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aaway wrote:Personally, I'm looking forward to the Air Cargo study that LAWA is preparing to commission. Will be interesting to parse the redevelopment scenarios arising from the study. I would expect some of the existing cargo facilities along Imperial Hwy, and most of the Century Cargo Complex (CCC or, former 'Air Cargo City') to ultimately be redeveloped.
In the case of CCC, most buildings, excepting Cargo Building A (Asiana Cargo, China Cargo, El Al) building, and the United Airlines Cargo building, are of 60s vintage. Some have been refurbished to varying degrees (current AA cargo (former UA cargo), old AA (now Mercury/Cathay Pacific Cargo), old Western Airlines single bay hangars (now Mercury Cargo).
Some of the redevelopment opportunity at CCC will be driven by the easterly extension of t/w Charlie (driven by the T-9 project) to parallel the full length of r/w 7L / 25R. This extension will result in the demolition of the former TWA cargo building (now occupied by Menzies & Envoy GSE among others) as the southern end of the building would jut into the taxiway object free area. The resultant effect will be, in essence, a large concrete pad area similar to that of the current Imperial Cargo Complex (ICC). Further enlargement could be had with the demolition of either (or both) the former US Airways Cargo building, and LAWA managed Air Freight No 1., both located in the northeast quadrant of CCC.
Redevelopment opportunity along Imperial Hwy is more problematic due to narrowing geography from east-to-west, south of t/w Alpha. Nevertheless, there is a hodgepodge of vintage and newer facilities here. The JAL / EVA Air Cargo building dates from the 60s, most ICC facilities, the Fed Ex warehouse (inherited with the Flying Tigers merger), Korean Cargo are of 80s vintage, while Singapore Cargo, Nippon Cargo & QANTAS Cargo date from the late 90s and early aughts. Some of these facilities have outlived their usefulness.
Though we're some ways yet from the release of this report, I do speculate that one of the potential Imperial Hwy outcomes of this forthcoming study involves the relocation of one (if not both) FBOs.
I'll go out on a limb with a WAG with this preface - Years ago, UPS wanted to establish what is now their Ontario Airport operation at LAX. The then L.A. Department of Airports could not provide enough land at LAX for what UPS was then envisioning. While LAX may have lost out, the Department of Airports still won since Ontario was a DOA managed facility. However, previous LAX management had for many years projected an envy for the revenue and fees generated by that UPS operation.
With ONT as a source of revenue now gone from the fold, I do believe that LAWA will attempt to attract an up-and-coming package and package express carrier. Such a facility would complement existing facilities, or facilities under development at remote locations. This hypothetical LAX facility would be specifically geared to serve geographically proximate distribution centers. Such an operation would help to maintain delivery service guarantees that may be specifically impacted by greater L.A. area highway congestion.
Bradin wrote:I'm personally wondering if LAWA will consider a consolidated cargo facility similar to HKG.
aaway wrote:Personally, I'm looking forward to the Air Cargo study that LAWA is preparing to commission. Will be interesting to parse the redevelopment scenarios arising from the study. I would expect some of the existing cargo facilities along Imperial Hwy, and most of the Century Cargo Complex (CCC or, former 'Air Cargo City') to ultimately be redeveloped.
In the case of CCC, most buildings, excepting Cargo Building A (Asiana Cargo, China Cargo, El Al) building, and the United Airlines Cargo building, are of 60s vintage. Some have been refurbished to varying degrees (current AA cargo (former UA cargo), old AA (now Mercury/Cathay Pacific Cargo), old Western Airlines single bay hangars (now Mercury Cargo).
Some of the redevelopment opportunity at CCC will be driven by the easterly extension of t/w Charlie (driven by the T-9 project) to parallel the full length of r/w 7L / 25R. This extension will result in the demolition of the former TWA cargo building (now occupied by Menzies & Envoy GSE among others) as the southern end of the building would jut into the taxiway object free area. The resultant effect will be, in essence, a large concrete pad area similar to that of the current Imperial Cargo Complex (ICC). Further enlargement could be had with the demolition of either (or both) the former US Airways Cargo building, and LAWA managed Air Freight No 1., both located in the northeast quadrant of CCC.
