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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:22 pm

codc10 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:

Storage and conversion to CRJ-550

Is UA planning to convert all CR7's to CR5's?


All but 17 (19?) operated by SkyWest, primarily for ASE service.

Ironic. Of all markets, I could imagine ASE benefiting from the CR5.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:00 pm

cosyr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
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Is UA planning to convert all CR7's to CR5's?


All but 17 (19?) operated by SkyWest, primarily for ASE service.

Ironic. Of all markets, I could imagine ASE benefiting from the CR5.


I'm not so sure... the CR5 is weight restricted to comply with scope, so in terms of range it's probably only good for DEN service, as LAX/SFO/IAH/ORD are out, especially for inbounds with holding fuel and frequent DEN diversions. The gain of 4F won't likely offset the fewer Y seats, either, as in normal times ASE is usually high-yielding in both cabins with high LFs.

I'd agree if ASE were a 50-seat market, but UA/AA/DL are in favor of the airfield expansion projects that will enable E75 service, so if anything, that would be the next type to fly into ASE.

Perhaps it would make more sense in the shoulder season, but ASE is a special-qual airport and I have my doubts an operator like GoJet would be willing to create procedures and train pilots for limited ASE ops. If some CR5s went on the SkyWest cert, maybe, but I don't expect to see that any time soon. More likely would be Mesa or Air Whisky (which, incidentally, was a longtime ASE operator going back into the 90s).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:19 pm

UAL 737-900 Max on test flight now...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:45 pm

Looks like no new resumptions from IAH in February, but a few domestic increases. Thats a start.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:00 pm

Any word on A350s and A321s?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:17 pm

Looks like United is starting IAH-SRQ on February 11.
https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... uston.html
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:14 pm

codc10 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
codc10 wrote:

All but 17 (19?) operated by SkyWest, primarily for ASE service.

Ironic. Of all markets, I could imagine ASE benefiting from the CR5.


I'm not so sure... the CR5 is weight restricted to comply with scope, so in terms of range it's probably only good for DEN service, as LAX/SFO/IAH/ORD are out, especially for inbounds with holding fuel and frequent DEN diversions. The gain of 4F won't likely offset the fewer Y seats, either, as in normal times ASE is usually high-yielding in both cabins with high LFs.

I'd agree if ASE were a 50-seat market, but UA/AA/DL are in favor of the airfield expansion projects that will enable E75 service, so if anything, that would be the next type to fly into ASE.

Perhaps it would make more sense in the shoulder season, but ASE is a special-qual airport and I have my doubts an operator like GoJet would be willing to create procedures and train pilots for limited ASE ops. If some CR5s went on the SkyWest cert, maybe, but I don't expect to see that any time soon. More likely would be Mesa or Air Whisky (which, incidentally, was a longtime ASE operator going back into the 90s).


Would the CR5 do HVN-ORD?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:23 pm

The company announces 2020 earnings Wednesday, Jan. 20, at 3:30 p.m. CT, presumably with all the corresponding "direction of the company for the foreseeable future" updates.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:24 pm

UAX Update:

E175SC:
N86371 entered service with Mesa 6Jan
N85374 entered service with Mesa 7Jan
N86375 entered service with Mesa 7Jan

E145XR:
N11107 (ex-EV) ferried IAH for transfer to CommutAir
N14125 entered service with CommutAir
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:33 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
Looks like United is starting IAH-SRQ on February 11.
https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... uston.html


Nice that UA is finally taking some steps to defend its turf from WN.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:31 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on A350s and A321s?


No change that I know of regarding the 350. The 321s are still slated to come in 2024 I think. It’s been stated UA would love to get them sooner but the limiting factor is XLR certification.

Seems that everyone in line ahead of UA wants them so I don’t think we’ll have an opportunity to jump the que unless one of those airlines goes out of business. Even then I’m not sure it would help us depending where we’re at in line.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:13 pm

Acey559 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on A350s and A321s?


No change that I know of regarding the 350. The 321s are still slated to come in 2024 I think. It’s been stated UA would love to get them sooner but the limiting factor is XLR certification.

