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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:00 pm

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Great to see Ruby Star breaking cover with EW-556TQ a resplendent 747-409(BSDF). This is the ship which carried a Burundian rego previously. Currently en route to PIK. Another great addition to the minor operators list!


Oh yeah, she popped up on our radar a week or so ago. Glad to see she's been put to work!

A few minor hiccup incidents: Cargologic 744F G-CLBA (only 59000 hours as of a year ago) had a hydraulic issue taking off from LHR to ATL. Diverted at low altitude (probably burning off fuel) to FRA for repairs. http://avherald.com/h?article=4e4fa86e&opt=0

Fedex MD-11 N582FE (90,000 hours/ 22,000cycles) on a -9000 numbered flight had a compressor stall on one of its CF6s taking off from STN, diverted back to STN after dumping fuel. http://avherald.com/h?article=4e4f6e71&opt=0


G-CLBA out of LHR. An American made jet, flying for a British Company, that is actually a Russian front com....owned enterprise. Gotta love how British Airways messed up the linkage with Atlas and (2) 747Fs after all those years. They could be printing pounds by the fistful right now. An outsider owns the pure cargo market for the Queen's Island!!! I've always loved LHR, even as a red blooded American. Just a wonderful ramp of airframes from all over the world. If their was a chance to bid operating out of there, I'm all over it. Lease an old school Defender 4X4...not that new ugly pretender and have a blast on the wrong side of the road for off days.

I thought of you the other day when reading that LH is retiring their last (8) 747-400s. With the retirement came several thoughts. I would love to see them rock on as pax aircraft but I don't see that playing out. Getting converted would be great but again cost.

So sadly, I thought.....excellent parts birds for the burgeoning fleet of operational 747-400Fs and for those 747Fs sitting in the desert like the ex-EVA frame being brought back to operational status. 32 CF-6s are now available. 1 LH 747-400 is already being used as a heavily taxed parts bird to bring the ex-EVA 744 back. I wonder if we see additional hauls from the desert. Buy a beat up BUT already converted 744 for a song and use the LH birds to get it back into operational status.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:56 pm

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I thought of you the other day when reading that LH is retiring their last (8) 747-400s. With the retirement came several thoughts. I would love to see them rock on as pax aircraft but I don't see that playing out. Getting converted would be great but again cost.

So sadly, I thought.....excellent parts birds for the burgeoning fleet of operational 747-400Fs and for those 747Fs sitting in the desert like the ex-EVA frame being brought back to operational status. 32 CF-6s are now available. 1 LH 747-400 is already being used as a heavily taxed parts bird to bring the ex-EVA 744 back. I wonder if we see additional hauls from the desert. Buy a beat up BUT already converted 744 for a song and use the LH birds to get it back into operational status.

The LH retirements make sense when looked at them ditching the MD-11 fleet too: Now they don't have to care for CF6s anymore fleetwide, so see not only the engines on the wing (or tail) becoming available, but also their entire spares inventory. They'll keep 767s flying for years!

It's sorta sad though since they were heavy aircraft users, at around 5000 hours per year. Those birds were not kept on the ground long if it could be helped.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:24 am

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CX747 wrote:
I thought of you the other day when reading that LH is retiring their last (8) 747-400s. With the retirement came several thoughts. I would love to see them rock on as pax aircraft but I don't see that playing out. Getting converted would be great but again cost.

So sadly, I thought.....excellent parts birds for the burgeoning fleet of operational 747-400Fs and for those 747Fs sitting in the desert like the ex-EVA frame being brought back to operational status. 32 CF-6s are now available. 1 LH 747-400 is already being used as a heavily taxed parts bird to bring the ex-EVA 744 back. I wonder if we see additional hauls from the desert. Buy a beat up BUT already converted 744 for a song and use the LH birds to get it back into operational status.

The LH retirements make sense when looked at them ditching the MD-11 fleet too: Now they don't have to care for CF6s anymore fleetwide, so see not only the engines on the wing (or tail) becoming available, but also their entire spares inventory. They'll keep 767s flying for years!

It's sorta sad though since they were heavy aircraft users, at around 5000 hours per year. Those birds were not kept on the ground long if it could be helped.


What I've been told by several sources is that the LH 744s are not an 'immediate retirement' like the A340-600. There will be maybe another 2-3 off to the desert relatively soon (no timeline for those that I know of), but the others will still run for at least another year or so. This applies to their MD-11F too (heard conflicting reports that they'll be sticking around until either summer or the end of the year, I think LH is still trying to cash in on the extra cargo demand before pax ops start becoming normal).

Obviously with covid still having a prominent impact (regardless of vaccines, just in general), both of those timelines may change. And Spacepope's analysis regarding their desire to ditch the CF6 fleet is spot on, I wonder if they'll decide to just pull the plug entirely on both the 744 and the MD-11F immediately....

