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NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:02 am

Welcome to the NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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NYC Airport Pax stats

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:24 pm

Well since the Port Authority has decided to stop updating the passenger statistics I was wondering if anyone had the information? It was certainly an interesting year so I am even more interested to see how it ended.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:34 pm

From press release 6-2021:

Total passenger volumes in 2020 were down an estimated 71 percent across the Port Authority’s airports compared to 2019. Annual passenger volumes decreased an estimated 73 percent at John F. Kennedy International Airport, 66 percent at Newark Liberty International Airport, and 73 percent at LaGuardia Airport compared to 2019. In 2019, the airports had served a record high of 140 million passengers.

In 2019 EWR served about 46.3 MM pax. In 2020 this number fell to about 15.7 MM
In 2019 JFK served about 62.6 MM pax. In 2020 this number fell to about 16.9 MM
In 2019 LGA served about 31.1 MM pax. in 2020 this number fell to about 8.4 MM

The information is there, but you have to go through press releases and the passenger statistics for 2019 to approximate the values values.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:14 pm

Really depressing stats. Down 73% at JFK & LGA wow.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:34 pm

Not surprised by this due to the huge decline in business travel and NYC being a covid hotspot/having quarantine requirements.

Hopefully NYC airports pax will come back this year. In my observations from flying out of NYC airports a ton, things are definitely getting more crowded.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:54 pm

I saw today that the PANYNJ finally updated its passenger stats by adding November. That's only about 6-7 weeks late!

EWR ytd 14,672,573 total revenue, -65.3% vs ytd for same period in 2019. Add in non-revs and the total through Nov 30 is 15,252,198.
JFK ytd 15,473,340 total revenue, -73.1% vs ytd for same period in 2019. Add in non-revs and the total through Nov 30 is 16,121,651.
LGA ytd is 7,724,374 total revenue, -72.8% vs yts for same period in 2019. Add in non-revs and the total through Nov 30 is 8,119,571.

The "best" performer of the 3 in terms of degree of passenger decline is EWR and the PA admits as much (true for several months).

At this rate, I expect the actual 12 month numbers Jan-Dec, 2020 to be available around May 1.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:10 pm

EWRandMDW wrote:
I saw today that the PANYNJ finally updated its passenger stats by adding November. That's only about 6-7 weeks late!


I happened to note that LAX today has published through January.
 
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Re: NYC Airport Pax stats

Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Things are definitely getting better in NYC. Here are my experiences

LGA does not feel like a complete ghost town anymore and there are moments where it feels quite operational. I am speaking about Terminal B. It honestly may also be the new terminal. Old LGA always felt cramped and its so odd being in LGA in such an open space.

JFK feels quite operational in T4 and T5. Delta and Jetblue are pulling off a ton of routes and it shows, especially in the morning and at night. T5 is still nowhere near the crowds and atmosphere it once had. And T8... It is sad. I really enjoy that terminal, but with only 25 flights a day, it can feel quite barren. I still remember the old days of crowded T8. But, things are seeming to come back at JFK for domestics.

EWR is where I see the most improvement. Terminal C is always crowded and feels the most "normal". There are plenty of flights to go around and leisure traffic is high there. I hope United continues to add at EWR. The other terminals are more inline with LGA. F9 and NK pull off crowds in Terminal B when they actually have flights. EWR-MCO on NK and F9 are always packed. I have not flown AA or B6 so I can't speak for Terminal A

Overall, I really hope NYC airports come back. I miss the days of crowded terminals that are full of life. Such a unique atmosphere. I will be at T4 in 2 weeks to see how things are during the Spring season.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:36 am

SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:38 am

STT757 wrote:
SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.


Happy to hear as a EWR fan lol.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:39 am

UA responding to B6 on a lot of these routes;

https://t.co/iWkuJwrhev
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:49 am

STT757 wrote:
SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.


Is their June schedule set in stone though? From their website, it seems like their May schedule is finalized but not their June schedule.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:55 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA responding to B6 on a lot of these routes;

https://t.co/iWkuJwrhev
.

Aside from EWR-STT going to 2x daily, everything else in there are either not EWR related or seem completely reasonable adjustments. I see these as chasing after revenue
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:59 am

Wonder if JFK-SIN nonstop is ending (and being replaced with the original EWR-SIN) because JFK-FRA-SIN is resuming? I have not seen it announced but it was recently bookable.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:09 am

tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA responding to B6 on a lot of these routes;

https://t.co/iWkuJwrhev
.

