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Re: French routes news thread

Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:35 pm

Clermont-Ferrand continues its long decline... from being a hub airport for Régional 21 years, it has now lost its last scheduled international route

The only year-round routes are to Paris. There are also summer seasonal routes to Nice and Corsica
 
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French routes news thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:34 pm

Welcome to the 2021 French route news thread

Please continue below

Link to the previous edition >> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1380853
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:50 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Clermont-Ferrand continues its long decline... from being a hub airport for Régional 21 years, it has now lost its last scheduled international route

The only year-round routes are to Paris. There are also summer seasonal routes to Nice and Corsica


What led them to this? What caused this gradual and continous decline over the years?
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:28 pm

Regional, a regional French airline, used to have a hub in Clermont-Ferrand. Then Air France bought Regional and in 2003 moved the hub from Clermont-Ferrand to Lyon. What remains of Regional now forms part of Hop!
Lyon has a metropolitan population (i.e. including suburbs) of about 2.3 million, while Clermont-Ferrand manages just 500,000 people

Wikipedia thinks that in summer 2006:
AF / Regional flew to - Ajaccio, Amsterdam, Basel/Mulhouse, Bastia, Biarritz, Bordeaux, Brussels, Geneva, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Milan-Malpensa, Nantes, Nice, Porto, Strasbourg, Toulouse
Portugalia flew to - Lisbon and Porto

There was an attempt by FlyKISS in 2016 to set up a small based operation to Lille, London, Nice and Strasbourg - I think it lasted about 6 months

The last international route was with Ryanair to Porto in Portugal - serving the Portuguese community living in France
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:24 pm

Any updates regarding JET AIRLINES LET410 operations between Roanne and Toussus-le-Noble? Did they ever took off? Or when will operation commence?
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:34 pm

"Ouverture de la liaison Roanne-Paris prochainement" on the website or "Roanne-Paris route opening soon" suggests it maybe hasn't started quite yet ! :-)
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:38 pm

Ryanair website no longer lists Dinard. Is it going to have commercial scheduled flights in 2021, or will it end up as a zombie airport ?
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:12 pm

From the "Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021":

Air France is planning several seasonal routes for Summer 21
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:45 am

Twin Jet (T7) is planning a twice weekly flight between LPY (Le-Puy-en-Velay) and ORY from April 13, 2021 on.

Tu-Th: LPY 06h50 - ORY 08h00
Tu-Th: ORY 18h50 - LPY 19h55

Operated with a Beechcraft 1900. Roundtrip at €200. Possibility to become daily Mo-Fr.

Article in French
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 pm

AF to operate flights between Paris and Maputo from 20 June 2021, twice a week via JNB:

TH, SU: AF990 CDG 23h25 - MPM 13h10
MO, FR : AF995 MPM 15h45 - CDG 05h45

https://twitter.com/airplusnews/status/1380829419841945615?s=20
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:32 pm

AF to start flights to Denver, CO from July 2 til October 29, 2021 with a Boeing 787-9.

WE-FR-SU: AF630 CDG 13h10 - DEN 15h20
WE-FR-SU: AF631 DEN 17h30 - CDG 10H50 (+1)

It's the first time AF serves Denver.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-france-denver-flights/
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 12:24 pm

New French airline Air Catalogne, based at PGF (Perpignan), will start operations in June with a wet leased ATR72.

"From June 18, it will offer round-trip Perpignan-Palma-Ibiza flights on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays with an average seat price of € 90 including tax.

At the beginning of July, Air Catalogne could also offer Perpignan-Roissy flights on weekends with two rotations per week and an average price of € 130 including tax."

Article in French.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 1:00 pm

Do Air Catalogne have a website ? Did a search but couldn't find one.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 2:50 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Do Air Catalogne have a website ? Did a search but couldn't find one.


The article says it should be open today but I couldn't find it either.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 7:35 pm

ro1960 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Do Air Catalogne have a website ? Did a search but couldn't find one.