For now, I think that if any LH 744s are used as parts donors, they'll be one of the recent arrivals already at MHV (D-ABVS, D-ABVO, D-ABVR, D-ABVT). As you (CX747) remarked in the SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread - 2021 I will be perfectly positioned to see if there is any activity with those frames over the coming months.

Finally, I'll be hoping to catch the ex EVA Air Cargo 744F B-16402 when she departs....it will undoubtedly be a beautiful moment.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:06 am

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[Don’t forget the 3 classic B742F flying in Iran!
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Also the ex Nippon Cargo B747-281F N6915R

Mean while its sister-ship ER-BBS is been cutup for scrap in JKT


Do you have a source for ER-BBS being scrapped?.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:35 pm

Interesting movement but not unexpected: Aeronaves TSM has taken delivery of Glenn Beck's DC-9-15.



I can't tell if this one was originally built with a cargo door or not. If it is the latter, it'll be for parts.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:49 pm

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Since a C-17 flies cargo... anybody know why Kuwait sent their C-17 CHS-ORD?


A spotter in Chicago was able to catch that special arrival into standard beautiful midwestern weather: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuarVEAnoX4
Here's the departure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnm1CEUYTZc
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:28 pm

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Regarding the FedEx MD11F fleet : What is the future for the 5 stored MD11 aircaft ?

N522FE, PW powered, stored VCV since April 2020.
N646FE, GE powered, stored VCV since August 2019, still in LH Cargo configuration (ex D-ALCE)
N647FE, GE powered, stored VCV since December 2019, also in LH Cargo configuration (ex D-ALCF)
N648FE, GE powered, stored VCV since Februay 2020, also in LH Cargo configuration (ex D-ALCJ)
N649FE, GE powered, stored VCV since March 2020, alsoin LH Cargo configuration (ex D-ALCH)

Will all 5 be used for spares or are any re-activation plans known (like the UPS purchased ex LH Cargo MD11's) ?

Fellow poster wrenchon would know for sure, but I believe the ex-LH planes were for parts only and 522 is retired. I think it is telling that they were left in the desert while FX contracted with Western Global for lift this past peak.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:47 pm

Just checked in on HS-TGH, the ex-Thai 744 conversion that flew on Feb 8 to CGK from storage in Pattaya. I noticed on ADSBExchange that it flew into CGK with a Thai callsign, so I guess they still owned it while it sat getting moldy in Pattaya. Anyway, she hasn't moved yet. Maybe in a few weeks she will be off to "Moldcargo" (AirTransCargo's callsign) or Terra Avia. The latter's ex-Thai aircraft is busy again, as is their Paxargo 744.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:48 pm

Spacepope wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
Since a C-17 flies cargo... anybody know why Kuwait sent their C-17 CHS-ORD?


A spotter in Chicago was able to catch that special arrival into standard beautiful midwestern weather: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuarVEAnoX4
Here's the departure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnm1CEUYTZc


Good videos! Douglas made a good plane.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:52 pm

Well, looks as if Northern Air Cargo, owner of Aloha Cargo, is finally on its way to getting ETOPS so it can run its Aloha Cargo 767-300s between CONUS and HNL.

The past few days, it has been running 767-300 N379CX (in the regular NAC livery) back and forth between the US and HNL with 9000-series flight numbers. It started right about the time that N321CM, the newest CAM 767-300 dry-lease to Northern, finished being painted white at SBD and was sent to MIA where it immediately went into service to Central America and such. So the apparent plan was to put the newest aircraft, which is ultimately expected to be operated by Northern for Aloha Cargo, painted white for now, on 379's traditional routes, and use 379CM, with which Northern has a few years of experience now, as the "proving" aircraft for the FAA.

So it seems that the proving process is underway, and maybe Northern really will get its ETOPS certification relatively-soon. Meanwhile, ATI continues to operate the Aloha-Cargo-liveried 767-300 for Northern/Aloha, because ATI has ETOPS and thus the plane was ETOPS-certified in conjunction with its operation on the ATI certificate. Eventually, that aircraft likely will be operated by Northern as well.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:20 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Interesting movement but not unexpected: Aeronaves TSM has taken delivery of Glenn Beck's DC-9-15.



I can't tell if this one was originally built with a cargo door or not. If it is the latter, it'll be for parts.

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4


Delivered to Northeast Airlines December of 1966 and it was a standard DC-9 with no cargo door.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:51 am

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This was posted over in the Pax 747 retirement thread based on an "article" of speculation by the dinguses at Simple Flying

"Bad news, wamos air has now officially retired there last 747-400 EC-KXN. It’s on its way to Kyrgyzstan right now probably to be scrapped there. https://simpleflying.com/wamos-final-747-retirement/"

There's absolutely no evidence of a startup scrapping facility there, but perhaps we may see a new PaxCargo join the fleet of our ragtag central Asian operators.


