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Re: Delta Announces ANC-DTW/JFK/LAX, SLC-FAI

Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm

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Delta is using the 757-200 on anc-slc and I'm guessing that is for cargo lift.

What cargo do you think delta is moving to Alaska? Lol.


The only cargo that a 757 can fly is fish. So they're obviously bringing Icelandic fish to Alaska.

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Re: Delta Announces ANC-DTW/JFK/LAX, SLC-FAI

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:46 pm

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Buried in all of this is that it appears MSP-FAI and SLC-FAI will go year round. Big deal for FAI if it holds up.


This caught my eye as well. Year-round nonstop connections to *three* DL hubs seems ambitious to say the least. But, that is indeed what Delta has planned, verified by local media and Delta's own schedules.

DL has never flown Fairbanks-Minneapolis in winter, nor did Northwest before it. However, DL flew Fairbanks-Salt Lake City via Anchorage on a year round basis for many years up until 2001. This latter service was inherited from Western Airlines.

We'll see if all of this actually comes to fruition. I am a bit skeptical. To me the MSP service would seem to have more staying power, given the connection opportunities and more direct routing to the eastern US compared to SEA. SLC seems redundant with SEA as a connecting point, and lacks the strong O&D demand that SEA has from Alaska.
 
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DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:10 pm

DL, which has been much less aggressive at adding new leisure routes than many of its competitors, appears to be waking from its slumber and announced a bunch of new and returning routes for summer.

These include new and returning service to western outdoor-oriented locations (FCA, RNO, RAP, JAC, BZN, MSO, FAT), eastern leisure-oriented and beach destinations (TVC, HHH, AVL, SAV, MYR, ILM, ORF), and New England leisure destinations (BTV, MVY, ACK, BGR).

DL also is resuming/adding ATL/JFK-GCM and ATL/JFK-SKB and ATL-BON and ATL-RTB June 5.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-new ... epointsguy
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:19 pm

I've been waiting to see DL's TVC plans. The BOS add rivals AA's service in that market. Looks like a good summer up north! I really need to check out HHH and their new service with jets down there sometime. thanks for posting
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:27 pm

DL today announced they are adding and resuming a bunch of leisure routes for this summer. These include new and returning service to western outdoor-oriented locations (FCA, RNO, RAP, JAC, BZN, MSO, FAT), eastern leisure-oriented and beach destinations (TVC, HHH, AVL, SAV, MYR, ILM, ORF), and New England leisure destinations (BTV, MVY, ACK, BGR).

DL also is resuming/adding ATL/JFK-GCM and ATL/JFK-SKB and ATL-BON and ATL-RTB June 5.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-new ... epointsguy

It is also being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1458923
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm

I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm

RJNUT wrote:
I've been waiting to see DL's TVC plans. The BOS add rivals AA's service in that market. Looks like a good summer up north! I really need to check out HHH and their new service with jets down there sometime. thanks for posting


Looking at DTW late May through the summer, surprised to only see 4x daily CRJ-900s. Thought I remember at least one daily mainline in the past years from DTW, and that this year would justify it with the strategy they’re talking about. Guess not?
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:47 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
I've been waiting to see DL's TVC plans. The BOS add rivals AA's service in that market. Looks like a good summer up north! I really need to check out HHH and their new service with jets down there sometime. thanks for posting


Looking at DTW late May through the summer, surprised to only see 4x daily CRJ-900s. Thought I remember at least one daily mainline in the past years from DTW, and that this year would justify it with the strategy they’re talking about. Guess not?


