San Marino Executive Aviation has added two ex Thomas Cook Scandinavia A330-300s to their fleet. They are using these as Preighters. The link below says that the aircraft are owned by ULS Airlines Cargo who plans to convert them but doesn't have conversion slots imminently. Sounds like an opportune way to make some money whilst the market is still hot.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/san- ... ly-2-a330s

SamH wrote:

I wonder how Rada Airlines and the two remaining freight Ilyushin's are doing. It should be rather hard for them to work around the EU airspace ban. Anybody have seen recent movements? Or will they just set up shop outside of Belarus?

I think there are exemptions for airlines carrying 'humanitarian' cargo which could be classed as Covid supplies etc.

SamH wrote:

I wonder how Rada Airlines and the two remaining freight Ilyushin's are doing. It should be rather hard for them to work around the EU airspace ban. Anybody have seen recent movements? Or will they just set up shop outside of Belarus?

All other things notwithstanding, it would make sense for Rada to look for a registration in a place like Sharjah. Or another neutral, low-tax jurisdiction, preferably not a one to loath Soviet types.

Cargofacts is reporting that the 747 Supertanker is joining the fleet of.....

Drumroll please....

National!

747classic wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Saw in an article that Cargolux is not planning on expanding their 747F any further. This would tie the company's growth for that size aircraft at the delivery schedule of the 777-300ERSF, or the proposed 777XF or A350F. That's a long time to "run what you brung" but again demonstrates the utter importance to worldwide cargo of the 747F fleet for the next 5-7 years.

If the price comes down Cargolux may aquire the two Saudia 748F aircraft, both low time, but both requiring their first HMV (8 years), as a top -up or replacement for the oldest 744F's, to "green up" the 747 fleet.

IMO , Cargolux will wait until the new 777XF becomes available, because the 777-300ERSF is not optimal suited for general cargo (relative low freight density, more optimal for packages)

How expensive will the HMV be for those two 748Fs?

Spacepope wrote:

Cargofacts is reporting that the 747 Supertanker is joining the fleet of.....

Drumroll please....

National!

Glad to hear that National is taking the bull by the horns and expanding their fleet yet again. I look forward to seeing what the tail number is.

aristoenigma wrote:

747classic wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Saw in an article that Cargolux is not planning on expanding their 747F any further. This would tie the company's growth for that size aircraft at the delivery schedule of the 777-300ERSF, or the proposed 777XF or A350F. That's a long time to "run what you brung" but again demonstrates the utter importance to worldwide cargo of the 747F fleet for the next 5-7 years.

If the price comes down Cargolux may aquire the two Saudia 748F aircraft, both low time, but both requiring their first HMV (8 years), as a top -up or replacement for the oldest 744F's, to "green up" the 747 fleet.

IMO , Cargolux will wait until the new 777XF becomes available, because the 777-300ERSF is not optimal suited for general cargo (relative low freight density, more optimal for packages)

How expensive will the HMV be for those two 748Fs?

The answer is the old reliable, "it depends". They have sat a while, so the price could have gone up due to additional checks required on bringing the aircraft back from storage. Overall though, they are young jets and should have been snapped up a while back. I believe the high price is what's stopping a deal from occurring

aristoenigma wrote:

747classic wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Saw in an article that Cargolux is not planning on expanding their 747F any further. This would tie the company's growth for that size aircraft at the delivery schedule of the 777-300ERSF, or the proposed 777XF or A350F. That's a long time to "run what you brung" but again demonstrates the utter importance to worldwide cargo of the 747F fleet for the next 5-7 years.

If the price comes down Cargolux may aquire the two Saudia 748F aircraft, both low time, but both requiring their first HMV (8 years), as a top -up or replacement for the oldest 744F's, to "green up" the 747 fleet.

IMO , Cargolux will wait until the new 777XF becomes available, because the 777-300ERSF is not optimal suited for general cargo (relative low freight density, more optimal for packages)

How expensive will the HMV be for those two 748Fs?

Both Saudia 748F's are early built freighters, rejected by Atlas Air for performance shortfall (over-weight) reasons, probably still with the initial lower MTOW and non PIP GEnx-2B67 engines installed,
Integration in a fleet with late built aircraft (eg. UPS) will be more expensive, requiring many updates : engines (MTOW increase , etc.) on top of the regular HMV and fleet conformaty.
Cargolux has also lot of early built aircraft, so fleet integration may be less difficult and the traject of updating both aircraft will be more familiar in their maintenance department.

