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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:33 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:

I agree, in the big scheme of things, the tram being out of service is really not that big of a deal. I do think the other poster not referenced in your post is making far too big a deal of whether or not the tram is "safe". Especially when people are getting on airplanes full of people and many other airports manage to use their trams. You're right though - the tram being out of service isn't a huge deal for the moment.


Honestly, the percentage of restaurants in the airport still closed is a much bigger issue than the tram not running...


I would agree. I haven't been to the Delta terminal in a few years but I always thought it was a beautiful terminal with a great selection of food venues and shops. If traffic is ramping up I hope they start opening up the shops and restaurants - especially if inflight services continue to be super limited.


It absolutely is a beautiful terminal. Once of the appealing designs I’ve seen so far in my travels (granted that isn’t a ton of airports) and it’s pretty well kept too despite the fact its hardly a new terminal. Certainly better than a lot of other, bigger hubs that I’ve been too ( *cough cough* O’Hare). I was really surprised how nice it was the first time I went through there.

I disagree slightly on the food options, but it’s not like there isn’t anything there. My biggest complaint is the airport wifi, which basically nonexistent in some places at the airport (ends of concourse A).

As for the tram service, there are plenty of moving walkways. So that really shouldn’t be a massive issue.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:25 am

I hear the club by A66/A68 will be opening by the end of April.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:25 am

DTWorld wrote:
I hear the club by A66/A68 will be opening by the end of April.

I would hope that means the ExpressTram will be put back in service by then.
Sometimes it's the little things that will leave a bad impression with the customers for a long time.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:12 pm

DaveMetroD wrote:
DTWorld wrote:
I hear the club by A66/A68 will be opening by the end of April.

I would hope that means the ExpressTram will be put back in service by then.
Sometimes it's the little things that will leave a bad impression with the customers for a long time.


In all fairness though how much connecting traffic is Delta connecting through Detroit now. I think Delta is grooming it's Detroit operation more towards O/D traffic rather than hub traffic. They have been doing this for a while now. Connecting traffic in my opinion has been moved to other hubs while the amount of flights operated out of Detroit is based on the O/D. That being said the tram is really not that necessary.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:43 pm

I think most people that will need to make it to the either end of Concourse A will consider it a problem when they find out the ExpressTram isn't in operation.
That will leave a lasting negative impression of DTW.
I understand you don't consider it a problem.
But is the money saved worth the potential negative feelings? I don't think so.
Up to this point, I understand Delta hasn't been using the ends of Concourse A for flights. That being a smart move.
With the rumor of the SkyClub opening and increased traffic, I think the time is near for the ExpressTram to be operating.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:09 pm

DaveMetroD wrote:
I think most people that will need to make it to the either end of Concourse A will consider it a problem when they find out the ExpressTram isn't in operation.
That will leave a lasting negative impression of DTW.
I understand you don't consider it a problem.
But is the money saved worth the potential negative feelings? I don't think so.
Up to this point, I understand Delta hasn't been using the ends of Concourse A for flights. That being a smart move.
With the rumor of the SkyClub opening and increased traffic, I think the time is near for the ExpressTram to be operating.


So then why isn't Delta pressing to get the tram up and running.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:24 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
DaveMetroD wrote:
I think most people that will need to make it to the either end of Concourse A will consider it a problem when they find out the ExpressTram isn't in operation.
That will leave a lasting negative impression of DTW.
I understand you don't consider it a problem.
But is the money saved worth the potential negative feelings? I don't think so.
Up to this point, I understand Delta hasn't been using the ends of Concourse A for flights. That being a smart move.
With the rumor of the SkyClub opening and increased traffic, I think the time is near for the ExpressTram to be operating.


So then why isn't Delta pressing to get the tram up and running.

But if they don't need it, why hasn't Delta removed it then?

Remember the old Concourse C? Why do you think people considered DTW 3rd world? And many considered it an insult to the 3rd world.
Perception may not be everything, but for most people it's pretty darn close. That's why Delta needs to get it running again.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:12 pm

It appears that Aeromexico has no intention of returning to Detroit as all mention of the airline operating out of the McNamara terminal have been removed. Funny how they went to almost 5 daily flights out of Detroit and now they are gone yet again.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:30 pm

Enough about the tram thing, I brought it up only in the sense that I've heard it in passing from other passengers when arriving in DTW and also in comments from a good buddy of mine who is somewhat infrequent traveler but been through there a few times recently. I mean the tram was down for months at a time not too long ago when they rebuilt the cable-drive system and control systems. Its been down for long periods of time before and everyone has been fine. The reality is they generally are not actively using gates below ~A10 or above ~A70 on a regular basis. Due to the reduction in international and/or widebody flights that used to occupy the middle, even gates on A (A24-A60) for a good portion of the operating day from late morning through early evening with the TPAC and TATL arrivals and departures, they are using those gates more heavily for domestic flights.

That is good to hear an additional SkyClub will be reopening soon. When I was in the clubs this past week (Center A on Monday, and C on Wednesday) they were getting close to Covid-era full, between arrival/departure banks considering the capacity reductions and with a lot of seating removed/closed-off.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:33 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
It appears that Aeromexico has no intention of returning to Detroit as all mention of the airline operating out of the McNamara terminal have been removed. Funny how they went to almost 5 daily flights out of Detroit and now they are gone yet again.

Is this true? I don't remember there being much of any permanent signage for AM anywhere other than maybe some logo stickers behind the international check-in area and at the gate podiums they used. Did they have a dedicated check-in area? I haven't been up by the international check-in area to even notice in a long time.

I mean no surprise they are gone for the time being with COVID and all. DL is operating a daily flight to MEX on an A319. I guarantee DL will resume MTY when the border opens up more and business travel resumes. With where we are at, the earliest realistically that AM would even be back in DTW is probably a year from now, spring/summer 2022.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:05 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
TVC doesn't really get rocking until after Memorial Day. May is still mud season and cold up there.
Mainline will probably show-up on DTW-TVC in June-July-August.