Aside from EWR-STT going to 2x daily, everything else in there are either not EWR related or seem completely reasonable adjustments. I see these as chasing after revenue


EWR-SXM. Then they are expanding EWR-SJD to fight along all the JFK-SJD adds.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:10 am

Ishrion wrote:
STT757 wrote:
SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.


Is their June schedule set in stone though? From their website, it seems like their May schedule is finalized but not their June schedule.


I don’t think so but this was reported as news from different people so I guess something had to be said?
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:20 am

Ishrion wrote:
STT757 wrote:
SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.


Is their June schedule set in stone though? From their website, it seems like their May schedule is finalized but not their June schedule.


I don’t think so but this was reported as news from different people so I guess something had to be said?
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:55 am

This NYC thread is always such a loser compared to other city threads. Anyone in NYC know why that is?

2 months with not one post!

As for SIN, who is on this flight right now?
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:44 am

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jfklganyc wrote:
This NYC thread is always such a loser compared to other city threads. Anyone in NYC know why that is?

2 months with not one post!

As for SIN, who is on this flight right now?


Most of the NYC stuff gets its own thread or into separate threads because so many people are interested.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:22 am

I think it's:
1.NYC demand is really lagging behind other markets on coming back. Super business heavy o&d. Domestic leisure markets are recovering faster. Nyc is the gateway to europe for NA, those flights when they return in mass will make more posts.
2.nyc has so much service and flights it's hard to be impressed or have a note worthy change. In other markets delta adding a second flight to mco or frontier going daily is a huge deal. In nyc airports those changes just happen so often and it's not a news worthy thread. In other markets you see local news pieces on flights added it's so rare nyc local news mention flight changes.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:12 am

STT757 wrote:
SQ ending the JFK-SIN nonstop and shifting it back to EWR June 1st.


Back to the A359ulr or will the still run the normal A359 until biz travel picks back up?
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:37 am

It fits in with the mentality of NYers

Howard Stern, who almost never travels, once went to St Louis for some radio thing. He looked at the arch and said we have bridges in New York that we dont even look at that are nicer than this.

Albeit a myopic viewpoint, he does raise a valid point.

If any other city had the Verazzano Bridge, it would be on every other post card. Here, it is barely a thought.

Our joint airport thread is the same way! 6 airports and 18 million people...we have moved the worlds longest flight (or one of the longest) from one airport to another and back.

Afterthought
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:24 am

jfklganyc wrote:
It fits in with the mentality of NYers

Howard Stern, who almost never travels, once went to St Louis for some radio thing. He looked at the arch and said we have bridges in New York that we dont even look at that are nicer than this.

Albeit a myopic viewpoint, he does raise a valid point.

If any other city had the Verazzano Bridge, it would be on every other post card. Here, it is barely a thought.

Our joint airport thread is the same way! 6 airports and 18 million people...we have moved the worlds longest flight (or one of the longest) from one airport to another and back.

Afterthought


LOL. Depends on the perspective, I guess. The NY aviation market will remain soft for some time. As the #1 gateway to Europe, the market for TATL flights will remain very soft, with a barebones network, and I suspect many routes will be postponed well into the summer or simply not run this summer, given the third wave in Europe, slow uptake with vaccines in the EU, and the now temporary suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine. NYC broadly skews business O&D and it is (or was) the largest in the world pre-pandemic, but right now, business travel is essentially on life support and unlikely to ramp back or even show modest increases until 2022. Traffic now is overwhelmingly leisure, and until April 1 anyway, NYC is subject to entry requirements and quarantines.

UA is definitely responding to B6 at EWR with the additions it has made, coupled with the fact there are far fewer international destinations that Americans can travel to right now, so the Caribbean and Mexico beach markets are it. This will wind down very quickly once we get into hurricane season, which is predicted to be active.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:55 pm

Europe it’s going to be a problem for another year.

The vaccine roll out there has been a disaster and they are locking down again

This summer is toast and loading flights for the fall is useless unless you’re a B6 trying to get their foot in the door
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:04 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Europe it’s going to be a problem for another year.

The vaccine roll out there has been a disaster and they are locking down again

This summer is toast and loading flights for the fall is useless unless you’re a B6 trying to get their foot in the door


Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Europe it’s going to be a problem for another year.

The vaccine roll out there has been a disaster and they are locking down again

This summer is toast and loading flights for the fall is useless unless you’re a B6 trying to get their foot in the door


Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.