The article says it should be open today but I couldn't find it either.


It is online now : https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 8:11 pm

Alsatian wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Do Air Catalogne have a website ? Did a search but couldn't find one.


The article says it should be open today but I couldn't find it either.


It is online now : https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/


Thanks ! They don't have online booking yet, just a pre-order form to be contacted later by an representative. Odd.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 10:34 pm

ro1960 wrote:
New French airline Air Catalogne, based at PGF (Perpignan), will start operations in June with a wet leased ATR72.

"From June 18, it will offer round-trip Perpignan-Palma-Ibiza flights on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays with an average seat price of € 90 including tax.

At the beginning of July, Air Catalogne could also offer Perpignan-Roissy flights on weekends with two rotations per week and an average price of € 130 including tax."

Article in French.


Well, flying only on WEEKENDS it seems - and the rest of the week?! :scratchchin:
Btw. more infos availabe about the aircraft?! According to the webpage an ATR, but the picture looks more like an EMB135: https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/actualites.html
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 2:09 am

La compagnie finally resuming tatl this summer. Really excited

https://twitter.com/thepointsguy/status ... 15559?s=20
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 am

debonair wrote:

Well, flying only on WEEKENDS it seems - and the rest of the week?! :scratchchin:
Btw. more infos availabe about the aircraft?! According to the webpage an ATR, but the picture looks more like an EMB135: https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/actualites.html


They don’t own aircraft at the moment from what I understand. So they lease as they need. The EMB was probably for what they call “the inaugural flight” carrying a rugby team to England.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:17 pm

Air Catalogne doesn't have an AOC. They are using the licence of a travel agency to sell the seats.
Sounds they are chartering the plane from the portugese subsidiary of Chalair
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:46 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Air Catalogne doesn't have an AOC. They are using the licence of a travel agency to sell the seats.
Sounds they are chartering the plane from the portugese subsidiary of Chalair


The airline cancelled all flights for 2021...

https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:57 pm

debonair wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Air Catalogne doesn't have an AOC. They are using the licence of a travel agency to sell the seats.
Sounds they are chartering the plane from the portugese subsidiary of Chalair


The airline cancelled all flights for 2021...

https://www.air-catalogne.com/fr/


This venture looked very fragile and I may be wrong, but the owners seem to be overly optimistic:
"...the wait for the project that we are carrying is very real! The sometimes political, economic and above all returns from Catalan travelers confirm this need for a regional airline, based in Perpignan".

If there was such a demand, why didn't U2, FR or VY swamp the place with flights?
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:55 pm

La Compagnie resumes flights on two routes : ORY - EWR, NCE - EWR

Opens two new routes: ORY - TLV and MPX - EWR

La Compagnie schedule.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:59 am

ro1960 wrote:
La Compagnie resumes flights on two routes : ORY - EWR, NCE - EWR

Opens two new routes: ORY - TLV and MPX - EWR

La Compagnie schedule.


Image
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:19 pm

Does anyone know if Finistair's flights on Brest - Belle Ile - Vannes - Belle Ile - Vannes are really happening ?
I've looked on FR24 using the playback function - I can see other recreational light, privately owned prop aircraft, flying in and around Belle Ile... bur Finistair's passenger aircraft do not seem to show up...
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 am

Starting from 31.07 Air Serbia will increase BEG-CDG to 14 weekly in addition to Air France's 5 weekly.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:10 am

Transavia is (re) starting ORY-SCQ 2-weekly in winter season.

It was announced for winter 2020/2021 but cancelled because of COVID although there were a few flights operated around Christmas.
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 pm

July 14: French Bee finally starts ORY-EWR.

3x a week in July, then 4x in August with a A350-900.

One ways start at $139.

Onboard French bee’s Inaugural Flight from Newark to Paris-Orly
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:37 am

How does the flight work as Europeans (French in that case) can't go to USA yet.... ?
 
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Re: French routes news thread - 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:00 pm

nicode wrote:
How does the flight work as Europeans (French in that case) can't go to USA yet.... ?


