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Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:53 am

Welcome to the Hawaiian Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:33 pm

ch-aviation notes that Mokulele will take over Ohana's unsubsidized EAS service to Molokai and Lanai. Notably, they state they will use twin engine aircraft in accordance with EAS requirements, though Mokulele only operates single engine Caravans (and possibly still the PC-12?). I did see on Wikipedia that their parent company, Southern Airways Express, has a couple of Piper Chieftains, perhaps they'll be sending one or both of them to Hawaii?

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... m-hawaiian
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:55 am

...another perspective on the departure of Ohana from Molokai and Lanai:

https://themolokaidispatch.com/ohana-by-hawaiian-halts-flights/
“Our low levels of inter-island flying, caused by depressed demand across our network due to travel restrictions, triggered a provision in our labor contracts that prevents us from offering this third-party passenger and all-cargo service,” wrote Executive Vice President and COO Jon Snook in the letter that employees received last Wednesday, Jan. 6.


..and a broader discussion of the local market, Mr. Snook continued:

wrote Snook. “It is unclear when demand will recover sufficiently to allow us to return to Molokai, Lanai, or Kapalua in West Maui, or to reinstate all-cargo Neighbor Island service. I want to thank everyone who worked in good faith to navigate this unexpected and difficult challenge and send a special mahalo to the employees who have supported the operation to this point.”https://themolokaidispatch.com/ohana-by-hawaiian-halts-flights/


Admittedly, I was a fan of the Ohana concept, brand and operation - however, offer this to help anyone (and in future) explain why this brand is not working, at the moment. Rarely would we get this level of insight, and a discussion with quotes from the COO. That said, here's to hoping that we see a recovery, and/or return of Ohana (and better, stronger, and more capable, in future).
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 am

hawaiian717 wrote:
ch-aviation notes that Mokulele will take over Ohana's unsubsidized EAS service to Molokai and Lanai. Notably, they state they will use twin engine aircraft in accordance with EAS requirements, though Mokulele only operates single engine Caravans (and possibly still the PC-12?). I did see on Wikipedia that their parent company, Southern Airways Express, has a couple of Piper Chieftains, perhaps they'll be sending one or both of them to Hawaii?

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... m-hawaiian



The Chieftains have been removed from the certificate. Southern Airways has been bidding stateside EAS routes with King Air 200s (which it doesn't yet have), but has yet to be successful.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:10 am

What flights could southwest and Alaska add to the islands this year ?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 2:16 am

Will WN move out of the ground level G Gates once the Mauka concourse opens later this year? I’d assume Hawaiian will move most of their operations into the new concourse once it opens by the end of the year and will probably vacate the B and C Gates for non-INTL flights. The B Gates would be a perfect fit for WN and would allow their inter-island passengers to no longer have to go through any Agricultural checks.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 2:23 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Will WN move out of the ground level G Gates once the Mauka concourse opens later this year? I’d assume Hawaiian will move most of their operations into the new concourse once it opens by the end of the year and will probably vacate the B and C Gates for non-INTL flights. The B Gates would be a perfect fit for WN and would allow their inter-island passengers to no longer have to go through any Agricultural checks.

It should be interesting what they do especially with there big expansion on the Horizon for them in HNL they must be doing something to find room for all the new flights there going to add in the expansion i heave heard but I’m not for sure that they at least right now are going to get to use two of the jetways ?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 2:33 am

Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Will WN move out of the ground level G Gates once the Mauka concourse opens later this year? I’d assume Hawaiian will move most of their operations into the new concourse once it opens by the end of the year and will probably vacate the B and C Gates for non-INTL flights. The B Gates would be a perfect fit for WN and would allow their inter-island passengers to no longer have to go through any Agricultural checks.

It should be interesting what they do especially with there big expansion on the Horizon for them in HNL they must be doing something to find room for all the new flights there going to add in the expansion i heave heard but I’m not for sure that they at least right now are going to get to use two of the jetways ?


So perhaps they are staying on G then but will get access to some of the upstairs jetway Gates? B seems like a perfect fit for them as there are 5 Gates (vs the 4 they have now) and it’s right in the middle between the Inter-Island terminal and the overseas terminal so local inter-island customers wouldn’t need to go through agriculture checkpoints. Didn’t Aloha Airlines use the B Gates before Hawaiian?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 3:02 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Will WN move out of the ground level G Gates once the Mauka concourse opens later this year? I’d assume Hawaiian will move most of their operations into the new concourse once it opens by the end of the year and will probably vacate the B and C Gates for non-INTL flights. The B Gates would be a perfect fit for WN and would allow their inter-island passengers to no longer have to go through any Agricultural checks.