Seems that everyone in line ahead of UA wants them so I don’t think we’ll have an opportunity to jump the que unless one of those airlines goes out of business. Even then I’m not sure it would help us depending where we’re at in line.

I don't think they need to go out of business for a financially depressed airline to want to defer their orders. There may yet be a way to get them sooner than 2024, and I think Airbus will bend over backwards to make more inroads at UA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:25 pm

Acey559 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on A350s and A321s?


No change that I know of regarding the 350. The 321s are still slated to come in 2024 I think. It’s been stated UA would love to get them sooner but the limiting factor is XLR certification.

Seems that everyone in line ahead of UA wants them so I don’t think we’ll have an opportunity to jump the que unless one of those airlines goes out of business. Even then I’m not sure it would help us depending where we’re at in line.


Parking 2/3 of the 757-200s for most of the past year will enable UA to operate the fleet longer, with fewer HMVs, until the target delivery date of the 321s that will replace it. So I don't think United is in a particular rush to accelerate the delivery of those frames, given the need for capex discipline for the time being.

The 737-MAX10s will be on property even sooner and replace the 757s on premium transcons, although that market is almost entirely dried up at the moment.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:43 pm

MAX 9:
N67501 - MCO as on 7-Jan/2714 for MAX upgrades
N27503 - Scheduled exit from MCO on 8-Jan/2699 after receiving MAX upgrades. Will position to IAH before entering service in February.
N47517 - Scheduled exit from SEA after induction on 8-Jan/2700. Will position to DEN before entering service in February.
N27520 - Exited SEA after induction on 6-Jan/2689. Positioned to IAH before it enters service in February.

N37530 - Delivered to UA on 7-Jan/2715. Currently in SEA for induction work.

N37518 - Positioned to BFI on 7-Jan for delivery to UA
N37525 - Positioned to BFI on 6-Jan for delivery to UA
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:20 pm

Has anybody heard when Air Wisconsn might be re-deployed to Denver?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:13 pm

MCOMX - # 7502 RTS

30 MAX-9s total,

MAX-9s deliveries
Dec 20 - 8
Jan 21 - 4
Feb 21 - 4

MAX-8s Coming soon.....
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:25 pm

Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and slow down the return of margin routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:28 pm

The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:32 pm

HCLF wrote:
Has anybody heard when Air Wisconsn might be re-deployed to Denver?


Hopefully not. UAX in DEN is all SkyWest. Combined with the insourcing of ground work by mainline, the UAX product is incredibly stable in Denver now. Much better than it was with Menzies running the ramp and 5 different UAX carriers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:29 pm

CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Which mods?

-Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements?
-UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?)
-UA interior installation?
-Painting?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:40 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Looks like the February schedule just came out. GSP-DEN remains 1x daily.


Not from what I now see on their itinerary; they now have a pair of very short Chicago and Denver connections that are less than ideal. They're thinking over what they want to do.


The only departure left from GSP is at 5 pm so not ideal for connections. They can trek up to CLT if they want more ideal flights.


They actually can't do the CLT thing-I burned miles to get them out there; United going, Delta back (DL still has a redeye SLC-ATL which gets them an extra ski day). I think they'll opt to just fly in the night before they were scheduled and get a cheap airport hotel and then just wake up in the morning ready to go-which might actually make more sense than the original plan anyways. That also allows them to transit through Houston rather than Chicago and avoid any winter weather mess that might hit O'Hare.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:41 pm

It may have already been commented on recently in the 2020 thread, but what is the consensus on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames), all of which are in long term storage? These airplanes were generally the backbone of TATL seasonal and capacity increases, until 2019 and otherwise flew around the network. I am getting the sense the longer they stay mothballed and the demand for long haul travel remains muted for 1 to 2 years, the less likely these planes will ever fly again, but UA is a bit unique in that compared to AA and DL, it hasn't, as of yet, announced a fleet type being retired.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:09 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
HCLF wrote:
Has anybody heard when Air Wisconsn might be re-deployed to Denver?


Hopefully not. UAX in DEN is all SkyWest. Combined with the insourcing of ground work by mainline, the UAX product is incredibly stable in Denver now. Much better than it was with Menzies running the ramp and 5 different UAX carriers.


