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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:00 pm

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\Spacepope- I'm interested in your take on an angle, if you are willing to play along. IF you were starting up a cargo company today and had to choose either a DC-8-73F or a 747-200F, which jet would you go with and why?


Can I play? Assuming similar hours vis-a-vis LOV are available, I would first check to see if the missions could be accomplished with the range/payload of the DC8-73. As long as I have 3 crew and 4 engines either way, I'm thinking that engine availability may be better on the DC8. OTOH, finding repair capability at outstations will likely be easier with the 742, but finding serviceable, reliable engines may be more problematic. The enthusiast in me would probably be more-enamored with the DC8.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:06 pm

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Skyliner-aviation.de reports Areostan has put it's 742F back into service, blasting away with JT9D power.

EX-47001 (formerly with United, NW Cargo and Kalitta)


Good to see 47001 getting back into the game. It operated into Vietnam earlier today. EX-47002, another 742F is also set to spread its wings again.

Spacepope- I'm interested in your take on an angle, if you are willing to play along. IF you were starting up a cargo company today and had to choose either a DC-8-73F or a 747-200F, which jet would you go with and why?


Well now, I'm just a paleontologist, so this is just fanboy arm waving, however it's a huge "it depends". The DC-8-73 does have the advantage of smaller size so the use of it on ad-hoc regional routes makes it easier to consistently fill. Its engines are also easier to support, however since there's literally less than a dozen flying all the rest of the spares are going to be rare and spendy. You aren't flying this transoceanic though, it's local traffic you're hunting.

However to make a quick buck a lot of the recent COVID shipping is Asia-Europe or North America where a 742F makes a lot of sense, especially with CF6-50 engines. Kalitta retired their last 3 examples because of no green time on any of the engines (JT9D). However airframe spares are orders of magnitude more common, and if you get a decent price and hang some motors on with a thousand hours of life left, you could make a lot of money nowadays and treat the aircraft as disposable.

One thing I'm seeing across the area in the mountain west right now is that companies are chugging along with the equipment they had on hand before the virus. Good enough for now but you're going to end up seeing disposal of some very tired things and demand for replacement will spike. This will send a shock through supply chains as manufacturers try to bump production (I'm guessing late Feb to March) when they will have no choice but to pull the trigger on old equipment that is keeping them from doing their jobs, and the bottom-feeding of the used markets dries up supplies. In this sort of scenario, the 742F is much more valuable (bringng the stupid random need-it-now stuff from Asia to maintain production, where those thinking of the DC8 will find stiffer local market competition from 738F and smaller haulers.

Of course the longer pax belly freight is out of the equation, the more interesting these revivals (and the 727-225F possible ressurection I mentioned a few days ago) will get.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:52 pm

Spacepope: Only one point to consider. The DC8-73F is a 762 competitor, not so much a 738 competitor. 18 pallets vs 11 or 12. Also, it's got some pretty-decent range. But I don't dispute your analysis.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:10 pm

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Spacepope: Only one point to consider. The DC8-73F is a 762 competitor, not so much a 738 competitor. 18 pallets vs 11 or 12. Also, it's got some pretty-decent range. But I don't dispute your analysis.


Yeah they are pretty similar on the main deck, but lower deck included the 762 carries a bit more. I mentioned the 738 as the ranges for typical use would be similar, more likely to go out full and of course if you need a bunch more stuff hauled, fly a second trip. A Dc-8 really is a completely different beast than a 742, but nowadays if you can really make money off either one used well for a year or two. If you’re planning like 4 years or longer neither will be a great option, but if you’re burning green time, while fuel is pretty cheap and demand is high they can print you money.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:26 am

I'm also wondering what IS the relevant CFM-56 engine situation these days? With so very many military aircraft re-engined with CFM-56s (like 500 KC-135s alone...), is there an ongoing demand for them and thus overhauled ones readily-available? I just don't have a sense of it.

I'm also not sure what if any the meaningful differences are between the CFM56-2B1 used on the KC135s, etc., and the -2C1 used on the DC8-70. They have the same thrust and such, but I don't know if they're readily-interchangeable, or whether they're like the V2500-A5 vs the -D5 on the MD90s, the differences in which led to one being easy to find an overhaul shop for at a reasonable price, whereas the D5...isn't.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:05 am

Just noticed that Everts Air Cargo sent a 27 year old MD-83 to DHN from TUS for conversion recently. N963CE is the new registration. It was formerly N974AS for Alaska and Ryan International (which operated for JPATS). It has sat in Tucson since 2012. Sheesh. Although this frame is relatively young compared to some others being converted, pretty remarkable to see some of these birds that have been stored for such a long time getting a new life. There’s a group of a few old Allegiant MDs at BHM that seem to be preparing to get sent off for conversion, although most of those have only been stored for about two years. Seemed like they were all headed straight to scrap initially
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:02 pm

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CX747 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Skyliner-aviation.de reports Areostan has put it's 742F back into service, blasting away with JT9D power.

EX-47001 (formerly with United, NW Cargo and Kalitta)


Good to see 47001 getting back into the game. It operated into Vietnam earlier today. EX-47002, another 742F is also set to spread its wings again.