DL just updated May schedule over the weekend. June is still default/placeholder except for any of the new added flights they just loaded, or anything they cancelled out through end of the schedule. Equipment types are highly suspect at this time obviously.

Looks like DL is going to resume DTW-PDX & SNA in May.


Good to see DTW-SNA come back on line in May.


DTW-SNA has now been removed from May schedule with restart currently set for June 5th (along with DTW-SJC) -- or, perhaps more accurately, restart is currently still TBD. DTW-PDX is still currently a go for May.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:53 pm

Yep....they looks like they made more adjustments and tuned the May schedule over the past weekend but its now pretty close to set. June is still default/placeholder.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:02 pm

I ran an updated analysis of flight activity using last Friday, 3/26/21 actual departures. I last did a similar analysis in late-January 2021. I didn't do one in Feb, but its interesting to see the changes as flights have been added and ungauged back into the system.

Again this using actuals from last Friday and may miss anything that does not operate on that day (e.g., less-than daily or Sat-only)

Parenthesis (+1), (-1), etc indicate changes since January in flights/equipment type. I did most, but I only did equipment types for DL & NK.

Alaska 1 (-)
American 18 (+2)
Delta 290 (+20)
Frontier 2 (-)
JetBlue 2 (-)
Royal Jordanian 1 (-)
Southwest 9 (+2)
Spirit 29 (+10)
United 14 (+2)
Total Scheduled Passenger: 366 (+36)

Delta Non-Scheduled Charter 3
Cargo 7
GA / Other 7

Grand Total 383

By Destination:

Alaska 1
SEA 1

American 18 (+2)
CLT 6 (+1)
DCA 1
DFW 4 (+1)
ORD 3
PHL 3
PHX 1

Delta 290 (+20)
ABE 3
ALB 3
AMS 1
APN 2
ATL 11 (+1)
ATW 3
AUS 3 (+2)
AZO 3
BDL 3
BGM 1
BHM 1 (+1)
BMI 1
BNA 4
BOS 3
BTV 2
BUF 4
BWI 4 (+1)
CHS 2 (+1)
CID 1
CIU 1
CLE 4
CLT 5 (+1)
CMH 4
CUN 3
CVG 5 (+1)
CWA 1
DAY 2 (-1)
DCA 3
DEN 4
DFW 4
DSM 2
ELM 2
ESC 1
EVV 1
EWR 4 (+2)
FLL 7 (+1)
FWA 2
GRB 3
GRR 5
GSO 1 (+1)
GSP 2
IAD 3
IAH 4 (+1)
ICN 2 (+1 DTW-ICN-PVG)
IMT 1
IND 4
ITH 1
JAX 2 (+1)
JFK 3
LAN 3
LAS 5
LAX 6 (+1)
LEX 2
LGA 3
LSE 1
MBS 3
MCI 3
MCO 7
MDT 3
MEM 2
MEX 1
MIA 2
MKE 3
MSN 3
MSP 6 (+1)
MSY 1
MYR 1 (+1)
OMA 2
ORD 4
ORF 3
PBI 2 (+1)
PHL 4
PHX 6 (+1)
PIT 3
PLN 2
PUJ 1 (+1)
PWM 3
RDU 4
RIC 2 (+1)
ROC 3
RSW 7 (+1)
SAN 2
SAT 2
SAV 1 (+1)
SAW 1
SBN 3
SDF 3
SEA 4
SFO 3 (-1)
SJD 1
SJU 1 (+1)
SLC 5
SRQ 1
STL 3
SYR 3 (-1)
TPA 6
TVC 2
TYS 2
UNV 1
YUL 1
YYZ 3

Frontier 2
LAS 1
MCO 1

JetBlue 2
BOS 1
JFK 1

Royal Jordanian 1
AMM 1

Southwest 9 (+2)
BNA 2
BWI 2
DEN 1
HOU 1 (+1)
MDW 2
PHX 1 (+1)

Spirit 29 (+10)
ATL 2
DEN 1 (+1)
DFW 1
FLL 4 (+2)
IAH 1
LAS 3 (+1)
LAX 1
LGA 1
MCO 4 (+1)
MSY 1
MYR 1 (+1)
ORD 1 (+1)
PHX 1 (+1)
RSW 4 (+2)
TPA 3 (+1)

United 14 (+2)
DEN 2
EWR 3
IAD 2
IAH 3 (+1)
ORD 4 (+1)

Delta Non-Scheduled/Charter 3
ATL 1
EWR 1
IAD 1

Cargo 7
CVG 1
MEM 3
MUC 1
SDF 2

GA / Other 7
CMH 1
FNL 1
MKE 1
PVU 1
RUT 1
TUL 1
YXU 1

Grand Total 383

By Operating Carrier & Equipment:

Alaska 1
B739 1

----
American 18
American 7
A320 2
B738 5
American Eagle 2
E170 2
PSA 7
CRJ7 1
CRJ9 6
Skywest 2
CRJ7 2

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Cargo 7
FedEx 3
B763 2
DC10 1
Kallita 1
B722 1
TUI 1
B789 1
UPS 2
B752 1
MD11 1

----
Delta 293

Delta 120
A319 8 (-11)
A320 2 (+2)
A321 48 (+11)
A359 3 (+1)
B712 6 (+6)
B738 1 (-1)
B739 28 (-1)
B752 6 (-)
B753 7 (+4)
B763 1 (-2)
BCS1 9 (+5)
BCS3 1 (+1)

Delta - Non Scheduled / Charter 3
A319 1
B752 2

Endeavor 85
CRJ2 36 (+1)
CRJ7 16 (+2)
CRJ9 33 (+1)

Republic 51
E170 11 (-)
E75S 40 (+2)

Skywest 34
CRJ2 11 (+1)
CRJ9 23 (+10)

---
Frontier 2
A20N 1
A321 1

---
GA / Other 7
ASTR 1
BE99 1
C68A 2
E550 2
PA31 1

---
JetBlue 2
E190 2

---
Royal Jordanian 1
B788 1

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Southwest 9
B737 4
B738 5

----
Spirit 29
A319 4 (+4)
A320 20 (+8)
A321 5 (-2)

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United 14
GoJets 2
CRJ7 2
Mesa 1
E75L 1
Republic 5
E170 3
E75L 2
Skywest 6
E75L 6


Grand Total 383
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:26 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I ran an updated analysis of flight activity using last Friday, 3/26/21 actual departures. I last did a similar analysis in late-January 2021. I didn't do one in Feb, but its interesting to see the changes as flights have been added and ungauged back into the system.