Redevelopment opportunity along Imperial Hwy is more problematic due to narrowing geography from east-to-west, south of t/w Alpha. Nevertheless, there is a hodgepodge of vintage and newer facilities here. The JAL / EVA Air Cargo building dates from the 60s, most ICC facilities, the Fed Ex warehouse (inherited with the Flying Tigers merger), Korean Cargo are of 80s vintage, while Singapore Cargo, Nippon Cargo & QANTAS Cargo date from the late 90s and early aughts. Some of these facilities have outlived their usefulness.
Though we're some ways yet from the release of this report, I do speculate that one of the potential Imperial Hwy outcomes of this forthcoming study involves the relocation of one (if not both) FBOs.
I'll go out on a limb with a WAG with this preface - Years ago, UPS wanted to establish what is now their Ontario Airport operation at LAX. The then L.A. Department of Airports could not provide enough land at LAX for what UPS was then envisioning. While LAX may have lost out, the Department of Airports still won since Ontario was a DOA managed facility. However, previous LAX management had for many years projected an envy for the revenue and fees generated by that UPS operation.
With ONT as a source of revenue now gone from the fold, I do believe that LAWA will attempt to attract an up-and-coming package and package express carrier. Such a facility would complement existing facilities, or facilities under development at remote locations. This hypothetical LAX facility would be specifically geared to serve geographically proximate distribution centers. Such an operation would help to maintain delivery service guarantees that may be specifically impacted by greater L.A. area highway congestion.
aaway wrote:Bradin wrote:I'm personally wondering if LAWA will consider a consolidated cargo facility similar to HKG.
Unlikely due to the mere dearth of airport compatible land to create such a contiguous, consolidated facility. Likely the closest in concept that perhaps LAWA could achieve would be to consolidate smaller belly-only operators. Prior to the adoption of this broad review, LAWA had committed in concept to the development of multi-story cargo building to replace certain existing facilities.
There were two recent piecemeal proposals to foster a redevelopment program of cargo facilities at LAX. One was a 450,000 sq ft two-level building that would've replaced Air Freight #1 and the former US Airways Cargo building. The second was a PPP venture that would've kicked off development of the cargo element of the LAX Northside Plan (along Westchester Parkway). Both of these have been cancelled pending this broader review that LAWA is soliciting.
WidebodyPTV wrote:Wow, it looks like off-site parking providers are trying to make-up for a year of lost revenue. The lowest rates are trending around $20-25/day... in May, which historically sees the lowest rates ($5-10/day).
Hopefully Lot E will open up soon... crazy!
mcogator wrote:WidebodyPTV wrote:Wow, it looks like off-site parking providers are trying to make-up for a year of lost revenue. The lowest rates are trending around $20-25/day... in May, which historically sees the lowest rates ($5-10/day).
Hopefully Lot E will open up soon... crazy!
Which app are you using? I just looked at Parkwhizz, and the 4points Sheraton is available for $8/day(total with fees) for most of the month. There are quite a few other lots for $15/day or less.
Even this weekend, from tonight 8pm to Sunday 8pm is $16 total right now.
WALmsp wrote:HA was fighting the move. Did they change their mind or did they have no choice?
alohashirts wrote:Where is G4 relocating to? Is their check in going to be Terminal 1, but gates in the MSC?
WALmsp wrote:As I understand it, T0/T1 was/is going to be all WN. Has that changed? I can see the LCC operating out of T1.5 but will southwest be giving up gates?
KMCOFlyer wrote:Is the new Terminal 1.5 connected to Terminal 2 post security as well? The updated maps from Locus Labs appear to indicate this but it’s not 100% clear (it shows a narrow hallway connecting them).
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Few questions regarding T2 and T3.
With all the construction going on the schedule changes and the maps on google not being up to date, I was wondering if anyone had the latest construction timeline for the project. Also I believe T3 has been completely demolished (good riddance) anyone know when it will be done? Delta is going to want all the gate capacity it can get now that travel is picking up.
Also, maps shows what looks like a bagage handling system on the apron near T3, when was that built? I presume that is also temporary until the terminal is rebuilt?
atcdan wrote:FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Few questions regarding T2 and T3.
With all the construction going on the schedule changes and the maps on google not being up to date, I was wondering if anyone had the latest construction timeline for the project. Also I believe T3 has been completely demolished (good riddance) anyone know when it will be done? Delta is going to want all the gate capacity it can get now that travel is picking up.