May onward is currently placeholder schedule for DL (I'm expecting they will update May this weekend).
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm

Heard yesterday from DL that they updating May schedule in the next few days
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm

What's happened with TVC is that , yes , its origins in popularity were more local, but as people have spread out so has the travel interest. When you think of the thousands of cottage, typically each one will possibly host grandkids, relatives or friends at least twice a summer and those folks come from far and wide to visit. its not so much resort driven growth as it is VFR traffic each summer.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:04 pm

RJNUT wrote:
What's happened with TVC is that , yes , its origins in popularity were more local, but as people have spread out so has the travel interest. When you think of the thousands of cottage, typically each one will possibly host grandkids, relatives or friends at least twice a summer and those folks come from far and wide to visit. its not so much resort driven growth as it is VFR traffic each summer.


Yes it’s amazing to look at hotel infrastructure of major chains in TVC. Hilton has only one property - an old Hampton. Marriott has two - an old Courtyard and Fairfield. IHG also only has two - a Holiday Inn Express and, the newest of the ones mentioned above - a Hotel Indigo. Gaylord, Michigan, located 43 miles away with no airline service and away from the coast, has multiple new build hotels. I know hotel isn’t necessarily the focus of normal stays in TVC, but with airlines ramping up capacity, I wonder how they’ll fill seats without it.

Edit: Looks like multiple hotel construction projects stalled out in the city. Site plans had been made for a new Tru, Residence Inn, Fairfield and StayBridge Suites. The Tru was closest to construction but delayed until this spring. Bet they wish they had started building last year.

https://www.traverseticker.com/news/do-not-disturb-proposed-hotel-properties-sit-silent/
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:07 pm

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I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.


Why would you scratch you head. The TVC area is one of the richest summer tourist regions in the country with so much to do. It has one of the world's most beautiful beach's close by and airlines have been operating TVC-NYC now for years. It kills me just because it's Michigan that people see it as some backwoods summer destination that only people who want to go camping would even consider Michigan for their summer plans. Not to mention Mackinac Islands. This summer again there are river cruise on the great lakes and a very hefty price I might add. I scratch my head wonder why people want to vacation in LA, NYC and Chicago.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:22 pm

Here is the official DL press release:
https://news.delta.com/summer-travel-yo ... ations-new
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:37 pm

Great to see DL finally being more aggressive with opportunistic adds. It was shocking how quiet things have been for DL over this last year.

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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:40 pm

The DTW, MSP, ATL adds most likely won't be A220s
The NYC, SLC, SEA, LAX adds are more likely and could be as that is where the core of the fleet is operating as there the pilot bases are NYC & SLC these days.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:47 pm

Yeah...finally DL awakes from its slumber. The reality is I think they were playing wait-and-see and waiting to pull the "levers".
They likely saw how everyone else was laying out their plans, watching the booking curves, seeing the trajectory of vaccinations, and then the Presidents proclamation last week.
Last Friday we saw the ANC adds
This Friday its these leisure adds, (where EVERYONE is shoveling capacity).

Its kind of the wild west right now with route planning.
It will be interesting, see obviously airlines are chasing demand / cash-flow wherever they can.
Some of these places, are going to max-out on lodging/hotels/STRs before they max-out on air service.
I think some people are going to be for some serious sticker-shock this summer.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:00 pm

I think this is the first in a string of domestic service adds for the big three. Given that Europe and cruise vacations are pretty much trashed for the summer and people are going to want to go on vacation after vaccination, I’m guessing we might see record domestic travel this summer and fall. If that happens, it will be a nice boost for the industry and economy
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:03 pm

ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA.


A little Googling found a 2013 airport press release noting TVC non-stops from ATL, EWR, DEN and LGA (AA). This isn't a covid-popularity anomaly.

https://www.tvcairport.com/delta-atlanta.php

The TVC hotel situation is a little constrained, but, frankly, people would be wise to use TVC and non-stops as the preferred airport for resorts within maybe 80 miles, everything on the Lake Michigan shore from Ludington north.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:09 pm

This was predicted by lots of us on here. I think we will see alot more coming. Major shift towards domestic leisure and away from business routes and international for 2021. Those could be years to recover but domestic leisure is gonna explode with vaccine distribution and confidence up. Places like JAC, BZN, DRO, alaska and moab are just perfect outdoor destinations. People won't want to be in a city still, outdoor destinations will thrive for a short bit. Great time for these airports to see new service and hope they can get them to stick.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:09 pm

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ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA.