Spacepope- I'm interested in your take on an angle, if you are willing to play along. IF you were starting up a cargo company today and had to choose either a DC-8-73F or a 747-200F, which jet would you go with and why?


Well now, I'm just a paleontologist, so this is just fanboy arm waving, however it's a huge "it depends". The DC-8-73 does have the advantage of smaller size so the use of it on ad-hoc regional routes makes it easier to consistently fill. Its engines are also easier to support, however since there's literally less than a dozen flying all the rest of the spares are going to be rare and spendy. You aren't flying this transoceanic though, it's local traffic you're hunting.

However to make a quick buck a lot of the recent COVID shipping is Asia-Europe or North America where a 742F makes a lot of sense, especially with CF6-50 engines. Kalitta retired their last 3 examples because of no green time on any of the engines (JT9D). However airframe spares are orders of magnitude more common, and if you get a decent price and hang some motors on with a thousand hours of life left, you could make a lot of money nowadays and treat the aircraft as disposable.

One thing I'm seeing across the area in the mountain west right now is that companies are chugging along with the equipment they had on hand before the virus. Good enough for now but you're going to end up seeing disposal of some very tired things and demand for replacement will spike. This will send a shock through supply chains as manufacturers try to bump production (I'm guessing late Feb to March) when they will have no choice but to pull the trigger on old equipment that is keeping them from doing their jobs, and the bottom-feeding of the used markets dries up supplies. In this sort of scenario, the 742F is much more valuable (bringng the stupid random need-it-now stuff from Asia to maintain production, where those thinking of the DC8 will find stiffer local market competition from 738F and smaller haulers.

Of course the longer pax belly freight is out of the equation, the more interesting these revivals (and the 727-225F possible ressurection I mentioned a few days ago) will get.


Whole lot of good point there and things that have been bouncing around in my head like wise. You kind of play the DC-8s engines vs the 747's known stature and parts elsewhere against one another.

I would love to see the 727-225F come back out to grace the skies again. -19 stinks but it has been wonderful to watch all the cargo jets and operators move to fill needs.

Slight change of topic but N729CA, the last of the 3 National 747-400s to come back from 6 years in the desert is operational. It is over the Pacific, Westbound at 34,000ft out of ANC for HKG. It's first transoceanic mission in over half a decade!!!
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:12 pm

I understand that Evert's out of ANC has a DC983 in for conversion, how long will in take?? I would assume its going for a HVM since it sat in the desert for 10 years IIRC.??
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:54 pm

wjcandee wrote:
CX747 wrote:
\Spacepope- I'm interested in your take on an angle, if you are willing to play along. IF you were starting up a cargo company today and had to choose either a DC-8-73F or a 747-200F, which jet would you go with and why?


Can I play? Assuming similar hours vis-a-vis LOV are available, I would first check to see if the missions could be accomplished with the range/payload of the DC8-73. As long as I have 3 crew and 4 engines either way, I'm thinking that engine availability may be better on the DC8. OTOH, finding repair capability at outstations will likely be easier with the 742, but finding serviceable, reliable engines may be more problematic. The enthusiast in me would probably be more-enamored with the DC8.

It's not just engines, but sourcing consumables can also be a problem for these old types. I recently read an interview about keeping the NASA DC-8 in operation (I am sorry I cannot find it any more).
If I remember correctly one of the biggest problems was sourcing tyres, and they ended up buying an entire production run, which was 50 sets(?). As a DC-8 is so uncommon these days, they carry a tow bar and spare tires in the cargo hold.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:21 pm

AFAIK a 747-200SF or -F would be more easy to maintain than a DC8-70 series, seen the difficulty to source servicable DC8 spare parts
Many 742 rotable parts are also used at the 747-400 series.
Most favourable would be a 742 powered with GE CF6-50E2 engines
This type of engine is still repaired and overhauled for the E-4B's (CF6-50E2) and the KC-10's (CF6-50C2) by MTU Maintenance Canada
See : https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-co ... eed-martin
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:12 pm

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AFAIK a 747-200SF or -F would be more easy to maintain than a DC8-70 series, seen the difficulty to source servicable DC8 spare parts
Many 742 rotable parts are also used at the 747-400 series.
Most favourable would be a 742 powered with GE CF6-50E2 engines
This type of engine is still repaired and overhauled for the E-4B's (CF6-50E2) and the KC-10's (CF6-50C2) by MTU Maintenance Canada
See : https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-co ... eed-martin


Who does it for FedEx on their MD-10-30s, or is it in-house? I was really surprised to see the GeoSky 742F in service using pretty old early RB211s.

