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Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:16 pm

Has anyone heard when Air Wisconsin might re-establish its Denver hub post Covid?
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:52 pm

Hi all in the Badger state! I was wondering if anyone would have any info about why Air France regional HOP Airlines flew a CRJ 700 into MKE yesterday. I was very fortunate that it was a beautiful day and they landed on 19R so I could get some great pictures, but I am very curious what it was doing in MKE? Could it be for Sky West? The only info I could track down was it ferried in from Goose Bay, Canada yesterday and it was still using an AF call sign by a pilot with a French accent.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:52 pm

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Hi all in the Badger state! I was wondering if anyone would have any info about why Air France regional HOP Airlines flew a CRJ 700 into MKE yesterday. I was very fortunate that it was a beautiful day and they landed on 19R so I could get some great pictures, but I am very curious what it was doing in MKE? Could it be for Sky West? The only info I could track down was it ferried in from Goose Bay, Canada yesterday and it was still using an AF call sign by a pilot with a French accent.


It was for Skywest. Using the MKE facility to update everything for Skywest
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:00 pm

Thanks UWP! I assumed it was a ferry for delivery to SkyWest. Interesting that they’re buying used 700s.
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am

WN is adding seasonal MKE-SRQ. FL flew this route about ten years ago or so.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/20 ... 838546002/

"Starting April 17, Southwest plans to fly nonstop flights on Saturdays from Milwaukee Mitchell International to Sarasota Bradenton International Airport. The nonstop flights will be available through May 8.

Southwest is also planning to convert its Saturday-only Fort Lauderdale service to daily nonstop flights starting April 12. The change will include nonstop flights to Fort Lauderdale seven days per week, including two nonstops on Saturdays."


I actually just got home a few hours ago from a weekend trip in Fort Lauderdale. I was surprised that daily nonstops on MKE-FLL hadn't returned yet and I flew AA from ORD instead.
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:25 am

There was a crawler on the news about Spirit putting some flights into MKE. Not sure where though.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:13 pm

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There was a crawler on the news about Spirit putting some flights into MKE. Not sure where though.


Yup, MKE nonstop 1x/day to LAX, LAS and MCO starts June 24th. More competition is good in general -- it will be interesting if Southwest or anybody else responds to Los Angeles in particular.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:04 pm

Just saw that daily ATW-DEN service resumes on March 29. With the introduction of ATW-CLT and ATW-SAV in the last couple of months, ATW will have 14 non-stop destinations. Has anybody noticed ATW's growing lead over GRB? Seems like just a few years ago, GRB was big brother to ATW.
 
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:19 am

It is amazing to me that those two airports are so close to one another.
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:29 am

[quote="HCLF" With the introduction of ATW-CLT and ATW-SAV in the last couple of months, ATW will have 14 non-stop destinations.[/quote]

Who's flying ATW-SAV? I'm assuming this is through flight (ATW-XXX-SAV)...

Has anybody noticed ATW's growing lead over GRB? Seems like just a few years ago, GRB was big brother to ATW.


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Who's flying ATW-SAV? I'm assuming this is through flight (ATW-XXX-SAV)...


It's G4 nonstop.
 
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:01 pm

I stand corrected, and thanks! Wouldn't have seen that one coming.
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:53 pm

I flew out of ATW last Friday and back in on Monday, the airport is showing signs of returning to 2019 traffic. Lots of planes were leaving in the early morning bracket, many looked full. The plane I was on to MSP was practically full, same scenario returning to ATW from DTW. I flew Delta and they were sticking with CRJ2s but they are doing well load wise, at least the days I flew. I for one am really hoping Delta begins SLC service, fingers crossed! :)
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:30 pm

It's been wild watching ATW make a decent run at the #2 airport in WI.
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:36 pm

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It's been wild watching ATW make a decent run at the #2 airport in WI.

It really has, living close to the airport I'm glad Allegiant chose ATW instead of GRB, the cheap flights to Vegas and Florida are really nice! Really my ultimate bucket list item would be Southwest, they don't even fly to MSN though. :(
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:56 am

Here are 2020 traffic stats mostly based on T100 market and segment stats.

