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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:56 pm

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Hey guys. General air cargo "business" question. At $23 a share, why is ATSG stock at near 52-week lows? They are also lagging behind Atlas Air (ticker AAWW), which was perceived or believed to be the underdog to ATSG regarding ACMI cargo ops, I thought.

With the E-commerce boom etc, I would think ATSG stock would be doing better.

Opinions? Thank you

Cargo stocks compared against each other: https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf ... WW,FDX,UPS

ATSG stock chart: https://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=ATSG& ... 4375645310


It's still a niche play and the bigger Wall Street players don't understand their business model, which is quite-diversified and resilient. Those that do understand it think it's genius, and it's interesting that AAWW, to a limited extent, is moving in that direction. They're a responsible, long-term-looking player, and Wall Street seems to be populated by 20-somethings that think a 1-year window is a long time, and believe in distributing rather than reinvesting profits for the long-term. Which is why places like Taiwan are kicking the US's butt on chips; chip manufacturing requires massive capital invested for a long window.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:21 pm

The Tri-Holers Aren't Done Yet! Good news: saw N215WE doing an Amerijet trip today MIA-SJU.

Meanwhile, OB-2059-P did a round-trip MIA-SDQ today, followed by a round-trip to SAL, from which it is now returning. Two in a day!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:46 am

And indeed, ER-BBJ, amply described by our friend CX747 in the post above, left maintenance at GMF AeroAsia in Jakarta this morning (6/23/21) and flew to HKG, from where it headed north into China, presumably to pick up a load and/or maybe to head home with a load from HKG.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:31 pm

wjcandee wrote:
B350pilot wrote:
Hey guys. General air cargo "business" question. At $23 a share, why is ATSG stock at near 52-week lows? They are also lagging behind Atlas Air (ticker AAWW), which was perceived or believed to be the underdog to ATSG regarding ACMI cargo ops, I thought.

With the E-commerce boom etc, I would think ATSG stock would be doing better.

Opinions? Thank you

Cargo stocks compared against each other: https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf ... WW,FDX,UPS

ATSG stock chart: https://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=ATSG& ... 4375645310


It's still a niche play and the bigger Wall Street players don't understand their business model, which is quite-diversified and resilient. Those that do understand it think it's genius, and it's interesting that AAWW, to a limited extent, is moving in that direction. They're a responsible, long-term-looking player, and Wall Street seems to be populated by 20-somethings that think a 1-year window is a long time, and believe in distributing rather than reinvesting profits for the long-term. Which is why places like Taiwan are kicking the US's butt on chips; chip manufacturing requires massive capital invested for a long window.


Great info. I suppose my question is why is Atlas stock doing so well, while ATSG is not. Atlas and ATSG are not grossly dissimilar. ACMI's, similar fleet, similar client base, indeed one mutual big name client.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:52 am

wjcandee wrote:
B350pilot wrote:
Hey guys. General air cargo "business" question. At $23 a share, why is ATSG stock at near 52-week lows? They are also lagging behind Atlas Air (ticker AAWW), which was perceived or believed to be the underdog to ATSG regarding ACMI cargo ops, I thought.

With the E-commerce boom etc, I would think ATSG stock would be doing better.

Opinions? Thank you

Cargo stocks compared against each other: https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf ... WW,FDX,UPS

ATSG stock chart: https://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=ATSG& ... 4375645310


It's still a niche play and the bigger Wall Street players don't understand their business model, which is quite-diversified and resilient. Those that do understand it think it's genius, and it's interesting that AAWW, to a limited extent, is moving in that direction. They're a responsible, long-term-looking player, and Wall Street seems to be populated by 20-somethings that think a 1-year window is a long time, and believe in distributing rather than reinvesting profits for the long-term. Which is why places like Taiwan are kicking the US's butt on chips; chip manufacturing requires massive capital invested for a long window.


Outstanding, just outstanding. Spot on analysis once again.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:14 am

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/westjet- ... 00470.html

It's been posted elsewhere but I believe it is relevant to our ongoing world wide analysis. Westjet is getting into the dedicated cargo hauling business. Their steed of choice is the 737-800P2F. Looks like the initial setup will be 4 jets.

Smart move to get in on the nuclear hot freight market. Bring in extra revenue, build out a dedicated network and customer base. In the great white North, they should have no problem filling up the jets with desperately needed cargo for the small brave outposts. Should be up and running in just about 12 months, which is smokin fast. Not sure which location Westjet's 737s will head to for conversion but it won't be too long until we see movement.