Is Saudia's asking price for the two freighters off the scale? Would an outfit like Air Atlanta Icelandic be able to take them on since they do a lot of Saudia cargo already? Or are 744s the limit for Air Atlanta Icelandic for now?

Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?

Boeing757100 wrote:

Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "

747classic wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "

Go ahead and call them and ask, tell them that Revelation from airliners.net authorized you to call.

Sadly, the three remaining Lufthansa MD11F's (D-ALCA, -ALCC and -ALCD) seem to be going to Western Global i.s.o. UPS.
A nice, quick HMV and a lot of TLC are now probably not destined for these three MD11F's.
Hopefully they will remain active and will not be used as spare part donor or stored forever, like some other Western Global MD11F's.
D-ALCD was active until May 30th and now only two Lufthansa Cargo MD11 aircraft remain active.
See : https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... a-md-11fs/

747classic wrote:

Sadly, the three remaining Lufthansa MD11F's (D-ALCA, -ALCC and -ALCD) seem to be going to Western Global i.s.o. UPS.

A tragedy.

747classic wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "

Likely us mere lurking mortals will never know. Seems that Saudia has no urgency to sell the freighters. The Royalty side of the Saudi aviation house have quietly allowed the green 2012 BBJ LN 1446 to sit for nine years and counting (possibly listed for a haircut 95M). I had thought that the airline had instituted stricter profit center measurements so holding out for too high a price.for the frreighters may be chasing diminishing returns.

aristoenigma wrote:

747classic wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "

Likely us mere lurking mortals will never know. Seems that Saudia has no urgency to sell the freighters. The Royalty side of the Saudi aviation house have quietly allowed the green 2012 BBJ LN 1446 to sit for nine years and counting (possibly listed for a haircut 95M). I had thought that the airline had instituted stricter profit center measurements so holding out for too high a price.for the frreighters may be chasing diminishing returns.

I have heard ln1446 can be fitted with a cargo door, so that seems a bit ominous.
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What good is a 744 side cargo door added to a 747-8i BJ frame? When that ad came out I struggled to give it much credibility. A SCD but no reinforced floor? And whatever else required for a first ever 748 freight modification? If the ad was true I am guessing the cost of adding a SCD (either 744 or 748) plus the cost of the green aircraft plus the commitment to carry out all the necessary associated modifications to reinforce the main deck floor would make the 95M asking price unrealistic. Also there is no real prospect of coverting to a freighter with a 748 SUD? I am guessing this was an ad intended to evoke conversation and not serious. interest. But there are way smarter people than me on this thread.

I've been meaning to ask this for a while now, but does anyone know how cargo routes are scheduled? Re new routes or frequencies or AC? What is the tipping point if you will, for not operating a direct cargo route, say ONT-TPA and routing through say MEM and then say adding said route at some point, a new route/city, or frequency or an AC upgauge?

New Italian airline AlisCargo is ready to add its first aircraft, a B777-200ER in “phreighter” configuration. It’s currently at Shannon being readied.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... o-airlines

Cheers!

Boeing757100 wrote:

aristoenigma wrote:

747classic wrote:

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "

Likely us mere lurking mortals will never know. Seems that Saudia has no urgency to sell the freighters. The Royalty side of the Saudi aviation house have quietly allowed the green 2012 BBJ LN 1446 to sit for nine years and counting (possibly listed for a haircut 95M). I had thought that the airline had instituted stricter profit center measurements so holding out for too high a price.for the frreighters may be chasing diminishing returns.

I have heard ln1446 can be fitted with a cargo door, so that seems a bit ominous.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1456521&start=1200
Go to reply 1221 of this thread

We discussed this a few weeks back on here. Consensus was it was just marketing crap not based in reality

Thought you all would enjoy this photo of one of our favorite 747-200s taken at MEX two days ago and now up on a.net. Just happened to see it. Aerostan rocks on! Transatlantic, even!




This was on a trip Jeddah to Casablanca to Espargos to Port of Spain to MEX. Love it! Soooo exotic!

CX747 wrote:

Revelation wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Saw in an article that Cargolux is not planning on expanding their 747F any further. This would tie the company's growth for that size aircraft at the delivery schedule of the 777-300ERSF, or the proposed 777XF or A350F. That's a long time to "run what you brung" but again demonstrates the utter importance to worldwide cargo of the 747F fleet for the next 5-7 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolux#Fleet says they have 10 744F, 6 744ERF and 14 748F. Oldest one I found is approaching 22 years ( https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-29731.htm ). Since they are a general freight carrier, are they likely to "step down" to a 77WF conversion? At first blush it seems more likely to me they will wait for 77XF. They actually have the 748F prototype in their fleet according to my wiki link. It will be interesting to watch, IMO.