Agree, I'm hoping she is off to our friends at Aerostan as a paxargo bird. Capable machine she is.

Also to add to the 747 Classic list is TransaviaExport EW-460TQ who from my records is still in FJR and who has turned on her transponder a couple of times in FEB. I'm hoping that's a preparation for more active service.

RSB's new shiny toy EW-556TQ turned up in TSN this morning.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:29 pm

FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:03 pm

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FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:14 pm

Make it three DL MD-88s at DHN for conversion (I believe that all three are for USA Jet). N972DL is scheduled to ferry BYH-DHN this afternoon: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N97 ... /KBYH/KDHN
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:47 pm

Spacepope wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



A300-600 Extended Service Goal : 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles, see FAST Magazine number 61 : see : https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support ... azine.html

And search at FAST 61 for the article "Supporting aging fleets"

Note : For the A300-600 series , the Design Service Goal (DSG) original was 67500 hrs / 30000 cycles., later extended to 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles (Extended Service Goal - ESG)
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:26 pm

Spacepope wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



Per planespotters; the 10 oldest active A300s listed with: LN, Reg, operator, age, power. That FX bird would appear to be the 6th oldest active, and oldest active PW. Aside even from her LOV limits

141, EX-30002, Aerosan, 40 years, GE
183, EX-30001, KAP.KG, 39 Years, GE
212, EX-30003, Moalem, 39 Years, GE
274, YV562T, Transcarga, 39 Years, GE
299, EP-IBG, Iran Air, 37 Years, GE
361** N717FD, FEDEX, 35 Years, PW
380, EP-MNJ, MAHAN, 34 Years, GE
408, EP-MNI, Iran AIRTOUR, 34 Years, GE
477, N721FD, FEDEX, 33 Years, PW
479, N722FD, FEDEX, 33 Years, PW




older only FEDEX A306s over 30 years old
-724FD, 530, 32, PW
-749FD, 536, 32, PW
-723FD, 543, 31, PW
-740FD, 559, 31, PW
-725FD, 572, 31, PW
-726FD, 575, 31, PW
-727FD, 579, 30, PW
-728FD, 581, 30, PW
-741FD, 611, 30, PW
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:37 pm

It would appear that there are 21 PW powered birds that are older than FXs oldest GE powered bird which is LN 709. (-731FD, 28 years old)
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:25 pm

747classic wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



A300-600 Extended Service Goal : 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles, see FAST Magazine number 61 : see : https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support ... azine.html

And search at FAST 61 for the article "Supporting aging fleets"

Note : For the A300-600 series , the Design Service Goal (DSG) original was 67500 hrs / 30000 cycles., later extended to 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles (Extended Service Goal - ESG)


I'm sure FX has made the calculations on the cost of running her out to LOV and passed on it.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:32 pm

[quoteAlso to add to the 747 Classic list is TransaviaExport EW-460TQ who from my records is still in FJR and who has turned on her transponder a couple of times in FEB. I'm hoping that's a preparation for more active service.][/quote]

So what is the current registration on this aircraft Boeing 747-281F msn 23919 is it EW-460TQ or N691SR?

FAA Registration
Current tail:
N691SR
Aircraft type:
Jet
Manufacturer:
BOEING
Model:
747-281F
Year:
1984
Serial number:
23919
Owner:
AIRCRAFT GUARANTY CORP TRUSTEE
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:56 pm

DLNZ wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
This was posted over in the Pax 747 retirement thread based on an "article" of speculation by the dinguses at Simple Flying

"Bad news, wamos air has now officially retired there last 747-400 EC-KXN. It’s on its way to Kyrgyzstan right now probably to be scrapped there. https://simpleflying.com/wamos-final-747-retirement/"

There's absolutely no evidence of a startup scrapping facility there, but perhaps we may see a new PaxCargo join the fleet of our ragtag central Asian operators.


Agree, I'm hoping she is off to our friends at Aerostan as a paxargo bird. Capable machine she is.

Also to add to the 747 Classic list is TransaviaExport EW-460TQ who from my records is still in FJR and who has turned on her transponder a couple of times in FEB. I'm hoping that's a preparation for more active service.

RSB's new shiny toy EW-556TQ turned up in TSN this morning.


Would be nice for Aerostan to get a 747-400, even in paxargo mode. EX-47002 has been the operational jet for them for several weeks now. EX-47001 last flew on 3/17 and before that was off for weeks. Not sure what the hold up is there as the jet was going well up until mid February. Getting another jet to build out business or shoulder the load would help grow "Big Shot".
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:29 pm

Spacepope wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



If she is cycled out, wonder how many other FX A300 are at the limit as well?.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:36 pm

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[quoteAlso to add to the 747 Classic list is TransaviaExport EW-460TQ who from my records is still in FJR and who has turned on her transponder a couple of times in FEB. I'm hoping that's a preparation for more active service.]