Also, maps shows what looks like a bagage handling system on the apron near T3, when was that built? I presume that is also temporary until the terminal is rebuilt?
Regarding T3, I have no official data, but from eyeballing it, I would say completion could be early next year at the soonest. This is based on my view from above combined with the time I took T1.5 to be completed while watching.
DL is using 4 gates at T3 as bus hard stands for OO E175 flights, as well as using the northern part of TBIT for many mainline and partner flights.
Interestingly, AS, B6, and even UA have had international arrivals to gates 137, 139, 141 over the past few weeks too. I assume this is due to CBP scheduling still.
atcdan wrote:FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Interestingly, AS, B6, and even UA have had international arrivals to gates 137, 139, 141 over the past few weeks too. I assume this is due to CBP scheduling still.
onwFan wrote:Looks like T1/1.5 will ultimately become the LCC terminal, and many of these carriers may also end up using the T0 concourse when it is done. I think NK will move out of T5 too and EI might end up in T4 or TBIT once the partnership with AA evolves... Probably B6 will also get something similar to HA in TBIT/west gates.
gmcc wrote:atcdan wrote:FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Interestingly, AS, B6, and even UA have had international arrivals to gates 137, 139, 141 over the past few weeks too. I assume this is due to CBP scheduling still.
In regards to AS at TBIT their website states that all International arrivals will be at TBIT after May 20. This might have something to do with the start of the reconfiguration of the FIS access point as part of the T6 renovation.
gmcc wrote:atcdan wrote:FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Interestingly, AS, B6, and even UA have had international arrivals to gates 137, 139, 141 over the past few weeks too. I assume this is due to CBP scheduling still.
In regards to AS at TBIT their website states that all International arrivals will be at TBIT after May 20. This might have something to do with the start of the reconfiguration of the FIS access point as part of the T6 renovation.
KMCOFlyer wrote:LAWA really needs to get the T1-T2 headhouse secure connector open ASAP! The T2 TSA lines have been awful lately with T3 having been demolished so nearly all DL pax have to use the small 3 lane T2 TSA checkpoint to get screened. The new T1.5 TSA checkpoint could easily handle some of the TSA capacity that’s missing for DL due to the T3 demolition.
blacksoviet wrote:The 6 gate rotunda at the end of Terminal 6 was built in 1970. Are all of these gates connected to the Federal Inspection Station at Terminal 7?
How does this work? Are domestic arrivals not allowed to use these gates?
gmcc wrote:blacksoviet wrote:The 6 gate rotunda at the end of Terminal 6 was built in 1970. Are all of these gates connected to the Federal Inspection Station at Terminal 7?
How does this work? Are domestic arrivals not allowed to use these gates?
The rotunda gates are used for domestic and international arrivals. The gates are set up with a secure corridor leading to the tunnel that takes you to T7 FIS. or at least it was unless May 20th of this year when it closed for the T6 renovation project. Once they get done with the remodel it should reopen. You can kind of see the outline of the corridor in the map of T6 of LAX
https://www.flylax.com/terminals/terminal6
blacksoviet wrote:KMCOFlyer wrote:LAWA really needs to get the T1-T2 headhouse secure connector open ASAP! The T2 TSA lines have been awful lately with T3 having been demolished so nearly all DL pax have to use the small 3 lane T2 TSA checkpoint to get screened. The new T1.5 TSA checkpoint could easily handle some of the TSA capacity that’s missing for DL due to the T3 demolition.
Are any of the Terminal 3 satellite gates still open?
blacksoviet wrote:gmcc wrote:blacksoviet wrote:The 6 gate rotunda at the end of Terminal 6 was built in 1970. Are all of these gates connected to the Federal Inspection Station at Terminal 7?
How does this work? Are domestic arrivals not allowed to use these gates?
The rotunda gates are used for domestic and international arrivals. The gates are set up with a secure corridor leading to the tunnel that takes you to T7 FIS. or at least it was unless May 20th of this year when it closed for the T6 renovation project. Once they get done with the remodel it should reopen. You can kind of see the outline of the corridor in the map of T6 of LAX
https://www.flylax.com/terminals/terminal6
What if a domestic flight arrives at one of these gates? Do the passengers have to go through the FIS in Terminal 7?