You bring up a valid point in that Cargolux is a freight carrier and therefore uses the 747Fs full capabilities. I agree they will more than likely wait for the 777XF. That design, at least what we know of it, will fit in their wheel house nicely. The 77W P2F just won't be able to do what the 747F does in certain operational requirements. It is more on par to replace 744 P2F aircraft. Which is the natural "order", when you look at the machines and their actual specs.

I'm not knocking the 77W P2F. It will be a tremendous airplane but there are truly differences in what aircraft are being asked to haul and how they are hauling it. Aircraft designed from the beginning as pure freighters are just that, pure freighters. Aircraft converted after the fact are just not as capable due to their original mission set.

The same thing can be said for Atlas Air

Received an email, this ex-Eastern Airlines(the original) 757 line 75 is up for sale.

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Sale by Expression of Interest
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EOI closes: 15th August 2021

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BTVB6Flyer wrote:

I've been meaning to ask this for a while now, but does anyone know how cargo routes are scheduled? Re new routes or frequencies or AC? What is the tipping point if you will, for not operating a direct cargo route, say ONT-TPA and routing through say MEM and then say adding said route at some point, a new route/city, or frequency or an AC upgauge?

It mostly comes down to size of the cargo items, and also guaranteed space contracted by the shippers.

Size is an easy one. Integrators avoid shipping very much that would be considered "oversize" that is, things that won't fit on a standard 96x125 pallet. UPS has more capability than FX due to the 748 but they would still prefer to ship boxes and smaller heavyweight. If you need fast transport from your facility to elsewhere and you can't go with 5X or FX you're going to make your calls to the freight haulers...National, Cargolux, etc, hell maybe Volga-Dnepr.

On the other hand if you're not talking about large items, it's a sales/shipper thing. For example. If a shipper signs a contract saying they will pay for 7k cubic feet daily on X flight, then the carrier is going to honor that contract by upgauging or maybe even a new route. Whether or not the freight is actually there at all or in the amount promised. If Shipper X forks out the cash for a full 757 worth of freight going from AUS to MSY five days a week, FX and UPS are more likely to create a dedicated route than to send everything through the hubs. Now that does not happen often as most shippers don't have that kind of volume, but one sort of example would be the cargo CRJ that flies from TVF to MEM every morning for a dedicated DigiKey contract. Normally all freight from Thief River Falls would be trucked to GFK and then down to FAR for the regular flight to MEM.
Upgauge can also be handled the same way. If my market supports a 757 worth of regular mix freight to the hub, and then Shipper X comes in and offers to pay for an extra 757 worth of space, well then maybe I look at doubling flight frequency, or upgauging from 757 to 767. Those sorts of decisions are heavily dependent on the current logistics of the carrier, fleet readiness, flight crew readiness etc.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... first-b747

Another 744F added to the plethora of 744Fs being reactivated to fly freight! Always a smile on my face to this type of news!

Boeing757100 wrote:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/104638-kyrgyzstans-sky-kg-airlines-adds-first-b747

Another 744F added to the plethora of 744Fs being reactivated to fly freight! Always a smile on my face to this type of news!

That would explain why the Wamos 744 went to Bishkek, as Simple Flying claimed it was for scrap. They love to make assumptions with no legitimate reasoning

gdavis003 wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/104638-kyrgyzstans-sky-kg-airlines-adds-first-b747

Another 744F added to the plethora of 744Fs being reactivated to fly freight! Always a smile on my face to this type of news!

That would explain why the Wamos 744 went to Bishkek, as Simple Flying claimed it was for scrap. They love to make assumptions with no legitimate reasoning

That was so funny - they were like there are some derelict planes at the airport so clearly the plane is going there for scrapping because the airport is a well-known scrapper.

Cargojet has quietly added another B757-200ER to its fleet today, Canadian registration C-FACJ (MSN 29594, ex-N184AN, delivered new to American Airlines in 1999). That makes a total of 9 B757s now in the fleet.

Boeing757100 wrote:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/104638-kyrgyzstans-sky-kg-airlines-adds-first-b747

Another 744F added to the plethora of 744Fs being reactivated to fly freight! Always a smile on my face to this type of news!

Great to see another 747-400 flying! One from Malaysia Airlines and 27 years young! I think it would be a pfreighter though since there is not conversion facilties at Bishek and BDSF is packed with B767-300 pax-to-freighter conversion.