So what is the current registration on this aircraft Boeing 747-281F msn 23919 is it EW-460TQ or N691SR?

FAA Registration
Current tail:
N691SR
Aircraft type:
Jet
Manufacturer:
BOEING
Model:
747-281F
Year:
1984
Serial number:
23919
Owner:
AIRCRAFT GUARANTY CORP TRUSTEE[/quote]

FAA shows the reg is still current.

https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquir ... rTxt=691sr

So does planespotters;

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... orp/eyyx2e

According to rzjets it is owned by Azee Aviation

https://rzjets.net/aircraft/

However who operates it now is not clear.

https://airlinehistory.co.uk/airline/azee-air/
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:19 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FX has its next plane scheduled for a retirement flight to VCV and it's not an MD10 or even an MD11...it's an A306. On 4/6, tail 717FD will be headed to the desert.


She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



If she is cycled out, wonder how many other FX A300 are at the limit as well?.


Let's fill in the cycles details from SDR reports then from the helpful list posted above:

older only FEDEX A306s over 30 years old
-724FD, 530, 32, PW 20370 on 6/2020
-749FD, 536, 32, PW 28301 on 10/2020
-723FD, 543, 31, PW 29265 on 10/2020
-740FD, 559, 31, PW 22447 on 2/2021
-725FD, 572, 31, PW 28686 on 9/2020
-726FD, 575, 31, PW 29042 on 1/2021
-727FD, 579, 30, PW 27846 on 7/2020
-728FD, 581, 30, PW 27621 on 11/2020
-741FD, 611, 30, PW 26267 on 1/2021 (58,295 hours though)

So, these somewhat geriatric aircraft seem to have fairly recently all been heavy checked and have much lower cycle counts (but comparable hours) to the recently retired aircraft. Aging aircraft cost a lot more to maintain than newer ones, but there will be plenty of parts form Fedex's fleet of parked A310 and older A300s for the next many years.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:30 pm

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Just wondering what sort of penalty payments companies like Western Global pay when they fail to deliver on time or otherwise don't perform according to the contract terms? Surely penalties for failure to deliver on time are part of every cargo contract?


it just depends on whatever the airline and the customer come up with in the T&C of their pricing agreement. If a flight is late or cancelled or something along those lines, it does not automatically mean there is a financial penalty that the airline must pay, that is extremely extremely rare.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:30 pm

Spacepope wrote:
747classic wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

She must have been pulling a TON of domestic cycles back in Korea.

Her last SDR was from a heavy check in 2018, but back then she had only 46,000 hours, but a whopping 40,645 cycles. That and with Pratt engines that seem to have fallen out of favor at FedEx means she's coming up on another check and it's not worth it for this well used airframe.



A300-600 Extended Service Goal : 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles, see FAST Magazine number 61 : see : https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support ... azine.html

And search at FAST 61 for the article "Supporting aging fleets"

Note : For the A300-600 series , the Design Service Goal (DSG) original was 67500 hrs / 30000 cycles., later extended to 89.000 hrs / 51.000 cycles (Extended Service Goal - ESG)


I'm sure FX has made the calculations on the cost of running her out to LOV and passed on it.

It helps that FedEx isn't dying for lift anymore. In fact, we just took delivery of two more 767s over the past week and a half and probably a third coming in another week or so.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:55 pm

After a month in the Shreveport "maintenance" facility, Western Global ferried MD11 N412SN to TPE on Sunday (WGN9412), and it moved around the airport a bit today (Tuesday). Either it was sent there for additional maintenance work at Evergreen, or it's starting some sort of contract flying from there. Will be interesting to see.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:02 pm

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It helps that FedEx isn't dying for lift anymore. In fact, we just took delivery of two more 767s over the past week and a half and probably a third coming in another week or so.


Curious, then, about the now-three-per-day Western Global flights on their MD11s under FedEx callsigns. Are those Post Office or something, then, and just contracted by FedEx?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:12 pm

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Canuck600 wrote:
Just wondering what sort of penalty payments companies like Western Global pay when they fail to deliver on time or otherwise don't perform according to the contract terms? Surely penalties for failure to deliver on time are part of every cargo contract?


it just depends on whatever the airline and the customer come up with in the T&C of their pricing agreement. If a flight is late or cancelled or something along those lines, it does not automatically mean there is a financial penalty that the airline must pay, that is extremely extremely rare.


I was thinking more along the lines of a failure to deliver in time, say a shipper is sending super time sensitive or persishable cargo, if the aircraft goes tech for several days wouldn't the carrier be penalised with the amount of the penalty depending on time lost?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:34 pm

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HPRamper wrote:
It helps that FedEx isn't dying for lift anymore. In fact, we just took delivery of two more 767s over the past week and a half and probably a third coming in another week or so.


Curious, then, about the now-three-per-day Western Global flights on their MD11s under FedEx callsigns. Are those Post Office or something, then, and just contracted by FedEx?