A little Googling found a 2013 airport press release noting TVC non-stops from ATL, EWR, DEN and LGA (AA). This isn't a covid-popularity anomaly.

https://www.tvcairport.com/delta-atlanta.php

The TVC hotel situation is a little constrained, but, frankly, people would be wise to use TVC and non-stops as the preferred airport for resorts within maybe 80 miles, everything on the Lake Michigan shore from Ludington north.

TVC, primarily in the summer and fall, is unique in that air service is oriented toward three major segments:

1) People with ties (e.g., family and or property) to the region who have moved to coastal markets
Lots of families that grew-up in the Midwest, especially Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, and even St. Louis spend time vacationing in Northern Michigan. Many families have cottages on the lakes/woods that are passed down through the generations. Many of the children and great-grandchildren that grew up in the Midwest, particularly the upwardly mobile and ones from wealthier families, have moved to coastal cities. They still travel back "home" or to the family cottage, for the family reunion week, and visit Northern Michigan in summer. Michigan was ranked #1 in the early 2000s for "brain-drain" hence so many recent college graduates in the era migrated to coastal markets for jobs/income/big-city-lights.

In recent years, the amount of real estate being bought and/or built from East Coasters have drastically increased. Compared to similar destinations in the North East like MVY, ACK, or other resorter communities, the price of real estate is a steal in Northern Michigan and way more affordable. Increasingly all these "mega-cottages" that are $1M+ are going up in the favored gold coast areas around and near Lake Michigan. A lot of that money is coming from East Coasters.

2) Year-round and seasonal residents who travel outbound
Northern Michigan has always been a big retirement market for Midwesterners, but similar to above East Coast and others out of region are taking notice.
The seasonal population swells in Northern Michigan, and they do like to travel outbound as well.

In addition with the dynamics of COVID and many tech and finance people working remotely into the summer, many of those types with vacation homes in Northern Michigan may be spending more time up there this summer and less time still in the office and/or cities.

3) Destination travel from outside the Midwest / driving radius
Increasingly more people coming in from places like Florida and Texas to beat the summer heat. Some don't have ties at all to the region. They enjoy that its a lot cooler than those places and word is getting out.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:13 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
This was predicted by lots of us on here. I think we will see alot more coming. Major shift towards domestic leisure and away from business routes and international for 2021. Those could be years to recover but domestic leisure is gonna explode with vaccine distribution and confidence up. Places like JAC, BZN, DRO, alaska and moab are just perfect outdoor destinations. People won't want to be in a city still, outdoor destinations will thrive for a short bit. Great time for these airports to see new service and hope they can get them to stick.

I'm curious how some of these places will even be able to handle the crush of demand.

JAC, DRO, Moab really aren't that big and the bed-base in those places isn't that big. Easily can max-out during peak summer. Not just the fly-in crowd, but there is a lot or drive-in traffic too and not everyone shows up with a RV or is going camping.

Its going to be interesting too since I said in another thread, the staffing / employment issues in these places is going to be a major problem this summer. Hotels, rental cars, retail, attractions, restaurants are all short-staffed, can't find employees since the local labor markets are so small, there is challenges with getting H-2/international workers in still. and/or getting people to forgo unemployment.

These places are going to be crazy busy this summer......better book your lodging now and plan to cook your own food!
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:52 pm

I'm a bit surprised at GCM as they've taken an incredibly cautious approach to a hardline border closure. Hoping they do in fact open for the summer!
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:53 pm

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I'm a bit surprised at GCM as they've taken an incredibly cautious approach to a hardline border closure. Hoping they do in fact open for the summer!