Cavalier44 wrote:

Cargojet has quietly added another B757-200ER to its fleet today, Canadian registration C-FACJ (MSN 29594, ex-N184AN, delivered new to American Airlines in 1999). That makes a total of 9 B757s now in the fleet.

This in addition to Amerijet's 757s!!! Everyone says the 757 is dead even as a freighter but I think the freighter fleet will fly for years to come.

I made it up to MHV over the weekend, here's a look at EVA currently. There's still some work going on but it looks like EVA now has engine pylons, cowlings, tail hydraulics, flaps, landing lights, etc. from Lufthansa. Looks like there's only engines, probably interior work, and tail/rudder work left. I'd still give it several months before she flies out, but nice to see some work being done on EVA.
Link to Images: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJhqjOs4_Z/

Trolling Skyliner and notable is the new highest-LN to date 738 headed for freighter conversion: LN 3339, N357AE owned by Aercap which is headed to China for the old slice and dice.

Seems like lessors are on board converting their parked assets now in anticipation of a flood of new NB deliveries.

LH Cargo/LH group seems to be interested in either B737 or A321 P2F converisions (short haul freighters). LH group is verifying the business case.

Source is in German, so use your translator in your browser.
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa-cargo-liebaeugelt-mit-kurzstrecken-frachtern

I will bet on A321 conversions, but who knows.

KLM's former PH-BFV 747-400 flew TEV - MRS - SHJ yesterday. She was stored at TEV on March 15 this year. Also going to Longtail Aviation.
(Just like sistership PH-BFW - currently at TLV - and maybe PH-BFT - currently at MCI)

All 3 started their lives at combi-aircraft.

The 727s have left MIA. IFL's N216WE flew home to PTK on Monday. That leaves no more triholers helping out at Amerijet. The Brits and their A321s and the Peruvians with the DC-8 are the only remaining Amerijet help.

T4thH wrote:

LH Cargo/LH group seems to be interested in either B737 or A321 P2F converisions (short haul freighters). LH group is verifying the business case.

Source is in German, so use your translator in your browser.
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa-cargo-liebaeugelt-mit-kurzstrecken-frachtern

I will bet on A321 conversions, but who knows.

Interesting. It could go either way in my opinion because while ze Germans might want a euro aircraft that's fully containerized there is an issue with how quickly an A321 slot can be attained, since a lot of companies placed a lot of orders ahead of them this past year.

Iemand91 wrote:

KLM's former PH-BFV 747-400 flew TEV - MRS - SHJ yesterday. She was stored at TEV on March 15 this year. Also going to Longtail Aviation.
(Just like sistership PH-BFW - currently at TLV - and maybe PH-BFT - currently at MCI)

All 3 started their lives at combi-aircraft.

Hi lemand91. Will former PH-BFW get converted to cargo or remain a Combi for Logtail?. Wondered why it was flown to Sharjah rather than Tel Aviv.

FlyMKG wrote:

The 727s have left MIA. IFL's N216WE flew home to PTK on Monday. That leaves no more triholers helping out at Amerijet. The Brits and their A321s and the Peruvians with the DC-8 are the only remaining Amerijet help.

Sorry to see them go. They added a lot of color to the mix, figuratively if not actually.

N818NH (Amerjet's first 757) ought to be able easily to replace a couple of 727s when flown by Amerijet crews on a typical grueling Amerijet schedule. I have seen a picture of her and she looks great.

Avocet appears to have done a fine job giving her the Precision Conversion in SFB from December to June this year. Then paint at AMA (by IAC) from 6/3 to 6/15 this year.

Formerly Icelandair TF-LLX. Leased from Erickson Aviation.

Spacepope wrote:

Interesting. It could go either way in my opinion because while ze Germans might want a euro aircraft that's fully containerized there is an issue with how quickly an A321 slot can be attained, since a lot of companies placed a lot of orders ahead of them this past year.

True, but if LH has (or can get) the feedstock aircraft, I'm pretty-sure that A321 Precision Conversions will be happy to scale up and convert as many as they want, initially at PEMCO and then maybe at overflow locations such as Avocet or in the Far East. (Avocet did the touch work on the prototype.) That said, everything has a lead time.

Not my lucky week, sh ...... happens
Martinair 747-412BCF, PH-MPS, a few days after return from Jakarta (C- check, see reply 1442 in this thread), developed an unknown engine #4 malfunction during push back at Nairobi (NBO) at June 9th, requiring an engine change.