It should be interesting what they do especially with there big expansion on the Horizon for them in HNL they must be doing something to find room for all the new flights there going to add in the expansion i heave heard but I’m not for sure that they at least right now are going to get to use two of the jetways ?


So perhaps they are staying on G then but will get access to some of the upstairs jetway Gates? B seems like a perfect fit for them as there are 5 Gates (vs the 4 they have now) and it’s right in the middle between the Inter-Island terminal and the overseas terminal so local inter-island customers wouldn’t need to go through agriculture checkpoints. Didn’t Aloha Airlines use the B Gates before Hawaiian?

I’m not sure where Aloha airlines used to use but I think at least what I heard was that they wanted to have 6–7 gates total so im not sure there is enough gates in B to accommodate their needs is there ?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:14 am

Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:18 am

Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
It should be interesting what they do especially with there big expansion on the Horizon for them in HNL they must be doing something to find room for all the new flights there going to add in the expansion i heave heard but I’m not for sure that they at least right now are going to get to use two of the jetways ?


So perhaps they are staying on G then but will get access to some of the upstairs jetway Gates? B seems like a perfect fit for them as there are 5 Gates (vs the 4 they have now) and it’s right in the middle between the Inter-Island terminal and the overseas terminal so local inter-island customers wouldn’t need to go through agriculture checkpoints. Didn’t Aloha Airlines use the B Gates before Hawaiian?

I’m not sure where Aloha airlines used to use but I think at least what I heard was that they wanted to have 6–7 gates total so im not sure there is enough gates in B to accommodate their needs is there ?


Perhaps they could spill over into some of the high A Gates (Like A20 & A19) but I’m not sure if Hawaiian would be too found of that. The Mauka concourse will have a total of 12 new gates but it’s also designed to handle widebody aircrafts in which case, an adjacent gate must be blocked off. I’m not so sure where else WN could go? I doubt the airport authority would want to put WN at widebody gates in G and there’s no room in E with AS, AA, and DL usually taking up most of the gates.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 3:24 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

So perhaps they are staying on G then but will get access to some of the upstairs jetway Gates? B seems like a perfect fit for them as there are 5 Gates (vs the 4 they have now) and it’s right in the middle between the Inter-Island terminal and the overseas terminal so local inter-island customers wouldn’t need to go through agriculture checkpoints. Didn’t Aloha Airlines use the B Gates before Hawaiian?

I’m not sure where Aloha airlines used to use but I think at least what I heard was that they wanted to have 6–7 gates total so im not sure there is enough gates in B to accommodate their needs is there ?


Perhaps they could spill over into some of the high A Gates (Like A20 & A19) but I’m not sure if Hawaiian would be too found of that. The Mauka concourse will have a total of 12 new gates but it’s also designed to handle widebody aircrafts in which case, an adjacent gate must be blocked off. I’m not so sure where else WN could go? I doubt the airport authority would want to put WN at widebody gates in G and there’s no room in E with AS, AA, and DL usually taking up most of the gates.

Well I would assume they find somewhere for there needs if there going to keep adding flights there and having a meaningful Schedule and I mean maybe it’s just temporary but I’m pretty sure from what I heard they will use two G Gates at least for now so I could see them giving those gates to them permanently are the five gates in B all narrow body they could move airlines around too ?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 3:32 am

Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
I’m not sure where Aloha airlines used to use but I think at least what I heard was that they wanted to have 6–7 gates total so im not sure there is enough gates in B to accommodate their needs is there ?


Perhaps they could spill over into some of the high A Gates (Like A20 & A19) but I’m not sure if Hawaiian would be too found of that. The Mauka concourse will have a total of 12 new gates but it’s also designed to handle widebody aircrafts in which case, an adjacent gate must be blocked off. I’m not so sure where else WN could go? I doubt the airport authority would want to put WN at widebody gates in G and there’s no room in E with AS, AA, and DL usually taking up most of the gates.

Well I would assume they find somewhere for there needs if there going to keep adding flights there and having a meaningful Schedule and I mean maybe it’s just temporary but I’m pretty sure from what I heard they will use two G Gates at least for now so I could see them giving those gates to them permanently are the five gates in B all narrow body they could move airlines around too ?


Yes the B gates are all narrowbody only gates so it would be difficult to move anyone other than WN or HA into those gates. I guess using the 2 widebody jetway gates in G shouldn’t be an issue with limited Canada and Asia INTL flights right now, but if these come back next year then I could see it becoming an issue
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:36 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

Perhaps they could spill over into some of the high A Gates (Like A20 & A19) but I’m not sure if Hawaiian would be too found of that. The Mauka concourse will have a total of 12 new gates but it’s also designed to handle widebody aircrafts in which case, an adjacent gate must be blocked off. I’m not so sure where else WN could go? I doubt the airport authority would want to put WN at widebody gates in G and there’s no room in E with AS, AA, and DL usually taking up most of the gates.