UA has already signaled big cuts on TATL. This is not a complete list but ZRH, GVA, TXL are all suspended. LHR frequencies will be down, SFO-DUB and CDG also cut. I suspect FCO, MXP will be pushed well into the summer if they return at all. All the UA gateways are impacted, notably EWR, ORD, IAD and SFO to Europe.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Europe it’s going to be a problem for another year.

The vaccine roll out there has been a disaster and they are locking down again

This summer is toast and loading flights for the fall is useless unless you’re a B6 trying to get their foot in the door


Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.


With Europe halting administering AZ vaccine yesterday nad starting to re-impose lockdowns in places in the face of a variant-fueled new wave, that May schedule could easily be optmistic.

Hopefully they can figure their stuff out but the EU has not done well to date on their vax rollout.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:10 pm

I would imagine as we get closer to summer, all the legacies will do further reduction from NYC to Europe. I can't imagine FCO sustaining that much capacity when Italy is going into another lockdown.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:37 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Europe it’s going to be a problem for another year.

The vaccine roll out there has been a disaster and they are locking down again

This summer is toast and loading flights for the fall is useless unless you’re a B6 trying to get their foot in the door


Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.


UA has already signaled big cuts on TATL. This is not a complete list but ZRH, GVA, TXL are all suspended. LHR frequencies will be down, SFO-DUB and CDG also cut. I suspect FCO, MXP will be pushed well into the summer if they return at all. All the UA gateways are impacted, notably EWR, ORD, IAD and SFO to Europe.


UA is resuming ZRH next month.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:17 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.


UA has already signaled big cuts on TATL. This is not a complete list but ZRH, GVA, TXL are all suspended. LHR frequencies will be down, SFO-DUB and CDG also cut. I suspect FCO, MXP will be pushed well into the summer if they return at all. All the UA gateways are impacted, notably EWR, ORD, IAD and SFO to Europe.


UA is resuming ZRH next month.


Dont bet on it.

Or they can resume it and fly empty planes
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:46 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
It fits in with the mentality of NYers

Howard Stern, who almost never travels, once went to St Louis for some radio thing. He looked at the arch and said we have bridges in New York that we dont even look at that are nicer than this.

Albeit a myopic viewpoint, he does raise a valid point.

If any other city had the Verazzano Bridge, it would be on every other post card. Here, it is barely a thought.

Our joint airport thread is the same way! 6 airports and 18 million people...we have moved the worlds longest flight (or one of the longest) from one airport to another and back.

Afterthought


Counterpoint. I am in NYC. Using your example, I wont even think of the Verazzano as the first or second bridge to use when making an example. Kinda goes with Howard's point, no? NYC is NYC. The Verrazano is just another bridge when you have at least 6 other "nice" bridge river crossings in the area. And as others have said. Anything with NYC gets its own thread anyway. Its exactly because NYC is NYC that these threads are dead. It's to big and fascinating and attention grabbing to be contained in one thread
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Try and tell that to UA after you look at their May TATL schedule.


UA has already signaled big cuts on TATL. This is not a complete list but ZRH, GVA, TXL are all suspended. LHR frequencies will be down, SFO-DUB and CDG also cut. I suspect FCO, MXP will be pushed well into the summer if they return at all. All the UA gateways are impacted, notably EWR, ORD, IAD and SFO to Europe.


UA is resuming ZRH next month.


Don't bet on it. And if they do, it will be only one of the 4 nonstops they usually have.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:51 pm

Quick question? is it only terminal 1 or the rest of the terminals will be upgraded as well. what's going to happen with existing terminal A
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:51 pm

The FAA recently changed a rule that prohibited PFC funds being used for transit. The old rule is the reason why airports like EWR, JFK built "Airtrains" or people movers to connect nearby transit or commuter rail rather than having the rail go directly into the airport like PHL and DCA. New people mover connections are either currently under construction or being planned at LaGuardia and LAX.

Organizations and transit advocates are trying to take advantage and eliminate the people mover connections and add rail directly to the terminals specifically at LAX and LGA.

http://blog.tstc.org/2021/02/24/subway-to-laguardia-made-possible-by-faa-rule-change/

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/03/16/cuomos-wrong-way-airtrain-boondoggle-moves-ahead/

The rule change will also benefit the PATH extension to EWR, that is to be built to the existing Airlink station on the NEC where it connects to the Airtrain. The Port Authority is going to replace the EWR Airtrain with a new system. Theoretically with the new rule they could run the PATH train right into the Central Terminal area negating the need for a new Airtrain or atleast they could be a smaller version to connect the Terminals and parking.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:18 pm