...2627215..... -61.9% .....Milwaukee
.....829992..... -64.4% .....Madison
.....371545..... -51.7% .....Appleton
.....281623..... -59.4% .....Green Bay
.....106031..... -62.0% .....Wausau
.......87474..... -54.4% .....LaCrosse
.......26905..... -50.5% .....Rhinelander
.......20116..... -58.1% .....Eau Claire

Given how relatively durable leisure travel has been and relatively dead business travel remains, no surprise that ATW (Allegiant) and RHI (northwoods) took less of a hit than others, and Madison suffered the most.

Specific to ATW versus GRB and MSN, here are ratios for the past 4 years

For every 100 GRB passengers, ATW carried this many
99 in 2017
110 in 2018
111 in 2019
131 in 2020

For every 100 MSN passengers, ATW carried this many
30 in 2017
33 in 2018
33 in 2019
45 in 2020
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:00 am

Anyone know if the nonstop Caribbean flights will start up again? I believe iAero was providing the lift.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:10 am

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Anyone know if the nonstop Caribbean flights will start up again? I believe iAero was providing the lift.


I'm guessing you're referencing Milwaukee since it's the only Wisconsin airport with regular Caribbean flights.

This winter's schedule is sharply curtailed from normal but there are three weekly nonstops to Punta Cana this year in addition to Cancun and Los Cabos. In recent years MKE had also seen nonstops to Montego Bay, Cozumel and Puerto Vallarta. Given that snowbird leisure travel is relatively strong and only building I'd guess next winter the international beach markets from Milwaukee will be roughly back to normal.

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Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 am

Yes Knope, I am referring to MKE. I was asking because I haven’t seen any of the flights operate the last week or so. They seemed to operate almost if not daily but haven’t seen any pretty much all this month.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:52 pm

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Yes Knope, I am referring to MKE. I was asking because I haven’t seen any of the flights operate the last week or so. They seemed to operate almost if not daily but haven’t seen any pretty much all this month.


I believe they are only weekend now, and possibly only once a week. Normally the Cancun flight was daily ontop of the Delta and Southwest Cancun weekend flights. Now it's just the Apple Vacation / Funjet once a week charter flight. Very sad.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:54 pm

They have been running the six weekly beach nonstops -- for some reason they are hard to find unless you have the flight number.

Punta Cana has been operating Saturdays and Wednesdays including today 3/17 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 501
Cancun has been operating Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, most recently yesterday 316 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 503
Los Cabos has been operating Fridays, most recently on 3/12 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 507

The contract was apparently for just a single plane this year -- back when this was all finalized (usually late summer for the following season, I believe) nobody knew what to expect. So there's only one plane this year where we normally have 2 covering beach flying, and sometimes they even have a plane do two trips on a peak day. I'm guessing we'll see a significant rebound next season. Cancun in particular is rough -- some years we have has as many as 10 weekly nonstops. The market has been shifting more towards Punta Cana -- 3x/week is not bad for that market; I think it peaked last year at 4x/week. But Cancun is popular enough still to have more flights next season when the pandemic is less of an impact.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:41 pm

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It is amazing to me that those two airports are so close to one another.


Referring to GRB and ATW. There was a third, OSH. I remember when OSH was a big player in WI, seems like ZW at ATW, took them out.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

Does anyone have any recent info about that plan to demolish Concourse E and build a new "international terminal" in its spot? Is that still moving ahead or did it get put on hold because of the pandemic?
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:26 pm

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Does anyone have any recent info about that plan to demolish Concourse E and build a new "international terminal" in its spot? Is that still moving ahead or did it get put on hold because of the pandemic?

Pre-covid, it had been reported that this project was funded (the airport is, sadly, county-owned) but nothing that I've seen/heard since then.
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:32 pm

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They have been running the six weekly beach nonstops -- for some reason they are hard to find unless you have the flight number.