I guess like any other USA-Europe flight at the moment.
 
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French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:55 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/FBU719/292fad6e

Any idea why the French Bee is flying to YYZ?
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:08 am

turjo101 wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/FBU719/292fad6e

Any idea why the French Bee is flying to YYZ?


Interesting routing for sure! Searched the flight number and it looks to be a scheduled service, ORY-YYZ-PPT-YYZ-ORY. It is bookable on French Bee's website, a whopping 21hrs15min on board with a fuel stop in YYZ.

Unfortunately YYZ-PPT-YYZ is not bookable.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:58 am

First result in Google for "french bee toronto":

French Bee moves Canadian stopover to Toronto - ch-aviation

French Bee (BF, Paris Orly) has announced that all of its flights between Paris Orly and Papeete will operate with a refuelling stopover at Toronto Pearson airport rather than the usual Vancouver Int'l through October 4, 2021.

The carrier did not provide any rationale for the change. Flightradar24 ADS-B data indicates the first flight to use the new routing did so on July 30, 2021.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:05 am

Are passengers allowed to get off the plane during the tech stop at YYZ? Which terminal does the plane park at? Does it actually park at the terminal or at a remote stand?
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:46 am

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Are passengers allowed to get off the plane during the tech stop at YYZ? Which terminal does the plane park at? Does it actually park at the terminal or at a remote stand?


They park at T3 C gates. All pax remain on board. Unlike at LAX (AF, TN) or SFO (BF), pax don't have to clear immigration at YYZ enroute to PPT v.v.

Anyone can just walk out of the departure lounge at YYZ out onto the street, so deplaning wouldn't be permissible without requiring all pax to clear immigration.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:40 am

Does anyone know how they change crew en-route and how long each crew is staying at each station? Does the crew stopping in YYZ get the same plane they left that turned in PPT? This kind of flight is not really crew efficient for the airline.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:24 am

hoons90 wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Are passengers allowed to get off the plane during the tech stop at YYZ? Which terminal does the plane park at? Does it actually park at the terminal or at a remote stand?


They park at T3 C gates. All pax remain on board. Unlike at LAX (AF, TN) or SFO (BF), pax don't have to clear immigration at YYZ enroute to PPT v.v.

Anyone can just walk out of the departure lounge at YYZ out onto the street, so deplaning wouldn't be permissible without requiring all pax to clear immigration.


I have no idea what the situation is like in YYZ, but apparently I'm YVR there is (was?) a part at the end of the internal terminal partitioned off so pax get off there. There are a few YouTube videos online showing this, this one was the first I found: https://youtu.be/q9ID0mouy2g (check out from app. 1:30:00)
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:10 am

The YVR technical stops moved to YYC initially on a temporary basis supposedly because of fueling issues at YVR, whether it was a fuel shortage or something else. French bee's COVID-19 page by late July specified all PPT flights would stop at YYZ each way, but as noted there was no specific reason given, so we can only speculate.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:20 am

Almost 20 hours on a French Bee A350 without any ability to get off the plane must be pure torture, although I’m sure they are not filled to capacity at the moment.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:54 pm

The tech stop in YVR was better as it is exactly mid-point on the routing. To be more precise the difference is 42nm.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CDG-YVR-PP ... =wls&DU=nm
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:47 pm

YVR makes more sense on a map, but I've heard they've been having issues with their supply of JET-A lately.

The rumor I've heard is fuel there is available, but they're having issues with transporting it to the airport, so the supply on hand is not as much as usual and thus it's being priced accordingly, so operators have been trying to uplift some extra fuel at other stops and only buy what they really need at the Vancouver stops.
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:07 pm

Air France and Air Tahiti Nui do the same via Canada as they cannot operate via historic LAX stopover during COVID times.
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:38 pm

COA75 wrote:

I have no idea what the situation is like in YYZ, but apparently I'm YVR there is (was?) a part at the end of the internal terminal partitioned off so pax get off there. There are a few YouTube videos online showing this, this one was the first I found: https://youtu.be/q9ID0mouy2g (check out from app. 1:30:00)


This is correct.