It just amazes me that some operators will decide to park fleets rather than overhaul engines. These sorta fly by night central Asian operators will have some interesting choices to make especially when trying to swap enough ancient engines with just enough green toile on them, but perhaps they can make enough profit before passenger widebody belly space returns.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:55 am

747classic wrote:
AFAIK a 747-200SF or -F would be more easy to maintain than a DC8-70 series, seen the difficulty to source servicable DC8 spare parts
Many 742 rotable parts are also used at the 747-400 series.
Most favourable would be a 742 powered with GE CF6-50E2 engines
This type of engine is still repaired and overhauled for the E-4B's (CF6-50E2) and the KC-10's (CF6-50C2) by MTU Maintenance Canada
See : https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-co ... eed-martin


Valid point there on the GE CF6s continuing to serve in a fleet if 70+ aircraft equaling 250+ engines. The DC-8 would win from an enthusiasts point but I think a GE powered 747-200P2F or factory made would be the way to go in that scenario.

National's N729CA, has departed the previous British Territory of Hong Kong and is making her way Eastward at 31,000ft and 679kts. Another 747-400 has truly awoken and is back fighting the Pacific during the long winter months.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 am

Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:53 am

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Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:

Air Hong Kong 744F B-HUR at MZJ:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHUR

Asiana Cargo 744F HL7414 at VCV:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HL7414

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:59 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:

Air Hong Kong 744F B-HUR at MZJ:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHUR

Asiana Cargo 744F HL7414 at VCV:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HL7414

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve


Thank you for the info. There must be a lot of work to be done on these or else they would be flying. I do know of some 777F's that are in storage as well. Also, it is up to each owner what is best for their specific situation.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:10 am

JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


Did some planespotters.net searching, and it doesn’t seem like much is available. There’s two former China Airlines factory freighters that have been stored in VCV since 2012 (B-18702, B-18703). No clue on the condition. There’s also a P2F 744, stored at MZJ since 2019, that formerly flew for Cathay Pacific. It’s now registered as N251KW under Alta Air Holdings (I believe this is Eastern Airlines destined if it’s under Alta, remember seeing that they were talking about a 744F somewhere). There’s two former Eva Air Cargo P2F 744s, stored at MHV since 2016, that seem to be registered to Atlas (N618BC, N492CS). Anyone know anything about those two? Did Atlas just use those for parts? There’s also an Asiana P2F 744 that has been stored at VCV since 2017 (HL7414). There’s a few more that are showing as stored that I won’t go into detail on but will list the tail numbers: N925BA, N570B, HS-TGH, and B-2458. Anyone know anything about some of these frames?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:20 am

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JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


Did some planespotters.net searching, and it doesn’t seem like much is available. There’s two former China Airlines factory freighters that have been stored in VCV since 2012 (B-18702, B-18703). No clue on the condition. There’s also a P2F 744, stored at MZJ since 2019, that formerly flew for Cathay Pacific. It’s now registered as N251KW under Alta Air Holdings (I believe this is Eastern Airlines destined if it’s under Alta, remember seeing that they were talking about a 744F somewhere). There’s two former Eva Air Cargo P2F 744s, stored at MHV since 2016, that seem to be registered to Atlas (N618BC, N492CS). Anyone know anything about those two? Did Atlas just use those for parts? There’s also an Asiana P2F 744 that has been stored at VCV since 2017 (HL7414). There’s a few more that are showing as stored that I won’t go into detail on but will list the tail numbers: N925BA, N570B, HS-TGH, and B-2458. Anyone know anything about some of these frames?


Seems that we typed our lists at about the same time lol. Heard about (or have actually seen in some cases) most of those aircraft. The China Airlines and Asiana aircraft (total of 3) at VCV are all in pretty decent condition. Add engines, maybe do a taxi test or two, and they’re off. (Visibly speaking). Now whether they are due for HMV soon is another story (and possibly why they are stored in the first place).

The ex Cathay Pacific bird is Air Hong Kong B-HUR.

I’ve seen the ex EVA Air 744Fs with my own eyes (several times, including today (!!)) and they are in relatively bad shape. No one really took care of them after harvesting engines/some parts from the tail, and they’ve been rotting away for a few years now. They could, in THEORY, be put back into service; however, it would require a ton of work and obviously a lot of money.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:38 am

FAA has the two Atlas ones deregistered in the last year or so, one in Nov 2019 one in May 2020.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:48 am

JayinKitsap wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:

Air Hong Kong 744F B-HUR at MZJ:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHUR

Asiana Cargo 744F HL7414 at VCV:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HL7414

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve


Thank you for the info. There must be a lot of work to be done on these or else they would be flying. I do know of some 777F's that are in storage as well. Also, it is up to each owner what is best for their specific situation.


The only two aircraft that are worth restoring are the two factory built GE powered China Airlines 747F's, both (B-18702 and B-18703) stored at VCV since 2012.

In 2019 one other example (B-18705) was stored at VCV 3 Feb 2012 - 5 Aug 2019 and brought back on line after a HMV at TPE.
This aircraft is now leased by China airlines to ASL Airlines Belgium.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:46 am

JayinKitsap wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:

Air Hong Kong 744F B-HUR at MZJ:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHUR

Asiana Cargo 744F HL7414 at VCV:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HL7414

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve


Thank you for the info. There must be a lot of work to be done on these or else they would be flying. I do know of some 777F's that are in storage as well. Also, it is up to each owner what is best for their specific situation.