Again this using actuals from last Friday and may miss anything that does not operate on that day (e.g., less-than daily or Sat-only)

Parenthesis (+1), (-1), etc indicate changes since January in flights/equipment type. I did most, but I only did equipment types for DL & NK.

Alaska 1 (-)
American 18 (+2)
Delta 290 (+20)
Frontier 2 (-)
JetBlue 2 (-)
Royal Jordanian 1 (-)
Southwest 9 (+2)
Spirit 29 (+10)
United 14 (+2)
Total Scheduled Passenger: 366 (+36)

Delta Non-Scheduled Charter 3
Cargo 7
GA / Other 7

Grand Total 383


Thanks for that work. FSDan's summary for DL departures at DTW for summer 2019 showed 461. (If he specified day of week, I don't recall.)

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613

Of course, this ignores gauge changes and changes in avg flight distance so a direct comparison of ASMs is a little weak.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:49 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I ran an updated analysis of flight activity using last Friday, 3/26/21 actual departures. I last did a similar analysis in late-January 2021. I didn't do one in Feb, but its interesting to see the changes as flights have been added and ungauged back into the system.

Again this using actuals from last Friday and may miss anything that does not operate on that day (e.g., less-than daily or Sat-only)

Parenthesis (+1), (-1), etc indicate changes since January in flights/equipment type. I did most, but I only did equipment types for DL & NK.

Alaska 1 (-)
American 18 (+2)
Delta 290 (+20)
Frontier 2 (-)
JetBlue 2 (-)
Royal Jordanian 1 (-)
Southwest 9 (+2)
Spirit 29 (+10)
United 14 (+2)
Total Scheduled Passenger: 366 (+36)

Delta Non-Scheduled Charter 3
Cargo 7
GA / Other 7

Grand Total 383

By Destination:

Alaska 1
SEA 1

American 18 (+2)
CLT 6 (+1)
DCA 1
DFW 4 (+1)
ORD 3
PHL 3
PHX 1

Delta 290 (+20)
ABE 3
ALB 3
AMS 1
APN 2
ATL 11 (+1)
ATW 3
AUS 3 (+2)
AZO 3
BDL 3
BGM 1
BHM 1 (+1)
BMI 1
BNA 4
BOS 3
BTV 2
BUF 4
BWI 4 (+1)
CHS 2 (+1)
CID 1
CIU 1
CLE 4
CLT 5 (+1)
CMH 4
CUN 3
CVG 5 (+1)
CWA 1
DAY 2 (-1)
DCA 3
DEN 4
DFW 4
DSM 2
ELM 2
ESC 1
EVV 1
EWR 4 (+2)
FLL 7 (+1)
FWA 2
GRB 3
GRR 5
GSO 1 (+1)
GSP 2
IAD 3
IAH 4 (+1)
ICN 2 (+1 DTW-ICN-PVG)
IMT 1
IND 4
ITH 1
JAX 2 (+1)
JFK 3
LAN 3
LAS 5
LAX 6 (+1)
LEX 2
LGA 3
LSE 1
MBS 3
MCI 3
MCO 7
MDT 3
MEM 2
MEX 1
MIA 2
MKE 3
MSN 3
MSP 6 (+1)
MSY 1
MYR 1 (+1)
OMA 2
ORD 4
ORF 3
PBI 2 (+1)
PHL 4
PHX 6 (+1)
PIT 3
PLN 2
PUJ 1 (+1)
PWM 3
RDU 4
RIC 2 (+1)
ROC 3
RSW 7 (+1)
SAN 2
SAT 2
SAV 1 (+1)
SAW 1
SBN 3
SDF 3
SEA 4
SFO 3 (-1)
SJD 1
SJU 1 (+1)
SLC 5
SRQ 1
STL 3
SYR 3 (-1)
TPA 6
TVC 2
TYS 2
UNV 1
YUL 1
YYZ 3

Frontier 2
LAS 1
MCO 1

JetBlue 2
BOS 1
JFK 1

Royal Jordanian 1
AMM 1

Southwest 9 (+2)
BNA 2
BWI 2
DEN 1
HOU 1 (+1)
MDW 2
PHX 1 (+1)

Spirit 29 (+10)
ATL 2
DEN 1 (+1)
DFW 1
FLL 4 (+2)
IAH 1
LAS 3 (+1)
LAX 1
LGA 1
MCO 4 (+1)
MSY 1
MYR 1 (+1)
ORD 1 (+1)
PHX 1 (+1)
RSW 4 (+2)
TPA 3 (+1)

United 14 (+2)
DEN 2
EWR 3
IAD 2
IAH 3 (+1)
ORD 4 (+1)

Delta Non-Scheduled/Charter 3
ATL 1
EWR 1
IAD 1

Cargo 7
CVG 1
MEM 3
MUC 1
SDF 2

GA / Other 7
CMH 1
FNL 1
MKE 1
PVU 1
RUT 1
TUL 1
YXU 1

Grand Total 383

By Operating Carrier & Equipment:

Alaska 1
B739 1

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American 18
American 7
A320 2
B738 5
American Eagle 2
E170 2
PSA 7
CRJ7 1
CRJ9 6
Skywest 2
CRJ7 2