While I’ve good experiences with Air Wisconsin, my recent SkyWest flights to and from DEN comport with your statement. It was a very seamless (compared to UAL) experience.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:15 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
Looks like United is starting IAH-SRQ on February 11.
https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... uston.html


Nice that UA is finally taking some steps to defend its turf from WN.


Agreed. I realize SRQ is a pretty new station for UA (in fact, SRQ service began from ORD right after WN eliminated FL's popular MDW-SRQ flights), but it was still surprising to see WN beat UA to the punch with Houston service. Californians with parents and grandparents in and around the Sarasota area have long complained about how difficult it can be to reach SRQ, even though much larger and better connected TPA is fairly close by.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:44 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
It may have already been commented on recently in the 2020 thread, but what is the consensus on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames), all of which are in long term storage? These airplanes were generally the backbone of TATL seasonal and capacity increases, until 2019 and otherwise flew around the network. I am getting the sense the longer they stay mothballed and the demand for long haul travel remains muted for 1 to 2 years, the less likely these planes will ever fly again, but UA is a bit unique in that compared to AA and DL, it hasn't, as of yet, announced a fleet type being retired.


I was searching for EWR-HNL in May and the 764 is in the booking system (if that means anything). I've also seen it on some IAH-EWR runs so presumably it will deployed to South America and Hawaii
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:19 pm

Sypho839 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
It may have already been commented on recently in the 2020 thread, but what is the consensus on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames), all of which are in long term storage? These airplanes were generally the backbone of TATL seasonal and capacity increases, until 2019 and otherwise flew around the network. I am getting the sense the longer they stay mothballed and the demand for long haul travel remains muted for 1 to 2 years, the less likely these planes will ever fly again, but UA is a bit unique in that compared to AA and DL, it hasn't, as of yet, announced a fleet type being retired.


I was searching for EWR-HNL in May and the 764 is in the booking system (if that means anything). I've also seen it on some IAH-EWR runs so presumably it will deployed to South America and Hawaii


Oh yeah, the 767-400ER, pre-pandemic, flew out of IAH as well, to EWR, AMS, and other TATL destinations. In the CO days, it also operated IAH-HNL. It is the standard aircraft for the EWR-HNL run but right now, that's being flown with the 767-300ER since it resumed. The 764 has also been used to Latin America as well, but in the summer time, it is most common on EWR and a few IAD to Europe legs. It also serviced the IAD-HNL route. May 2021, in the COVID19 world, is a long way away.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:25 pm

CALTECH wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
All 34XX were CO orders and the 38XX were UA, Could explain the different seats in that fleet.


Not really. 3479 is the newest United 737-900ER. And it was a post merger United order.


It was probably a contractual option or similar from the CO contract.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:28 pm

I miss that 764............really hope that thing is coming back. Such a great looking bird and of course, just like the -2/-3, that two seat sides is simply the best ever. Hadn't been on it too much over the last decade given the merger, but always great.

My 764 flights:

IAH-EWR/DEN/FLL/PHX/LAX
LAX-HNL
EWR-IAH/SJU/LGW/MAD/FRA/AMS
NRT-GUM
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:49 pm

CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Correct me if I'm mistaken I'm trying to keep up with all the moving parts.

United between December 2020 and the end of 2021 will take delivery of 18 MAX-9s,
United at some point in 2021 will start taking delivery of 17 MAX-8s
Those totals equal 35 MAXs being delivered throughout 2021

However in April of 2020 United stated we are expecting 40 MAXs in 2021 and had deferred the remaining until 2022 (I'm going to assume the 2nd half of 2022).

My questions are, was UA expecting 5 MAX-10s in 2021? How did we come up with 40 frames delivered in 2021?