Well I would assume they find somewhere for there needs if there going to keep adding flights there and having a meaningful Schedule and I mean maybe it’s just temporary but I’m pretty sure from what I heard they will use two G Gates at least for now so I could see them giving those gates to them permanently are the five gates in B all narrow body they could move airlines around too ?


Yes the B gates are all narrowbody only gates so it would be difficult to move anyone other than WN or HA into those gates. I guess using the 2 widebody jetway gates in G shouldn’t be an issue with limited Canada and Asia INTL flights right now, but if these come back next year then I could see it becoming an issue
hmm I wonder how this will play out unless they forced someone like Alaska to move to the new concourse is it all going to Hawaiian ?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:47 am

Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Well I would assume they find somewhere for there needs if there going to keep adding flights there and having a meaningful Schedule and I mean maybe it’s just temporary but I’m pretty sure from what I heard they will use two G Gates at least for now so I could see them giving those gates to them permanently are the five gates in B all narrow body they could move airlines around too ?


Yes the B gates are all narrowbody only gates so it would be difficult to move anyone other than WN or HA into those gates. I guess using the 2 widebody jetway gates in G shouldn’t be an issue with limited Canada and Asia INTL flights right now, but if these come back next year then I could see it becoming an issue
hmm I wonder how this will play out unless they forced someone like Alaska to move to the new concourse is it all going to Hawaiian ?


All of the renderings show that it looks like it’s going to be used by only HA but I don’t believe they are going to get all the new added capacity and will vacate some of their current gates they use in either B, C, or D.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:56 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

Yes the B gates are all narrowbody only gates so it would be difficult to move anyone other than WN or HA into those gates. I guess using the 2 widebody jetway gates in G shouldn’t be an issue with limited Canada and Asia INTL flights right now, but if these come back next year then I could see it becoming an issue
hmm I wonder how this will play out unless they forced someone like Alaska to move to the new concourse is it all going to Hawaiian ?


All of the renderings show that it looks like it’s going to be used by only HA but I don’t believe they are going to get all the new added capacity and will vacate some of their current gates they use in either B, C, or D.

WN will figure out something to get the gates the want Idk what it will be but it will mostly likely happen, there’s no better time then now to get what they want at HNL
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Wneast wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

Yes the B gates are all narrowbody only gates so it would be difficult to move anyone other than WN or HA into those gates. I guess using the 2 widebody jetway gates in G shouldn’t be an issue with limited Canada and Asia INTL flights right now, but if these come back next year then I could see it becoming an issue
hmm I wonder how this will play out unless they forced someone like Alaska to move to the new concourse is it all going to Hawaiian ?


All of the renderings show that it looks like it’s going to be used by only HA but I don’t believe they are going to get all the new added capacity and will vacate some of their current gates they use in either B, C, or D.


Let’s just say the politics are a bit um...complicated.

Also keep in mind that while some airlines generally get to keep to their own areas the airport is technically common-use so many go only where there’s room on a given day.
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:31 am

KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


Because vaccines are not 100% effective.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am

KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.

And neither is a flu shot guaranteed to be effective but yet we didn’t see the nation and in this case Hawaii have travel restrictions even with a flu vaccine. I agree. It is 100% ridiculous. I feel bad for all the Hawaiian residents and airline employees affected by these insane requirements. Hope everyone can recover financially, emotionally, etc from the overreaction.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 6:23 am

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What flights could southwest and Alaska add to the islands this year ?

Any route that they currently don’t fly. AS can add service to the islands from GEG, BLI, LAS, PHX, ONT, BUR, SNA, FAT, and DEN, to name a couple. WN can add service from GEG, SEA, PDX, LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SFO, and DEN, to name some.
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Sat May 01, 2021 6:34 am

KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


Because they don’t have an official program in place yet. They said interisland would start first, which begins May 15 and expect a month or so later (hopefully) for trans-pac.
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Sat May 01, 2021 6:54 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


Because they don’t have an official program in place yet. They said interisland would start first, which begins May 15 and expect a month or so later (hopefully) for trans-pac.