They should move the stopover point to YUL, as it can accomodate the transiting passengers in a partitioned off section as well, same as YVR. It already does so with RJ on the DTW tag, and did with CA when they flew from YUL to HAV. Plus no JET-A issues.

YVR seems to be having a lot of issues lately, not just fuel. Standby power for runway ops has been unserviceable for several months now as well, rendering their runways as "non precision only". Meaning higher minimums on final approach, and no CAT II/III approaches available.

https://extranetapps.navcanada.ca/ois/ois.aspx

Scroll down to "outages and runway closures" section.
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:46 pm

I saw that exact flight fly over me in Moab,UT a few days ago.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:06 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
They should move the stopover point to YUL, as it can accomodate the transiting passengers in a partitioned off section as well, same as YVR. It already does so with RJ on the DTW tag, and did with CA when they flew from YUL to HAV.

Or just move to Terminal One in YYZ.

In transit International to International connections are common. A large transit lounge with dozens of restaurants, stores, bars, etc make the transit very comfortable.
 
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CrewBunk wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
They should move the stopover point to YUL, as it can accomodate the transiting passengers in a partitioned off section as well, same as YVR. It already does so with RJ on the DTW tag, and did with CA when they flew from YUL to HAV.

Or just move to Terminal One in YYZ.

In transit International to International connections are common. A large transit lounge with dozens of restaurants, stores, bars, etc make the transit very comfortable.


The fact they’re not in T1 already probably means AC or the GTAA isn’t letting them. Lack of avbl gates at that time maybe?
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:25 pm

I noticed that some aircraft that fly to Paris Le Bourget (LBG) sometimes switch to Vatry (XCR) or Beauvais (BVA) and vice-versa. My question is, why do they sometimes prefer an airport 20+ miles out of the city instead of just using the airport which is already in the city. Is it because of logistical reasons? Is Le Bourget sometimes congested enough to not allow other aircraft to park there?
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:32 pm

9252fly wrote:
The tech stop in YVR was better as it is exactly mid-point on the routing. To be more precise the difference is 42nm.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CDG-YVR-PP ... =wls&DU=nm


That may be best for fuel efficiency but it's not necessarily otherwise ideal. Sleep timing, for example. An A350 ought to have LOTS of flexibility in where they position a fuel stop.

According to Great Circle Mapper, Winnipeg is only a 1 mile diversion from a great circle route. How many occasions do the French get to visit Winnipeg? :)
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:55 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
According to Great Circle Mapper, Winnipeg is only a 1 mile diversion from a great circle route. How many occasions do the French get to visit Winnipeg? :)


Something evil within me would love to see a French Bee crew (or an Air Tahiti Nui crew going the other way) enjoying a long layover in Winnipeg in February when it’s -40°. ;)
 
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Re: French Bee: PPT-YYZ?

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:51 pm

Polot wrote:
Almost 20 hours on a French Bee A350 without any ability to get off the plane must be pure torture, although I’m sure they are not filled to capacity at the moment.

Similar situation was unfortunately quite routine back in the early 2000s. Back then, non-stop flight between East Coast and East Asia beyond Korea and Japan was impossible. Cathay Pacific flew its HKG-YYZ route with a tech stop at ANC. After 9/11, passengers were no longer allowed to deplane at ANC for a few years. I flew that route a lot, on an A340-300. It took over 19 hrs westbound. The plane leaves YYZ at around 1am local time, arrives at ANC about 5 hrs later. You are tired and mostly asleep, and you are woken up for the landing to adjust your seats, etc. The A/C is then turned off for the refueling but the cabin light would be all turned on. The air is stuffed with the smell of gas with minimal circulation. You are sleepy but you can't sleep because of the light and you know the plane will leave in about 90 min. The worst part is you know there is still 12 hrs ahead!

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