Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
masonh2479
Posts: 217
Joined: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:44 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:35 pm

UWPAviation wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
Saw on the ATW Facebook page that Allegiant is making us a crew base in 2022. It seems like time for ATW to add new gates!

https://www.wbay.com/2021/08/10/allegiant-set-up-base-operations-appleton-international-airport/ 2 A320s and 66 jobs. A 50 million dollar investment starting on March 2,2022.


Wow that's huge! Good job ATW! Let's hope Allegiant keeps it open for a long time. I wonder what the response from other carriers will be?

I'm hoping AA starts the DFW flight they were given a grant for recently. Other than that, ATW is actually running out of gate space, a huge improvement from April of 2020! I have been hoping Delta would decide to start service to a west coast destination, probably SLC. United seems to be doing ok in the DEN route.
 
User avatar
knope2001
Posts: 3088
Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:54 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:12 pm

The Allegiant base at ATW is one of about two-dozen points in their system like this...Appleton and Flint are the newest. Beyond the jobs benefit and the vote of confidence in ATW as a station on their network, it brings a few more positives:

--ATW will have more of their flights be early-morning departures/late evening arrivals, which tend to be preferred by more people.

--With aircraft and crews overnighting here that tends to improve operational reliability including in irregular operations (not saying it is in need of improvement)

--Although there's no guarantee of new markets being added, the likelihood is greater Appleton may see a few more warm-weather destinations this winter and perhaps things like Newark, Boston and Los Angeles. Possibly seasonally and certainly non-daily, but they still represent a useful service leisure travelers will patronize.
 
MIflyer12
Posts: 9991
Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:58 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:45 pm

knope2001 wrote:
The Allegiant base at ATW is one of about two-dozen points in their system like this...Appleton and Flint are the newest. Beyond the jobs benefit and the vote of confidence in ATW as a station on their network, it brings a few more positives:

--ATW will have more of their flights be early-morning departures/late evening arrivals, which tend to be preferred by more people.

--With aircraft and crews overnighting here that tends to improve operational reliability including in irregular operations (not saying it is in need of improvement)

--Although there's no guarantee of new markets being added, the likelihood is greater Appleton may see a few more warm-weather destinations this winter and perhaps things like Newark, Boston and Los Angeles. Possibly seasonally and certainly non-daily, but they still represent a useful service leisure travelers will patronize.


Those points are true, but how does Allegiant do pilot bidding? If it's restricted by base then fragmenting crew across many bases also has significant costs, and small crew allocations themselves impede reliability.
 
jplatts
Posts: 4817
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of MKE in May 2021:
ATL-MKE - 6166 passengers, 9378 seats, 65.75% load factor
BNA-MKE - 15052 passengers, 17864 seats, 84.26% load factor
BWI-MKE - 13856 passengers, 16750 seats, 82.72% load factor
DAL-MKE - 3657 passengers, 4420 seats, 82.74% load factor
DCA-MKE - 6071 passengers, 8866 seats, 68.48% load factor
DEN-MKE - 22951 passengers, 26740 seats, 85.83% load factor
FLL-MKE - 5916 passengers, 10808 seats, 54.74% load factor
HOU-MKE - 7493 passengers, 9954 seats, 75.28% load factor
LAS-MKE - 17222 passengers, 19492 seats, 88.35% load factor
MCO-MKE - 21895 passengers, 29216 seats, 74.94% load factor
MKE-PHX - 23097 passengers, 28970 seats, 79.73% load factor
MKE-RSW - 12294 passengers, 19262 seats, 63.83% load factor
MKE-SRQ - 829 passengers, 1430 seats, 57.97% load factor
MKE-STL - 11569 passengers, 14054 seats, 82.32% load factor
MKE-TPA - 10798 passengers, 14660 seats, 73.66% load factor
 
MSNflyer
Posts: 9
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:31 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:56 pm

Some more good news recently for MSN -- United announced today they are resuming MSN-EWR September 8. Frontier resumed flights from Madison to Las Vegas a couple weeks ago, and American is launching 1x/week seasonal service from Madison to Miami in November.