PH-MPS, NBO, June 14th 2021, PW4056 engine change


Original uploaded by Anneke Matthee at Facebook, see : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 678&type=3

PH-MPS returned to AMS at June 16th, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PHM ... /HKJK/EHAM

New high-line number 738 exiting conversion: LN 3531 for China Postal Airlines as B-5576 according to Skyliner.

Spacepope wrote:

New high-line number 738 exiting conversion: LN 3531 for China Postal Airlines as B-5576 according to Skyliner.

Honestly can't get enough of them through conversion. Your statement of it being a true 727-200F replacement was spot on. With lease rates of 737s being low, the insatiable appetite for an economically sound and strong real world lift performer will continue. The glut of 737Maxs and A32Xneos being delivered should continue this trend.

On LH getting into the cargo narrowbody business, I see them choosing ze German/Euro product. They have a long history with ze product and tribal knowledge. The fact that their lunch has a good chance of being eaten as others blast around in 737-300/400/700/800P2Fs or 757P2Fs that can be converted earlier, cheaper and with an on par, or better operating cost will be a power point presentation in 5-7 years on what was done incorrectly. With all that written, they have a good connection with Boeing products in the 777F and understanding of the beating it can take in comparison to other competitors. Maybe, just maybe they give the 737-800 a spin.......

Continued march of 757s to P2F conversion carries on as BlackRock acquired 3 additional airframes. I believe this will bring their 757P2F fleet to 4 strong.

G-BDXM coming back to LHR/Home today…
Albeit in ins GeoSky guise
Due 14:30 from Tibisi…

ER-BAT (742F) of FlyPro stars in a video!! We have not easily tracked her, but she's flying. Interesting that she is a GSS aircraft, like many of our ragtag fleet!!

https://youtu.be/HlEBW216pSY

Efficient crew on the unload. Nice pilot uniforms!

Funny to see that it may be an ex British Airways 747-200 that holds the honor of being the last "Sterling Service" 747 to depart LHR. Amazing to think of all the great places that jet has gone. Time marches on but seeing all those 747s lined up at Terminal 4 and then 5 was quite an experience.

Nice to see one of the, "unspoken ones" show its face to the outside world. Wish the video was slowed down and had sound....

In other news, the resident DC-8F for our flock continues to knock out trips to and fro MIA. Would be great to catch a photo of it sitting next to the A321P2F but alas, MIA is not on the schedule for right now.

Well my friends, it is a little after 2100 on the East Coast of Merica. Just where oh where do we find one of our trail blazing, rag tag, not allowed to call AMS hpme (Who needs that anyway?!?!?!) 747s of Aerotranscargo?

ER-BAM aka "Roll Tide", has been bouncing back and forth between KHN, its home base of NQZ and then BRU. Overall, performing the tasks at hand outside of an unusual divert on a NQZ-BRU leg a few days back. Ended up in LGG but there are worse places to divert to. All in all, still working but not at the break neck pace of Christmas 2020.

CGK's GMF AeroAsia continues to stay busy.

GEO Sky's 747-200F 4L-GEN of ex-BA lineage arrived on June 20th for regularly scheduled maintenance. It will share the hangar or ramp space with ATC's Blue Blooded, Upper Crust Society, Only Nose Loading, Factory built 747-400F freighter ER-BBJ. ER-BBJ should be coming along now, as it's been at GMF for almost 2 months.

Hey guys. General air cargo "business" question. At $23 a share, why is ATSG stock at near 52-week lows? They are also lagging behind Atlas Air (ticker AAWW), which was perceived or believed to be the underdog to ATSG regarding ACMI cargo ops, I thought.

With the E-commerce boom etc, I would think ATSG stock would be doing better.

Opinions? Thank you

Cargo stocks compared against each other: https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf ... WW,FDX,UPS

ATSG stock chart: https://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=ATSG& ... 4375645310

CX747 wrote:

CGK's GMF AeroAsia continues to stay busy.

GEO Sky's 747-200F 4L-GEN of ex-BA lineage arrived on June 20th for regularly scheduled maintenance. It will share the hangar or ramp space with ATC's Blue Blooded, Upper Crust Society, Only Nose Loading, Factory built 747-400F freighter ER-BBJ. ER-BBJ should be coming along now, as it's been at GMF for almost 2 months.

I love how GMF AeroAsia is moving those 747-200s through like it was 2001! Nice to see them being successful. Clearly, they still have the tribal knowledge to smoothly maintain the -200s/-300s, and it's nice to see it get a workout. Combine that with the KLM connection and -400 work, and here's hoping they'll stay busy.