They may see an opportunity, with so few cruises (down to GCM) operating.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:30 pm

these bookable yet? not seeing anything through their site. Curious to see aircraft type
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:37 pm

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these bookable yet? not seeing anything through their site. Curious to see aircraft type


Should be bookable tomorrow or Sunday - they usually process changes on Saturday, and last week the Alaska flights were bookable the day after the announcement

My guess is a lot of 319 and 757 flying. Most of those Montana routes out of ATL have been on the 75 in the past. DTW-BZN has been flown in the winter peak season on the 319 before.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:45 pm

Great adds by DL! Still wondering if and when DL will resume service to SBA from SLC which was operated pre-Covid for a few months. AA added SBA-ORD and WN is starting multiple routes but DL can’t make SBA-SLC work?!
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:57 pm

NCAD95 wrote:
ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.


Why would you scratch you head. The TVC area is one of the richest summer tourist regions in the country with so much to do. It has one of the world's most beautiful beach's close by and airlines have been operating TVC-NYC now for years. It kills me just because it's Michigan that people see it as some backwoods summer destination that only people who want to go camping would even consider Michigan for their summer plans. Not to mention Mackinac Islands. This summer again there are river cruise on the great lakes and a very hefty price I might add. I scratch my head wonder why people want to vacation in LA, NYC and Chicago.


I was raised in TVC before going to Cali. Even folks in Cali know about TVC, the Cherry Festival, the UP and even about pike fishing up around Atlanta/Gaylord/Hillman. I get that Chicago, back in the day, was where most of the TVC connections routed through, I have fond memories of North Central 580's. But TVC is now truly an outdoor destination, it's a great jumping off point to the UP and an outdoorsman/woman paradise. Smart move by DL
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:02 pm

Crazy that little JAC will have nonstop service to every Delta hub except NYC. I assume DTW will be on an A319 and SEA on an E175. We'll see tomorrow.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:24 pm

Tack wrote:
NCAD95 wrote:
ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.


Why would you scratch you head. The TVC area is one of the richest summer tourist regions in the country with so much to do. It has one of the world's most beautiful beach's close by and airlines have been operating TVC-NYC now for years. It kills me just because it's Michigan that people see it as some backwoods summer destination that only people who want to go camping would even consider Michigan for their summer plans. Not to mention Mackinac Islands. This summer again there are river cruise on the great lakes and a very hefty price I might add. I scratch my head wonder why people want to vacation in LA, NYC and Chicago.


I was raised in TVC before going to Cali. Even folks in Cali know about TVC, the Cherry Festival, the UP and even about pike fishing up around Atlanta/Gaylord/Hillman. I get that Chicago, back in the day, was where most of the TVC connections routed through, I have fond memories of North Central 580's. But TVC is now truly an outdoor destination, it's a great jumping off point to the UP and an outdoorsman/woman paradise. Smart move by DL


DL's merely responding to AA, which announced last month it would begin summer seasonal BOS-TVC service.

Many industry pundits are projecting Americans to take a record number of trips this summer. The legacy airlines are trying to guess & be out front of where people want to travel to.

IMO, I'd be surprised if half these routes survived in 2022...
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:42 pm

TVC will fill anything you throw at during the summer. I was astounded when i counted 50 Pax get off a CRJ 200 from SRQ on Elite Airways a few summers ago. and filling a B717 to LGA was equally astounding, looking for volunteers even! This is anecdotal while flying in/out myself
 
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Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:12 am

DLASFlyer wrote:
Crazy that little JAC will have nonstop service to every Delta hub except NYC. I assume DTW will be on an A319 and SEA on an E175. We'll see tomorrow.


I think United has served JAC from most of not all of its hubs in peak season over the last few years. On some days, I think they were running 2-3 a day from DEN and ORD alone.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:24 am

gwrudolph wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Crazy that little JAC will have nonstop service to every Delta hub except NYC. I assume DTW will be on an A319 and SEA on an E175. We'll see tomorrow.