What 777Fs are parked?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:07 pm

A little activity on the freighter front these past few days in addition to what's described above:

Another freighter delivery this weekend, MD-83 formerly known as N787TW (Ex-Avianca, not TWA) was reported by https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4 to have exited conversion to full freighter for Aeronaves TSM and was delivered to Saltillo. Should be a regular on the auto parts runs.

It also reports our KLM B744M PH-BFW ferried to TLV for conversion for Combi to full freighter. Customer is Longtail, so maybe we'll see it busy next peak.

Also the 744F that 21 Air was supposed to take was delivered to MCI (for MX work) to Eastern as N251KW. This is the former B-HUS of Cathay
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:20 pm

Spacepope wrote:
747classic wrote:
AFAIK a 747-200SF or -F would be more easy to maintain than a DC8-70 series, seen the difficulty to source servicable DC8 spare parts
Many 742 rotable parts are also used at the 747-400 series.
Most favourable would be a 742 powered with GE CF6-50E2 engines
This type of engine is still repaired and overhauled for the E-4B's (CF6-50E2) and the KC-10's (CF6-50C2) by MTU Maintenance Canada
See : https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-co ... eed-martin


Who does it for FedEx on their MD-10-30s, or is it in-house? I was really surprised to see the GeoSky 742F in service using pretty old early RB211s.

It just amazes me that some operators will decide to park fleets rather than overhaul engines. These sorta fly by night central Asian operators will have some interesting choices to make especially when trying to swap enough ancient engines with just enough green toile on them, but perhaps they can make enough profit before passenger widebody belly space returns.

I believe FedEx does it in-house at LAX.

Speaking of MD-10s, looks like we have another 10-10 scheduled to retire at VCV on 01/25. That will leave only three 10-10s remaining in the fleet.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:33 pm

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Speaking of MD-10s, looks like we have another 10-10 scheduled to retire at VCV on 01/25. That will leave only three 10-10s remaining in the fleet.


Probably FedEx is running out of "green" GE CF6-6(D) engines.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:52 pm

HPRamper wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
747classic wrote:
AFAIK a 747-200SF or -F would be more easy to maintain than a DC8-70 series, seen the difficulty to source servicable DC8 spare parts
Many 742 rotable parts are also used at the 747-400 series.
Most favourable would be a 742 powered with GE CF6-50E2 engines
This type of engine is still repaired and overhauled for the E-4B's (CF6-50E2) and the KC-10's (CF6-50C2) by MTU Maintenance Canada
See : https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-co ... eed-martin


Who does it for FedEx on their MD-10-30s, or is it in-house? I was really surprised to see the GeoSky 742F in service using pretty old early RB211s.

It just amazes me that some operators will decide to park fleets rather than overhaul engines. These sorta fly by night central Asian operators will have some interesting choices to make especially when trying to swap enough ancient engines with just enough green toile on them, but perhaps they can make enough profit before passenger widebody belly space returns.

I believe FedEx does it in-house at LAX.

Speaking of MD-10s, looks like we have another 10-10 scheduled to retire at VCV on 01/25. That will leave only three 10-10s remaining in the fleet.


This was killed when the mods locked the last thread, but there are supposedly 3 MD-10-10s in HMV right now. Any update on them?
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm

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Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:
...

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve


That these two low-mileage factory-built freighters are being parked for so long is very odd and I cannot see why they aren't being leased out. Does China Airlines have plans for them in their own fleet perhaps? If they would have wanted to offload them one would think they would have amended the lease rates accordingly over these long years. In any case I am quite sure that we will see them flying in years to come. Other than the single ex-Korean 744F which was shortly operated by Grand Star of China which has not been cared for since the operator went bust and has been reported as being derelict. I think that's the only 744F ever built which is not active or in recoverable condition (written off examples of course not counted).

Btw, there is also former CX-744F B-HUH, stored as N286BC since 2013 and apparently owned by Boeing. I wonder what's wrong with that one. Its one of the very first 744F built.
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:28 pm

N286BC has been deregistered for a couple of years. It showed as a sale to a GE Aviation Systems (i.e. the engine people) entity prior to deregistration (which I determined from the address listed, which is GE Aviation Systems).
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:01 pm

I just see that planespotters.com lists former B-HUH/N286BC as "scrapped". If true, it would be the first and only 744F that has been dismantled so far. Unless that Grandstar plane stored at Beijing since end of 2011 has been treated so as well recently. Last photo of it dates from 2018 and back then it did look quite ok. I wonder how someone can let such high value planes rot. Even if it had been seized by court or there is some other kind of dispute all sides must have some interest in making the most money out of it. And in case of a 744F with less than 20 years of service that can't be scrapping. Especially not in todays climate.
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:17 pm

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N286BC has been deregistered for a couple of years. It showed as a sale to a GE Aviation Systems (i.e. the engine people) entity prior to deregistration (which I determined from the address listed, which is GE Aviation Systems).