If we just count the MAX-8/9s I can only find 35 frames or am I missing something?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:05 am

I love the 764, but it's been posted before:
1.) Engines are oddball in UA fleet. Fairly small 16 unit fleet.
2.) Pay rates for pilots higher than 763.
3.) Door 2 location drops Polaris seating by over 10% vs. current configuration.
4.) Overage of WBs after Covid means somethings got to go.
I know UA would like all WBs to have Polaris seats, but 16 764s could be a nice Transcon fleet with lie flats - could be as nice as new 737MAX10 seats, whatever they will be.
I say keep them parked unless Fed Ex wants to convert them to freighters to replace their 40+ year old MD10-10 fleet.
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:17 am

What about putting the 764s in a high density CY config similar to what DL had initially, something like C36Y251. They could replace some older 777A’s, though they wouldn’t carry as many pax obviously.
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:44 am

I think one important thing to remember is that a big motivator behind AA and DL's retirements is that they retired entire fleet types and removed pilot payscales. DL has plenty of narrowbodies to replace the MDs, and AA has or will receive plenty of A321s and 787s to backfill capacity from the 757s and 767s.

UA's situation isn't quite as clear cut, though isn't there a separate pay scale for the 764? If so, that could be a motivator for getting rid of that fleet. With most of the 763s having already received the new cabin, they'll probably stick around, and with no A321s coming until 2024, then the 757s are probably here to stay until then.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:56 am

intotheair wrote:
I think one important thing to remember is that a big motivator behind AA and DL's retirements is that they retired entire fleet types and removed pilot payscales. DL has plenty of narrowbodies to replace the MDs, and AA has or will receive plenty of A321s and 787s to backfill capacity from the 757s and 767s.

UA's situation isn't quite as clear cut, though isn't there a separate pay scale for the 764? If so, that could be a motivator for getting rid of that fleet. With most of the 763s having already received the new cabin, they'll probably stick around, and with no A321s coming until 2024, then the 757s are probably here to stay until then.


I think this assessment is exactly right. The 764 is really the only United subfleet that is small enough to be eliminated completely, and the fact it has a separate pay scale, oddball engines, and the old sCO cabin are three more nails in the coffin.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:01 am

Okcflyer wrote:
Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and slow down the return of margin routes.

I don't believe UA hedges.
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:24 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and slow down the return of margin routes.

I don't believe UA hedges.

I would be shocked if any airline doesn't hedge somewhat, but I bet it's less than 20% of their fuel needs. Nothing like the 90% that WN did back in the mid 2000's that helped them be so profitable over all the legacies who weren't allowed to, due to lower credit.
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:52 pm

CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...

Do you have any info on LNs for the -8s? https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... t-tracking and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... iew?pli=1# databases show different info. All things considered it’s very very likely these sources are badly in need of updating. I’ve always found your info to be quite accurate.. So.....
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:00 pm

Sypho839 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
It may have already been commented on recently in the 2020 thread, but what is the consensus on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames), all of which are in long term storage? These airplanes were generally the backbone of TATL seasonal and capacity increases, until 2019 and otherwise flew around the network. I am getting the sense the longer they stay mothballed and the demand for long haul travel remains muted for 1 to 2 years, the less likely these planes will ever fly again, but UA is a bit unique in that compared to AA and DL, it hasn't, as of yet, announced a fleet type being retired.


I was searching for EWR-HNL in May and the 764 is in the booking system (if that means anything). I've also seen it on some IAH-EWR runs so presumably it will deployed to South America and Hawaii


Looks like the 764 is loaded for EWR-HNL to begin March 28th, I'm sure this is subject to change however.
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:28 pm

cosyr wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and slow down the return of margin routes.

I don't believe UA hedges.

I would be shocked if any airline doesn't hedge somewhat, but I bet it's less than 20% of their fuel needs. Nothing like the 90% that WN did back in the mid 2000's that helped them be so profitable over all the legacies who weren't allowed to, due to lower credit.


I think all the airlines also got burned by hedging at some point (including WN) and reduced how much they do it. UA hedged at ~$110 a barrel in 2008 right before oil cratered in early 2009, and DL's refinery plan never panned out.

UA's current management has also described the IAH hub and oil business as being a "natural hedge."
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:37 pm

jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Correct me if I'm mistaken I'm trying to keep up with all the moving parts.