To be a fly on the wall with FX's fleet planners. Like, why part out this MD-11 in particular when you're leasing in additional MD-11 lift? There has to be a reason but I'm curious what that is.



Maybe it's like my boss refusing to fix a transmission leak, stating you can buy a whole lot of top-off fluid for the price of a gasket job...
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:26 pm

Canuck600 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
Canuck600 wrote:
Just wondering what sort of penalty payments companies like Western Global pay when they fail to deliver on time or otherwise don't perform according to the contract terms? Surely penalties for failure to deliver on time are part of every cargo contract?


it just depends on whatever the airline and the customer come up with in the T&C of their pricing agreement. If a flight is late or cancelled or something along those lines, it does not automatically mean there is a financial penalty that the airline must pay, that is extremely extremely rare.


I was thinking more along the lines of a failure to deliver in time, say a shipper is sending super time sensitive or persishable cargo, if the aircraft goes tech for several days wouldn't the carrier be penalised with the amount of the penalty depending on time lost?


you're more likely to see the cargo picked up by the shipper and they go find another airline to move it. If it is not, it'd fall under normal cargo claims between the forwarder and the airline.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:47 pm

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Make it three DL MD-88s at DHN for conversion (I believe that all three are for USA Jet). N972DL is scheduled to ferry BYH-DHN this afternoon: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N97 ... /KBYH/KDHN


Number four headed to DHN today, N969DL. I'll be interested to see how fast they can churn out these conversions. There's a lot of metal at DHN right now, might take a while. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N96 ... /KBYH/KDHN
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:13 pm

DL cargo seems to be getting in on some domestic cargo routes with 757's. Beginning in a few days: CLT-MIA / IND-DAL / MDW-IND / TPA-HOU / TPA-IND / SJC-LAX to name a few. I do wonder if this is a BSA with FedEx or UPS or DHL.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:12 pm

I wonder why there aren't more DC-8-70s still flying? I mean, if they have the fuel efficiency of an older generation 767, use similar engines as the 737/A320CEO, have low acquisition cost, and have good payload capability, then I don't understand why there aren't more in the Congo or someplace like that? Lack of spares? Too many engines to feed?
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:28 pm

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I wonder why there aren't more DC-8-70s still flying? I mean, if they have the fuel efficiency of an older generation 767, use similar engines as the 737/A320CEO, have low acquisition cost, and have good payload capability, then I don't understand why there aren't more in the Congo or someplace like that? Lack of spares? Too many engines to feed?


Too many pilots to feed too.

They had their time in the sun but after UPS parked most of the world's fleet, the critical mass was no longer there.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:48 pm

Looks like Western Global's 744 N344KD diverted while flying PVG-ANC, apparently making a beeline due West to Japan, landing possibly at Aomori Airport (RJSA) with its 3000-meter (9843-foot) runway. Hard to tell whether it's an anomoly, but the ADSB data seems to support that conclusion. Hasn't appeared in AvHerald.

The 744s have been pretty-reliable for Western Global.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:26 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Looks like Western Global's 744 N344KD diverted while flying PVG-ANC, apparently making a beeline due West to Japan, landing possibly at Aomori Airport (RJSA) with its 3000-meter (9843-foot) runway. Hard to tell whether it's an anomoly, but the ADSB data seems to support that conclusion. Hasn't appeared in AvHerald.

The 744s have been pretty-reliable for Western Global.


Or Misawa? Big military presence for the USAF and JADSF. I was on a cruise vacation around Japan and the Russian pacific coast a couple years back and we got buzzed by some F35s out of Misawa. Oh the good old days.

WGN have been having a good run with 344 and 258. 356 had been at GSP for 10 days, but looks to be in service again now, positioning north on what looks like military work.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm

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Or Misawa?


I thought about Misawa, but it would have had to make a big turn and go back across the island to get there, from like 1200 feet AGL, which didn't make much sense. But certainly possible. Of course, nothing showing on any of the tracker sites about an arrival, and I don't have the energy to try to listen to tapes

UPDATE: You were right. It was Misawa. Found this on Twitter: https://twitter.com/9Wva2QLQp5d6nEE/sta ... 77/photo/1
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:09 am

CALMSP wrote:
DL cargo seems to be getting in on some domestic cargo routes with 757's. Beginning in a few days: CLT-MIA / IND-DAL / MDW-IND / TPA-HOU / TPA-IND / SJC-LAX to name a few. I do wonder if this is a BSA with FedEx or UPS or DHL.