Punta Cana has been operating Saturdays and Wednesdays including today 3/17 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 501
Cancun has been operating Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, most recently yesterday 316 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 503
Los Cabos has been operating Fridays, most recently on 3/12 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 507

The contract was apparently for just a single plane this year -- back when this was all finalized (usually late summer for the following season, I believe) nobody knew what to expect. So there's only one plane this year where we normally have 2 covering beach flying, and sometimes they even have a plane do two trips on a peak day. I'm guessing we'll see a significant rebound next season. Cancun in particular is rough -- some years we have has as many as 10 weekly nonstops. The market has been shifting more towards Punta Cana -- 3x/week is not bad for that market; I think it peaked last year at 4x/week. But Cancun is popular enough still to have more flights next season when the pandemic is less of an impact.

I believe WN and DL used to have weekend-only CUN flights, pre-pandemic. While not international, it's been nice to see UA's Florida "sun" flight nonstops.
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:35 am

knope2001 wrote:
They have been running the six weekly beach nonstops -- for some reason they are hard to find unless you have the flight number.

Punta Cana has been operating Saturdays and Wednesdays including today 3/17 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 501
Cancun has been operating Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, most recently yesterday 316 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 503
Los Cabos has been operating Fridays, most recently on 3/12 -- you can see history under SWQ flight 507

The contract was apparently for just a single plane this year -- back when this was all finalized (usually late summer for the following season, I believe) nobody knew what to expect. So there's only one plane this year where we normally have 2 covering beach flying, and sometimes they even have a plane do two trips on a peak day. I'm guessing we'll see a significant rebound next season. Cancun in particular is rough -- some years we have has as many as 10 weekly nonstops. The market has been shifting more towards Punta Cana -- 3x/week is not bad for that market; I think it peaked last year at 4x/week. But Cancun is popular enough still to have more flights next season when the pandemic is less of an impact.

Thanks for all the information Knope!
 
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:53 am

Today out of MKE Delta is flying a 757 to ORD, definitely a charter of some sort but cool to see a plane so big on a route dominated by CRJs. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMKE/KORD
 
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:27 am

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Today out of MKE Delta is flying a 757 to ORD, definitely a charter of some sort but cool to see a plane so big on a route dominated by CRJs. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMKE/KORD


Most likely a repo flight to start an NBA charter.


GSPSPOT wrote:
I believe WN and DL used to have weekend-only CUN flights, pre-pandemic. While not international, it's been nice to see UA's Florida "sun" flight nonstops.


DL definitely ran Sat. only MKECUN nonstops.
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:06 pm

Just poking around the web and it looks like United is bringing back MSN - SFO/LAX non-stops this summer. Both on E-175s operated by SkyWest, flights 5780 and 5962 respectively. EDIT. MSN - SEA is also coming back this summer on Sun Country as well.
 
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Just poking around the web and it looks like United is bringing back MSN - SFO/LAX non-stops this summer. Both on E-175s operated by SkyWest, flights 5780 and 5962 respectively. EDIT. MSN - SEA is also coming back this summer on Sun Country as well.


I wouldn't read too much into the United flights -- they're normally year-round (SFO was even going to go briefly mainline last summer) but have been canceled on a month-by-month rolling basis since last spring.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:47 pm

What do you guys think the likelihood of Southwest starting service to ATW, GRB, or MSN is? I used to live in Texas where they dominate and they were my favorite to fly. All they fly out of in Wisconsin is MKE, which they seem to be doing ok in. Any of the three airports I mentioned would be nice since I am either in Appleton or Madison throughout the year. Sometimes I wish they had a regional affiliate to open up smaller routes! I think the chances are pretty close to 0 right now but Southwest expansion in Wisconsin would be great!
 
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Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:51 am

I saw on the AA thread that ATW is trying to get service to DFW using a 76 seat regional once per day, this would be really nice to see as I actually have family in Dallas. If this happens I never thought I would get a nonstop from ATW besides Vegas!
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Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:23 am

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What do you guys think the likelihood of Southwest starting service to ATW, GRB, or MSN is?


Before this year, I would have just laughed the idea off. In 2021, anything's possible.

I think MSN is too close to MKE, MDW, and ORD for their liking, but...
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masonh2479 wrote:
What do you guys think the likelihood of Southwest starting service to ATW, GRB, or MSN is?