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Cargo 7
FedEx 3
B763 2
DC10 1
Kallita 1
B722 1
TUI 1
B789 1
UPS 2
B752 1
MD11 1

----
Delta 293

Delta 120
A319 8 (-11)
A320 2 (+2)
A321 48 (+11)
A359 3 (+1)
B712 6 (+6)
B738 1 (-1)
B739 28 (-1)
B752 6 (-)
B753 7 (+4)
B763 1 (-2)
BCS1 9 (+5)
BCS3 1 (+1)

Delta - Non Scheduled / Charter 3
A319 1
B752 2

Endeavor 85
CRJ2 36 (+1)
CRJ7 16 (+2)
CRJ9 33 (+1)

Republic 51
E170 11 (-)
E75S 40 (+2)

Skywest 34
CRJ2 11 (+1)
CRJ9 23 (+10)

---
Frontier 2
A20N 1
A321 1

---
GA / Other 7
ASTR 1
BE99 1
C68A 2
E550 2
PA31 1

---
JetBlue 2
E190 2

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Royal Jordanian 1
B788 1

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Southwest 9
B737 4
B738 5

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Spirit 29
A319 4 (+4)
A320 20 (+8)
A321 5 (-2)

---
United 14
GoJets 2
CRJ7 2
Mesa 1
E75L 1
Republic 5
E170 3
E75L 2
Skywest 6
E75L 6


Grand Total 383


Thank you for putting in the work and doing this. One of the most important things her is that RJ is maintaining flights here when other are not. This in itself is telling to the amount of Middleeast traffic there is out of DTW and why a ME3 carrier should have been here a long time ago. All these voids are very frustrating that the airport can not make this happen The other is DTW-KEF why did the airport not push for this on the heels of WOW Airs success here at a major hub for Delta it's very disappointing that Delta did not add DTW-KEF at least 3 weekly for the summer but chose to add BOS-KEF which already has 2 daily and MSP-KEF which will have 2 daily this summer certainly DTW-KEF has enough leisure demand to warrant an attempt..
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:02 pm

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One of the most important things her is that RJ is maintaining flights here when other are not. This in itself is telling to the amount of Middleeast traffic there is out of DTW and why a ME3 carrier should have been here a long time ago.


You think a once-a-week, every-other-week flight (in the schedule for April) by Royal Jordanian proves a high volume of Middle East traffic? Let me suggest you think on that some more, and importantly bring some other references and data sources into play.

You might also try to reason out how you want the airport 'to make it happen,' and how public authorities are supposed to use public monies for the public good, not as corporate subsidy.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
NCAD95 wrote:
One of the most important things her is that RJ is maintaining flights here when other are not. This in itself is telling to the amount of Middleeast traffic there is out of DTW and why a ME3 carrier should have been here a long time ago.


You think a once-a-week, every-other-week flight (in the schedule for April) by Royal Jordanian proves a high volume of Middle East traffic? Let me suggest you think on that some more, and importantly bring some other references and data sources into play.

You might also try to reason out how you want the airport 'to make it happen,' and how public authorities are supposed to use public monies for the public good, not as corporate subsidy.


It is and how many flights is Lufthansa operated into Detroit over the last year. We are talking about an airline operating a flight into a market in a time where there is minimal demand. Bringing in more competition and flights generates revenues for the airport and helps the public. The data and proof is the RJ 787 landing in Detroit every week. They are not keeping the link open for the fun of it. Let's not talk about cooperate subsidy here as no diversity or little diversity is indirectly a cooperate subsidy as well. Data states that DTW-KEF was viable per the airport itself.


“WOW Air added service to Detroit in April 2018 and our customers responded well," it said. "Reykjavik moved from Detroit’s 55th largest European destination to fifth, after just a few months of WOW service. Some months saw traffic between Detroit and Iceland jump as much as 2500% from a year earlier."

"As WOW’s financial situation deteriorated, Detroit became one of the few remaining airports where WOW operated in the United States, on the strength of that Detroit customer support," the statement said. "

Detroit Metro officials said the airport is working to secure a replacement service to Iceland due to its popularity in Detroit.
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:34 pm

I think the more interesting things, are actually a bit different than RJ's weekly service to at least stay in the market during the pandemic.
Anything international outside of leisure-Mexico is really more or less out of necessity to maintain global network connectivity and move cargo. I doubt any of it at this time is consistently profitable, but at least by operating it and having it available for sale they can start to recover when things open up more and global travel increases beyond what is more or less essential travel.

A few take-aways:

I was actually surprised to see few additional flights there were actually added in from January to March across all airlines. Based on my antidotal observations as someone who has been traveling throughout most of the pandemic, if you had me guess, it "feels" like there are 2-3 times more passengers passing through DTW than there were in January, and I would've said more in the ballpark of 50-60+ additional flights, when in reality its only 36, and for DL only 20 flights. That I think suggests that right now the increase in passengers has really been in terms of higher loads and some amount of upgauging (more A321s vs A319s in DL's case).

In DL's case, they've brought a few 717s, a few A320s, and ramped-up their A220 operation again out of DTW.

I would've though the airlines in the North had added more back, but really only NK has added anything more substantial in since January.

I'll do this again in mid/late April for comparison's sake.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:47 pm

Another cut of the data for Delta operations.