I think United has served JAC from most of not all of its hubs in peak season over the last few years. On some days, I think they were running 2-3 a day from DEN and ORD alone.


Correct. United also has 3 gates while Delta has only 2. Although with the coming airline apocalypse I think all 9 gates will be common use.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:58 am

The bulk of the discussion has been about TVC, but generally very few adds are new...and the ones that are new are mostly Saturday or weekend only service, with the exception of BGR-BOS (that one I do find surprising). Much of the resuming service I would have expected would fly anyway - on the New England side at least, apart from BGR I assumed those would all be flying without any announcement.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 am

JAC is going to crush under its own weight this summer.

It’s silly season with route announcements this summer. Hold on to your hats!
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:43 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
Tack wrote:
NCAD95 wrote:

Why would you scratch you head. The TVC area is one of the richest summer tourist regions in the country with so much to do. It has one of the world's most beautiful beach's close by and airlines have been operating TVC-NYC now for years. It kills me just because it's Michigan that people see it as some backwoods summer destination that only people who want to go camping would even consider Michigan for their summer plans. Not to mention Mackinac Islands. This summer again there are river cruise on the great lakes and a very hefty price I might add. I scratch my head wonder why people want to vacation in LA, NYC and Chicago.


I was raised in TVC before going to Cali. Even folks in Cali know about TVC, the Cherry Festival, the UP and even about pike fishing up around Atlanta/Gaylord/Hillman. I get that Chicago, back in the day, was where most of the TVC connections routed through, I have fond memories of North Central 580's. But TVC is now truly an outdoor destination, it's a great jumping off point to the UP and an outdoorsman/woman paradise. Smart move by DL


DL's merely responding to AA, which announced last month it would begin summer seasonal BOS-TVC service.

Many industry pundits are projecting Americans to take a record number of trips this summer. The legacy airlines are trying to guess & be out front of where people want to travel to.

IMO, I'd be surprised if half these routes survived in 2022...


Totally agree about 2022. But, this is 2021. International travel is restricted and Americans have had it with COVID. Vaccines are being distributed and there is more money for airlines to make this summer than last. I don’t think many of us give a rats what routes survive into 2022 as long as we have a plethora of US options to fly to this year. It’s a version of cabin fever and I applaud all airlines for having the guts to increase frequency. I hope they all are rewarded with customers.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:42 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
DL's merely responding to AA, which announced last month it would begin summer seasonal BOS-TVC service.


It's possible, but DL was clearly gearing up to put out this announcement before they (presumably) update their May schedule this weekend. So it could easily be that both AA and DL separately decided to add this route, since every airline is looking for good domestic (and Caribbean) leisure routes to launch right now.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:03 pm

so DL's new flights are bookable. NO mainline it appears, to TVC .almost all service to TVC being CRJ900. Glad I'm not working in that station.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:28 pm

A lot of routes were also downgauged during the pandemic from mainline to RJs. I’m starting to wonder when we will see some of those routes go back to mainline? Some that I noticed are DTW-ORD/MKE/MCI and MSP-ORD/MKE/MCI. I noticed places like FAR and BIS started to see 1-2 mainline frequencies return from MSP in the last month or so.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:36 pm

RJNUT wrote:
so DL's new flights are bookable. NO mainline it appears, to TVC .almost all service to TVC being CRJ900. Glad I'm not working in that station.


At least it’s Endeavor in the update now instead of 250 knots cruising speed SkyWest :bouncy:
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:38 pm

The new DTW-JAC service is a 757, seems a little too big for a thin market.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:41 pm

flymco753 wrote:
The new DTW-JAC service is a 757, seems a little too big for a thin market.


Do they need the runway performance? JAC is high and the runway isn’t super long.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:57 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
The new DTW-JAC service is a 757, seems a little too big for a thin market.


Do they need the runway performance? JAC is high and the runway isn’t super long.
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:06 pm

ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.