HIA350 wrote:
Quick question? is it only terminal 1 or the rest of the terminals will be upgraded as well. what's going to happen with existing terminal A


Eventually all three, right now Terminal One is under construction and Terminal Two is in the planning stages. Terminal A will have it's concourses demolished and the central terminal house will remain until the new Airtrain is built. They don't want to tear down Terminal A with the current fragile Airtrain running right through the middle.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:06 pm

Major cuts are coming to europe this summer. The airlines rightfully were trying to be overly optimistic and get bookings incase there was a miracle surge . The new lockdowns and different virus strains it seems hard to imagine borders are open. Certainly not to tourists. The lockdowns are gonna trigger cancellations and people not booking for summer at a minimum. Europe rollbacks are coming , that will trigger some nyc changes. I bet we see the airlines add more domestic leisure o&d after that with the capacity.

Hard to guess anything in these times, but I bet we don't see nyc demand as a destination but alot of new yorkers will what to escape to outdoor destinations . Those could fuel the adds?
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:41 pm

United is back at Kennedy Airport JFK!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL3345/history/20210316/1040Z/KIAH/KJFK

Videos and photos on Twitter, Tower welcomed them back. Crew familiarization for the official start date on March 28.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pm

Major efforts underway to stop the wrong way Airtrain at LGA and replace with branch of N Train.

https://slate.com/business/2021/03/andrew-cuomo-laguardia-train-master-builder.amp?mc_cid=3f1491814a&mc_eid=4c4d316e23&__twitter_impression=true
 
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Tue May 25, 2021 8:17 pm

Finally, Jan 2021 pax stats are out! Only revenue passengers are counted. PANYNJ has reformatted its airport statistics reports. I'm including only the big 3 airports.

January numbers are pretty low, and comparison to Jan 2020, before the pandemic was fully appreciated, are grim.

EWR 1,204,722 total, -67.3% vs Jan 2020
JFK 1,091,905 total, -76.6% vs Jan 2020
LGA 501,839 total, -76.6% vs Jan 2020.

The "NYC" airport that's not in NYC or NYS had the most positive result. I think that's as it should be, but then I'm not unbiased!
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 1:36 am

EWRandMDW wrote:
Finally, Jan 2021 pax stats are out! Only revenue passengers are counted. PANYNJ has reformatted its airport statistics reports. I'm including only the big 3 airports.

January numbers are pretty low, and comparison to Jan 2020, before the pandemic was fully appreciated, are grim.

EWR 1,204,722 total, -67.3% vs Jan 2020
JFK 1,091,905 total, -76.6% vs Jan 2020
LGA 501,839 total, -76.6% vs Jan 2020.

The "NYC" airport that's not in NYC or NYS had the most positive result. I think that's as it should be, but then I'm not unbiased!


Ouch. We should start seeing a bump up in these numbers in March I’m thinking.
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:42 am

There was an article titled "Spirit Airlines Just Made The Best Argument For Lifting LaGuardia’s Perimeter Rule" on Simple Flying which mentioned the NK LGA-LAX nonstop flight that started last Saturday, and that article can be found at https://simpleflying.com/spirit-laguardia-los-angeles/.

NK adding Saturday-only LGA-LAS nonstop service might be a possibility with NK already serving LAS nonstop from some of its other East Coast destinations.

There are also some Saturday-only adds to beyond-LGA perimeter destinations that could be made by AA, DL, and WN such as (a) LGA-AUS/LAX/PHX on AA, (b) LGA-LAX/SLC/SEA on DL, (c) the return of Saturday-only WN LGA-PHX/SAT nonstop service, and (d) LGA-AUS/OAK/SAN on WN.

AA had announced plans to start Saturday-only LGA-PHX nonstop service prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but those plans were dropped due to the COVID-19 pandemic and the 737 MAX grounding.
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:44 am

TATL is taking off! AF going to 3x daily JFK - CDG starting Monday. The current two pax flights over 80% full in the last week as Europe opens up the tap to allow (especially vaccinated) Americans in. It's not just Y - it's W J and P as well. I'm sure the US3 are no different. The pent up demand is insane.
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:51 am

Just noticed this morning that JFK was using two runways for departures. First time since before the pandemic I’ve seen this. Looks like things are finally picking up.
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:25 pm

jplatts wrote:
There was an article titled "Spirit Airlines Just Made The Best Argument For Lifting LaGuardia’s Perimeter Rule" on Simple Flying which mentioned the NK LGA-LAX nonstop flight that started last Saturday, and that article can be found at https://simpleflying.com/spirit-laguardia-los-angeles/.