Delta 290

CRJ2 47
----
50 seat RJ total: 47

CRJ7 16
CRJ9 56
E170 11
E75S 40
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2-Class RJ total: 123

BCS1 9
B712 6
A319 8
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Small narrowbody total: 23

BCS3 1
A320 2
B738 1
---
Medium narrowbody total: 4

B739 28
A321 48
B752 6
B753 7
---
Large narrowbody total: 89

B763 1
A359 3
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Widebody total: 4

Year over Year Comparison (Summer 14, 18, 19, & March 21)

DTW 2014 2018 2019 3/2021
ERJ 37 0 0 0
CR2 172 93 86 47
CR7 43 64 52 16
E70 1 6 6 11
E75 11 4 0 40
CR9 45 90 113 56
717 18 44 33 6
221 0 0 7 9
73G 0 0 0 0
319 39 21 28 8
223 0 0 0 1
M88 28 0 0 0
M90 13 21 0 0
320 21 14 24 2
738 10 12 2 1
739 9 32 28 28
321 0 11 38 48
752 19 20 21 6
753 1 7 6 7
763 8 3 6 1
764 2 0 1 0
332 0 2 2 0
333 4 4 3 0
339 0 0 0 0
772 3 0 0 0
77L 3 0 0 0
359 0 5 5 3
744 2 0 0 0
TOTAL 489 453 461 290
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:02 pm

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Another cut of the data for Delta operations.

Delta 290

CRJ2 47
----
50 seat RJ total: 47

CRJ7 16
CRJ9 56
E170 11
E75S 40
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2-Class RJ total: 123

BCS1 9
B712 6
A319 8
---
Small narrowbody total: 23

BCS3 1
A320 2
B738 1
---
Medium narrowbody total: 4

B739 28
A321 48
B752 6
B753 7
---
Large narrowbody total: 89

B763 1
A359 3
---
Widebody total: 4

Year over Year Comparison (Summer 14, 18, 19, & March 21)

DTW 2014 2018 2019 3/2021
ERJ 37 0 0 0
CR2 172 93 86 47
CR7 43 64 52 16
E70 1 6 6 11
E75 11 4 0 40
CR9 45 90 113 56
717 18 44 33 6
221 0 0 7 9
73G 0 0 0 0
319 39 21 28 8
223 0 0 0 1
M88 28 0 0 0
M90 13 21 0 0
320 21 14 24 2
738 10 12 2 1
739 9 32 28 28
321 0 11 38 48
752 19 20 21 6
753 1 7 6 7
763 8 3 6 1
764 2 0 1 0
332 0 2 2 0
333 4 4 3 0
339 0 0 0 0
772 3 0 0 0
77L 3 0 0 0
359 0 5 5 3
744 2 0 0 0
TOTAL 489 453 461 290


Yes and it's plain to see that the downsizing of DTW is being done very slowly under that radar. I suspect that Delta will further use the pandemic as an excuse going forward to continue to downgrade it's Detroit operations. At the beginning of the pandemic it was looking pretty good for Detroit but as time went on we could see a pattern developing as to Delta's Detroit operation. DTW in my opinion is last as far as leisure destinations or additional service to vacation destinations. What did we get a grand total of maybe 5 flights a week this summer.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:10 pm

I don't know what to tell you but you always seem to assume the worst.

FWIW,
In June 2020, and the depth of the pandemic schedule reductions DL was operating 130 flights a day, they are now up to 290 in March 2021.

My guess is that by July, the number of departures will probably be somewhere approaching 350/day.
My longer term view is that DTW probably settles into the low-400s by Summer 2022.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:15 pm

Okay come on enough with the doom and gloom. DL is downsizing all of their hubs in the wake of the pandemic. ATL/MSP/JFK/LGA/LAX have all lost plenty of flights and LGA/LAX are way behind DTW in frequencies. When demand returns, DL will bring flights back. Sure ATL/MSP/SLC have fared a bit better recently but that certainly doesn't mean DTW won't catch up down the road. The CR2 situation will be interesting though. Still a few years before they're gone but eventually something's gotta replace them on routes like DTW-IMT/AZO/CIU/ESC/PLN/APN. I doubt CRJ-700/900s can do the trick. On routes like DTW-TYS/ATW/FWA/DAY/MDT I'm sure 2-class CRJs can do the trick on those.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:31 pm

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Okay come on enough with the doom and gloom. DL is downsizing all of their hubs in the wake of the pandemic. ATL/MSP/JFK/LGA/LAX have all lost plenty of flights and LGA/LAX are way behind DTW in frequencies. When demand returns, DL will bring flights back. Sure ATL/MSP/SLC have fared a bit better recently but that certainly doesn't mean DTW won't catch up down the road. The CR2 situation will be interesting though. Still a few years before they're gone but eventually something's gotta replace them on routes like DTW-IMT/AZO/CIU/ESC/PLN/APN. I doubt CRJ-700/900s can do the trick. On routes like DTW-TYS/ATW/FWA/DAY/MDT I'm sure 2-class CRJs can do the trick on those.


And those are the 4 core hubs so yes DTW is dead last. In my opinion DTW is and has been the ugly step child in the Delta network it has been now for years. Before you're a naysayer let see what happens. And Detroit is not being downsized because of lack of demand it has the best terminal for connections and is geographical better situated than MSP for most of the east-west connections. The data proves that DTW has been systematically downsized by Delta for at least 6 years now. Why can't the CR700/900 replace the CRJ one for one.
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:32 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I don't know what to tell you but you always seem to assume the worst.

FWIW,
In June 2020, and the depth of the pandemic schedule reductions DL was operating 130 flights a day, they are now up to 290 in March 2021.

My guess is that by July, the number of departures will probably be somewhere approaching 350/day.
My longer term view is that DTW probably settles into the low-400s by Summer 2022.


Where do you see things pointing in an upward trajectory for DTW. I don't and your day from 2014 until the pandemic backs that up.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:01 pm

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The reality is DL is at 290 flights a day, with no meaningful amount of TPAC, TATL, or business travel.
Basically its all domestic leisure / VFR connections and O&D.

DL is planning to restore the core of its TPAC and TATL traffic from DTW when the pandemic subsides and that is resultant on both O&D and more connections.
There are numerous city pairs that will see frequencies/flights/traffic return as demand increases.

I mean DL is only flying LGA, BOS, DCA at 3x day currently, that will most certainty get back up to 6+ day in the future.

You know the story about the reduction in 50 seaters, and story about upgauging, we've beat that horse to death over the years.