Why would a RR powered 744F being sold to GE Aviation Systems ?
The aircraft was traded-in by Boeing (BCC) and stored for a while, therafter she was scrapped because at that point in time the cargo market was down and no future for economical operation was forecasted.
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:38 pm

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gdavis003 wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


Did some planespotters.net searching, and it doesn’t seem like much is available. There’s two former China Airlines factory freighters that have been stored in VCV since 2012 (B-18702, B-18703). No clue on the condition. There’s also a P2F 744, stored at MZJ since 2019, that formerly flew for Cathay Pacific. It’s now registered as N251KW under Alta Air Holdings (I believe this is Eastern Airlines destined if it’s under Alta, remember seeing that they were talking about a 744F somewhere). There’s two former Eva Air Cargo P2F 744s, stored at MHV since 2016, that seem to be registered to Atlas (N618BC, N492CS). Anyone know anything about those two? Did Atlas just use those for parts? There’s also an Asiana P2F 744 that has been stored at VCV since 2017 (HL7414). There’s a few more that are showing as stored that I won’t go into detail on but will list the tail numbers: N925BA, N570B, HS-TGH, and B-2458. Anyone know anything about some of these frames?


Seems that we typed our lists at about the same time lol. Heard about (or have actually seen in some cases) most of those aircraft. The China Airlines and Asiana aircraft (total of 3) at VCV are all in pretty decent condition. Add engines, maybe do a taxi test or two, and they’re off. (Visibly speaking). Now whether they are due for HMV soon is another story (and possibly why they are stored in the first place).

The ex Cathay Pacific bird is Air Hong Kong B-HUR.

I’ve seen the ex EVA Air 744Fs with my own eyes (several times, including today (!!)) and they are in relatively bad shape. No one really took care of them after harvesting engines/some parts from the tail, and they’ve been rotting away for a few years now. They could, in THEORY, be put back into service; however, it would require a ton of work and obviously a lot of money.

Hope those explanations help :)

I am afraid that the last Cathay Pacific 747-400(BCF) at MZJ was B-HUS aka N251KW, which flew to MCI yesterday, see post #121. B-HUR was parted out last year at MZJ according to planespotters.net
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:51 pm

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.....N251KW, which flew to MCI yesterday, see post #121.


I love that ATS facility at MCI (former TWA main maintenance facility), amazing architecture. Great photos back in the day of TWA 747s with the tail sticking out the door, which was designed with a hole to allow it to fit perfectly around the tail when the aircraft was properly-positioned inside.
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:32 pm

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.....N251KW, which flew to MCI yesterday, see post #121.


I love that ATS facility at MCI (former TWA main maintenance facility), amazing architecture. Great photos back in the day of TWA 747s with the tail sticking out the door, which was designed with a hole to allow it to fit perfectly around the tail when the aircraft was properly-positioned inside.


And actually a sensible buy by Eastern on this 744 as it has RR engines, and Eastern is the last RR powered 767 operator int he world. A few minor parts swaps and the engines are basically interchangeable.
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:52 pm

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a2b7 wrote:
.....N251KW, which flew to MCI yesterday, see post #121.


I love that ATS facility at MCI (former TWA main maintenance facility), amazing architecture. Great photos back in the day of TWA 747s with the tail sticking out the door, which was designed with a hole to allow it to fit perfectly around the tail when the aircraft was properly-positioned inside.


And actually a sensible buy by Eastern on this 744 as it has RR engines, and Eastern is the last RR powered 767 operator int he world. A few minor parts swaps and the engines are basically interchangeable.


I wouldn't bet the farm on this. There seems to be a thought that any airplane that ends in KW is going to Eastern. The owner of Eastern (KW) also owns a leasing company. This 747, for now, still belongs to that leasing company.
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:18 pm

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I just see that planespotters.com lists former B-HUH/N286BC as "scrapped". If true, it would be the first and only 744F that has been dismantled so far. Unless that Grandstar plane stored at Beijing since end of 2011 has been treated so as well recently. Last photo of it dates from 2018 and back then it did look quite ok. I wonder how someone can let such high value planes rot. Even if it had been seized by court or there is some other kind of dispute all sides must have some interest in making the most money out of it. And in case of a 744F with less than 20 years of service that can't be scrapping. Especially not in todays climate.


The 747 in question is B-2427. The last photo of it was taken about 3 months ago. Overall, seemed to be in pretty good shape. Figure someone should be poking around looking at that jet. Factory 747 freighter with only 14+ years of hours/cycles is a good deal. Someone like National, Western Global, Sky Lease or....Aerotranscargo could put that jet to good use. Deeper pocketed folks like Cargolux should be scooping that up. Rehab, overhaul, paint job and it is printing money. Much cheaper than buying a new 747F or 777F.

My viewpoint for smaller companies is, the time is NOW. Now is the time to get entrenched on routes, build a client base that is captive to YOU. Lock in longer term contracts and cultivate customers that work with you and nobody else. You have the ability to talk and work with folks who a year ago where talking with United, British Airways or Cathay Pacific. Take those customers, treat them right and don't give them a reason to look back! National has onboarded (3) P2F 747s recently and all (5) of their 747P2Fs are humming. Scoop the bird up, short hop it back to San Antonio and add on a factory nose loading freighter to your capabilities about 3-4 months from now.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:00 pm

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The 747 in question is B-2427. The last photo of it was taken about 3 months ago. Overall, seemed to be in pretty good shape. Figure someone should be poking around looking at that jet. Factory 747 freighter with only 14+ years of hours/cycles is a good deal. Someone like National, Western Global, Sky Lease or....Aerotranscargo could put that jet to good use. Deeper pocketed folks like Cargolux should be scooping that up. Rehab, overhaul, paint job and it is printing money. Much cheaper than buying a new 747F or 777F.