The inter-island program actually starts May 11th.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:11 pm

WN 4 G Gates were always going to be temporary. WN saw the opportunity when Island Air closed down to grab its own dedicated gates. Once Hawaiian moves into its new terminal.
HNL airport has plans to rebuild and expand the Diamond Head concourse it's all on public record.
WN future expansion is coming this summer once the MAX8 receives ETOPS certification.
It has been said from different sources WN has secured other gates times throughout the day to increase its Mainland flights.
HNL staff have been trained on how to us the Jetway gates over the last few months.
WN is finally moving to a new it Maintenix tracking system which will give WN more flexibility to increase Hawaii flying vs wrapped everything before the daily 03:00 Herd/ central time system reboot.

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Sat May 01, 2021 3:13 pm

BeachBoy wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


Because vaccines are not 100% effective.

Nothing is 100% effective.
And that includes COVID tests.
What's your point again?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:38 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
WN 4 G Gates were always going to be temporary. WN saw the opportunity when Island Air closed down to grab its own dedicated gates. Once Hawaiian moves into its new terminal.
HNL airport has plans to rebuild and expand the Diamond Head concourse it's all on public record.
WN future expansion is coming this summer once the MAX8 receives ETOPS certification.
It has been said from different sources WN has secured other gates times throughout the day to increase its Mainland flights.
HNL staff have been trained on how to us the Jetway gates over the last few months.
WN is finally moving to a new it Maintenix tracking system which will give WN more flexibility to increase Hawaii flying vs wrapped everything before the daily 03:00 Herd/ central time system reboot.

Flyguy


Will the other gates they get be jetway gates in G that UA typically use or will they be elsewhere?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:09 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
WN 4 G Gates were always going to be temporary. WN saw the opportunity when Island Air closed down to grab its own dedicated gates. Once Hawaiian moves into its new terminal.
HNL airport has plans to rebuild and expand the Diamond Head concourse it's all on public record.
WN future expansion is coming this summer once the MAX8 receives ETOPS certification.
It has been said from different sources WN has secured other gates times throughout the day to increase its Mainland flights.
HNL staff have been trained on how to us the Jetway gates over the last few months.
WN is finally moving to a new it Maintenix tracking system which will give WN more flexibility to increase Hawaii flying vs wrapped everything before the daily 03:00 Herd/ central time system reboot.

Flyguy


Will the other gates they get be jetway gates in G that UA typically use or will they be elsewhere?


WN already uses F1, G1 and G5 from time to time. But as far as scheduled and long term gate/terminal use that hasn’t been determined yet, at least not publicly.
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Sat May 01, 2021 7:29 pm

Silver1SWA wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
WN 4 G Gates were always going to be temporary. WN saw the opportunity when Island Air closed down to grab its own dedicated gates. Once Hawaiian moves into its new terminal.
HNL airport has plans to rebuild and expand the Diamond Head concourse it's all on public record.
WN future expansion is coming this summer once the MAX8 receives ETOPS certification.
It has been said from different sources WN has secured other gates times throughout the day to increase its Mainland flights.
HNL staff have been trained on how to us the Jetway gates over the last few months.
WN is finally moving to a new it Maintenix tracking system which will give WN more flexibility to increase Hawaii flying vs wrapped everything before the daily 03:00 Herd/ central time system reboot.

Flyguy


Will the other gates they get be jetway gates in G that UA typically use or will they be elsewhere?


WN already uses F1, G1 and G5 from time to time. But as far as scheduled and long term gate/terminal use that hasn’t been determined yet, at least not publicly.


Interesting I never knew they used the other G Gates or even F. Hopefully they eventually get some gates on the inter-island side of the airport so inter-island pax don’t have to go through the seperate Agricultural checkpoint even though it’s only supposed to be for mainland/International travelers.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 8:44 pm

KFTG wrote:
BeachBoy wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


Because vaccines are not 100% effective.

Nothing is 100% effective.
And that includes COVID tests.
What's your point again?


You asked for an explanation, so I gave you the reason stated by the Hawaii government leaders.

Recent example of why the government leaders are being extra cautious:
https://people.com/health/young-boy-die ... d-parents/

I donʻt necessarily agree, but better safe than sorry. If people donʻt like it, hopefully they will choose to vacation elsewhere.

Back on topic, the current WN location at HNL is loathed by local Hawaii residents for interisland travel.
Everyone who has flown WN interisland complains about the distance, agriculture limitations, and new safe travels arrivals process where you need to line up again to prove you came from another island to be exempt from the testing requirements. So most recommend going back to HA.
HNL really needs to be torn down concourse by concourse and rebuilt from the ground up. Most flights are narrowbody these days and all of the gates in terminal 2 are widebody so they could probably fit many more gates into the same space.
 