I really don't know what else to say.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:36 pm

N292UX wrote:
Okay come on enough with the doom and gloom. DL is downsizing all of their hubs in the wake of the pandemic. ATL/MSP/JFK/LGA/LAX have all lost plenty of flights and LGA/LAX are way behind DTW in frequencies. When demand returns, DL will bring flights back. Sure ATL/MSP/SLC have fared a bit better recently but that certainly doesn't mean DTW won't catch up down the road. The CR2 situation will be interesting though. Still a few years before they're gone but eventually something's gotta replace them on routes like DTW-IMT/AZO/CIU/ESC/PLN/APN. I doubt CRJ-700/900s can do the trick. On routes like DTW-TYS/ATW/FWA/DAY/MDT I'm sure 2-class CRJs can do the trick on those.


The DTW-IMT/CIU/ESC/PLN/APN flying isn't Delta owned flying. It's Skywest EAS flying, that they sell thru Delta. No reason to believe that will go away, as Delta has no say in what OO operates on those flights. The only CR2's going away are the Delta controlled flying.
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:50 pm

Here is the current snapshot of DCI CR2 flying at DTW:

Endeavor 36
CRJ2 36
ABE 3 (historically always been 50 seaters, but could easily go CR7/9) (DC-9s going back further)
ATW 3 (has seen CR9 and even 717 in the past)
AZO 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past) (DC-9s going back further)
BGM 1 (historically been 50-seater, there could be consolidation of the up-state flying between BGM, ITH, ELM, this either gets upgauged or dropped)
BMI 1 (this just came back in late 2020, hadn't been flown in awhile)
BTV 2 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CID 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CLE 1 (was all 2-class RJs, and even mainline pre-pandemic) (DC-9s going back further)
CWA 1 (more or less flown to ferry to maintenance base, could be dropped)
DAY 2 (easily supports upgauging, to flow more connections) (DC-9s going back further)
EVV 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
ITH 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
LAN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
LEX 2 (has seen a mix of E75s & CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
MBS 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
MDT 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SBN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SYR 1 (was all 2-class RJ pre-pandemic, and mainline at times) (DC-9s going back further)
TVC 2 (typically a mix of 2-class RJ and mainline during peak summer, easily supports upgauging
UNV 1 (historically been all CRJ but gets decent yields with business and university related travel and geographic isolations could probably go 2x CR7/9)

Skywest 11
CRJ2 11
APN 2 (EAS route)
CIU 1 (EAS route)
ESC 1 (EAS route)
FWA 2 (flown currently by OO instead of 9E as a bridge to maintenance base, easily supports upgauging to CR7/9)
IMT 1 (EAS route)
LSE 1 (not an EAS route, maybe a bit thin to fly to DTW instead of route over MSP, is this an OO maintenance base?)
PLN 2 (EAS route, support upgauging during peak summer periods)
SAW 1 (MQT, not EAS, but probably retains services with a CR7/9)
Grand Total 47
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:15 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Here is the current snapshot of DCI CR2 flying at DTW:

Endeavor 36
CRJ2 36
ABE 3 (historically always been 50 seaters, but could easily go CR7/9) (DC-9s going back further)
ATW 3 (has seen CR9 and even 717 in the past)
AZO 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past) (DC-9s going back further)
BGM 1 (historically been 50-seater, there could be consolidation of the up-state flying between BGM, ITH, ELM, this either gets upgauged or dropped)
BMI 1 (this just came back in late 2020, hadn't been flown in awhile)
BTV 2 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CID 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CLE 1 (was all 2-class RJs, and even mainline pre-pandemic) (DC-9s going back further)
CWA 1 (more or less flown to ferry to maintenance base, could be dropped)
DAY 2 (easily supports upgauging, to flow more connections) (DC-9s going back further)
EVV 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
ITH 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
LAN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
LEX 2 (has seen a mix of E75s & CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
MBS 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
MDT 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SBN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SYR 1 (was all 2-class RJ pre-pandemic, and mainline at times) (DC-9s going back further)
TVC 2 (typically a mix of 2-class RJ and mainline during peak summer, easily supports upgauging
UNV 1 (historically been all CRJ but gets decent yields with business and university related travel and geographic isolations could probably go 2x CR7/9)

Skywest 11
CRJ2 11
APN 2 (EAS route)
CIU 1 (EAS route)
ESC 1 (EAS route)
FWA 2 (flown currently by OO instead of 9E as a bridge to maintenance base, easily supports upgauging to CR7/9)
IMT 1 (EAS route)
LSE 1 (not an EAS route, maybe a bit thin to fly to DTW instead of route over MSP, is this an OO maintenance base?)
PLN 2 (EAS route, support upgauging during peak summer periods)
SAW 1 (MQT, not EAS, but probably retains services with a CR7/9)
Grand Total 47


I believe LSE was bought and paid for by the local community.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:32 pm

LSE got an SCASD grant for $750k and local pledges of $160k in 2018 to use to start DTW service.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:57 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
BCS1 9
B712 6
A319 8
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Small narrowbody total: 23

BCS3 1
A320 2
B738 1
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Medium narrowbody total: 4


The A319 seats 132 pax the BCS3 seats 130 pax I guess it should be grouped with small narrowbody. This isn't to nitpick at all, I appreciate you compiling this, I just think its crazy how a year ago there was MD88 (149 pax), MD90 (158 pax), A320 (157 pax), and B738 (160 pax) in the medium narrowbody category and it's now just the 320 and 738. :o
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:42 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Here is the current snapshot of DCI CR2 flying at DTW:

Endeavor 36
CRJ2 36
ABE 3 (historically always been 50 seaters, but could easily go CR7/9) (DC-9s going back further)
ATW 3 (has seen CR9 and even 717 in the past)
AZO 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past) (DC-9s going back further)
BGM 1 (historically been 50-seater, there could be consolidation of the up-state flying between BGM, ITH, ELM, this either gets upgauged or dropped)
BMI 1 (this just came back in late 2020, hadn't been flown in awhile)
BTV 2 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CID 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
CLE 1 (was all 2-class RJs, and even mainline pre-pandemic) (DC-9s going back further)
CWA 1 (more or less flown to ferry to maintenance base, could be dropped)
DAY 2 (easily supports upgauging, to flow more connections) (DC-9s going back further)
EVV 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
ITH 1 (a bit "thin" but could probably go 2x CR7/9)
LAN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
LEX 2 (has seen a mix of E75s & CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging)
MBS 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
MDT 1 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SBN 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past, easily could support upgauging) (DC-9s going back further)
SYR 1 (was all 2-class RJ pre-pandemic, and mainline at times) (DC-9s going back further)
TVC 2 (typically a mix of 2-class RJ and mainline during peak summer, easily supports upgauging
UNV 1 (historically been all CRJ but gets decent yields with business and university related travel and geographic isolations could probably go 2x CR7/9)

Skywest 11
CRJ2 11
APN 2 (EAS route)
CIU 1 (EAS route)
ESC 1 (EAS route)
FWA 2 (flown currently by OO instead of 9E as a bridge to maintenance base, easily supports upgauging to CR7/9)
IMT 1 (EAS route)
LSE 1 (not an EAS route, maybe a bit thin to fly to DTW instead of route over MSP, is this an OO maintenance base?)
PLN 2 (EAS route, support upgauging during peak summer periods)
SAW 1 (MQT, not EAS, but probably retains services with a CR7/9)
Grand Total 47


OO does no CPA flying for Delta on the 200 at this point. Everything is on them, in terms of profit or loss...
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:05 pm

Willow Run gets $15 million for runway improvements
https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/03/30/willow-run-airport-awarded-more-than-15-million-in-federal-funding-for-upgrades/
Love the story
It is currently used for cargo, corporate and general aircraft and handles roughly 200 million pounds of cargo annually across four runways.

Might want to check the Google Aerial. Only 3 runways now.

Haven't been able to tell exactly what work will occur. Previous stories detailed what would be done with a $10 million grant.
Don't know if this is an additional $15 million or an add on $5 million.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:21 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Here is the current snapshot of DCI CR2 flying at DTW:

Skywest 11
CRJ2 11
APN 2 (EAS route)
CIU 1 (EAS route)
ESC 1 (EAS route)
FWA 2 (flown currently by OO instead of 9E as a bridge to maintenance base, easily supports upgauging to CR7/9)
IMT 1 (EAS route)
LSE 1 (not an EAS route, maybe a bit thin to fly to DTW instead of route over MSP, is this an OO maintenance base?)
PLN 2 (EAS route, support upgauging during peak summer periods)
SAW 1 (MQT, not EAS, but probably retains services with a CR7/9)
Grand Total 47


PSU, thanks for your hard work on this.

Ironwood's EAS contract is up for renewal next year. The current operator is Boutique Air, on a MSP-IWD-ORD routing. It will be interesting to see if Sky West pursues it. An MSP-IWD-DTW route could make a lot of sense.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:11 pm

I can't believe we're deep into April Fool's Day, and I've yet to see the annual "Emirates Announces DTW" press release.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:21 pm

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I can't believe we're deep into April Fool's Day, and I've yet to see the annual "Emirates Announces DTW" press release.


Given the sizeable Middle Eastern population in Dearborn and elsewhere in Metro Detroit, they might actually do well with such a "foolish" idea. Not to mention a sizeable South Asian population who I'm sure would not object to easy cnx via DXB.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:39 pm

YQBexYHZBGM wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
I can't believe we're deep into April Fool's Day, and I've yet to see the annual "Emirates Announces DTW" press release.


Given the sizeable Middle Eastern population in Dearborn and elsewhere in Metro Detroit, they might actually do well with such a "foolish" idea. Not to mention a sizeable South Asian population who I'm sure would not object to easy cnx via DXB.


Agreed 100% and this link is long over due. Either DTW-DOH or DTW-DXB.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Southwest is extending their Saturday nonstop service from Detroit to Fort Myers through the summer months. As expected, the route must be seeing well advanced bookings and if they can make it work like Orlando and Tampa, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Miami area next whether it be Lauderdale or Miami.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:02 am

A few random, somewhat noteworthy items on my travels out of DTW today:

- South entrance from from WB Eureka to the the south access road is closed for LED lighting upgrades
- The new signage with airline listings by terminal still lists AeroMexico in the McNamera
- The parking garage was the most empty I've seen since early-Feb, for now what I assume is that since we are now past peak spring break
- There is zero signage in the international check-in area for AeroMexico (I think they'll be back possibly in Summer 2022)
- DL this week now switched the 3 DCA flights from A319 to A221.
- I flew on a 717 for the first time since before the pandemic
- 717s are using gates A57 & A59
- DL134 DTW-AMS has switched from A359 to A333 effective April 1
- DL is now flying DTW-CDG 3x weekly (Sun, Wed, Fri) B763 effective April, alongside the 3x weekly AF B789 (Sun, Tu, Fri)
- A359 being flown 1x weekly on DTW-LAX for a live repositioning flight
- A339 being flown 1-2x weekly on DTW-SEA for a live repositioning flight
- DL has set-up a vaccine site for employees in the lower gate hold room area on C concourse (C1-C9 area)
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A few random, somewhat noteworthy items on my travels out of DTW today:

- South entrance from from WB Eureka to the the south access road is closed for LED lighting upgrades
- The new signage with airline listings by terminal still lists AeroMexico in the McNamera
- The parking garage was the most empty I've seen since early-Feb, for now what I assume is that since we are now past peak spring break
- There is zero signage in the international check-in area for AeroMexico (I think they'll be back possibly in Summer 2022)
- DL this week now switched the 3 DCA flights from A319 to A221.
- I flew on a 717 for the first time since before the pandemic
- 717s are using gates A57 & A59
- DL134 DTW-AMS has switched from A359 to A333 effective April 1
- DL is now flying DTW-CDG 3x weekly (Sun, Wed, Fri) B763 effective April, alongside the 3x weekly AF B789 (Sun, Tu, Fri)
- A359 being flown 1x weekly on DTW-LAX for a live repositioning flight
- A339 being flown 1-2x weekly on DTW-SEA for a live repositioning flight
- DL has set-up a vaccine site for employees in the lower gate hold room area on C concourse (C1-C9 area)

Nice update. I'm looking forward to my first flight in over a year in early May. Can't wait to visit the airport and see how things are looking.