United between December 2020 and the end of 2021 will take delivery of 18 MAX-9s,
United at some point in 2021 will start taking delivery of 17 MAX-8s
Those totals equal 35 MAXs being delivered throughout 2021

However in April of 2020 United stated we are expecting 40 MAXs in 2021 and had deferred the remaining until 2022 (I'm going to assume the 2nd half of 2022).

My questions are, was UA expecting 5 MAX-10s in 2021? How did we come up with 40 frames delivered in 2021?

If we just count the MAX-8/9s I can only find 35 frames or am I missing something?


We are being told the MAX-10s are delayed.....
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:43 pm

cosyr wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and slow down the return of margin routes.

I don't believe UA hedges.

I would be shocked if any airline doesn't hedge somewhat, but I bet it's less than 20% of their fuel needs. Nothing like the 90% that WN did back in the mid 2000's that helped them be so profitable over all the legacies who weren't allowed to, due to lower credit.


European airlines may quit fuel hedging after $4.66 billion in losses

https://www.eurofinance.com/news/europe ... in-losses/
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:48 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
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The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...

Do you have any info on LNs for the -8s? https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... t-tracking and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... iew?pli=1# databases show different info. All things considered it’s very very likely these sources are badly in need of updating. I’ve always found your info to be quite accurate.. So.....


Latest info.....

The 737-MAX8s are coming......
737MAX Dated: SEP 15/20

Nose#........Type.............MSN.......Reg#.......Line.......Yr Mfg.......Fleet

7251 .........737MAX-8 ...43931 ....N27251 ..8035 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7252 .........737MAX-8 ...43932 ....N27252 ..8075 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7253 .........737MAX-8 ...43930 ....N27253 ..8092 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7254 .........737MAX-8 ...43436 ....N17254 ..8104 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7255 .........737MAX-8 ...43440 ....N27255 ..8109 ....20...............41 / 61
7256 .........737MAX-8 ...64447 ....TBD ........8110 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7257 .........737MAX-8 ...43442 ....TBD ........8111 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7258 .........737MAX-8 ...66593 ....TBD ........8113 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7259 .........737MAX-8 ...43462 ....TBD ........8114 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7260 .........737MAX-8 ...43458 ....TBD ........8116 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7261 .........737MAX-8 ...43464 ....TBD ........8118 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7262 .........737MAX-8 ...66594 ....TBD ........8120 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7263 .........737MAX-8 ...66595 ....TBD ........8126 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7264 .........737MAX-8 ...66596 ....TBD ........8129 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7265 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD........ 8293 ....9/20 ...........41 / 61
7266 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD ........8304 ....9/20 ...........41 / 61
7267 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD ........8326 ..10/20 ...........41 / 61
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:50 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
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All 34XX were CO orders and the 38XX were UA, Could explain the different seats in that fleet.


Not really. 3479 is the newest United 737-900ER. And it was a post merger United order.


It was probably a contractual option or similar from the CO contract.


Actually we had already filled up 801-899, and they wanted 1 more 737-900ER. The Continental ones were done at # 478, so they added it as # 479. It was a UAL order.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:58 pm

I agree waiting until basically 3 weeks until the next month to release the schedule is being a bit ridiculous. I was looking at booking something for Valentine's weekend, and realized there was no way I could predict which of the flights would be valid, and which would go away. Is there not a way they could do rolling schedule updates 6 weeks out?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:01 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Which mods?

-Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements?
-UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?)
-UA interior installation?
-Painting?


-Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements?
- Most wiring is up front. Didn't see any in the tail. Software updates yes,,,,,,

-UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?)
- Already built during assembly to UA Specs.

-UA interior installation?
- UAL Interior already installed.

-Painting?
- Already painted.

Some MAXs in Old Livery

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Some MAXs in New Livery...

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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:09 pm

Ex-Vueling A320 N1913U ferried yesterday from GYR>TUP for part-out and scrap:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1913U
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:02 pm

CALTECH wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Which mods?

-Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements?
-UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?)
-UA interior installation?
-Painting?


-Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements?
- Most wiring is up front. Didn't see any in the tail. Software updates yes,,,,,,

-UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?)
- Already built during assembly to UA Specs.