Article from Wisconsin State Journal on resumption of United service to Newark: United Airlines adding daily direct flights to Newark, NJ starting Sept. 8

Cap Times: Taking Flight nonstop routes returning to Madison airports sooner than expected
 
jplatts
Posts: 4817
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:00 pm

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of MKE in June 2021:
ATL-MKE - 7093 passengers, 8740 seats, 81.16% load factor
BNA-MKE - 15991 passengers, 18152 seats, 88.09% load factor
BWI-MKE - 15838 passengers, 18062 seats, 87.69% load factor
DAL-MKE - 6523 passengers, 7312 seats, 89.21% load factor
DCA-MKE - 6305 passengers, 7754 seats, 81.31% load factor
DEN-MKE - 25825 passengers, 31013 seats, 83.27% load factor
FLL-MKE - 5145 passengers, 7564 seats, 68.02% load factor
HOU-MKE - 6158 passengers, 7613 seats, 80.89% load factor
LAS-MKE - 25045 passengers, 27626 seats, 90.66% load factor
MCO-MKE - 22760 passengers, 28674 seats, 79.38% load factor
MIA-MKE - 219 passengers, 890 seats, 24.61% load factor
MKE-PHX - 19080 passengers, 21387 seats, 89.21% load factor
MKE-RSW - 7970 passengers, 11348 seats, 70.23% load factor
MKE-SRQ - 978 passengers, 2288 seats, 42.74% load factor
MKE-STL - 8380 passengers, 10140 seats, 82.64% load factor
MKE-TPA - 9526 passengers, 10998 seats, 86.62% load factor
 
User avatar
AAlaxfan
Posts: 721
Joined: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:08 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:49 pm

jplatts,
Can you get the past LF's for LAX-MKE?
 
jplatts
Posts: 4817
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:29 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
jplatts,
Can you get the past LF's for LAX-MKE?


Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN LAX-MKE nonstop service in 2019:
LAX-MKE in 1/2019 - 4624 passengers, 7491 seats, 61.73% load factor
LAX-MKE in 2/2019 - 4980 passengers, 7508 seats, 66.33% load factor
LAX-MKE in 3/2019 - 6702 passengers, 7724 seats, 86.77% load factor
LAX-MKE in 4/2019 - 6596 passengers, 7948 seats, 82.99% load factor
LAX-MKE in 5/2019 - 6554 passengers, 8379 seats, 78.22% load factor
LAX-MKE in 6/2019 - 7986 passengers, 8776 seats, 91.00% load factor
LAX-MKE in 7/2019 - 9056 passengers, 9619 seats, 94.15% load factor
LAX-MKE in 8/2019 - 8840 passengers, 9378 seats, 94.26% load factor
LAX-MKE in 9/2019 - 8717 passengers, 9604 seats, 90.76% load factor
LAX-MKE in 10/2019 - 7461 passengers, 9830 seats, 75.90% load factor
LAX-MKE in 11/2019 - 7350 passengers, 8712 seats, 84.37% load factor
LAX-MKE in 12/2019 - 7782 passengers, 8569 seats, 90.82% load factor
 
UWPAviation
Posts: 165
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:36 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:03 pm

jplatts wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
jplatts,
Can you get the past LF's for LAX-MKE?


Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN LAX-MKE nonstop service in 2019:
LAX-MKE in 1/2019 - 4624 passengers, 7491 seats, 61.73% load factor
LAX-MKE in 2/2019 - 4980 passengers, 7508 seats, 66.33% load factor
LAX-MKE in 3/2019 - 6702 passengers, 7724 seats, 86.77% load factor
LAX-MKE in 4/2019 - 6596 passengers, 7948 seats, 82.99% load factor
LAX-MKE in 5/2019 - 6554 passengers, 8379 seats, 78.22% load factor
LAX-MKE in 6/2019 - 7986 passengers, 8776 seats, 91.00% load factor
LAX-MKE in 7/2019 - 9056 passengers, 9619 seats, 94.15% load factor
LAX-MKE in 8/2019 - 8840 passengers, 9378 seats, 94.26% load factor
LAX-MKE in 9/2019 - 8717 passengers, 9604 seats, 90.76% load factor
LAX-MKE in 10/2019 - 7461 passengers, 9830 seats, 75.90% load factor
LAX-MKE in 11/2019 - 7350 passengers, 8712 seats, 84.37% load factor
LAX-MKE in 12/2019 - 7782 passengers, 8569 seats, 90.82% load factor