Isn't the A359 flying 2 x daily on weekdays between DTW-LAX?
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:36 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
- The parking garage was the most empty I've seen since early-Feb, for now what I assume is that since we are now past peak spring break
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- A359 being flown 1x weekly on DTW-LAX for a live repositioning flight
- A339 being flown 1-2x weekly on DTW-SEA for a live repositioning flight


Yes, I'd say peak spring break is definitely over. UA ran a number of mainline aircraft out of their hubs over the weekend and yesterday for the returning spring breakers. These flights are now all back to RJ's.

DTW-LAX is currently double-daily A359 weekdays (8:40PM and 9:30AM flights) through April 30th. It drops to 1x daily starting May 5th.
DTW-SEA gets daily A332 starting May 5th (8:55PM flight).
DTW-SAN gets double daily A332 for May starting May 6th.
DTW-SLC gets a daily A332 (8:30AM flight) for May starting May 6th.

May schedule runs through June 4th.

Lots of domestic widebodies out of ATL for May (SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX/SAN/PHX/LAS/SLC/DEN). Likely being funded from international routes dropped from May schedule a couple weekends ago.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:53 pm

It is so nice to see our terminals full again. I have flown both Southwest and Delta during the last couple of weeks and was happy to nearly bump shoulders with fellow travelers. The North Terminal is even more full of people with the spike in local departing and arriving traffic. I stood in line at the Southwest bag drop counter for just about 45 minutes. McNamara bathrooms are much more clean as I feel that this has been a complaint for many in years past. No longer do they smell horrid and look unattended.

Roadway improvements on Eureka are a pleasant surprise. I miss the high-pressure sodium lights because blue LED lights affect my vision and seem to make things blurry. I also feel the increase in blue LED's have adversely impacted my vision. Here is a link that helps describe blue glow LED lights and their negative effect on vision and light pollution. https://gunnar.com/blog/do-environmenta ... uman%20eye.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:10 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
McNamara bathrooms are much more clean as I feel that this has been a complaint for many in years past. No longer do they smell horrid and look unattended.


From the very first week McNamara opened, and every single time though 2019. Seriously. I look forward to observing the improvement.

The Spring Break bump is over. Yesterday was the 2nd lowest TSA screening count number nationwide in over a month.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:58 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
Roadway improvements on Eureka are a pleasant surprise. I miss the high-pressure sodium lights because blue LED lights affect my vision and seem to make things blurry. I also feel the increase in blue LED's have adversely impacted my vision. Here is a link that helps describe blue glow LED lights and their negative effect on vision and light pollution. https://gunnar.com/blog/do-environmenta ... uman%20eye.


Have they re-paved or at least patched any of the Eureka Road eastbound yet?
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
iFlyDTW wrote:
McNamara bathrooms are much more clean as I feel that this has been a complaint for many in years past. No longer do they smell horrid and look unattended.
From the very first week McNamara opened, and every single time though 2019. Seriously. I look forward to observing the improvement.
They even smell better, as strange as that sounds.

As to the user who commented about Eureka itself, only the on and off ramps have been reworked at this time. Theyre still doing shoddy patch work on Eureka Rd itself.
 
CRJ200flyer
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:29 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
iFlyDTW wrote:
McNamara bathrooms are much more clean as I feel that this has been a complaint for many in years past. No longer do they smell horrid and look unattended.
From the very first week McNamara opened, and every single time though 2019. Seriously. I look forward to observing the improvement.
They even smell better, as strange as that sounds.

As to the user who commented about Eureka itself, only the on and off ramps have been reworked at this time. Theyre still doing shoddy patch work on Eureka Rd itself.


Just like the ramps - as a pilot I see more asphalt patching of a concrete ramp between the McNamara terminals. Can’t wait to see how that crumbles next winter.
 
CRJ200flyer
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:30 pm

Separately anyone know when the McNamara tram will be back in service? It’s the only major airport tram I’ve run across not back in operation.
 
iFlyDTW
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:13 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
Separately anyone know when the McNamara tram will be back in service? It’s the only major airport tram I’ve run across not back in operation.
I asked TSA and a Delta employee and they both say it will require long checks but the hope is by June because they plan to reactivate corner gates to do concrete work on the odd gates. I flew out on an A220-300 and it departed from the high end of A, it was a hike.
 
CRJ200flyer
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:18 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Separately anyone know when the McNamara tram will be back in service? It’s the only major airport tram I’ve run across not back in operation.
I asked TSA and a Delta employee and they both say it will require long checks but the hope is by June because they plan to reactivate corner gates to do concrete work on the odd gates. I flew out on an A220-300 and it departed from the high end of A, it was a hike.


Thanks for the insight! Did they say why it will require long checks? They just did all that annoying delay-causing maintenance on it last winter. Also I’ve seen the A220-300 down there. My captain didn’t understand my excitement :bouncy:
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:57 pm

Supposedly the A66 Skyclub in the north tram station opens up may 1.
Which is good since on monday the main club was a bit too crowded for my liking in the COVID era.

A223s have been using The upper a odd gates just past the ATC tower.
 
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Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:18 pm

Southwest max 8 returned to DTW Tuesday for the first time since the grounding was lifted.
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