My viewpoint for smaller companies is, the time is NOW. Now is the time to get entrenched on routes, build a client base that is captive to YOU. Lock in longer term contracts and cultivate customers that work with you and nobody else. You have the ability to talk and work with folks who a year ago where talking with United, British Airways or Cathay Pacific. Take those customers, treat them right and don't give them a reason to look back! National has onboarded (3) P2F 747s recently and all (5) of their 747P2Fs are humming. Scoop the bird up, short hop it back to San Antonio and add on a factory nose loading freighter to your capabilities about 3-4 months from now.


Probably two issues are prohibiting sale/lease of B-2427:

- Ownership issues : Who owns this aircraft ? A government controlled chinese bank ? Grand Star Cargo ceased operations in 2012.
- The aircraft may look in good shape from a distance, however it has been stored, most of the time, outside for over 9 years in a far from optimal climate (PEK). I expect severe corrosion, due frequent changing humidity, causing condensation, large temperature variations and air polution. Storage somewhere in the desert would have caused far less corrosion.
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:51 pm

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I just see that planespotters.com lists former B-HUH/N286BC as "scrapped" [...].


The 747 in question is B-2427.


Respectfully, I'm not sure I follow. B-HUH/N286BC was MSN 27175 per FAA. B-2427 is MSN 26401.

Or maybe you're saying that the last viable one is this one? Sorry so dense.
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:09 pm

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na wrote:
I just see that planespotters.com lists former B-HUH/N286BC as "scrapped" [...].


The 747 in question is B-2427.


Respectfully, I'm not sure I follow. B-HUH/N286BC was MSN 27175 per FAA. B-2427 is MSN 26401.

Or maybe you're saying that the last viable one is this one? Sorry so dense.


No worries, there were two aircraft being discussed. You are correct about N286BC.

I was discussing another factory built 747-400F which is B-2427 and was operated by Grand Star for a while. It has been parked in China for quite some time. It looks to be one of the last available 747-400Fs in storage. Possible corrosion issues but how much does rehabbing a 747-400F cost vs buying a 777F?
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:10 pm

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VCVSpotter wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Are there many 744F or P2F in storage right now? Bringing back a 742 hints that very few 744's in the desert are worthy of return. Doubt there will be any further conversions of 744's.


I don’t think there are many (744F in storage) but there are a few. Don’t know all of them, but here are some that come to the top of my head:
...

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18702 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/eknp6e

China Airlines Cargo 744F B-18703 at VCV:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3xd4ve


That these two low-mileage factory-built freighters are being parked for so long is very odd and I cannot see why they aren't being leased out. Does China Airlines have plans for them in their own fleet perhaps? If they would have wanted to offload them one would think they would have amended the lease rates accordingly over these long years. In any case I am quite sure that we will see them flying in years to come. Other than the single ex-Korean 744F which was shortly operated by Grand Star of China which has not been cared for since the operator went bust and has been reported as being derelict. I think that's the only 744F ever built which is not active or in recoverable condition (written off examples of course not counted).

Btw, there is also former CX-744F B-HUH, stored as N286BC since 2013 and apparently owned by Boeing. I wonder what's wrong with that one. Its one of the very first 744F built.

The CI planes were stored when coming up to 12 years after delivery and likely a heavy check , the 3rd 744F they parked early this decade which went to ASL in late 2019, like B18703, have been operated by Yangtze River which CI was a part owner at one point.
Photos Ive seen of them at VCV in last year or more show no engines. That may be one problem getting them active, not insurmountable but cost $$. The original engines they flew to VCV with probably on one of their freighters now. Though they do have 4 pax planes they are selling with engines which could be used. Doubtful CI themselves will use them again if reactivated, They are starting to get their 777Fs and they cannot keep any plane on the ROC register over 26 years so only a few more years of them being able to fly with a ROC registration. Maybe they've been cannibalized too much to make it worthwhile to get them flying again. Though anything can be done for enough $$!.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:43 am

Well, its January 18, 2021...Do you know where the rough and tumble 747-400s of Aerotranscargo are?????.

ER-BAJ: Blasting out of CGO, headed Westbound. Over the last week plus, KHN, LHR and LGG have been the mainstays of its journeys.

ER-BAM: Roll Tide won a national championship. It is also Westbound out of KHN at 21,000ft and 465kts. LGG, EBMB and KHN have been its focus for the past several weeks.

ER-BBB: Slightly ahead of Roll Tide, out of KHN Wesbound. BUD, HKG and LHR have been it's playground of 2021.