NK adding Saturday-only LGA-LAS nonstop service might be a possibility with NK already serving LAS nonstop from some of its other East Coast destinations.

There are also some Saturday-only adds to beyond-LGA perimeter destinations that could be made by AA, DL, and WN such as (a) LGA-AUS/LAX/PHX on AA, (b) LGA-LAX/SLC/SEA on DL, (c) the return of Saturday-only WN LGA-PHX/SAT nonstop service, and (d) LGA-AUS/OAK/SAN on WN.

AA had announced plans to start Saturday-only LGA-PHX nonstop service prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but those plans were dropped due to the COVID-19 pandemic and the 737 MAX grounding.


WN and NK should plan on LGA-LAS in my opinion. WN is a bit more experimental, but NK can make it work. NK just needs to be in a better terminal than Old Delta C. Maybe when the construction is complete, the perimeter goes down.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:27 pm

leader1 wrote:
Just noticed this morning that JFK was using two runways for departures. First time since before the pandemic I’ve seen this. Looks like things are finally picking up.


Yes indeed. Parking lot occupancy has been rising too. Even Terminal 8 had more life to it, still nothing like it used to be. (Please bring back more JFK AA).

T4 and T5 definitely starting to feel back to normal.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:15 pm

The normal landing runway at EWR, 4R/22L, is closed for reconstruction until October, 11/29 will be used for landings until October 1.

https://www.airport-technology.com/news ... rt-runway/

The huge problem that could develop: extremely low clouds or strong winds down the 4/22s which prevent the use of 11/29, which would turn EWR into a single runway operation. That would easily mean 4 hour delays, similar to what happened when JFK had 13L/31R closed and strong northwest winds, turning the airport into a one-runway operation.
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:16 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
The normal landing runway at EWR, 4R/22L, is closed for reconstruction until October, 11/29 will be used for landings until October 1.

https://www.airport-technology.com/news ... rt-runway/

The huge problem that could develop: extremely low clouds or strong winds down the 4/22s which prevent the use of 11/29, which would turn EWR into a single runway operation. That would easily mean 4 hour delays, similar to what happened when JFK had 13L/31R closed and strong northwest winds, turning the airport into a one-runway operation.


Movements are still down about 35% from 2019, and the airport is handling less than 800 flights a day now. They're not going to be much higher than that for the duration of the summer. Even with one runway available, EWR should be able to cope .
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:11 am

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of LGA in April 2021:
ATL-LGA - 23773 passengers, 25853 seats, 91.95% load factor
BNA-LGA - 13267 passengers, 17352 seats, 76.46% load factor
DAL-LGA - 15200 passengers, 17256 seats, 88.09% load factor
DEN-LGA - 13064 passengers, 16112 seats, 81.08% load factor
HOU-LGA - 8735 passengers, 9773 seats, 89.38% load factor
LGA-MCO - 7605 passengers, 8437 seats, 90.14% load factor
LGA-MDW - 23675 passengers, 28873 seats, 82.00% load factor
LGA-STL - 8043 passengers, 11329 seats, 70.99% load factor
LGA-TPA - 8205 passengers, 9613 seats, 85.35% load factor
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:05 am

jplatts wrote:
Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of LGA in April 2021:
ATL-LGA - 23773 passengers, 25853 seats, 91.95% load factor
BNA-LGA - 13267 passengers, 17352 seats, 76.46% load factor
DAL-LGA - 15200 passengers, 17256 seats, 88.09% load factor
DEN-LGA - 13064 passengers, 16112 seats, 81.08% load factor
HOU-LGA - 8735 passengers, 9773 seats, 89.38% load factor
LGA-MCO - 7605 passengers, 8437 seats, 90.14% load factor
LGA-MDW - 23675 passengers, 28873 seats, 82.00% load factor
LGA-STL - 8043 passengers, 11329 seats, 70.99% load factor
LGA-TPA - 8205 passengers, 9613 seats, 85.35% load factor


Do you have some EWR?
 
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Re: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:10 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Do you have some EWR?


WN had pulled out of EWR in November 2019.

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ISP in April 2021:
BWI-ISP - 19948 passengers, 24111 seats, 82.73% load factor
FLL-ISP - 7204 passengers, 9286 seats, 77.58% load factor
ISP-MCO - 10151 passengers, 11623 seats, 87.34% load factor
ISP-PBI - 7906 passengers, 8949 seats, 88.35% load factor
ISP-TPA - 1045 passengers, 1400 seats, 74.64% load factor

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