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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 5:18 pm

tphuang wrote:
avi8 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
What airlines schedule out months out vs what they actually fly is quite different these days. DL simply does not have the planes necessary to fly the schedule they have in Q2 of next year. If they don't cut at CVG, they will need to cut elsewhere. My guess is that all these "adds" are just delaying the inevitable decision they need to make on which station to gut.


Delta has plenty of planes coming their way for narrowbody ops: A220s, A321s, and A321NEOs. I know they are also retiring aircraft but definitely not 1:1


IIRC from one of the DL fleet threads, DL will have somewhere around 100 fewer mainline aircraft by end of 2022 vs end of 2019. RJs are down by at least that ratio also. On top of that, they also have a huge backlog in their pilot training sims and hiring because so over 2000 took early outs and 1721 were displaced. Even compared to UA and AA, DL will take longer to get back to pre-COVID capacity level.

They can certainly bring back much of what they operated out of CVG pre-COVID. Or they could decide the resources are better used elsewhere and cancel the few non-hub/leisure/DCA routes like EWR/DEN they already brought back.

btw, I have no skin in this game. If CVG is brought back closer to pre-COVID size, that would mean certain other hubs/focus cities don't get those resources.


Many of the narrowbodies were much lower utilization (particularly MDs), I suspect DL can and will use the new A220s and A321s at a much higher utilization making the comparison of fewer aircraft total a bad comparison.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 6:21 am

Noticed that SLC > LHR could be booked starting 26MAR22. Loaded as an 332 leaving SLC at 6:06pm arriving LHR at 10:50am as DL50 then leaving LHR at 10:35am and arriving SLC at 2:04pm as DL51.

Wonder if this is just a placeholder if they're actually planning to restart that date?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 10:26 am

DL finally brought SLC-AMS-SLC out of the mothballs... Nice to see more and more DL birds huddled together at the piers at AMS

As per 05/27 - 5 weekly flights scheduled - MWFSS
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 12:11 pm

My daughter was ticketed BOS-LHR-BOS for July 7-11 on DL 58/59. I believe that July 7 was the resumption of service date. Well, both of those flights have just been canceled. I haven't checked to see when the first flights between BOS and LHR are now supposed to happen.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 12:24 pm

kjnslSLC wrote:
Noticed that SLC > LHR could be booked starting 26MAR22. Loaded as an 332 leaving SLC at 6:06pm arriving LHR at 10:50am as DL50 then leaving LHR at 10:35am and arriving SLC at 2:04pm as DL51.

Wonder if this is just a placeholder if they're actually planning to restart that date?


Definitely a placeholder; even the 2021 Fall and Winter schedules are all placeholders at this point. The good news is they appear to be interested in resuming the nonstop.

RobertS975 wrote:
My daughter was ticketed BOS-LHR-BOS for July 7-11 on DL 58/59. I believe that July 7 was the resumption of service date. Well, both of those flights have just been canceled. I haven't checked to see when the first flights between BOS and LHR are now supposed to happen.


BOS-LHR has been rolled forward to the next month - Delta's August schedule starts August 5.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 1:19 pm

Noticed ATL-JAC is now daily year round. Used to operate only winter and summer. Always a 757 route.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 7:17 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
avi8 wrote:

Delta has plenty of planes coming their way for narrowbody ops: A220s, A321s, and A321NEOs. I know they are also retiring aircraft but definitely not 1:1


IIRC from one of the DL fleet threads, DL will have somewhere around 100 fewer mainline aircraft by end of 2022 vs end of 2019. RJs are down by at least that ratio also. On top of that, they also have a huge backlog in their pilot training sims and hiring because so over 2000 took early outs and 1721 were displaced. Even compared to UA and AA, DL will take longer to get back to pre-COVID capacity level.

They can certainly bring back much of what they operated out of CVG pre-COVID. Or they could decide the resources are better used elsewhere and cancel the few non-hub/leisure/DCA routes like EWR/DEN they already brought back.

btw, I have no skin in this game. If CVG is brought back closer to pre-COVID size, that would mean certain other hubs/focus cities don't get those resources.