This is quite strange. I was looking at the DL Cargo schedule for April (URL has "MAR" in it, but the link takes you to April), and I see these on there as well (https://www.deltacargo.com/content/dam/ ... le_MAR.pdf). What's interesting is that these are all ferry numbers for NBA charter flights. It says that frequency is daily as well. MIA-CPS is another very strange one that I saw. Maybe, the daily frequency is incorrect, and DL is allowing cargo to run on the planned ferry flights for these NBA charters? Very, very strange.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:16 am

So with respect to the WGN diversion to Misawa due to a cargo fire annunciation, discussed above, it will be interesting to see if it was a smoke detector issue or an actual fire. That the a/c is still on the ground at Misawa isn't necessarily a great thing, but there will of course be crew time-out issues at this point if the thing turned out to be a false alarm. So we'll see.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:50 am

Northern Air Cargo flew 767-300BDSF N379CX back to MIA nonstop from HNL today. It apparently was being used for testing/certification for ETOPS for the past several days. I don't know whether the return means that they passed and the FAA is satisfied with everything, or whether this was just the beginning. But it's a development, and hopefully (for them) one that moves things forward.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:38 am

gdavis003 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
DL cargo seems to be getting in on some domestic cargo routes with 757's. Beginning in a few days: CLT-MIA / IND-DAL / MDW-IND / TPA-HOU / TPA-IND / SJC-LAX to name a few. I do wonder if this is a BSA with FedEx or UPS or DHL.


This is quite strange. I was looking at the DL Cargo schedule for April (URL has "MAR" in it, but the link takes you to April), and I see these on there as well (https://www.deltacargo.com/content/dam/ ... le_MAR.pdf). What's interesting is that these are all ferry numbers for NBA charter flights. It says that frequency is daily as well. MIA-CPS is another very strange one that I saw. Maybe, the daily frequency is incorrect, and DL is allowing cargo to run on the planned ferry flights for these NBA charters? Very, very strange.


Okay, so here's the thing. DL doesn't publish a passenger schedule like this anymore, to my knowledge, but you have just given us a PDF that has...basically the passenger schedule for DL. It just says Delta Cargo on it, because apparently people in the cargo biz want an unwieldy printed schedule like this. The whole thing, particularly in light of the flight numbers and the fact that these are 757s flying between NBA-team cities, makes me think that it's some kind of mistake, along the lines of what gdavis003 has suggested.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:49 am

wjcandee wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
DL cargo seems to be getting in on some domestic cargo routes with 757's. Beginning in a few days: CLT-MIA / IND-DAL / MDW-IND / TPA-HOU / TPA-IND / SJC-LAX to name a few. I do wonder if this is a BSA with FedEx or UPS or DHL.


This is quite strange. I was looking at the DL Cargo schedule for April (URL has "MAR" in it, but the link takes you to April), and I see these on there as well (https://www.deltacargo.com/content/dam/ ... le_MAR.pdf). What's interesting is that these are all ferry numbers for NBA charter flights. It says that frequency is daily as well. MIA-CPS is another very strange one that I saw. Maybe, the daily frequency is incorrect, and DL is allowing cargo to run on the planned ferry flights for these NBA charters? Very, very strange.


Okay, so here's the thing. DL doesn't publish a passenger schedule like this anymore, to my knowledge, but you have just given us a PDF that has...basically the passenger schedule for DL. It just says Delta Cargo on it, because apparently people in the cargo biz want an unwieldy printed schedule like this. The whole thing, particularly in light of the flight numbers and the fact that these are 757s flying between NBA-team cities, makes me think that it's some kind of mistake, along the lines of what gdavis003 has suggested.


yes and no, except that the Delta Cargo marketing team actually stated today that routes like CLT-MIA and IND-MDW are being added.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:00 am

CALMSP wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:

This is quite strange. I was looking at the DL Cargo schedule for April (URL has "MAR" in it, but the link takes you to April), and I see these on there as well (https://www.deltacargo.com/content/dam/ ... le_MAR.pdf). What's interesting is that these are all ferry numbers for NBA charter flights. It says that frequency is daily as well. MIA-CPS is another very strange one that I saw. Maybe, the daily frequency is incorrect, and DL is allowing cargo to run on the planned ferry flights for these NBA charters? Very, very strange.


Okay, so here's the thing. DL doesn't publish a passenger schedule like this anymore, to my knowledge, but you have just given us a PDF that has...basically the passenger schedule for DL. It just says Delta Cargo on it, because apparently people in the cargo biz want an unwieldy printed schedule like this. The whole thing, particularly in light of the flight numbers and the fact that these are 757s flying between NBA-team cities, makes me think that it's some kind of mistake, along the lines of what gdavis003 has suggested.


yes and no, except that the Delta Cargo marketing team actually stated today that routes like CLT-MIA and IND-MDW are being added.


