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laca773
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:25 pm

Is there any word on ATL-SJC returning? I’m surprised it hasn’t re-started yet. If the 757/738/739 are too large for right now, wouldn’t a A319 or A220 (if they have the a/c to operate it now since they fly into SJC) be a good size a/c to reinstate this market? I ask as ONT has up to two nonstops on certain days operating with 738/739/A321s. Additionally, ATL-BUR seemed to be doing well when they still had the 737-7(73W) operating this route pre-pandemic. Once they have enough on hand, this would be a perfect route for the A220s.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:25 pm

Is there any word on ATL-SJC returning? I’m surprised it hasn’t re-started yet. If the 757/738/739 are too large for right now, wouldn’t a A319 or A220 (if they have the a/c to operate it now since they fly into SJC) be a good size a/c to reinstate this market? I ask as ONT has up to two nonstops on certain days operating with 738/739/A321s. Additionally, ATL-BUR seemed to be doing well when they still had the 737-7(73W) operating this route pre-pandemic. Once they have enough on hand, this would be a perfect route for the A220s.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:37 pm

Oilman wrote:
I heard something about a press charter flight to the G7 being delayed by the cicadas. N807NW had a multi hour delay. I wonder if this is the flight. Anyone hear the same thing and know the details?

Edit: Typo


It seems N814NW was initially assigned to operate DL8874 for the White House Press Corps. from IAD to Newquay:

- 08 Jun 2021 IAD - JFK DL9945 A333 N814NW Delayed 15:15
- 08 Jun 2021 ATL - IAD DL8874 A333 N814NW Landed 15:21

According to the BBC:

QUOTE: 'Meanwhile, a charter plane for the White House's travelling press pool failed to take off from Washington after cicadas swarmed the plane's engine. Reporters were stranded overnight at Dulles International Airport and a new plane was flown in as a replacement."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57416519
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:26 pm

I notice DL40 on 06/08 was cancelled and today (06/09) DL40 operated along with a second flight, DL9897, following it by two hours. And I guess as a knock-on effect, DL41 for 06/08 was delayed by some 10 hours, apparently after doing a quick turnaround of one of today's arrivals. Anybody know what happened?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:26 pm

alohashirts wrote:
The SLC airport director is pushing to get nonstops from SLC to both Asia and South America by next year. I wonder if the codeshares with KE and LA could play a role here. SLC-ICN and SLC-LIM make sense.


I Found this information below in the Salt Lake City Airport's master plan and the Aviation Activity Forecast. It's a bit old, but it still is interesting to see the destinations.

2017 Top 25 International Destinations from SLC
Note: Ranking based on FY 2017 O&D Passengers only (total Enplaned and Deplaned Passengers)
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics T-100 segment data
1 London, England LHR
2 Cancun, México CUN
3 Cabo San Lucas, México SJD
4 Toronto, Canada YYZ
5 Vancouver, Canada YVR
6 Puerto Vallarta, México PVR
7 Mexico City, México MEX
8 Paris, France CDG
9 Guadalajara, México GDL
10 Montreal, Canada YUL
11 Amsterdam, Netherlands AMS
12 Calgary, Canada YYC
13 Tokyo, Japan NRT
14 Seoul, South Korea ICN
15 Shanghai, China PVG
16 Frankfurt, Germany FRA
17 Beijing, China PEK
18 Lima, Peru LIM
19 Rome, Italy FCO
20 Hong Kong, China HKG
21 Sydney, Australia SYD
22 San José, Costa Rica SJO
23 Dublin, Ireland DUB
24 Manila, Philippines MNL
25 Edmonton, Canada YEG


2017 Top 25 International Destinations from SLC
Note: Ranking based on addition of connecting passengers to O&D passengers
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics T-100 segment data, 2017
1 Cancun, México CUN
2 London, England LHR
3 Toronto, Canada YYZ
4 Vancouver, Canada YVR
5 Cabo San Lucas, México SJD
6 Puerto Vallarta, México PVR
7 Mexico City, México MEX
8 Paris, France CDG
9 Guadalajara, México GDL
10 Calgary, Canada YYC
11 Amsterdam, Netherlands AMS
12 Shanghai, China PVG
13 Montreal, Canada YUL
14 Tokyo, Japan NRT
15 Seoul, South Korea ICN
16 Frankfurt, Germany FRA
17 Beijing, China PEK
18 Rome, Italy FCO
19 Lima, Peru LIM
20 Hong Kong HKG
21 Sydney, Australia SYD
22 San José, Costa Rica SJO
23 Dublin, Ireland DUB
24 Edmonton, Canada YEG
25 Manila, Philippines MNL
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:51 am

Any chances of DL returning to SWF? AA went back earlier this year.

Also seeing MCI-MSP/DTW has been upgauged back to mainline with 717s returning to DTW-MCI. Wonder how they’re cycling them up to DTW from ATL since they closed the 717 base.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:06 am

SLCutah wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
The SLC airport director is pushing to get nonstops from SLC to both Asia and South America by next year. I wonder if the codeshares with KE and LA could play a role here. SLC-ICN and SLC-LIM make sense.


I Found this information below in the Salt Lake City Airport's master plan and the Aviation Activity Forecast. It's a bit old, but it still is interesting to see the destinations.

2017 Top 25 International Destinations from SLC
Note: Ranking based on FY 2017 O&D Passengers only (total Enplaned and Deplaned Passengers)
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics T-100 segment data
1 London, England LHR
2 Cancun, México CUN
3 Cabo San Lucas, México SJD
4 Toronto, Canada YYZ
5 Vancouver, Canada YVR
6 Puerto Vallarta, México PVR
7 Mexico City, México MEX
8 Paris, France CDG
9 Guadalajara, México GDL
10 Montreal, Canada YUL
11 Amsterdam, Netherlands AMS
12 Calgary, Canada YYC
13 Tokyo, Japan NRT
14 Seoul, South Korea ICN
15 Shanghai, China PVG
16 Frankfurt, Germany FRA
17 Beijing, China PEK
18 Lima, Peru LIM
19 Rome, Italy FCO
20 Hong Kong, China HKG
21 Sydney, Australia SYD
22 San José, Costa Rica SJO
23 Dublin, Ireland DUB
24 Manila, Philippines MNL
25 Edmonton, Canada YEG


2017 Top 25 International Destinations from SLC
Note: Ranking based on addition of connecting passengers to O&D passengers
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics T-100 segment data, 2017
1 Cancun, México CUN
2 London, England LHR
3 Toronto, Canada YYZ
4 Vancouver, Canada YVR
5 Cabo San Lucas, México SJD
6 Puerto Vallarta, México PVR
7 Mexico City, México MEX
8 Paris, France CDG
9 Guadalajara, México GDL
10 Calgary, Canada YYC
11 Amsterdam, Netherlands AMS
12 Shanghai, China PVG
13 Montreal, Canada YUL
14 Tokyo, Japan NRT
15 Seoul, South Korea ICN
16 Frankfurt, Germany FRA
17 Beijing, China PEK
18 Rome, Italy FCO
19 Lima, Peru LIM
20 Hong Kong HKG
21 Sydney, Australia SYD
22 San José, Costa Rica SJO
23 Dublin, Ireland DUB
24 Edmonton, Canada YEG
25 Manila, Philippines MNL

I’d like to see other Delta hubs’ O&D data.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:47 pm

evank516 wrote:
Any chances of DL returning to SWF? AA went back earlier this year.

Also seeing MCI-MSP/DTW has been upgauged back to mainline with 717s returning to DTW-MCI. Wonder how they’re cycling them up to DTW from ATL since they closed the 717 base.

DL has a 717 pilot base at ATL and DTW.
They closed the 717 pilot base in NYC and MSP last year, but they kept the DTW 717 category.
80% of the 717 flying is ATL-based, the remaining ~20% is DTW.

There is typically a couple of "bridge" cities that see 717s from both ATL and DTW to route tails between the two hubs.
In the June schedule CLT and TVC both get 717 RONs from ATL & DTW.

In the past few months its also been places like BNA, PHL, RDU but they have since upgauged those routes out of ATL back to 739, 321, 757 gauge.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:53 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Any chances of DL returning to SWF? AA went back earlier this year.

Also seeing MCI-MSP/DTW has been upgauged back to mainline with 717s returning to DTW-MCI. Wonder how they’re cycling them up to DTW from ATL since they closed the 717 base.

DL has a 717 pilot base at ATL and DTW.
They closed the 717 pilot base in NYC and MSP last year, but they kept the DTW 717 category.
80% of the 717 flying is ATL-based, the remaining ~20% is DTW.

There is typically a couple of "bridge" cities that see 717s from both ATL and DTW to route tails between the two hubs.
In the June schedule CLT and TVC both get 717 RONs from ATL & DTW.

In the past few months its also been places like BNA, PHL, RDU but they have since upgauged those routes out of ATL back to 739, 321, 757 gauge.


Oh I didn’t realize they kept the DTW pilot base. I thought it was all consolidated to ATL now, but glad to see it’s not.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:12 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Any chances of DL returning to SWF? AA went back earlier this year.

Also seeing MCI-MSP/DTW has been upgauged back to mainline with 717s returning to DTW-MCI. Wonder how they’re cycling them up to DTW from ATL since they closed the 717 base.

DL has a 717 pilot base at ATL and DTW.
They closed the 717 pilot base in NYC and MSP last year, but they kept the DTW 717 category.
80% of the 717 flying is ATL-based, the remaining ~20% is DTW.

There is typically a couple of "bridge" cities that see 717s from both ATL and DTW to route tails between the two hubs.
In the June schedule CLT and TVC both get 717 RONs from ATL & DTW.

In the past few months its also been places like BNA, PHL, RDU but they have since upgauged those routes out of ATL back to 739, 321, 757 gauge.


At least that I see this week ATL-BNA has gone all 737-900ER

ATL-BNA 8x daily 737-900ER
BNA-DTW 4x daily 717-200
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:14 pm

gsg013 wrote:
At least that I see this week ATL-BNA has gone all 737-900ER

ATL-BNA 8x daily 737-900ER
BNA-DTW 4x daily 717-200


That strikes me as an odd use of 739s. Couldn't they just throw seven (less fuel efficient) 757s at it, and keep the 739s for longer routes where efficiency matters?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
At least that I see this week ATL-BNA has gone all 737-900ER

ATL-BNA 8x daily 737-900ER
BNA-DTW 4x daily 717-200


That strikes me as an odd use of 739s. Couldn't they just throw seven (less fuel efficient) 757s at it, and keep the 739s for longer routes where efficiency matters?


Agreed. Maybe an indirect result of DL still having some 15 319s in the desert?
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:28 pm

ATL-BNA has seen a mixture of aircraft over the year. However, you have to go back pre-merger to find a time when they regularly operated 757s on ATL-BNA.
Its always had been a primarily MD88 route up until their retirement. Post-merger, BNA has been used often as a bridge-city to route tails and crews between ATL & DTW.
Particularly when they started integrated PMNW and PMDL aircrafts into each others respective hubs.

Pre-merger: mix of MD88 & 757
2010-2013: Mix of MD88, D95, occasionally some A319, A320, 73G
2014-2015: Mix of MD88, 319/320, 738
2016-2018: Almost exclusively MD88, with 1-2 717
2019: Mix of MD88 & 739

Pre-Covid ATL-BNA was typically 11-12x weekdays. Frequency required to facilitate connections throughout the day.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:56 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
At least that I see this week ATL-BNA has gone all 737-900ER

ATL-BNA 8x daily 737-900ER
BNA-DTW 4x daily 717-200


That strikes me as an odd use of 739s. Couldn't they just throw seven (less fuel efficient) 757s at it, and keep the 739s for longer routes where efficiency matters?


Its such a short flight the -900ER can run between longer flights to maximize utilization.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:11 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
At least that I see this week ATL-BNA has gone all 737-900ER

ATL-BNA 8x daily 737-900ER
BNA-DTW 4x daily 717-200


That strikes me as an odd use of 739s. Couldn't they just throw seven (less fuel efficient) 757s at it, and keep the 739s for longer routes where efficiency matters?


There is a lot that the 757 can do that the 739 cannot, and more 739s in the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:39 pm

I'd love to see utilization data for the 757s and 739s. 757s aren't exactly heavy in TATL, Hawaii, or northern S America at this point. It's not like DL has a lot of 2,600+ sm domestic routes.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:11 pm

I get the sense that DL is actively trying to manage cycles on the 757 fleet as it ages.
The general route profile these days 3-4 cycles/day.
The only really super short one they do currently are like ATL-SAV, JAX and the broader ATL- northern Florida stuff.

The 739s tend to on average do upwards of 5-6 cycles per day
A typical 739 "day"
N826DN:
1 PDX-ATL
2 ATL-EWR
3 EWR-ATL
4 ATL-CHM
5 CHM-ATL
6 ATL-CLE

A typical 757 "day"
N687DL
1 DTW-SFO
2 SFO-DTW
3 DTW-TPA
Last edited by PSU.DTW.SCE on Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:11 pm

The general way it has been explained to me, in the case of the DL network and specifically relating to fuel, the 752 does "better" economically on shorter length flights versus 900er and A321s (although still not as good, obviously) and take that to indicate the fuel savings decreases as stage length goes up. If this is true, it makes sense they utilize it quite a bit ATL- Florida, especially because it does have a few extra seats than 900er and 321 and the Florida markets demand that capacity even pre-covid.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:49 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
The general way it has been explained to me, in the case of the DL network and specifically relating to fuel, the 752 does "better" economically on shorter length flights versus 900er and A321s (although still not as good, obviously) and take that to indicate the fuel savings decreases as stage length goes up. If this is true, it makes sense they utilize it quite a bit ATL- Florida, especially because it does have a few extra seats than 900er and 321 and the Florida markets demand that capacity even pre-covid.



Yeah the old days when at 757-200 at 170-175 seats was not going to continue to be economical... boosting that up to 199 pax on the current 757-200 really gave the plane a completely new lease on life. (and significantly better economics).
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:01 am

AC4500 wrote:
SLC-South America? No way.


100% in agreement. Heck, we can´t make SFO-South America work...
Keep calm and wash your hands.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
I'd love to see utilization data for the 757s and 739s. 757s aren't exactly heavy in TATL, Hawaii, or northern S America at this point. It's not like DL has a lot of 2,600+ sm domestic routes.


I would too, and you are right on a limited number of long domestic flights. Delta's bread and butter is relatively short routes east of the Mississippi. Yes, they can deploy some 739s linking the western markets to the east, but especially without the M88 and M90 fleet, every remaining narrowbody fleet is going to have to cover ATL shorthaul turns.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:50 pm

Is there something particularly problematic with the SYD/LAX service (DL41)? I've noticed recently several flights either being excessively delayed or cancelled.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:53 pm

With the MD88 / MD90 retirement, looking at ATL now in 2021 vs. ATL in 2019 you then had 75+ MD88/90s covering, on-average 225-250 daily departures that was almost all medium sized markets in the Central and Eastern timezones, and all out and back-flying to feed the ATL powerhouse.

While not the full amount of flights are back to pre-COVID frequency yet out of ATL, that is still a lot of flights to cover with other fleet types.
A portion of flying / frequency when down in gauge on the thinner routes to 717 - markets like LIT, ICT, GSO, etc.
A larger chunk, particularly with the current environment of less frequency but larger gauge when to A320 but a predominante amount when to 738 & 739.
Markets that in 2019 were almost all MD88/90 like BNA, BHM, EWR, PIT, IAD, RIC, PHL, CLE, CHM that previously saw a lot of MD88/90 action are getting 73N now.
Granted, ATL is running at about 8 flights/day to most of these markets today, versus the 10-12/day they were running pre-COVID.
In the current era of leisure/VFR non-business environment, frequency is a bit less important versus running larger gauge and less frequency.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:35 pm

LAXffDUB wrote:
Is there something particularly problematic with the SYD/LAX service (DL41)? I've noticed recently several flights either being excessively delayed or cancelled.

According to flightaware, taxi times are quite long for that flight (20 to 30 minutes). Could be weight/balance issues due to excess cargo.
Next:
UA: PDX-ORD-BWI
WN: BWI-STL-PDX
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:43 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
With the MD88 / MD90 retirement, looking at ATL now in 2021 vs. ATL in 2019 you then had 75+ MD88/90s covering, on-average 225-250 daily departures that was almost all medium sized markets in the Central and Eastern timezones, and all out and back-flying to feed the ATL powerhouse.

While not the full amount of flights are back to pre-COVID frequency yet out of ATL, that is still a lot of flights to cover with other fleet types.
A portion of flying / frequency when down in gauge on the thinner routes to 717 - markets like LIT, ICT, GSO, etc.
A larger chunk, particularly with the current environment of less frequency but larger gauge when to A320 but a predominante amount when to 738 & 739.
Markets that in 2019 were almost all MD88/90 like BNA, BHM, EWR, PIT, IAD, RIC, PHL, CLE, CHM that previously saw a lot of MD88/90 action are getting 73N now.
Granted, ATL is running at about 8 flights/day to most of these markets today, versus the 10-12/day they were running pre-COVID.
In the current era of leisure/VFR non-business environment, frequency is a bit less important versus running larger gauge and less frequency.

The last time I flew a DL MD-jet was an MD90 in September 2017 on PDX-MSP-PDX. I certainly don't miss them, lol.

The 717s are being retired in 2025 (source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN26G35Z), so a they'll need to implement a long-term plan to replace those jets as well. I assume the A220 will play a major role in replacing these MD88/MD90/B717 jets.
Next:
UA: PDX-ORD-BWI
WN: BWI-STL-PDX
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:25 pm

AC4500 wrote:
LAXffDUB wrote:
Is there something particularly problematic with the SYD/LAX service (DL41)? I've noticed recently several flights either being excessively delayed or cancelled.

According to flightaware, taxi times are quite long for that flight (20 to 30 minutes). Could be weight/balance issues due to excess cargo.


This is more going on than lengthy taxi times I'm afraid. On 06/17 and 06/18 it was delayed by 8-12 hours. Last week there were two other equally lengthy delays along with a cancellation.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm

Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm

Did Delta cut the CPT stopover? The timings don't align with what's currently available for booking.

https://t.co/PDgGX2W6Bl?amp=1
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Did Delta cut the CPT stopover? The timings don't align with what's currently available for booking.

https://t.co/PDgGX2W6Bl?amp=1


Certainly looks like it..adding the CPT stop would make them quite uncompetitive with UA’s nonstops…no mention of CPT in the press release at all
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:11 pm

panamair wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Did Delta cut the CPT stopover? The timings don't align with what's currently available for booking.

https://t.co/PDgGX2W6Bl?amp=1


Certainly looks like it..adding the CPT stop would make them quite uncompetitive with UA’s nonstops…no mention of CPT in the press release at all


It mentions connections available to Cape Town. That’s a pretty good hint that the flight will not serve CPT.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:20 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I get the sense that DL is actively trying to manage cycles on the 757 fleet as it ages.
The general route profile these days 3-4 cycles/day.
The only really super short one they do currently are like ATL-SAV, JAX and the broader ATL- northern Florida stuff.

The 739s tend to on average do upwards of 5-6 cycles per day
A typical 739 "day"
N826DN:
1 PDX-ATL
2 ATL-EWR
3 EWR-ATL
4 ATL-CHM
5 CHM-ATL
6 ATL-CLE

A typical 757 "day"
N687DL
1 DTW-SFO
2 SFO-DTW
3 DTW-TPA


Delta flies to Chimbote in Peru?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:59 pm

spinotter wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I get the sense that DL is actively trying to manage cycles on the 757 fleet as it ages.
The general route profile these days 3-4 cycles/day.
The only really super short one they do currently are like ATL-SAV, JAX and the broader ATL- northern Florida stuff.

The 739s tend to on average do upwards of 5-6 cycles per day
A typical 739 "day"
N826DN:
1 PDX-ATL
2 ATL-EWR
3 EWR-ATL
4 ATL-CHM
5 CHM-ATL
6 ATL-CLE


Delta flies to Chimbote in Peru?


I think that PSU.DTW.SCE was referring to John Glenn Columbus International Airport (CMH) in Columbus, OH instead of Teniente FAP Jaime Montreuil Morales Airport (CHM) in Chimbote, Peru.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Any chances of DL returning to SWF? AA went back earlier this year.

Also seeing MCI-MSP/DTW has been upgauged back to mainline with 717s returning to DTW-MCI. Wonder how they’re cycling them up to DTW from ATL since they closed the 717 base.

DL has a 717 pilot base at ATL and DTW.
They closed the 717 pilot base in NYC and MSP last year, but they kept the DTW 717 category.
80% of the 717 flying is ATL-based, the remaining ~20% is DTW.

There is typically a couple of "bridge" cities that see 717s from both ATL and DTW to route tails between the two hubs.
In the June schedule CLT and TVC both get 717 RONs from ATL & DTW.

In the past few months its also been places like BNA, PHL, RDU but they have since upgauged those routes out of ATL back to 739, 321, 757 gauge.


I've noticed that Delta has been putting the morning flight from ALB to DTW on a 717 starting September 8th. However it's been pushed back for over a year and since we've had A319/20s do that route in the past I think it might come back as an Airbus, but hopefully the 717.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:55 pm

panamair wrote:
Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return


Anyone on the inside know how they are making this work operationally? I understood the CPT stopover as necessary for performance given JNB's hot and high characteristics and the extremely long flight time. Did Airbus offer a PIP on the A359?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:22 am

panamair wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Did Delta cut the CPT stopover? The timings don't align with what's currently available for booking.

https://t.co/PDgGX2W6Bl?amp=1


Certainly looks like it..adding the CPT stop would make them quite uncompetitive with UA’s nonstops…no mention of CPT in the press release at all


Actually there is… mention that their partners can connect passengers to Cape Town. Confused how that works given they don’t partner with any South African airlines, but I digress.

I agree with the previous poster - either DL must’ve gotten something from Airbus or their updated internal performance numbers, or there is going to be a payload/pax hit on the way back.

I’m assuming the change will load tomorrow, as currently, the flights still show via CPT. Clearly keeping after the business traffic as the leisure traffic probably much prefers CPT to JNB
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:18 am

TW870 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return


Anyone on the inside know how they are making this work operationally? I understood the CPT stopover as necessary for performance given JNB's hot and high characteristics and the extremely long flight time. Did Airbus offer a PIP on the A359?

I certainly didn't realize that the B789 can fly nonstop from JNB>EWR without a payload hit according to my sources. I'm surprised that the A359 cannot do the flight to ATL without a payload hit.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:22 am

audidudi wrote:
TW870 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return


Anyone on the inside know how they are making this work operationally? I understood the CPT stopover as necessary for performance given JNB's hot and high characteristics and the extremely long flight time. Did Airbus offer a PIP on the A359?

I certainly didn't realize that the B789 can fly nonstop from JNB>EWR without a payload hit according to my sources. I'm surprised that the A359 cannot do the flight to ATL without a payload hit.



I think UA got a pip from Boeing/GE. Newark is closer than Atlanta by around 400nm if I remember correctly.

Part of the original problem was Delta had a lower MTOW 350. I understand the last couple deliveries have been a higher MTOW.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:27 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
With the MD88 / MD90 retirement, looking at ATL now in 2021 vs. ATL in 2019 you then had 75+ MD88/90s covering, on-average 225-250 daily departures that was almost all medium sized markets in the Central and Eastern timezones, and all out and back-flying to feed the ATL powerhouse.

While not the full amount of flights are back to pre-COVID frequency yet out of ATL, that is still a lot of flights to cover with other fleet types.
A portion of flying / frequency when down in gauge on the thinner routes to 717 - markets like LIT, ICT, GSO, etc.
A larger chunk, particularly with the current environment of less frequency but larger gauge when to A320 but a predominante amount when to 738 & 739.
Markets that in 2019 were almost all MD88/90 like BNA, BHM, EWR, PIT, IAD, RIC, PHL, CLE, CHM that previously saw a lot of MD88/90 action are getting 73N now.
Granted, ATL is running at about 8 flights/day to most of these markets today, versus the 10-12/day they were running pre-COVID.
In the current era of leisure/VFR non-business environment, frequency is a bit less important versus running larger gauge and less frequency.


Do you happening to know Delta’s current ATL flight levels compared to Pre- COVID numbers?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:35 pm

audidudi wrote:
TW870 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return


Anyone on the inside know how they are making this work operationally? I understood the CPT stopover as necessary for performance given JNB's hot and high characteristics and the extremely long flight time. Did Airbus offer a PIP on the A359?

I certainly didn't realize that the B789 can fly nonstop from JNB>EWR without a payload hit according to my sources. I'm surprised that the A359 cannot do the flight to ATL without a payload hit.

I believe there will be a payload hit. Those extra 400nm matter a lot when you are already at the edge of the aircraft’s performance from JNB.

But:

A)Nonstop is necessary to remain competitive with UA

B)In this period of reduced international demand it is unlikely that the plane would be booked to full capacity anyways, so blocking seats when required is not a big deal

When the 777 fleet was dropped and CPT stop planned and announced expectations were much higher on a V shaped recovery which we now know was very optimistic.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:04 pm

Interesting. Would be a nice to see more info



audidudi wrote:
TW870 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Delta will be resuming ATL-JNB starting Aug 1 with 3x weekly service, and it looks like they will not be making the CPT stop - the return will be a nonstop JNB-ATL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-restores-s ... urg-return


Anyone on the inside know how they are making this work operationally? I understood the CPT stopover as necessary for performance given JNB's hot and high characteristics and the extremely long flight time. Did Airbus offer a PIP on the A359?

I certainly didn't realize that the B789 can fly nonstop from JNB>EWR without a payload hit according to my sources. I'm surprised that the A359 cannot do the flight to ATL without a payload hit.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:23 pm

DL ramping up European TATL flights per July and August

https://news.delta.com/trans-atlantic-t ... -travelers
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:56 pm

As per Crankyflier, SEA-IND/MKE/YYC are gone till Mar/Apr 2022 (if they do return, that is). Seems to be in line with the recent loss of focus at IND and other midwestern cities as others have pointed out.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:12 pm

There was questions about current operations at ATL so I went and pulled actual numbers, based on departures for Wed 6/23/21.
Again this using actuals from this Wednesday may miss anything that does not operate on that day (e.g., less-than daily or Sat-only)

ATL
6/23/21:

By Equipment Type:
CRJ2 55
CRJ9 112
E170 3
E75S 17
B712 107
A319 16
A320 44
B738 42
B739 153
A321 93
B752 69
B753 17
B763 10
B764 15
A332 5
A333 13
A359 4
Total - 775
% Mainline - 76%

Delta - Non Scheduled (Sports Charters, Ferry Flights) - 5
A319 1
B739 1
B752 2
BCS3 1

- - -
By Destination:
ABE 3
ABQ 2
ABY 4
AEX 4
AGS 7
ALB 3
AMS 2
ANC 1
ATW 2
AUA 1
AUS 8
AVL 6
BDL 5
BHM 8
BMI 2
BNA 8
BOG 1
BOI 1
BON 1
BOS 10
BQK 3
BTR 4
BTV 1
BUF 3
BWI 7
BZE 1
BZN 1
CAE 8
CDG 2
CHA 7
CHO 3
CHS 9
CID 2
CLE 7
CLT 8
CMH 6
CRW 3
CSG 3
CUN 6
CVG 7
DAB 3
DAL 5
DAY 5
DCA 7
DEN 7
DFW 7
DHN 3
DSM 4
DTW 11
ECP 7
EGE 1
ELH 1
ELP 2
EVV 3
EWR 7
EYW 6
FAY 4
FCO 1
FLL 10
FRA 1
FSD 1
FWA 3
GDL 1
GEG 1
GGT 1
GNV 5
GPT 4
GRB 2
GRR 4
GRU 1
GSO 7
GSP 6
GTR 3
GUA 1
HND 1
HNL 1
HOU 7
HPN 3
HSV 7
HXD 4
IAD 5
IAH 7
ICN 1
ICT 4
ILM 4
IND 6
JAC 1
JAN 7
JAX 8
JFK 5
LAS 8
LAX 10
LEX 7
LFT 4
LGA 7
LHR 1
LIM 1
LIR 1
LIT 6
LOS 1
MBJ 3
MCI 6
MCO 12
MDT 3
MDW 5
MEM 6
MEX 4
MGM 5
MIA 10
MKE 5
MLB 4
MLI 2
MLU 3
MOB 6
MSN 3
MSP 10
MSY 7
MTY 1
MYR 5
NAS 2
OAJ 3
OKC 5
OMA 5
ONT 1
ORD 8
ORF 6
PBI 8
PDX 3
PHL 8
PHX 6
PIT 6
PLS 1
PNS 8
PTY 1
PUJ 2
PVD 2
PVR 1
PWM 1
RAP 1
RDU 9
RIC 7
RNO 1
ROA 3
ROC 4
RSW 8
SAL 1
SAN 3
SAP 1
SAT 6
SAV 9
SBN 3
SCL 1
SDF 8
SDQ 1
SEA 6
SFO 4
SGF 3
SHV 5
SJD 1
SJU 3
SLC 9
SMF 2
SNA 1
SRQ 6
STL 6
STT 3
STX 1
SXM 1
SYR 3
TLH 6
TPA 10
TRI 5
TUL 4
TUS 1
TVC 1
TYS 9
UIO 1
UVF 1
VLD 4
VPS 7
XNA 5
YUL 1
YYZ 1
Total - 775

Comparison to Summer 2019 (FSDan # from here: viewtopic.php?t=1420613 )
(2019 / 2021 (+/1)
CRJ2 120 / 55 (-65)
CRJ7 12 / 0 (-12)
CRJ9 90 / 112 (+22)
E170 4 / 3 (-1)
E75S 0 / 17 (+17)
B712 105 / 107 (+2)
B73G 22 / 0 (-22)
A319 2 / 16 (+14)
MD88 215 / 0 (-215)
MD90 85 / 0 (-85)
A320 39 / 44 (+5)
B738 42 / 42 (-)
B739 111 / 153 (+42)
A321 88 / 93 (+5)
B752 92 / 69 (-23)
B753 11 / 17 (+6)
B763 7 / 10 (+3)
B764 9 / 15 (+6)
A332 1 / 5 (+4)
A333 7 / 13 (+6)
B77E 3 / 0 (-3)
B77L 4 / 0 (-4)
A359 1 / 4 (+3)
Total - 1070 / 775 (-295)

Mainline: 844 / 588 (-256)
DCI: 226 / 187(-39)
% Mainline - 79% / 76%
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:15 pm

...and cross posted from the DTW thread.....as I did the same thing for DL at DTW

Comparison to Summer 2019
CRJ2 86 / 68 (-18)
CRJ7 52 / 19 (-33)
CRJ9 113 / 72 (-41)
E170 6 / 6 (-)
E75S 0 / 23 (+23)
B712 33 / 26 (-7)
BCS1 7 / 4 (-3)
BCS3 0 / 4 (+4)
A319 28 / 10 (-18)
A320 24 / 4 (-20)
B738 2 / 3 (+1)
B739 28 / 19 (-9)
A321 38 / 41 (+3)
B752 21 / 15 (-6)
B753 6 / 6 (-)
B763 6 / 2 (-4)
B764 1 / 0 (-1)
A332 2 / 1 (-1)
A333 3 / 2 (-1)
A359 5 / 3 (-2)

Delta Total 461 / 328 (-133)

Mainline: 204 / 140 (-64)
DCI: 257 / 188 (-69)
% Mainline: 44.2% vs. 42.6% (based on # of departures)

---
Below is comparisons since May 2021

Delta Ops:
Comparison to May 2021

Delta
CRJ2 68 (+10)
CRJ7 19 (-6)
CRJ9 72 (+13)
E170 6 (+1)
E75S 23 (-9)
B712 26 (+18)
BCS1 4 (-11)
BCS3 4 (+4)
A319 10 (-1)
A320 4 (+1)
B738 3 (+3)
B739 19 (-3)
A321 41 (+14)
B752 15 (-1)
B753 6 (-2)
B763 2 (+1)
B764 0 (-1)
A332 1 (-5)
A333 2 (+1)
A359 3 (-)

Delta Total 328 (+27)

---

Delta
ABE 3
ALB 3
AMS 1
APN 2
ATL 11
ATW 3
AUS 3
AZO 3
BDL 4 (+1)
BGM 1
BHM 2
BMI 1
BNA 4
BOS 4
BTV 4 (+2)
BUF 5 (+2)
BWI 4
CDG 1 (+1)
CHA 1 (+1)
CHS 2
CID 3 (+1)
CIU 1
CLE 4
CLT 5 (+1)
CMH 5 (+1)
CUN 2
CVG 5 (+1)
CWA 3 (+1)
DAY 4 (+1)
DCA 4
DEN 4
DFW 4 (+1)
DSM 4 (+2)
ELM 2
ESC 1
EVV 2
EWR 5 (+1)
FLL 5 (-1)
FWA 3 (+1)
GRB 3
GRR 5
GSO 2 (+1)
GSP 2
HND 1
HSV 1
IAD 3
IAH 4
ICN 1
IMT 1
IND 4
ITH 1
JAX 2
JFK 4 (+1)
LAN 4 (+1)
LAS 6
LAX 6
LEX 2
LGA 4
LSE 1
MBS 4
MCI 4
MCO 7 (-1)
MDT 3
MDW 3
MEM 3 (+1)
MEX 1
MIA 2
MKE 4 (+1)
MSN 5 (+2)
MSP 5 (-1)
MSY 2
MYR 1
OKC 0 (-1)
OMA 3
ORD 6 (+3)
ORF 3
PBI 1
PDX 1 (+1)
PHL 4
PHX 4
PIT 5 (+2)
PLN 4 (+2)
PVD 2 (+2)
PWM 3 (-1)
RDU 4
RIC 3 (+1)
ROC 3
RSW 4 (-1)
SAN 2
SAT 2
SAV 1
SAW 2
SBN 3
SDF 3
SEA 4
SFO 2 (-1)
SLC 4 (-1)
SRQ 1
STL 4 (+1)
SYR 3 (-1)
TPA 5 (-1)
TVC 4 (-1)
TYS 3 (+1)
UNV 2 (+1)
YUL 1
YYZ 3 (+1)
Delta Total 328 (+27)
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:21 pm

....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:59 pm

Thanks for putting these together PSU. Interesting that ATL lost a huge number of flights, but is up 15 wide body flights. DTW lost 9. So much traffic is run through ATL, DL can use those widebodies effectively on domestic routes now.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:03 pm

The 764s are used for more flexibility on domestic currently, just like in the past.

joeblow10 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Did Delta cut the CPT stopover? The timings don't align with what's currently available for booking.

https://t.co/PDgGX2W6Bl?amp=1


Certainly looks like it..adding the CPT stop would make them quite uncompetitive with UA’s nonstops…no mention of CPT in the press release at all


Actually there is… mention that their partners can connect passengers to Cape Town. Confused how that works given they don’t partner with any South African airlines, but I digress.


Ever since Delta got out of DKR-CPT, they always sold the connecting route through AF's CDG-CPT.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:17 pm

Lootess wrote:
The 764s are used for more flexibility on domestic currently, just like in the past.

joeblow10 wrote:
panamair wrote:

Certainly looks like it..adding the CPT stop would make them quite uncompetitive with UA’s nonstops…no mention of CPT in the press release at all


Actually there is… mention that their partners can connect passengers to Cape Town. Confused how that works given they don’t partner with any South African airlines, but I digress.


Ever since Delta got out of DKR-CPT, they always sold the connecting route through AF's CDG-CPT.


The press release stated “inter line partners” out of JNB though. Do they interline with SAA? Was very confused… even if they interline, it’s not like those are easy tickets to book/find either for the general public
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:23 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
The 764s are used for more flexibility on domestic currently, just like in the past.

joeblow10 wrote:

Actually there is… mention that their partners can connect passengers to Cape Town. Confused how that works given they don’t partner with any South African airlines, but I digress.


Ever since Delta got out of DKR-CPT, they always sold the connecting route through AF's CDG-CPT.


The press release stated “inter line partners” out of JNB though. Do they interline with SAA? Was very confused… even if they interline, it’s not like those are easy tickets to book/find either for the general public


I believe they still have an interline agreement with SAA, plus they used to be a Skymiles partner before they joined Star Alliance and left ATL.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 pm

Lootess wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
The 764s are used for more flexibility on domestic currently, just like in the past.



Ever since Delta got out of DKR-CPT, they always sold the connecting route through AF's CDG-CPT.


The press release stated “inter line partners” out of JNB though. Do they interline with SAA? Was very confused… even if they interline, it’s not like those are easy tickets to book/find either for the general public


I believe they still have an interline agreement with SAA, plus they used to be a Skymiles partner before they joined Star Alliance and left ATL.

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