Before this year, I would have just laughed the idea off. In 2021, anything's possible.

I think MSN is too close to MKE, MDW, and ORD for their liking, but...


I think it's too small of a market for WN. If you look at areas where WN has a saturation of service, the LA area with LAX, ONT, LGB, BUR. Or the Bay Area with SFO, SJC, OAK. I just think MSN and the Appleton/Green Bay area is just not big enough, especially when WN now operates MKE, MDW and ORD. You are correct with 2021 crazier things can happen, but with Sun Country and Frontier at MSN, Allegiant at Appleton and Frontier at Green Bay, I just do not see it. If anything I want WN to expand more at MKE
 
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Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:25 pm

NWAESC wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
What do you guys think the likelihood of Southwest starting service to ATW, GRB, or MSN is?


Before this year, I would have just laughed the idea off. In 2021, anything's possible.

I think MSN is too close to MKE, MDW, and ORD for their liking, but...

For sure I agree that in the past this idea would have been laughable. I really don’t see it happening to ATW or GRB, no matter how much I would like them to start service. I do think that MSN is possible, but pretty slim. Recently I have noticed airlines adding unique city pairs and I was hoping Southwest would follow, maybe!
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:04 pm

Nice to see Milwaukee getting some love in the current environment of leisure-travel-is-king with new UA nonstops to Savannah, Charleston, Pensacola, Portland ME and Myrtle Beach.

These are 50-seat RJ's -- it's not clear if some or all will be the (normally) 70-seat CRJ-700 retrofitted to 50 seats with first, economy plus and economy seating or if some or all will be standard all-coach RJ's. Summer only and just a couple times of week each but the nonstops are nice, and it's a foot in the door.

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Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:58 pm

looks like CRJ200 for MKE. that might be why MKE gets SAV instead of HHH like all the other Midwest adds. the 200 might be constrained operationally at HHH.
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:39 pm

A good day for Florida. Southwest is adding Saturday-only nonstops to Fort Walton Beach / Destin. Also on Saturdays Fort Lauderdale will be 2x and the new Sarasota flights which were only going to be a few weeks in late April/early May have been pushed through summer now as well.

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looks like CRJ200 for MKE. that might be why MKE gets SAV instead of HHH like all the other Midwest adds. the 200 might be constrained operationally at HHH.


That makes sense -- I think these flights are on Air Wisconsin who only flies CRJ's
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:44 pm

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A good day for Florida. Southwest is adding Saturday-only nonstops to Fort Walton Beach / Destin. Also on Saturdays Fort Lauderdale will be 2x and the new Sarasota flights which were only going to be a few weeks in late April/early May have been pushed through summer now as well.

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looks like CRJ200 for MKE. that might be why MKE gets SAV instead of HHH like all the other Midwest adds. the 200 might be constrained operationally at HHH.


Woohoo! I wondered if MKE-SRQ would ever make a comeback in some way, plus enough people go to Destin/Gulf Coast of Florida that this should work in Winter and Spring.

Definitely going to try and make a trip to one of these, family near VPS and went to HHH in November, it was awesome.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:39 pm

Very hopeful these new routes all do well enough to be served by somebody in the future. Obviously there's a fair chance United may not see this exact experiment as a long-term recurring thing as travel demand continues to evolve. I wouldn't exactly bet that in summer 2025 there will still be twice-weekly United nonstop RJ's from Milwaukee to Myrtle Beach, for example. But there is a good chance some of these routes will be picked up by somebody on a seasonal/less-than-daily basis in the future if they do okay. This sort of flying has really blossomed in recent years by Allegiant and to some extent by Spirit, Frontier and Sun Country. Allegiant was not successful in Milwaukee on their very limited entry into high-volume leisure markets and as a result we don't have the carrier most likely to serve markets like this. Southwest's evolving model is about to give us weekly Destin/Fort Walton Beach flights, a destination market Allegiant has been pounding heavily as of late. If this summer's weekly flights to Fort Walton Beach and Sarasota do well I think there's a very good chance we'll see them return next winter and perhaps with greater frequency. And possibly even things like weekly (or more than just weekly) flights to places like Charleston or Myrtle Beach in season.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:54 am

If Spirit's initial flights (and UA's stab at some of these markets) perform well enough, I could see them connecting MKE to some of their stronger markets like Myrtle Beach, New Orleans, Ft. Lauderdale.
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:07 am

Its great to see United get into the MKE market with something besides hub service even though it is express. I have been driving to ORD for travel to avoid Southwest for several years now.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:08 am

masonh2479 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
It's been wild watching ATW make a decent run at the #2 airport in WI.

