why not convert the 77X orders into 787's and let the A350-1000 occupies this role as they are already built ?
Is there any mission in the EY network that A350-1000 is not capable of and the 77X is needed ??


I Agree, seems very expensive to operate such a small fleet of 6 777-9s, when the A35Ks could fill those roles. I wouldnt be surprised if they are trying to convert to 787s


So they have 28x787s on order? Plus the 6x779s. Maybe main reason they not flying the 35K is because they got rid of a whole slew of flight crew?

Seems a bit overkill the amount of 787s
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:50 am

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Looking at this from an advertisement perspective, EY will be just beat up if they retire the type. Best from a sales perspective to just late it fade away.

Being that there is also that Middle Eastern pride thing where they would rather waste billions of dollars to save face rather than admitting to a failure, just letting things fade away until they are forgotten is common practice in that part of the world.

Highlight the positives. Ignore and forget the negatives.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:42 am

myki wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Looking at this from an advertisement perspective, EY will be just beat up if they retire the type. Best from a sales perspective to just late it fade away.

Being that there is also that Middle Eastern pride thing where they would rather waste billions of dollars to save face rather than admitting to a failure, just letting things fade away until they are forgotten is common practice in that part of the world.

Highlight the positives. Ignore and forget the negatives.


Is it really that difficult to make a press release officially announcing that the A380s had become too uneconomical and were being phased out? Even Air France did so and their plans had been set in motion even before the pandemic, just accelerated.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:32 am

They could have blamed covid for its retirement. However I think EY has more pressing issues to deal with. They were in a really bad place even before covid. Seems like things fell apart once Hogan left. They have been going from one identity crisis to the next.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:21 am

EY needs to scale down and become like another Gulf Air. Have a small mixed fleet of NB & WB and serve important markets, targetting mainly O&D traffic, with connecting feed being the bonus.
 
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avier wrote:
EY needs to scale down and become like another Gulf Air. Have a small mixed fleet of NB & WB and serve important markets, targetting mainly O&D traffic, with connecting feed being the bonus.


Yeah but O&D is also handled by Wizz Air and I doubt they can compete with them.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:56 am

Blerg wrote:
They could have blamed covid for its retirement. However I think EY has more pressing issues to deal with. They were in a really bad place even before covid. Seems like things fell apart once Hogan left. They have been going from one identity crisis to the next.


Beg to differ on Hogan! Things were falling apart because of his strategy - Tony Douglas inherited an awful lot of problems... :-)
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:02 am

avier wrote:
EY needs to scale down and become like another Gulf Air. Have a small mixed fleet of NB & WB and serve important markets, targetting mainly O&D traffic, with connecting feed being the bonus.



I think when it concerns EY, the Emir, Kalifa Al Nahyan, sees it as an investment too important to lose, good or bad.

So I guess they'll continue to sustain losses until at least traffic recovers post Covid. I cannot see them become another GF as they already much larger.

Personally, he's worth at least US$15BN and he runs their Soverign Wealth Fund worth US$600BN. So not really short a bob or two!!
 
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RIP The Residences


...and the first class apartments. Was fortunate enough to take 10 or so trips in them and receive superb service from the one and only Shaker in the UK at Heathrow. What a gentleman. Qatar Dreamliner J class has been nice since, but just doesn't compare to those apartments on the whale.
 
Blerg
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Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:14 am

veeseeten wrote:
Blerg wrote:
They could have blamed covid for its retirement. However I think EY has more pressing issues to deal with. They were in a really bad place even before covid. Seems like things fell apart once Hogan left. They have been going from one identity crisis to the next.


Beg to differ on Hogan! Things were falling apart because of his strategy - Tony Douglas inherited an awful lot of problems... :-)


Of course but somehow they seem to be spinning out of control since he left. They maybe were struggling to remain (or become?) a relevant during his time but after he left they seem to have become a first class mess of an airline.
 
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Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:19 am

Blerg wrote:
Of course but somehow they seem to be spinning out of control since he left. They maybe were struggling to remain (or become?) a relevant during his time but after he left they seem to have become a first class mess of an airline.


Wasn't a large part of the start of their downfall the investments into Air Seychelles, Jet Airways, Alitalia, Air Berlin etc? I remember in the years where I was flying them regularly those "lesser" brands were forever pushed to me on the IFE screens before takeoff and with almost every announcement.

That path was very much Hogan.
 
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Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:47 am

Virtual737 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Of course but somehow they seem to be spinning out of control since he left. They maybe were struggling to remain (or become?) a relevant during his time but after he left they seem to have become a first class mess of an airline.


Wasn't a large part of the start of their downfall the investments into Air Seychelles, Jet Airways, Alitalia, Air Berlin etc? I remember in the years where I was flying them regularly those "lesser" brands were forever pushed to me on the IFE screens before takeoff and with almost every announcement.

That path was very much Hogan.


Exactly. There were plenty of systemic things from the Hogan days that aren’t quickly or easily changed - difficult backdrop against which to implement a consistent new strategic direction.
 
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Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:03 am

veeseeten wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Of course but somehow they seem to be spinning out of control since he left. They maybe were struggling to remain (or become?) a relevant during his time but after he left they seem to have become a first class mess of an airline.


Wasn't a large part of the start of their downfall the investments into Air Seychelles, Jet Airways, Alitalia, Air Berlin etc? I remember in the years where I was flying them regularly those "lesser" brands were forever pushed to me on the IFE screens before takeoff and with almost every announcement.

That path was very much Hogan.


Exactly. There were plenty of systemic things from the Hogan days that aren’t quickly or easily changed - difficult backdrop against which to implement a consistent new strategic direction.


My whole point is that maybe Hogan's strategy did not produce the needed results but once he was gone new management simply did not know what do to and how to reform the airline. Remember how they cut meals on long-haul flights or reduced perks in business class? All that while still charging the same price. At the same time airlines such as Turkish Airlines, Qatar and Emirates kept the pressure on them in key markets. EY even failed in some important markets like IKA.
 
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Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:31 pm

If a product is loss making, you can either increase the price or lower your costs/quality. As airlines usually try to charge the highest possible, it’s mostly reducing costs. If they’d be lowering prices, then nothing be won. (Load factor was never the problem).

They decided that they did not want to sustain such high losses longer term. That’s why Hogan was fired. I think losses to a certain degree will be allowed. For you as a customer, the party is somewhat over (someone else footing (part of) the bill).

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