ER-BBC: Relaxing in LGG, pulling the usual 12-20 hour down time at that station. It too has been LGG, LHR and KHN focused like several sister ships.

ER-BBJ: The Upper Crust Society, Factory Made, Only Nose Loading 747 of the bunch rests at EBMB Airbase awaiting its next calling. LGG, EBMB and KHN are its latest focus.

ER-JAI: Just touched down in NQZ a few hours back. Has been flying into LHR like a religion. Usually from KHN after a crew change and top off at home plate NQZ. The aircraft's tail number reads to me similar to an old friend whose call sign was Morse Code. I don't know why I didn't see it earlier but this jet shall go forward in his honor as "Code".

KHN, LHR and LGG are the main routes for a large portion of the fleet recently. It would seem the 747s have been assisting the United Kingdom through its -19 hardships.

The two red headed step children leased to Terra Avia ER-BAG and ER-BAC have eclectic schedules at best. BAG operates in and out of China and Turkmenistan. BAC is all hidden away in Kyrgyzstan for the past 3 weeks. Either having a romp of a good time or flying routes that follow the Las Vegas code, what happens on BAC and where BAC goes...stays with BAC.

If you had to choose in 2019 between flying 787s for Norwegian Air or 747s for Aerotranscargo, you would have been laughed out of the room for picking 747s. My oh my, how in less than year things have changed.
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:41 am

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wjcandee wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
.....N251KW, which flew to MCI yesterday, see post #121.


I love that ATS facility at MCI (former TWA main maintenance facility), amazing architecture. Great photos back in the day of TWA 747s with the tail sticking out the door, which was designed with a hole to allow it to fit perfectly around the tail when the aircraft was properly-positioned inside.


And actually a sensible buy by Eastern on this 744 as it has RR engines, and Eastern is the last RR powered 767 operator int he world. A few minor parts swaps and the engines are basically interchangeable.


Actually Royal Flight of Russia has one. I saw it a few days ago here in Hong Kong.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:46 am

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Spacepope wrote:

Who does it for FedEx on their MD-10-30s, or is it in-house? I was really surprised to see the GeoSky 742F in service using pretty old early RB211s.

It just amazes me that some operators will decide to park fleets rather than overhaul engines. These sorta fly by night central Asian operators will have some interesting choices to make especially when trying to swap enough ancient engines with just enough green toile on them, but perhaps they can make enough profit before passenger widebody belly space returns.

I believe FedEx does it in-house at LAX.

Speaking of MD-10s, looks like we have another 10-10 scheduled to retire at VCV on 01/25. That will leave only three 10-10s remaining in the fleet.


This was killed when the mods locked the last thread, but there are supposedly 3 MD-10-10s in HMV right now. Any update on them?

I'm seeing 4 MD10-10s in the fleet, 4 "up" with none in any kind of maintenance. 383, 550, 562 and 060 enjoying its last week (probably) of freight hauling.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:45 pm

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MO11 wrote:

Noticed today that Titan Airways received DOT authority to operate subservice between the US and the Caribbean, Central America, South America on behalf of Amerijet. Didn't say whether it would be a 737 or A321. This may also mean the days of the DC-8 are numbered.


Or they're just replacing the constantly-breaking Doug and IFL 727s. Also, I thought you thought that the DC8 was working for StratAir? I notice that one of the Doug 727s that is flying South isn't using an Amerijet flight number, and so may be flying for whomever the Doug 733 is flying for, or somebody else entirely.

OR...what's going on is that DHL for some reason wants Amerijet to fly more routes for it. Probably price as a big factor. Amerijet doesn't have the metal to do it right now, but would love the DHL business. Maybe they're locking it in by getting subservice from Titan.


The Amerijet airframe operating Sundays MIA-MAD and staying flying in Europe for the week till Saturday when it comes back to MIA, will be replaced with ABX Airframe.

Also ABX airframe flying CVG-MIA-PTY-SJO-MIA-CVG is being replaced with Amerijet.

The daily BRU-MIA-BRU which was flown by EAT and now is done with Cargojet, heard today that will be back to EAT in March. Will double check on this.....


EAT back to Miami today. Cargojet resumed LHR-YHM-CVG as well.

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Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:12 pm

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The 747 in question is B-2427. The last photo of it was taken about 3 months ago. Overall, seemed to be in pretty good shape. Figure someone should be poking around looking at that jet. Factory 747 freighter with only 14+ years of hours/cycles is a good deal. Someone like National, Western Global, Sky Lease or....Aerotranscargo could put that jet to good use. Deeper pocketed folks like Cargolux should be scooping that up. Rehab, overhaul, paint job and it is printing money. Much cheaper than buying a new 747F or 777F.

My viewpoint for smaller companies is, the time is NOW. Now is the time to get entrenched on routes, build a client base that is captive to YOU. Lock in longer term contracts and cultivate customers that work with you and nobody else. You have the ability to talk and work with folks who a year ago where talking with United, British Airways or Cathay Pacific. Take those customers, treat them right and don't give them a reason to look back! National has onboarded (3) P2F 747s recently and all (5) of their 747P2Fs are humming. Scoop the bird up, short hop it back to San Antonio and add on a factory nose loading freighter to your capabilities about 3-4 months from now.