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Thu May 13, 2021 7:20 am

Southern Airways will be bringing the Beechcraft 1900D to Hawaii this fall to complement Mokulele’s existing Caravan service. https://themolokaidispatch.com/19-perso ... this-fall/
 
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Thu May 13, 2021 10:35 am

Lol, and I thought the Mighty Beech only flew boxes around these days..
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:44 am

Does anyone have any predictions on what might happen to HA if WN HI aspirations continue which they are? Are they going to be pushed off any routes? or will they survive the bigger invasion WN is planning that should have been executed had they not had all their problems
 
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:15 am

KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.


You could go to Alaska that also has a large native population. Oh wait, they are doing the same thing. It's call being on the safe side.
 
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:05 pm

rbavfan wrote:
Oh wait, they are doing the same thing.

Are you interested at all in replying with something factual?
Alaska is not "doing the same thing" as Hawaii.
And they haven't been for some time.
https://covid19.alaska.gov/travelers/
 
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:38 pm

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Does anyone have any predictions on what might happen to HA if WN HI aspirations continue which they are? Are they going to be pushed off any routes? or will they survive the bigger invasion WN is planning that should have been executed had they not had all their problems


I don’t think WN will ever have a neighbor island schedule that rivals HA’s. They are a competitor on mainland service, but the market is really large and there are other large competitors that will feel pressure as well.
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:58 am

alohashirts wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why a fully vaccinated person would still need a COVID test to go to Hawaii? And in the case of Maui, you are required to submit to contract tracing with the local government. Ridiculous.

And neither is a flu shot guaranteed to be effective but yet we didn’t see the nation and in this case Hawaii have travel restrictions even with a flu vaccine. I agree. It is 100% ridiculous. I feel bad for all the Hawaiian residents and airline employees affected by these insane requirements. Hope everyone can recover financially, emotionally, etc from the overreaction.


The Flu has never killed around 300,000 people in 12 months! It is not the same.
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:01 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Wneast wrote:
What flights could southwest and Alaska add to the islands this year ?

Any route that they currently don’t fly. AS can add service to the islands from GEG, BLI, LAS, PHX, ONT, BUR, SNA, FAT, and DEN, to name a couple. WN can add service from GEG, SEA, PDX, LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SFO, and DEN, to name some.


Does Burbank have the runway needed for a BUR-HNL non stop?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:05 am

rbavfan wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Wneast wrote:
What flights could southwest and Alaska add to the islands this year ?

Any route that they currently don’t fly. AS can add service to the islands from GEG, BLI, LAS, PHX, ONT, BUR, SNA, FAT, and DEN, to name a couple. WN can add service from GEG, SEA, PDX, LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SFO, and DEN, to name some.


Does Burbank have the runway needed for a BUR-HNL non stop?

I think it can I’m just not sure if would have any reduction of passengers or not
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:54 am

rbavfan wrote:
The Flu has never killed around 300,000 people in 12 months! It is not the same.

False.
Hysterically false, actually.
The Spanish Flu pandemic (1918-1920) infected ~500 million people and killed anywhere between 17,000,000 and 100,000,000 people (estimates). At the low end, 17,000,000 deaths within a 14 month period is ~1.2 million deaths per month. At the high end, 7.1 million deaths per month.
Want to re-evaluate your position yet?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:53 pm

rbavfan wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Wneast wrote:
What flights could southwest and Alaska add to the islands this year ?

Any route that they currently don’t fly. AS can add service to the islands from GEG, BLI, LAS, PHX, ONT, BUR, SNA, FAT, and DEN, to name a couple. WN can add service from GEG, SEA, PDX, LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SFO, and DEN, to name some.


Does Burbank have the runway needed for a BUR-HNL non stop?



Yes, AQ (Aloha) ran both HNL-BUR, OGG-BUR with a 73G
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Re: Hawaiian Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:40 am

nine4nine wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Any route that they currently don’t fly. AS can add service to the islands from GEG, BLI, LAS, PHX, ONT, BUR, SNA, FAT, and DEN, to name a couple. WN can add service from GEG, SEA, PDX, LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SFO, and DEN, to name some.


Does Burbank have the runway needed for a BUR-HNL non stop?



Yes, AQ (Aloha) ran both HNL-BUR, OGG-BUR with a 73G

If AQ did it, then I would assume it is viable for WN. Especially, with the MAX7. IF, and I mean IF, WN was to do those 2 routes, there is a definite possibility that SNA-HNL/OGG will come along also. It could lead to an INSANE amount of service from California to Hawai’i, nonstop. SAN LAX BUR ONT SNA OAK SMF SJC all seeing nonstops on a daily basis is just AMAZING, just to ponder that this isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
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