It really has, living close to the airport I'm glad Allegiant chose ATW instead of GRB, the cheap flights to Vegas and Florida are really nice! Really my ultimate bucket list item would be Southwest, they don't even fly to MSN though. :(

They chose GRB first, then moved over to ATW.
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:11 am

sprxUSA wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
It's been wild watching ATW make a decent run at the #2 airport in WI.

It really has, living close to the airport I'm glad Allegiant chose ATW instead of GRB, the cheap flights to Vegas and Florida are really nice! Really my ultimate bucket list item would be Southwest, they don't even fly to MSN though. :(

They chose GRB first, then moved over to ATW.

Yes, that is true, I am glad they switched to ATW.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:15 pm

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If Spirit's initial flights (and UA's stab at some of these markets) perform well enough, I could see them connecting MKE to some of their stronger markets like Myrtle Beach, New Orleans, Ft. Lauderdale.


I am still surprised Spirit did not add FLL. My take is the lack of people going on cruises makes that a little less desirable right now. Especially with Southwest flying to FLL and American to Miami. Myrtle Beach and New Orleans seems like no brainers seasonally for Spirit. I am of the belief that Spirit will do well out of MKE. Especially the LAX route.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:46 pm

UA Express adds ORD-RHI for summer season

https://starjournalnow.com/2021/03/30/u ... o-chicago/
 
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UA Express adds ORD-RHI for summer season

https://starjournalnow.com/2021/03/30/u ... o-chicago/


Good to see -- the twice-daily EAS CRJ's which runs year-round does nothing to adjust for the big summer peak. In recent years Skywest has added an unsubsidized third MSP flight but adding a Chicago trip should do well. Much of the second home owners in that part of Wisconsin come from Chicago, and the drive to northern Wisconsin (5-6 hours) is pretty similar to the drive from Chicago to northwest lower Michigan. Not that RHI = TVC of course but a decent number of people fly to avoid the drive to Traverse City -- in Q3 of 2019 it was about 59/day each way just doing local Chicago-Traverse City. Just a small fraction of that plus connecting traffic should put good loads on the 1x/day ORD-RHI trip in Q3 2021.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:51 am

knope2001 wrote:
Allegiant was not successful in Milwaukee on their very limited entry into high-volume leisure markets and as a result we don't have the carrier most likely to serve markets like this. Southwest's evolving model is about to give us weekly Destin/Fort Walton Beach flights, a destination market Allegiant has been pounding heavily as of late. If this summer's weekly flights to Fort Walton Beach and Sarasota do well I think there's a very good chance we'll see them return next winter and perhaps with greater frequency. And possibly even things like weekly (or more than just weekly) flights to places like Charleston or Myrtle Beach in season.


G4 did not face the very same issues in the CVG market 7 years ago as
(a) G4 entered the CVG market prior to F9 serving any Florida destinations nonstop from CVG,
(b) WN wasn't serving CVG at the time of G4's entry into the CVG market,
(c) DL and AA were the only other airlines serving Florida destinations nonstop from CVG at the time of G4's entry into the CVG market in February 2014 (even though F9 would start nonstop service out of CVG to Florida destinations later that year), and
(d) G4 added a few nonstop routes out of CVG that weren't served nonstop by other carriers such as CVG-JAX/MYR/MSY in late 2014 (but started CVG-JAX/MSY in February 2015).

On the other hand, both WN and F9 were already established in the MKE market at the time of G4's entry into the MKE market, and G4 also faced nonstop competition from both F9 and WN on its nonstop routes out of MKE.
 
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Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:09 am

Have they started tearing down Concourse E at MKE yet?

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