When I was at American Eagle in the early 2000s, We flew to Traverse City on Friday and we flew back on Sunday. Long layover.

That along with Northwest Arkansas were our most profitable routes out of LGA
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:10 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
The new DTW-JAC service is a 757, seems a little too big for a thin market.


Do they need the runway performance? JAC is high and the runway isn’t super long.
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?


Can the 319 do it reliably? IINM the 319 can’t do TGU-ATL, which is similar as far as flight and runway length but only about half the elevation.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:20 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Do they need the runway performance? JAC is high and the runway isn’t super long.
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?


Can the 319 do it reliably? IINM the 319 can’t do TGU-ATL, which is similar as far as flight and runway length but only about half the elevation.
They have the A319 flying DTW-BZN but I'm not sure if JAC is technically longer in the circle map.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:24 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Do they need the runway performance? JAC is high and the runway isn’t super long.
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?


Can the 319 do it reliably? IINM the 319 can’t do TGU-ATL, which is similar as far as flight and runway length but only about half the elevation.


AA will operate the A319 on BOS-JAC this summer, which is about 600 miles longer than DTW-JAC.

Unless, AA is able to do it because they have the A319 with sharklets? I’m not sure if that makes a huge difference in performance.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:36 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?


Can the 319 do it reliably? IINM the 319 can’t do TGU-ATL, which is similar as far as flight and runway length but only about half the elevation.


AA will operate the A319 on BOS-JAC this summer, which is about 600 miles longer than DTW-JAC.

Unless, AA is able to do it because they have the A319 with sharklets? I’m not sure if that makes a huge difference in performance.


Or they regularly have to weight restrict the flight perhaps (I don’t know the answer, just another thought).
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:05 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I'd assume it's performance, but wouldn't the A319 have been a better fit?


Can the 319 do it reliably? IINM the 319 can’t do TGU-ATL, which is similar as far as flight and runway length but only about half the elevation.


AA will operate the A319 on BOS-JAC this summer, which is about 600 miles longer than DTW-JAC.

Unless, AA is able to do it because they have the A319 with sharklets? I’m not sure if that makes a huge difference in performance.


Sharklets aren’t that helpful by themselves but the AA-ordered 319s are likely a good bit more capable than DL’s 319s because they are a decade plus newer.
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:07 pm

319s have been the dominant airplane at JAC for a number of years now on everything from SLC to BOS, CLT and DFW.

Cool to see Delta will send up to 3 757s a day this summer. They are the last 757 operator left of many once at JAC.

I’ve been joking that JAC is going to be the new LaGuardia. Waited an hour for a gate yesterday and tons more planes are coming this summer.
 
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Re: DL adds a slew of new and returning leisure routes for the summer

Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:30 pm

ckfred wrote:
I scratch my head at carriers flying to TVC from the likes of BOS and LGA. I've lived in the Chicago area all of my life, so towns around Traverse City and Mackinaw Island are popular with people from Chicago. I also went to college in Ann Arbor. So that part of Michigan is popular with people living in the Detroit area, as well as Cleveland. But, the people I knew in college from New York and Washington said that people in the Northeast either go to New England, Upstate New York, the Jersey Shore, or towns on the coast in the Carolinas, like Hilton Head, Nag's Head, or Myrtle Beach. Resort areas on either side of Lake Michigan simply aren't on the radar of people from Boston, New York, Philly, and Washington.


I live under the approach for Rwy 21 @ HHH/HXD so I'm excited to be seeing more roar overhead on Saturdays while I'm outside. That being said, yes, if you live in PA, NY, NJ, OH, IN, MI you tend to find yourself in Hilton Head for vacation and then you move here a year later. The other places along the Carolinas must get all of the other states you mentioned. 85% of the traffic I see in the summer are those 6 states :D

I'd go back to TVC - I loved my week of work there. Incidentally, it was the first time in all of my travels that I'd had a domestic hold, TVC-DTW in a 717 waiting on a storm to clear.
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