If anyone could answer it would be great. Why hasn't WN restarted MKE-LAX? I know they are doing some flights around thanksgiving. Is it the lack of planes or staff? I flew MKE-LAX frequently and the flights were always at minimum 80% full. Just very shocked, especially with NK now flying to LAX, WN hasn't brought that flight back. More shocked with that then WN not bringing back LGA.
 
phxtravelboy
Posts: 343
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:42 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:04 pm

UWPAviation wrote:
jplatts wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
jplatts,
Can you get the past LF's for LAX-MKE?


Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN LAX-MKE nonstop service in 2019:
LAX-MKE in 1/2019 - 4624 passengers, 7491 seats, 61.73% load factor
LAX-MKE in 2/2019 - 4980 passengers, 7508 seats, 66.33% load factor
LAX-MKE in 3/2019 - 6702 passengers, 7724 seats, 86.77% load factor
LAX-MKE in 4/2019 - 6596 passengers, 7948 seats, 82.99% load factor
LAX-MKE in 5/2019 - 6554 passengers, 8379 seats, 78.22% load factor
LAX-MKE in 6/2019 - 7986 passengers, 8776 seats, 91.00% load factor
LAX-MKE in 7/2019 - 9056 passengers, 9619 seats, 94.15% load factor
LAX-MKE in 8/2019 - 8840 passengers, 9378 seats, 94.26% load factor
LAX-MKE in 9/2019 - 8717 passengers, 9604 seats, 90.76% load factor
LAX-MKE in 10/2019 - 7461 passengers, 9830 seats, 75.90% load factor
LAX-MKE in 11/2019 - 7350 passengers, 8712 seats, 84.37% load factor
LAX-MKE in 12/2019 - 7782 passengers, 8569 seats, 90.82% load factor


If anyone could answer it would be great. Why hasn't WN restarted MKE-LAX? I know they are doing some flights around thanksgiving. Is it the lack of planes or staff? I flew MKE-LAX frequently and the flights were always at minimum 80% full. Just very shocked, especially with NK now flying to LAX, WN hasn't brought that flight back. More shocked with that then WN not bringing back LGA.



I know. Historically, except for during the YX days, MKE has had AWFUL service to CA which is baffling. The most populous state in the country with almost 40 million people, yet MKE has had virtually ZERO nonstop service. I mean even pre Covid, the ONLY nonstop was basically WN to LAX. WN had SAN but that was off/on too. Why does UA not fly nonstop to SFO? Why does WN not fly nonstop to SAN, LAX, and OAK? Or AS to SAN since they have a focus city there? The lack of interest by carriers to connect MKE nonstop to the golden state is just baffling. I don't want to hear the tired argument that airline X can simply connect the pax via their hubs. If that's the case, then why do MCI, IND, STL, amongst other cities, have nonstop service to CA? Their pax could also connect via a hub.
 
User avatar
mke717spotter
Posts: 2240
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:32 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:55 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
Why does UA not fly nonstop to SFO?

Well back in January 2020 UA did announce seasonal MKE-SFO that was supposed to commence that summer, but then obviously COVID hit. According to Wikipedia MSN-SFO/LAX is supposed to resume in February.
 
Planeboy17
Posts: 560
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:18 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:05 pm

I just saw on FR24 that a Virgin Atlantic 350K is inbound to MKE right now. ETA is just after noon. Does anyone have any information on this flight? Did they start a new cargo route or is this some one off flight?
 
commpilot
Posts: 146
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:21 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:05 pm

Ryder Cup at SBM. Plane will sit and ferry out tomorrow.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/VIR649-1632112796-ed-0005
 
Planeboy17
Posts: 560
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:18 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:08 pm

commpilot wrote:
Ryder Cup at SBM. Plane will sit and ferry out tomorrow.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/VIR649-1632112796-ed-0005

Thank you. I completely forgot about that. Good day for spotting at MKE today!
 
commpilot
Posts: 146
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:21 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:09 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
commpilot wrote:
Ryder Cup at SBM. Plane will sit and ferry out tomorrow.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/VIR649-1632112796-ed-0005

Thank you. I completely forgot about that. Good day for spotting at MKE today!