-UA interior installation?
- UAL Interior already installed.

-Painting?
- Already painted.

Some MAXs in Old Livery

Image

Image

Some MAXs in New Livery...

Image


Those photos of the painted ones are of -9’s. I was inquiring about -8’s. I assumed these were originally other airline orders’ that cancelled and United picked them up. Per your response, the -8’s already built are mostly ready for delivery, and simply waiting UA to finance / take delivery per their need?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

CALTECH wrote:
Latest info.....

The 737-MAX8s are coming......
737MAX Dated: SEP 15/20

Nose#........Type.............MSN.......Reg#.......Line.......Yr Mfg.......Fleet

7251 .........737MAX-8 ...43931 ....N27251 ..8035 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7252 .........737MAX-8 ...43932 ....N27252 ..8075 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7253 .........737MAX-8 ...43930 ....N27253 ..8092 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7254 .........737MAX-8 ...43436 ....N17254 ..8104 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7255 .........737MAX-8 ...43440 ....N27255 ..8109 ....20...............41 / 61
7256 .........737MAX-8 ...64447 ....TBD ........8110 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7257 .........737MAX-8 ...43442 ....TBD ........8111 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7258 .........737MAX-8 ...66593 ....TBD ........8113 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7259 .........737MAX-8 ...43462 ....TBD ........8114 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7260 .........737MAX-8 ...43458 ....TBD ........8116 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7261 .........737MAX-8 ...43464 ....TBD ........8118 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7262 .........737MAX-8 ...66594 ....TBD ........8120 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7263 .........737MAX-8 ...66595 ....TBD ........8126 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7264 .........737MAX-8 ...66596 ....TBD ........8129 ....20 ..............41 / 61
7265 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD........ 8293 ....9/20 ...........41 / 61
7266 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD ........8304 ....9/20 ...........41 / 61
7267 .........737MAX-8 ...TBD .......TBD ........8326 ..10/20 ...........41 / 61

As the industry stabiles as COVID gets under control, I imagine we'll see these showing up on routes like IAH-UIO, IAH-BOG, ORD-FAI, and other places where 737-800s go out with seats blocked one or both directions.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:43 am

CALTECH wrote:
jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020...


Correct me if I'm mistaken I'm trying to keep up with all the moving parts.

United between December 2020 and the end of 2021 will take delivery of 18 MAX-9s,
United at some point in 2021 will start taking delivery of 17 MAX-8s
Those totals equal 35 MAXs being delivered throughout 2021

However in April of 2020 United stated we are expecting 40 MAXs in 2021 and had deferred the remaining until 2022 (I'm going to assume the 2nd half of 2022).

My questions are, was UA expecting 5 MAX-10s in 2021? How did we come up with 40 frames delivered in 2021?

If we just count the MAX-8/9s I can only find 35 frames or am I missing something?


We are being told the MAX-10s are delayed.....


The Max 10 is delayed because it needs additional work prior to certification as mandated by foreign regulators. Existing Max can be flown until they are retrofitted, but the 10 has to have it leaving the factory.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -controls/


https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... nts-later/

EASA said Boeing has agreed to further bolster the redundancy of the aircraft’s angle-of-attack sensor system. This means Boeing must add a third check on the two physical sensors fitted to the exterior of the plane’s fuselage. This will likely be an indirect, “synthetic” software calculation of the angle of attack based on parameters such as the aircraft’s weight, speed, inertial position and GPS signal.

EASA has said it wants this change made by the time the largest MAX model, the 737-10, enters service, which means within a couple of years.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -regulator

That will be followed by four weeks of public comment, while the development of a so-called synthetic sensor to add redundancy will take 20 to 24 months, he said. The software-based solution will be required on the larger Max 10 variant before its debut targeted for 2022, and retrofitted onto other versions.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:53 am

UAX Update:

E145XR:
N14125 entered revenue service with CommutAir
N12142 (ex-EV) ferried ALB for transfer to CommutAir

CR2:
N259PS (ex-AA 2004 build) entered UAX service with SkyWest (in EvoBlu livery)
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