Well, okay then. :D :D
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:03 am

N344KD is on its way to ANC from Misawa AB (MSJ), following a diversion last night due to a reported cargo fire indication. Guess all is well, they got a rested crew, and they're on their way.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:53 am

Interesting editorial from a german aviation magazine on Challange airlines out of Liege, Belgium

According to CEO Eshel Heffetz, the company is interested in acquiring 4-6 new aircraft by 2022. According to him, these look to be of 747-400s (although not said if BCF or factory Freighter), he also stated that the company is looking into the 777-300ER converted freighter program.
He also stated that they were not interested in acquiring aircraft for conversion, but would be interested in already converted 747 BCF/BDSF Aircraft. (possible placement for the EVA air bird being revived)

Their fleet currently consists of
OO-ACF B747-400F Factory Freighter
OO-ACE B747-400BCF

source (in german) : https://www.aerotelegraph.com/challenge ... emie-kommt
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:59 pm

Swiss03 wrote:
Interesting editorial from a german aviation magazine on Challange airlines out of Liege, Belgium

According to CEO Eshel Heffetz, the company is interested in acquiring 4-6 new aircraft by 2022. According to him, these look to be of 747-400s (although not said if BCF or factory Freighter), he also stated that the company is looking into the 777-300ER converted freighter program.
He also stated that they were not interested in acquiring aircraft for conversion, but would be interested in already converted 747 BCF/BDSF Aircraft. (possible placement for the EVA air bird being revived)

Their fleet currently consists of
OO-ACF B747-400F Factory Freighter
OO-ACE B747-400BCF

source (in german) : https://www.aerotelegraph.com/challenge ... emie-kommt


Do we have an up to date list of the factory and converted 747-400Fs that are currently parked?

We've had the discussion recently on the parked LH 747s and to be parked LH frames serving as donors to previously thought dead, desert dwelling converted 747-400Fs. It could be the MHV ex-EVA frame is the first of many. Overall, it would be much cheaper to find a converted jet and rejuvenate it than convert an already operational jet.

Also, good to see Fly Pro's 747-200F ER-BAR hard at work since rejoining the worldwide freighter fleet. Wonder what other 747 Classics are possibly being prepped to re enter service?!?

Jumping to another thought...

Anyone have visibility on N705AA? A recently brought out of the desert 727F. It was supposed to go to Astral in Africa but continues to show as resting in Barbados after departing the US.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:05 pm

N840FD, the ex-Etihad 777F that FX purchased, came out of VCV yesterday and is now resting at ANC before heading to SIN tonight, presumably for a pre-induction heavy check. Still not listed as an active tail in the mx screen.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:00 pm

CX747 wrote:
Swiss03 wrote:
Interesting editorial from a german aviation magazine on Challange airlines out of Liege, Belgium

According to CEO Eshel Heffetz, the company is interested in acquiring 4-6 new aircraft by 2022. According to him, these look to be of 747-400s (although not said if BCF or factory Freighter), he also stated that the company is looking into the 777-300ER converted freighter program.
He also stated that they were not interested in acquiring aircraft for conversion, but would be interested in already converted 747 BCF/BDSF Aircraft. (possible placement for the EVA air bird being revived)

Their fleet currently consists of
OO-ACF B747-400F Factory Freighter
OO-ACE B747-400BCF

source (in german) : https://www.aerotelegraph.com/challenge ... emie-kommt


Do we have an up to date list of the factory and converted 747-400Fs that are currently parked?

We've had the discussion recently on the parked LH 747s and to be parked LH frames serving as donors to previously thought dead, desert dwelling converted 747-400Fs. It could be the MHV ex-EVA frame is the first of many. Overall, it would be much cheaper to find a converted jet and rejuvenate it than convert an already operational jet.

Also, good to see Fly Pro's 747-200F ER-BAR hard at work since rejoining the worldwide freighter fleet. Wonder what other 747 Classics are possibly being prepped to re enter service?!?

Jumping to another thought...

Anyone have visibility on N705AA? A recently brought out of the desert 727F. It was supposed to go to Astral in Africa but continues to show as resting in Barbados after departing the US.


We do now ;)

Stored B747-400 F/BCF/M

Pure Freighter:

N492MC Atlas ( active as recently as 02/21) (seems to be at TPE for maintenance)
N499MC Atlas ( active as recently as 01/21) (in HKG)
B-18701 China Airlines ( active as recently as 01/21) (at TPE, possible maint.)
B-18702 China Airlines (stored at VCV since 2012, due to return)
B-18703 China Airlines (stored at VCV since 2012, Due to return)
B-18710 China Airlines ( active as recently as 03/21) (at TPE, possible maint.)
B-2461 China Southern ( active as recently as 08/20)
B-2473 China Southern ( active as recently as 12/20)
B-2427 Grand star cargo (Stored PEK since 2011, In need of major rework and checks, currently for sale)
9V-SFQ Singapore Air ( active as recently as 02/21) (listed as stored by planespotters, not sure where or why)
TC-MCT Saudia Cargo (At SAW, presumably still on repair after massive tailstrike in 02/20)

Combi:

HS-TGH stored CGK 2021 (probably for maint.) due Terra Avia
B-2458 stored PEK 2014
N925BA (HL7608) stored MZJ 2013
N570B (HL7482) stored MZJ 2013
N251KW Stored MCI 2021 for maint. Possible Due Eastern Airlines?
HL7414 Stored VCV 2017
HL7482 Stored TPE Mar 2021 WFU 16 Mar 2021
N27063 (B-16402) Stored MHV 2017 (due to be revived using parts from LH Birds)
B-16462 Stored MHV 2016 ( partially Scrapped)
TF-AML Stored MCI 2017 due Mesk Air (UAE)
B-2435 Stored PVG 2019

Combi: ( only for feedstock)
PH-BFD std MHV2017
PH-BFH std MHV 2017
PH-BFT std MCI 2020 ( possible due for light conversion)
PH-BFV Std TEV ( possible due for light conversion)
PH-BFW At TLV for light conversion Due longtail aviation
PH-BFY std MHV 2020
D-ABTD std MHV 2011
D-ABTF std MHV 2011
D-ABTH std MHV 2013
B-2471 Std PEK 2013 (presumed scrapped)
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:15 pm

Swiss03 wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Swiss03 wrote:
Interesting editorial from a german aviation magazine on Challange airlines out of Liege, Belgium

According to CEO Eshel Heffetz, the company is interested in acquiring 4-6 new aircraft by 2022. According to him, these look to be of 747-400s (although not said if BCF or factory Freighter), he also stated that the company is looking into the 777-300ER converted freighter program.
He also stated that they were not interested in acquiring aircraft for conversion, but would be interested in already converted 747 BCF/BDSF Aircraft. (possible placement for the EVA air bird being revived)

Their fleet currently consists of
OO-ACF B747-400F Factory Freighter
OO-ACE B747-400BCF

source (in german) : https://www.aerotelegraph.com/challenge ... emie-kommt


Do we have an up to date list of the factory and converted 747-400Fs that are currently parked?

We've had the discussion recently on the parked LH 747s and to be parked LH frames serving as donors to previously thought dead, desert dwelling converted 747-400Fs. It could be the MHV ex-EVA frame is the first of many. Overall, it would be much cheaper to find a converted jet and rejuvenate it than convert an already operational jet.

Also, good to see Fly Pro's 747-200F ER-BAR hard at work since rejoining the worldwide freighter fleet. Wonder what other 747 Classics are possibly being prepped to re enter service?!?

Jumping to another thought...

Anyone have visibility on N705AA? A recently brought out of the desert 727F. It was supposed to go to Astral in Africa but continues to show as resting in Barbados after departing the US.


We do now ;)

Stored B747-400 F/BCF/M

Pure Freighter:

N492MC Atlas ( active as recently as 02/21) (seems to be at TPE for maintenance)
N499MC Atlas ( active as recently as 01/21) (in HKG)
B-18701 China Airlines ( active as recently as 01/21) (at TPE, possible maint.)
B-18702 China Airlines (stored at VCV since 2012, due to return)
B-18703 China Airlines (stored at VCV since 2012, Due to return)
B-18710 China Airlines ( active as recently as 03/21) (at TPE, possible maint.)
B-2461 China Southern ( active as recently as 08/20)
B-2473 China Southern ( active as recently as 12/20)
B-2427 Grand star cargo (Stored PEK since 2011, In need of major rework and checks, currently for sale)
9V-SFQ Singapore Air ( active as recently as 02/21) (listed as stored by planespotters, not sure where or why)
N582UP UPS ( active as recently as 02/21) (at SDF)
TC-MCT Saudia Cargo (At SAW, presumably still on repair after massive tailstrike in 02/20)

Combi:

HS-TGH stored CGK 2021 (probably for maint.) due Terra Avia
B-2458 stored PEK 2014
N925BA (HL7608) stored MZJ 2013
N570B (HL7482) stored MZJ 2013
N251KW Stored MCI 2021 for maint. Possible Due Eastern Airlines?
HL7414 Stored VCV 2017
HL7482 Stored TPE Mar 2021 WFU 16 Mar 2021
N27063 (B-16402) Stored MHV 2017 (due to be revived using parts from LH Birds)
B-16462 Stored MHV 2016 ( partially Scrapped)
TF-AML Stored MCI 2017 due Mesk Air (UAE)
B-2435 Stored PVG 2019

Combi: ( only for feedstock)
PH-BFD std MHV2017
PH-BFH std MHV 2017
PH-BFT std MCI 2020 ( possible due for light conversion)
PH-BFV Std TEV ( possible due for light conversion)
PH-BFW At TLV for light conversion Due longtail aviation
PH-BFY std MHV 2020
D-ABTD std MHV 2011
D-ABTF std MHV 2011
D-ABTH std MHV 2013
B-2471 Std PEK 2013 (presumed scrapped)



N582UP is in very active service. flew into SDF friday night the 26th. not stored.

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