Many of the narrowbodies were much lower utilization (particularly MDs), I suspect DL can and will use the new A220s and A321s at a much higher utilization making the comparison of fewer aircraft total a bad comparison.

Also forgetting the impact of upgauging. MD88/90 at ~150ish seats being replaced by A321s ~190 seats. Doesn't help cover additional departures but provides ASM growth. Need to consider all of the metrics and levers with respect to building / analyzing a network.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:34 pm

a320flyer wrote:
In the past few weeks, Delta has loaded:
- CVG-AUS 2x/day CR9 effective March 1, 2022
- RDU-AUS 2x/day A319 effective March 1, 2022 (upgauged from 1x/E175)


Yuck on the CR9, but glad CVG is getting added back and that RDU is getting upgauged to mainline.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:21 pm

Western727 wrote:
a320flyer wrote:
In the past few weeks, Delta has loaded:
- CVG-AUS 2x/day CR9 effective March 1, 2022
- RDU-AUS 2x/day A319 effective March 1, 2022 (upgauged from 1x/E175)


Yuck on the CR9, but glad CVG is getting added back and that RDU is getting upgauged to mainline.


RDU-AUS got upguaged a few months ago, mainline starts this Saturday (June 5th)
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:30 pm

Looks like Delta has upguaged ATL-BHM with 5x weekly 738s and 1 739 flights replacing the CR9s and 717s starting next week. Great seeing this
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:30 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
Noticed ATL-JAC is now daily year round. Used to operate only winter and summer. Always a 757 route.


Strange they’ve even loaded flights for next April given the runway closure...
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:26 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Noticed ATL-JAC is now daily year round. Used to operate only winter and summer. Always a 757 route.


Strange they’ve even loaded flights for next April given the runway closure...


Delta had flights loaded for SGU way late into the game when it was clear the runway was closing for 5 months in 2019. As I recall they didn't cancel the flights until a few weeks before the closure started.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:49 pm

Are there still “several” A220s parked- and how many of them were delivered second half of 2020, but perhaps went straight to parking? It seems more of them are popping up around the system.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:52 pm

On AUS,
DL added 1 flight to AUS from ATL starting in October and then DTW/MSP/RDU from March and 1 flight from SLC in July and then starting January. Of course, the AUS-CVG resumption.

This seems a rather belated effort to build their AUS focus city. How many flights they will end up operating is a different story
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 pm

It’s hardly a focus city when they just beefed up flights to their hubs a bit.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:35 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Are there still “several” A220s parked- and how many of them were delivered second half of 2020, but perhaps went straight to parking? It seems more of them are popping up around the system.

There still are 7-8 A221s parked in SBD. They have recently reactivated 3-4 over the past few weeks. I think at one time upwards of 15 were parked in SBD.
None of the recent 2020 deliveries are parked, the ones that are now are some of the 2018-2019 deliveries.
The combined A221 & A223 fleet is at 49 aircraft in total now.

The single biggest fleet type with aircraft in storage at the time is the A319.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:09 pm

avi8 wrote:
It’s hardly a focus city when they just beefed up flights to their hubs a bit.

When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:59 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The single biggest fleet type with aircraft in storage at the time is the A319.


I wonder about the future of the A319 at DL. Relatively high cost to operate and they overlap with the more efficient A223. At least they aren’t that old.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:07 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The single biggest fleet type with aircraft in storage at the time is the A319.


I wonder about the future of the A319 at DL. Relatively high cost to operate and they overlap with the more efficient A223. At least they aren’t that old.


I’m curious as well- with DL seemingly in a fleet deficit, it would seem they will keep these planes around for some time. The MD88s were not as efficient as similar sized aircraft either. Also, aren’t a lot of the 130 seater (223) deliveries pushed out quite a bit (not sure the timeline) seems like the emphasis now will be on eliminating the 717 as it truly is a very orphan fleet type from a crew and maintenance perspective, whereas the 319- despite higher costs- at least has commonality in its favor.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:35 am

ahj2000 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
It’s hardly a focus city when they just beefed up flights to their hubs a bit.

When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)


Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:12 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
It’s hardly a focus city when they just beefed up flights to their hubs a bit.

When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)


Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

They shouldn't be calling AUS a focus city if they don't intend on expanding there.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:25 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The single biggest fleet type with aircraft in storage at the time is the A319.


I wonder about the future of the A319 at DL. Relatively high cost to operate and they overlap with the more efficient A223. At least they aren’t that old.


I’m curious as well- with DL seemingly in a fleet deficit, it would seem they will keep these planes around for some time. The MD88s were not as efficient as similar sized aircraft either. Also, aren’t a lot of the 130 seater (223) deliveries pushed out quite a bit (not sure the timeline) seems like the emphasis now will be on eliminating the 717 as it truly is a very orphan fleet type from a crew and maintenance perspective, whereas the 319- despite higher costs- at least has commonality in its favor.

More or less straying into the broader fleet conversation...
Part of the reason about why ~15 A319s remained parked is primarily driven by the maintenance backlog driven by the mass parking last year. There is such a backlog of getting aircraft through checks that all things being equal, the larger capacity A320 and A321s were given priority. Also somewhat driven by constraints on pilot training that has mostly resolved itself.
Made sense amongst the A319/A320/A321 fleet to reactivate the balance of those last.

The A319s aren't going anywhere in the near-term. DL needs the aircraft and is in no position to replace them early at this point. Especially with 717s leaving and inevitably some of the oldest A320s in the upcoming years.
As more A223s come online, what will likely happen is they will take over the longer route profiles flown by A319s were more fuel efficiencies can be realized and the A319s will be put on increasing shorter-stage length routes. They
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:53 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
It’s hardly a focus city when they just beefed up flights to their hubs a bit.

When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)


Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:46 pm

n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)


Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:58 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.


Thank you for bringing logic back to the conversation. There are clearly some ulterior motives for those who continue to bring the focus city designation up over and over. DL can call any city a focus city if it would like, there’s absolutely no definition or criteria for what constitutes a focus city.

It’s a bit hilarious that the pandemic wasn’t grounds enough for some for a company changing its plans...

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:03 pm

n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
When is the time to cede the title then? Apparently AA is doing a decent bit of connections through AUS now, is it time to give up? (I’d argue that they did a whole ago, but they still act like they’re an item of value in AUS)


Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


Do you remember another airlines’ “cornerstone strategy?” What happened to that? Where’s the complaint about that no longer being the strategy?

Covid has literally uprooted the entire industry, and if it hadn’t happened business changes constantly. DL may have decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Or maybe DL will announce a slew of new routes from AUS at some point.

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:49 am

SESGDL wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
n9801f wrote:
Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.


DL can call any city a focus city if it would like, there’s absolutely no definition or criteria for what constitutes a focus city.

Jeremy

Yeah. That makes so much sense... it is even probable that the ‘focus’ in the word ‘focus city’ does not have anything to do with focusing.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:13 am

SESGDL wrote:
n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


Covid has literally uprooted the entire industry, and if it hadn’t happened business changes constantly. DL may have decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Or maybe DL will announce a slew of new routes from AUS at some point.

Jeremy

Believe it or not, I actually would have preferred DL to make AUS a focus city rather than AA because: (a) it would narrow the gap in shares of the three alliances in Texas; and (b) it plugs a hole in their network and fits in geographically in their route map; (c) for AA the overlap with dFW is really high and I am not sure their AUS venture will be for the long term (hence DL would have been better for the folks in Austin).

But the reality is that one day AA just cane in and did for AUS what DL had promised for quite some time. And the users above have a point in that. One thing that probably made the difference is that with AS+AA, they could cover both the West & East Coasts neatly; something which will not be easy for DL to do organically.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:22 am

At this point, I think people are just trying to understand what Delta constitutes as an official 'focus city'. It seems like most airlines' focus cities resemble the airline's expanded route network, but I guess Delta sees it differently. After all, PDX has 4 long-haul international routes from Delta (with the hope that PDX-LHR eventually returns) and it's not considered a focus city.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:55 am

SESGDL wrote:
Do you remember another airlines’ “cornerstone strategy?” What happened to that? Where’s the complaint about that no longer being the strategy?

Covid has literally uprooted the entire industry, and if it hadn’t happened business changes constantly. DL may have decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Or maybe DL will announce a slew of new routes from AUS at some point.

Jeremy

Yes, of course. I remember Cornerstone well.

And I also remember that it wasn't empty braggadocio in that American actually followed through with what it said it would do.

I'm encouraged to hear you acknowledge the profound change Covid is bringing to the airline industry.

In my view, Delta has been far too timid with its changes and is just "waiting for better times to return".

Happily, this day may be here for Domestic. However given current worldwide infection rates, it still seems to be far away for International.

Good luck to you and all.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:09 am

n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Do you remember another airlines’ “cornerstone strategy?” What happened to that? Where’s the complaint about that no longer being the strategy?

Covid has literally uprooted the entire industry, and if it hadn’t happened business changes constantly. DL may have decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Or maybe DL will announce a slew of new routes from AUS at some point.

Jeremy

Yes, of course. I remember Cornerstone well.

And I also remember that it wasn't empty braggadocio in that American actually followed through with what it said it would do.

I'm encouraged to hear you acknowledge the profound change Covid is bringing to the airline industry.

In my view, Delta has been far too timid with its changes and is just "waiting for better times to return".

Happily, this day may be here for Domestic. However given current worldwide infection rates, it still seems to be far away for International.

Good luck to you and all.


Well, and the HVC's that Delta was building it's airline around are not so much part of the "better times" that have returned. What's returned are leisure flyers primarily. The business customers are not back - and may never come back as strong as they were once before.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:40 am

AC4500 wrote:
At this point, I think people are just trying to understand what Delta constitutes as an official 'focus city'. It seems like most airlines' focus cities resemble the airline's expanded route network, but I guess Delta sees it differently. After all, PDX has 4 long-haul international routes from Delta (with the hope that PDX-LHR eventually returns) and it's not considered a focus city.


Delta doesn't need to define focus city, not for investors, not for a.netters. Passengers don't care if it's 'official' or not. In practice in the last decade, it's meant that a city sees flights to more than the hubs. Example: RDU gets flights to LAS, BWI, IAD, BNA, ORD, CVG, BDL, JAX... Compare that to MCI, which, pre-COVID, got about 35 flights a day -- but just to the hubs IIRC.

PDX is an oddity. It's a decent-sized O&D airport but the primary carrier has no long-haul aircraft for TPAC or TATL. That same self-imposed limitation by AS is part of what makes SEA so promising long-term. SEA was the largest O&D airport with a dominant carrier not AA/DL/UA/WN.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta doesn't need to define focus city, not for investors,

That’s an unusual thing to say since we only know Austin is still a focus city from an investor conference where the President of Delta thought investors should know that.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:38 pm

When is JNB/CPT going to resume? UA just started EWR-JNB.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 pm

x1234 wrote:
When is JNB/CPT going to resume? UA just started EWR-JNB.

August 5th I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:07 pm

The SLC airport director is pushing to get nonstops from SLC to both Asia and South America by next year. I wonder if the codeshares with KE and LA could play a role here. SLC-ICN and SLC-LIM make sense.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:14 pm

alohashirts wrote:
The SLC airport director is pushing to get nonstops from SLC to both Asia and South America by next year. I wonder if the codeshares with KE and LA could play a role here. SLC-ICN and SLC-LIM make sense.


SLC-LIM? IMO, SLC-SCL would make far more sense.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:22 pm

SLC-South America? No way.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:40 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
n9801f wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Who cares? I don’t get this obsession with the AUS focus city.

Jeremy

Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.


Investing in a brand new lounge at an airport where they didn't have one before =/ "ONE statement during a conference".
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:47 pm

Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
n9801f wrote:
Lol!

Delta was trumpeting from the hills about its focus cities. And now it wants everyone to forget about them?

Sorry, but my attention span is longer than that.

Anything else you said that you don't mean anymore???


DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.


Investing in a brand new lounge at an airport where they didn't have one before =/ "ONE statement during a conference".


Investing in a brand lounge does not mean they are "trumpeting from the hills" that AUS is a focus city. My point is, a.net makes FAR too big of a deal what DL has said about AUS and has imposed certain requirements to meet what they believe is a focus city. Is DL investing in AUS? Absolutely - I never said to the contrary.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:32 pm

What’s the possibility of RDU getting some DL partner love. Like WestJet or Aeromexico. I’m not even talk about KLM, AF, or Korean.. but some neighbor love would be nice… YYZ, MEX, something…
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:56 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

DL was not "trumpeting from the hills" - DL made like ONE statement during a conference. A.net is the one that treated it as DL tweeted it everyday. Furthermore, "focus city" is subject to such broad interpretations and yet a.net imposes a lot of requirements on it. Frankly, its just gotten really old here.


Investing in a brand new lounge at an airport where they didn't have one before =/ "ONE statement during a conference".


Investing in a brand lounge does not mean they are "trumpeting from the hills" that AUS is a focus city. My point is, a.net makes FAR too big of a deal what DL has said about AUS and has imposed certain requirements to meet what they believe is a focus city. Is DL investing in AUS? Absolutely - I never said to the contrary.


Perhaps, but back to my point: it was not "ONE statement during a conference". It was much more than that. A quick Google search shows announcements on bizjournals.com, kxan.com (local news affiliate), viewfromthewing.com, routesonline.com and a couple others from 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018, quoting their CEO and even their SVP of pricing in separate interviews/statements. So DL *has* sung the "AUS focus city" tune significantly, so to attest otherwise is inaccurate.

Granted, they've backtracked since, which they have every right to do.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:07 pm

Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Western727 wrote:

Investing in a brand new lounge at an airport where they didn't have one before =/ "ONE statement during a conference".


Investing in a brand lounge does not mean they are "trumpeting from the hills" that AUS is a focus city. My point is, a.net makes FAR too big of a deal what DL has said about AUS and has imposed certain requirements to meet what they believe is a focus city. Is DL investing in AUS? Absolutely - I never said to the contrary.


Perhaps, but back to my point: it was not "ONE statement during a conference". It was much more than that. A quick Google search shows announcements on bizjournals.com, kxan.com (local news affiliate), viewfromthewing.com, routesonline.com and a couple others from 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018, quoting their CEO and even their SVP of pricing in separate interviews/statements. So DL *has* sung the "AUS focus city" tune significantly, so to attest otherwise is inaccurate.

Granted, they've backtracked since, which they have every right to do.


It is "inaccurate" to say that news sites quoting the CEO and SVP is DL's action. Those are wholly unrelated. Those sites picked up DL's statement and ran with it - its like saying a.net posts are DL "singing" the tune. Furthermore, my comment was limited to post-pandemic, which appears to be much of the heartburn since AA's announcements.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:08 pm

I'm not so sure about SLC-Asia/Latin America. The most SLC will get is YVR/YYZ/YUL/MEX/CUN. The market is simply not there. This is not like PDX-ICN where there's area businesses that need Asia access like Intel or Nike.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:22 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

Investing in a brand lounge does not mean they are "trumpeting from the hills" that AUS is a focus city. My point is, a.net makes FAR too big of a deal what DL has said about AUS and has imposed certain requirements to meet what they believe is a focus city. Is DL investing in AUS? Absolutely - I never said to the contrary.


Perhaps, but back to my point: it was not "ONE statement during a conference". It was much more than that. A quick Google search shows announcements on bizjournals.com, kxan.com (local news affiliate), viewfromthewing.com, routesonline.com and a couple others from 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018, quoting their CEO and even their SVP of pricing in separate interviews/statements. So DL *has* sung the "AUS focus city" tune significantly, so to attest otherwise is inaccurate.

Granted, they've backtracked since, which they have every right to do.


It is "inaccurate" to say that news sites quoting the CEO and SVP is DL's action. Those are wholly unrelated. Those sites picked up DL's statement and ran with it - its like saying a.net posts are DL "singing" the tune. Furthermore, my comment was limited to post-pandemic, which appears to be much of the heartburn since AA's announcements.


They're not at all unrelated. Airline CEOs and executives give statements precisely because they count on the media to get the word out when they want the word to get out. My marketing colleagues and I confer with our company's executives regularly about this very thing: what should we say and when...or should we keep so-and-so close to our chest? Propaganda is a powerful tool. So it was deliberate on DL's part to have made multiple statements (and not "one" statement) on the matter. Granted, thanks for clarifying that your comment was focused on the post-pandemic period, which you're right about. I've found intrigue in AA's moves for sure.
Jack @ AUS
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Western727 wrote:

Perhaps, but back to my point: it was not "ONE statement during a conference". It was much more than that. A quick Google search shows announcements on bizjournals.com, kxan.com (local news affiliate), viewfromthewing.com, routesonline.com and a couple others from 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018, quoting their CEO and even their SVP of pricing in separate interviews/statements. So DL *has* sung the "AUS focus city" tune significantly, so to attest otherwise is inaccurate.

Granted, they've backtracked since, which they have every right to do.


It is "inaccurate" to say that news sites quoting the CEO and SVP is DL's action. Those are wholly unrelated. Those sites picked up DL's statement and ran with it - its like saying a.net posts are DL "singing" the tune. Furthermore, my comment was limited to post-pandemic, which appears to be much of the heartburn since AA's announcements.


They're not at all unrelated. Airline CEOs and executives give statements precisely because they count on the media to get the word out when they want the word to get out. My marketing colleagues and I confer with our company's executives regularly about this very thing: what should we say and when...or should we keep so-and-so close to our chest? Propaganda is a powerful tool. So it was deliberate on DL's part to have made multiple statements (and not "one" statement) on the matter. Granted, thanks for clarifying that your comment was focused on the post-pandemic period, which you're right about. I've found intrigue in AA's moves for sure.


However, pretty much every site you posted just repackages comments. The CEO will not have made statements to those outlets.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:55 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

It is "inaccurate" to say that news sites quoting the CEO and SVP is DL's action. Those are wholly unrelated. Those sites picked up DL's statement and ran with it - its like saying a.net posts are DL "singing" the tune. Furthermore, my comment was limited to post-pandemic, which appears to be much of the heartburn since AA's announcements.


They're not at all unrelated. Airline CEOs and executives give statements precisely because they count on the media to get the word out when they want the word to get out. My marketing colleagues and I confer with our company's executives regularly about this very thing: what should we say and when...or should we keep so-and-so close to our chest? Propaganda is a powerful tool. So it was deliberate on DL's part to have made multiple statements (and not "one" statement) on the matter. Granted, thanks for clarifying that your comment was focused on the post-pandemic period, which you're right about. I've found intrigue in AA's moves for sure.


However, pretty much every site you posted just repackages comments. The CEO will not have made statements to those outlets.


Irrelevant and incorrect. Executives make deliberately- and carefully-crafted statements during earnings calls and other outward-facing events, counting on news outlets to pick them up. And there were, in fact, multiple statements between the CEO and the SVP starting in 2018; I was able to find three separate outward-facing statements, two by the CEO and one by the SVP, at 3 separate times, all referring to route strategy where AUS was mentioned as a focus city. And statements aren't made exclusively to news outlets anymore.

There IS a valid reason folks are puzzled at DL's backtrack (albeit the pandemic should be a fairly obvious reason for any backtrack in and outside of the airline industry). DL did, in fact, drum AUS up significantly pre-pandemic. What's so hard to accept about that?
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:17 am

June 9th, 2021: A G7 special from Washington Dulles to Newquay in the UK on A333 N807NW:

- DL8874 IAD 03.56 - NQY 15.06 A333 N807NW

Aircraft operated JFK-IAD-NQY

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL8874/27fce194
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:12 pm

factsonly wrote:
June 9th, 2021: A G7 special from Washington Dulles to Newquay in the UK on A333 N807NW:

- DL8874 IAD 03.56 - NQY 15.06 A333 N807NW

Aircraft operated JFK-IAD-NQY

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL8874/27fce194


Believe this is a press charter to cover the events
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:26 pm

I heard something about a press charter flight to the G7 being delayed by the cicadas. N807NW had a multi hour delay. I wonder if this is the flight. Anyone hear the same thing and know the details?

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