The plane will ferry back next week to pick up.
 
pmanni1
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 am

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:40 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
UWPAviation wrote:
jplatts wrote:

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN LAX-MKE nonstop service in 2019:
LAX-MKE in 1/2019 - 4624 passengers, 7491 seats, 61.73% load factor
LAX-MKE in 2/2019 - 4980 passengers, 7508 seats, 66.33% load factor
LAX-MKE in 3/2019 - 6702 passengers, 7724 seats, 86.77% load factor
LAX-MKE in 4/2019 - 6596 passengers, 7948 seats, 82.99% load factor
LAX-MKE in 5/2019 - 6554 passengers, 8379 seats, 78.22% load factor
LAX-MKE in 6/2019 - 7986 passengers, 8776 seats, 91.00% load factor
LAX-MKE in 7/2019 - 9056 passengers, 9619 seats, 94.15% load factor
LAX-MKE in 8/2019 - 8840 passengers, 9378 seats, 94.26% load factor
LAX-MKE in 9/2019 - 8717 passengers, 9604 seats, 90.76% load factor
LAX-MKE in 10/2019 - 7461 passengers, 9830 seats, 75.90% load factor
LAX-MKE in 11/2019 - 7350 passengers, 8712 seats, 84.37% load factor
LAX-MKE in 12/2019 - 7782 passengers, 8569 seats, 90.82% load factor


If anyone could answer it would be great. Why hasn't WN restarted MKE-LAX? I know they are doing some flights around thanksgiving. Is it the lack of planes or staff? I flew MKE-LAX frequently and the flights were always at minimum 80% full. Just very shocked, especially with NK now flying to LAX, WN hasn't brought that flight back. More shocked with that then WN not bringing back LGA.



I know. Historically, except for during the YX days, MKE has had AWFUL service to CA which is baffling. The most populous state in the country with almost 40 million people, yet MKE has had virtually ZERO nonstop service. I mean even pre Covid, the ONLY nonstop was basically WN to LAX. WN had SAN but that was off/on too. Why does UA not fly nonstop to SFO? Why does WN not fly nonstop to SAN, LAX, and OAK? Or AS to SAN since they have a focus city there? The lack of interest by carriers to connect MKE nonstop to the golden state is just baffling. I don't want to hear the tired argument that airline X can simply connect the pax via their hubs. If that's the case, then why do MCI, IND, STL, amongst other cities, have nonstop service to CA? Their pax could also connect via a hub.

IND & MCI metro areas have nearly 500,000 more people than MKE metro. STL has over a million more and is a WN hub. It is odd that MKE doesn't have at least 1 flight to the Bay area or SAN though.
 
jplatts
Posts: 4817
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:33 am

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of MKE in July 2019:
ATL-MKE - 7532 passengers, 8580 seats, 87.79% load factor
BNA-MKE - 17143 passengers, 18724 seats, 91.56% load factor
BWI-MKE - 18195 passengers, 19575 seats, 92.95% load factor
DAL-MKE - 7599 passengers, 8042 seats, 94.49% load factor
DCA-MKE - 6299 passengers, 7150 seats, 88.10% load factor
DEN-MKE - 29544 passengers, 33350 seats, 88.59% load factor
FLL-MKE - 5025 passengers, 7882 seats, 63.75% load factor
HOU-MKE - 6090 passengers, 7325 seats, 83.14% load factor
LAS-MKE - 28170 passengers, 30230 seats, 93.19% load factor
MCO-MKE - 22770 passengers, 29481 seats, 77.24% load factor
MIA-MKE - 357 passengers, 1430 seats, 24.97% load factor
MKE-PHX - 19621 passengers, 20845 seats, 94.13% load factor
MKE-RSW - 6270 passengers, 10697 seats, 58.61% load factor
MKE-SRQ - 1107 passengers, 2717 seats, 40.74% load factor
MKE-STL - 7753 passengers, 9154 seats, 84.70% load factor
MKE-TPA - 9579 passengers, 11760 seats, 81.45% load factor
MKE-VPS - 545 passengers, 1430 seats, 38.11% load factor

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos