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Lootess
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

The press release stated “inter line partners” out of JNB though. Do they interline with SAA? Was very confused… even if they interline, it’s not like those are easy tickets to book/find either for the general public


I believe they still have an interline agreement with SAA, plus they used to be a Skymiles partner before they joined Star Alliance and left ATL.

Nothing seems bootable on delta.com? Everything goes over AMS


They don't tend to book interline only partners on delta.com, only codeshares. With that said I saw the AMS codeshare on Orbitz business as well and in October a seat on DL ATL-JNB, JNB-CPT via South African Airlink 909.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:56 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

The press release stated “inter line partners” out of JNB though. Do they interline with SAA? Was very confused… even if they interline, it’s not like those are easy tickets to book/find either for the general public


I believe they still have an interline agreement with SAA, plus they used to be a Skymiles partner before they joined Star Alliance and left ATL.

Nothing seems bootable on delta.com? Everything goes over AMS

Even before the mass restriction on combinability delta.com was much less willing to offer interline fares than AA,AS, and UA. Interline tickets are available on all the reputable third party sites. Interestingly of the random day I picked to search the fares on ATL-JNB-CPT were exactly the same as ATL-AMS-CPT.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:32 am

The JNB connection at AMS is I believe offered via a KL codeshare through KL591, which is a daily AMS-JNB leaving at 1035 local time
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:26 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47


EZE is missing from the list. Currently operated with 763.
 
jbs2886
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:04 pm

dcajet wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47


EZE is missing from the list. Currently operated with 763.


He caveated his post on that it was only on 6/23. So the list is not missing EZE if it didn’t operate that day.
 
dcajet
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:16 am

jbs2886 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47


EZE is missing from the list. Currently operated with 763.


He caveated his post on that it was only on 6/23. So the list is not missing EZE if it didn’t operate that day.


Indeed he did and I missed it. My apologies.
 
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DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:27 pm

Delta is adding GCM and PTY from JFK starting December 18th and December 19th respectively.
GCM will be operated 1 weekly, and PTY will be operated 4 weekly, both operated with 738’s. GCM is a service resumption having been operated several years ago. There is no press release yet however the flights have been loaded and bookable in the GDS.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:40 pm

If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:14 pm

x1234 wrote:
There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


DL certainly isn't serving that. Nor is UA at EWR, apparently.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:20 pm

x1234 wrote:
If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


Isn't CM cutting back on everything sans MIA/FLL lately?
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:28 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


DL certainly isn't serving that. Nor is UA at EWR, apparently.

Not even with their partners?
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:30 pm

Before this goes off the rails with connections to Asia. Nice relatively low risk adds.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:42 pm

x1234 wrote:
If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


Umm Copa?
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:54 pm

x1234 wrote:
If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


There are 4 daily flights from CM to JFK today and a flight to EWR in UA. More than enough capacity, but definitely needs more competition.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:00 am

adamh8297 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


Isn't CM cutting back on everything sans MIA/FLL lately?


Copa is making some adjustments as other airlines bring back more Central/South America. Copa has some seriously high load factors just because they're the only ones operating with some type of connectivity across their network. I think I saw somewhere that Florida markets are the busiest ever in CM's history.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:31 am

asuflyer wrote:
Delta is adding GCM and PTY from JFK starting December 18th and December 19th respectively.
GCM will be operated 1 weekly, and PTY will be operated 4 weekly, both operated with 738’s. GCM is a service resumption having been operated several years ago. There is no press release yet however the flights have been loaded and bookable in the GDS.


aero network says gcm was last served in 2016 and pty 2008 https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 05217?s=20
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:13 am

GCM should do fine.
I foresee a quick exit from JFKPTY.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:24 am

usxguy wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
If there's a central American market that needs service its PTY. PTY has global businesses from the canal to trans-shipping. There's also Asian connection demand via JFK that AA fails to serve via DFW pre-COVID.


Isn't CM cutting back on everything sans MIA/FLL lately?


Copa is making some adjustments as other airlines bring back more Central/South America. Copa has some seriously high load factors just because they're the only ones operating with some type of connectivity across their network. I think I saw somewhere that Florida markets are the busiest ever in CM's history.


Yeah, CM is up to something like 9 daily on MIA-PTY. Crazy.
 
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Re: DL adds JFK-PTY, GCM

Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:33 am

Adding leisure destinations during a time of low business travel seems pragmatic.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:48 pm

Skywest and DL agree to swap put 16 CRJ900s for E175s starting Q2 2022.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... wE175s.pdf
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:29 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Skywest and DL agree to swap put 16 CRJ900s for E175s starting Q2 2022.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... wE175s.pdf


CRJ900s owned by Skywest, so I wonder if they get leased to Endeavor, etc.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:48 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Skywest and DL agree to swap put 16 CRJ900s for E175s starting Q2 2022.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... wE175s.pdf


CRJ900s owned by Skywest, so I wonder if they get leased to Endeavor, etc.


Does Delta scope have any room left for 16 additional 76-seat outsourced jets?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 pm

trueblew wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Skywest and DL agree to swap put 16 CRJ900s for E175s starting Q2 2022.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... wE175s.pdf


CRJ900s owned by Skywest, so I wonder if they get leased to Endeavor, etc.


Does Delta scope have any room left for 16 additional 76-seat outsourced jets?


Good point - probably not. Is there room to do 70 seats?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:25 am

Delta goes intermodal with single ticket Air-Train connecting service at AMS to Antwerp and Brussels:

11-Aug-2021:

Delta launches Air+Rail program offering convenient and seamless train service between Amsterdam and Brussels, plus Antwerp.
The new agreement enables customers to seamlessly transfer between plane and train at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol with one ticket booking. From the train station, located in Schiphol’s Central Plaza, there is convenient access and frequent service to the heart of Brussels and Antwerp with journey times of just over an hour. Thalys high-speed trains offer a comfortable travel experience with power outlets at each seat as well as wi-fi on every train.

“This Air+Rail program with Thalys is just the beginning, as we look to offer our customers complete peace of mind with fast and convenient train service to a number of destinations throughout Europe. For our European customers, this also provides a great way to travel to Amsterdam to catch flights to destinations throughout the United States,” said Alain Bellemare, Delta’s President - International. “We have learned from our partner airlines, Air France and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines who offer similar programs, and with the rail infrastructure already in place in Europe we are able to provide our customers with increased choice as well as convenient travel options.”

https://news.delta.com/delta-launches-a ... terdam-and
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:51 am

Did/does DL fly to BRU? If they are adding the rail option it could be a way of reducing or completely suspending their presence in Brussels.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:03 pm

DL did fly JFK/ATL-BRU from my memory back in the days of the Atlantic Excellence alliance before Sabena imploded in 2001. I don't know about recent service.

Plain + train is inferior to a flight into BRU itself, except for the cases where a North American n/s xxx-AMS exists where XXX-BRU does not and the traveler was going to need two segments, anyway. UA services xxx-EWR/IAD/ORD-BRU can serve effectively all relevant U.S./Canadian origins pretty effectively.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:19 pm

I'm fairly certain that BRU service existed up to the start of the pandemic.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:20 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
DL did fly JFK/ATL-BRU from my memory back in the days of the Atlantic Excellence alliance before Sabena imploded in 2001. I don't know about recent service.

Plain + train is inferior to a flight into BRU itself, except for the cases where a North American n/s xxx-AMS exists where XXX-BRU does not and the traveler was going to need two segments, anyway. UA services xxx-EWR/IAD/ORD-BRU can serve effectively all relevant U.S./Canadian origins pretty effectively.


Maybe DL knows that it can't make BRU work on its own (after all it is a Star Alliance hub so there is feed on both ends) so it is introducing these kind of options which probably don't cost much.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:23 pm

Blerg wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL did fly JFK/ATL-BRU from my memory back in the days of the Atlantic Excellence alliance before Sabena imploded in 2001. I don't know about recent service.

Plain + train is inferior to a flight into BRU itself, except for the cases where a North American n/s xxx-AMS exists where XXX-BRU does not and the traveler was going to need two segments, anyway. UA services xxx-EWR/IAD/ORD-BRU can serve effectively all relevant U.S./Canadian origins pretty effectively.


Maybe DL knows that it can't make BRU work on its own (after all it is a Star Alliance hub so there is feed on both ends) so it is introducing these kind of options which probably don't cost much.


DL has served BRU-ATL/JFK continuously for decades up until the pandemic. DL will be back once travel picks up, BRU is too important a market not to serve.

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:53 pm

I think BRU service was temporarily suspended after the terminal bombing, but resumed.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:22 pm

Blerg wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL did fly JFK/ATL-BRU from my memory back in the days of the Atlantic Excellence alliance before Sabena imploded in 2001. I don't know about recent service.

Plain + train is inferior to a flight into BRU itself, except for the cases where a North American n/s xxx-AMS exists where XXX-BRU does not and the traveler was going to need two segments, anyway. UA services xxx-EWR/IAD/ORD-BRU can serve effectively all relevant U.S./Canadian origins pretty effectively.


Maybe DL knows that it can't make BRU work on its own (after all it is a Star Alliance hub so there is feed on both ends) so it is introducing these kind of options which probably don't cost much.


As pointed out, this is not based in fact. DL has flown BRU-JFK/ATL (both) for a long time, just hasn't with the pandemic. I anticipate this just allows for more connections over AMS. For example, coming from Seattle, I may prefer a non-stop to AMS and then catch the train over connecting through JFK.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:23 am

DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:04 am

But if New York-Athens works for EK in winter then it makes it a year-round destination. Or does this title applies only if a US carrier manages to operate a route?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:35 am

This again...
ATH works year-round for EK on a 77W and OA and DL operated it year-round for decades (CO also did for 1-2 years).
We are still in a pandemic. Give it time.
AC is making YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH year-round next winter so I highly doubt there is no room for a year-round JFK-ATH on DL at some point.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:34 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022


Thanks for that detail. I'm surprised JFK-LIS is maintained when JFK-BRU is not. That's a lot of cuts - although it look like ATL-GIG returns less-than-weekly a few days before Carnival.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:19 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022


Thanks for that detail. I'm surprised JFK-LIS is maintained when JFK-BRU is not. That's a lot of cuts - although it look like ATL-GIG returns less-than-weekly a few days before Carnival.


Yeah, surprised to see LIS over BRU at all, as I thought LIS was seasonal only for DL before the pandemic.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:22 am

OlympicATH wrote:
This again...
ATH works year-round for EK on a 77W and OA and DL operated it year-round for decades (CO also did for 1-2 years).
We are still in a pandemic. Give it time.
AC is making YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH year-round next winter so I highly doubt there is no room for a year-round JFK-ATH on DL at some point.


Next winter is a century away in the aviation industry and particularly given the current, pandemic induced operating environment. Also, DL did not operate JFK-ATH for decades year round. It did for a few years, and that's it. The market's not there for sustained year-round service. Maybe a few days a week, but that's it.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:48 am

x1234 wrote:
So in Asia DL is the only US3 with wide-body service to MNL (there is UA service to GUM). I still think DL has a chance to make SEA-MNL work. Hell I think DL can make SEA-SIN work too. UA has said that in their Pacific network SIN consistently has the highest yield and pre-COVID was sold out on most days in J and Y. SIN is also the most westernized asian country.


Well sadly as we know now that is not rue, Stupid Delta keeps pulling out of ASIA we lost HKG, SIN.NRT,MNL all on Delta Metal, so now we have to fly Korean so sad.. Delta left and it hurts...
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:24 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
OlympicATH wrote:
This again...
ATH works year-round for EK on a 77W and OA and DL operated it year-round for decades (CO also did for 1-2 years).
We are still in a pandemic. Give it time.
AC is making YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH year-round next winter so I highly doubt there is no room for a year-round JFK-ATH on DL at some point.


Next winter is a century away in the aviation industry and particularly given the current, pandemic induced operating environment. Also, DL did not operate JFK-ATH for decades year round. It did for a few years, and that's it. The market's not there for sustained year-round service. Maybe a few days a week, but that's it.


DL operated ATH year-round from 1991 (when they took over the PanAm transatlantic routes) until 2012 or so and that was alongside OA and TWA (for some time) who also flew the route year-round. That is over two decades.

Since then air travel has grown massively (look at ATH traffic as an example) so I struggle to believe the route wouldn't work in the 2020s.

I think we are basically saying the same thing. We are in the middle of a pandemic so the timing might not be right but there is potential for this to work when traffic levels recover. I also never said it had to be daily.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:20 pm

Does anyone know how long the Olympic - Delta codeshare lasted for? The codeshare definitely helped Delta with year - round service to Athens.

It is no surprise that they stopped year round service when Olympic merged with Aegean and the new company picked Star Alliance so Delta lost the codeshare. Also, the economic crisis back then didn't help either.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:36 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022


A few more details:
- DTW-FRA restarts 19 Dec 2021
- JFK-ATH stops around 18 Nov 2021 and is currently scheduled to restart 8 March 2022; this is a bit different than the regular seasonal scheduling (would end 30 Oct 2021 and restart 26 March 2022).
- JFK-FRA, JFK-ZRH and ATL-MUC restarting 30 Oct 2021 so far: FRA is daily still, ZRH and MUC are 4x weekly
- JFK-LIS runs until early January 2022 just after the holiday season and resumes 7 March 2022 (it was year-round pre-Covid).
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:40 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022


Thanks for that detail. I'm surprised JFK-LIS is maintained when JFK-BRU is not. That's a lot of cuts - although it look like ATL-GIG returns less-than-weekly a few days before Carnival.


Yeah, surprised to see LIS over BRU at all, as I thought LIS was seasonal only for DL before the pandemic.


The difference is that BRU has not restarted at all since Covid whereas LIS did restart this summer so it’s easier to keep postponing BRU and keep LIS going. LIS was seasonal when they started it a few years ago but they made it year-round about two years ago.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:12 am

panamair wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
DL has suspended a number of long haul routes and reduced frequencies for Winter 2021/2022. JFK-BRU, JFK-ATH gone (so much for the argument that ATH works year round....it doesn't, except for EK). DTW-FRA cut for a period of time. JFK-GRU won't operate in February, some ATL TATL routes also cut. PDX-AMS also cut for the winter. Cranky Flyer has the details.

The full list is:

DTW-FRA will not operate in December 2021.
ATL-MAD suspended for Winter 2021/2022.
MSP-LHR cut for the Winter.
JFK-ATH and JFK-BRU cut for the Winter.
PDX-AMS cut for the Winter.
JFK-LIS, JFK-TLV, and JFK-ZRH reduced frequencies for the Winter, and will not operate daily.
ATL-GIG cut for February 2022
JFK-GRU cut for February 2022


A few more details:
- DTW-FRA restarts 19 Dec 2021
- JFK-ATH stops around 18 Nov 2021 and is currently scheduled to restart 8 March 2022; this is a bit different than the regular seasonal scheduling (would end 30 Oct 2021 and restart 26 March 2022).
- JFK-FRA, JFK-ZRH and ATL-MUC restarting 30 Oct 2021 so far: FRA is daily still, ZRH and MUC are 4x weekly
- JFK-LIS runs until early January 2022 just after the holiday season and resumes 7 March 2022 (it was year-round pre-Covid).


Thanks for these.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:22 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Does anyone know how long the Olympic - Delta codeshare lasted for? The codeshare definitely helped Delta with year - round service to Athens.

It is no surprise that they stopped year round service when Olympic merged with Aegean and the new company picked Star Alliance so Delta lost the codeshare. Also, the economic crisis back then didn't help either.


Yes, Delta and Olympic inked a deal in 2009 that was both a code-share and marketing agreement and announced in September 2009. The partnership was fairly limited, with just the JFK-ATH sector (operated by DL) and some points beyond on the US end. This was all around the time that Olympic Airways ceased to exist and was replaced by Olympic Air. Aegean announced in October 2012 it was acquiring Olympic Air. This was Aegean's second attempt and the EU approved it in October 2013.

I believe that any discussion to move Olympic Air into SkyTeam ended in 2010 as the Aegean and Olympic merger/acquisition talks began then. At the time of the first merger announcements, Aegean was in the process of becoming a full Star Alliance member. Aegean's path to Star Alliance membership continued with the airlines supposedly working in tandem toward a full transition of the merged carrier into the Star Alliance. So, Olympic never joined SkyTeam.

And yes, Greece's economic and debit crisis emerged from late 2009.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:58 am

b777900 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
So in Asia DL is the only US3 with wide-body service to MNL (there is UA service to GUM). I still think DL has a chance to make SEA-MNL work. Hell I think DL can make SEA-SIN work too. UA has said that in their Pacific network SIN consistently has the highest yield and pre-COVID was sold out on most days in J and Y. SIN is also the most westernized asian country.


Well sadly as we know now that is not rue, Stupid Delta keeps pulling out of ASIA we lost HKG, SIN.NRT,MNL all on Delta Metal, so now we have to fly Korean so sad.. Delta left and it hurts...


Delta is a business. I don’t like to see routes discontinued like that either, but they are in business to make money. They apparently didn’t think dropping those routes was “stupid”. They felt it was the correct decision for their business.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:08 am

When do BOS/MSP-KEF end?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:49 am

BTW, when does Delta usually announce its new routes for next summer?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:04 pm

dcajet wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47


EZE is missing from the list. Currently operated with 763.


How can HND or ICN be one aircraft? is it because they are 3x weekly? If daily service then requires more, surely... ?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:26 pm

NZ321 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
....and another cut...

Widebody Flying by Fleet Type at ATL

Delta 47

A332 5
LOS 1
MSP 1
PHX 1
SLC 2

A333 13
AMS 1
BOS 1
CDG 1
CUN 1
DTW 2
FCO 1
FRA 1
GRU 1
HNL 1
LHR 1
SLC 2

A359 4
AMS 1
CDG 1
HND 1
ICN 1

B763 10
ANC 1
BOG 1
JFK 1
LAS 1
LIM 1
MCO 2
MSP 1
SAN 1
SCL 1

B764 15
DEN 2
LAS 3
LAX 1
PDX 2
SAN 2
SEA 1
SFO 1
SJU 3
Grand Total 47


EZE is missing from the list. Currently operated with 763.


How can HND or ICN be one aircraft? is it because they are 3x weekly? If daily service then requires more, surely... ?


His summary was clearly the number of daily flights with each type to each destination, not number of aircraft required to operate them.

Jeremy
 
NZ321
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:46 pm

"Widebody Flying by Fleet Type" doesn't quite clarify that does it? In many threads the answer would be different. So "clearly" as you say, is actually, not so clear. :) But glad to be more informed nonetheless; many thanks indeed.

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