Probably two issues are prohibiting sale/lease of B-2427:

- Ownership issues : Who owns this aircraft ? A government controlled chinese bank ? Grand Star Cargo ceased operations in 2012.
- The aircraft may look in good shape from a distance, however it has been stored, most of the time, outside for over 9 years in a far from optimal climate (PEK). I expect severe corrosion, due frequent changing humidity, causing condensation, large temperature variations and air polution. Storage somewhere in the desert would have caused far less corrosion.


Well, some of the ex-Jade 744ERFs were stored in similarly bad condition for more than 5 years. These low-mileage planes were sold cheap and are flying now again for two years or so. Whoever owns it must be damn stupid to let it standing around for no use other than losing more money.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:54 pm

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Ex KLM 747-400 PH-BFW is supposedly set to depart the Netherlands in the next week or two for conversion to full freighter by IAI at TLV. This would be the second 747 to make this style journey in the past two months, as ex-Virgin 747-400 G-VXLG is already at TLV and #1 in line for conversion.

747-400P2F IAI Firing Sequence

#1: G-VXLG ex-Virgin Atlantic "Ruby Tuesday"
#2: PH-BFW ex KLM "Shanghai/City of Shanghai"


Have read elsewhere that ex PH-BFW is destined for Longtail Aviation after BDSF conversion.
 
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Ex KLM 747-400 PH-BFW is supposedly set to depart the Netherlands in the next week or two for conversion to full freighter by IAI at TLV. This would be the second 747 to make this style journey in the past two months, as ex-Virgin 747-400 G-VXLG is already at TLV and #1 in line for conversion.

747-400P2F IAI Firing Sequence

#1: G-VXLG ex-Virgin Atlantic "Ruby Tuesday"
#2: PH-BFW ex KLM "Shanghai/City of Shanghai"


Have read elsewhere that ex PH-BFW is destined for Longtail Aviation after BDSF conversion.


Not a full BDSF conversion, It will be a "light conversion" only, probably combined with a C-check.

According TLVspotters at facebook : PH-BFW, a former KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747-400 Combi arriving from Amsterdam yesterday for "light freighter conversion" for Longtail Aviation. As the aircraft already has a side cargo door on the main deck, the freighter conversion will only include removal of the cabin so that the former pax cabin will be used for small packages while the back of the main deck and lower deck will carry containers/pallets.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:08 pm

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CX747 wrote:
Ex KLM 747-400 PH-BFW is supposedly set to depart the Netherlands in the next week or two for conversion to full freighter by IAI at TLV. This would be the second 747 to make this style journey in the past two months, as ex-Virgin 747-400 G-VXLG is already at TLV and #1 in line for conversion.

747-400P2F IAI Firing Sequence

#1: G-VXLG ex-Virgin Atlantic "Ruby Tuesday"
#2: PH-BFW ex KLM "Shanghai/City of Shanghai"


Have read elsewhere that ex PH-BFW is destined for Longtail Aviation after BDSF conversion.


Not a full BDSF conversion, It will be a "light conversion" only, probably combined with a C-check.

According TLVspotters at facebook : PH-BFW, a former KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747-400 Combi arriving from Amsterdam yesterday for "light freighter conversion" for Longtail Aviation. As the aircraft already has a side cargo door on the main deck, the freighter conversion will only include removal of the cabin so that the former pax cabin will be used for small packages while the back of the main deck and lower deck will carry containers/pallets.


Interesting. This seems to be the first time such conversion will be done to a 744.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:14 pm

Our first possible writeoff in the cargo fleet this year: https://twitter.com/PlanePhil5/status/1 ... 9195723776

737-400F Tweet text:"West Atlantic B737 G-JMCY has had a hard landing on return to Exeter Airport #EXT from East Midlands Airport #EMA this morning (02:37) and has creased both sides of the airframe. The damage is bad enough that Royal Mail could not unload the mail."
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:51 pm

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Our first possible writeoff in the cargo fleet this year: https://twitter.com/PlanePhil5/status/1 ... 9195723776

737-400F Tweet text:"West Atlantic B737 G-JMCY has had a hard landing on return to Exeter Airport #EXT from East Midlands Airport #EMA this morning (02:37) and has creased both sides of the airframe. The damage is bad enough that Royal Mail could not unload the mail."


And a quick update from G-INFO: Aircraft had about 65,000 hours on it (no cycle info) last March, so a bit well used and if the damage is as bad as initial reports indicate, probably won't fly again.

Gonna need another 738F to replace her!
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:50 pm

N550FE finished its C check in LAX last Saturday, their going to run the check out on 060 & retire it. GE engines overhauled by GE Celma in Brazil.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:20 pm

Update on the 734F hard landing: Fuselage crumpled behind the wingbox. Ouch! https://twitter.com/fl360aero/status/13 ... 0429691910
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:33 pm

737-800 conversions continue to grow - BBAM adding up to 12 (6 firm and 6 options) for 737-800BCFs.

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/bbam-adds ... reighters/
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