Wonder if we see some of the other operators in that region also try to build out fortresses of consistent revenue that are not pax dependent.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:36 am

wjcandee wrote:
And indeed, ER-BBJ, amply described by our friend CX747 in the post above, left maintenance at GMF AeroAsia in Jakarta this morning (6/23/21) and flew to HKG, from where it headed north into China, presumably to pick up a load and/or maybe to head home with a load from HKG.


Now painted into their full colours, with the red titles, red tail and white "ATC" on the tail.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:41 am

CX Flyboy wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
And indeed, ER-BBJ, amply described by our friend CX747 in the post above, left maintenance at GMF AeroAsia in Jakarta this morning (6/23/21) and flew to HKG, from where it headed north into China, presumably to pick up a load and/or maybe to head home with a load from HKG.


Now painted into their full colours, with the red titles, red tail and white "ATC" on the tail.


Conducted an HKG-NQZ-HHN-NQZ routing since getting back to the fleet. Maybe it heard some ghost F-16s in burner from days long ago during its trip to HHN.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:33 am

UK's ZFG Air eyes cargo flights from Newcastle

Another all-new start up cargo airline is set to take off from Newcastle International Airport, UK.

ZFG Air will initially be using a chartered A330-200 in a makeshift freighter configuration but with plans to add three in-house A330-200 freighters moving forward.

Officials say its twice-weekly operations, due to start in late June, will initially focus on Dubai and Hong Kong, with further routes to the USA and Europe expected to be announced later this year.

They say the venture has already created several jobs across commercial, administrative and financial departments, as well as flight and ground operations, with further posts in the pipeline.

Website: https://zfgair.com/
Company Registration Details: https://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/13058766
News article:
https://netimesmagazine.co.uk/news/new- ... l-airport/
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -newcastle
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:48 pm

Heads up for another zombie 744F

N570B, formerly Korean Air Cargo HL7482, a PW powered example that ferried MZJ-SBD about 3 weeks ago appears to have a flight to ANC scheduled today. Headed across the Pacific for MX work or entering service?

This airframe has been stored for the past 8 years.

Source: Skyliner
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:30 pm

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Heads up for another zombie 744F

N570B, formerly Korean Air Cargo HL7482, a PW powered example that ferried MZJ-SBD about 3 weeks ago appears to have a flight to ANC scheduled today. Headed across the Pacific for MX work or entering service?

This airframe has been stored for the past 8 years.

Source: Skyliner


She’s been trying to leave SBD for the last few days, still no luck. Might require a few tries like Western Global’s 744 N452SN needed out of VCV.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:54 am

https://theloadstar.com/the-end-looms-f ... -be-sorry/

As we all knew, the paxargo role would be limited. This reduction has over the past several days mad my grey matter work. Pax are returning but people have relearned that dedicated freighters do make money. Will we see an American carrier begin full cargo operations ala Westjet & Air Canada have done?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:12 am

Sky Lease Cargo 747-400F N904AR filed ORD-SBD 1AM - 2:41AM as GG9904, likely for maintenance at AeroPro. Ex Korean Air 747-400F N570B has supposedly been ready to leave SBD for the last few days but keeps getting cancelled so N904AR is probably taking N570B's place.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/gg9904
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:24 am

Great to see another B744BCF returning to service.

I was looking at B744F factory made freighter, there is one frame that caught my attention MSN 26401/ Ln 1087. It was delivered to Korean Air 6th Sept 1996, and was reassigned to Grandstar Cargo (a joint venture between Sinotrans Air transportation Development Company and Korean Air Cargo). It began operation on 27th June 2008, having served Frankfurt, Shanghai and Seoul from Tianjin.

However, it ended operation in May 2012. In June 2013, Korean Air agreed to sell the cargo airline to China's Uni-top Airlines for USD0.16. Deal was completed in Nov 2014. Uni-top itself went bankrupt on 20th Nov 2019.

The airframe has been in storage at PEK since 25th Dec 2011, last photo was taken earlier last month looking pretty intact minus the engines.


Airliners.net's latest photo is dated 2019. Competitor's has the latest from May 2021.

Anyone knows any insider information regarding the airframe? She was just 15 years old when she was abandoned. She was spotted being pushed into Beijing Ameco for checks occassionally. Would be a waste if she is scrapped prematurely.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:30 am

A quick update: AirAsia is anticipating their new B737-8BCF for its logistics arm Teleport to arrive in September 2021. To be based at Bangkok and will operate to Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Hong Kong, Jakarta and Yangon.

It will be supplemented by two A320 passenger aircraft turn cargo by removing seats, one each based in KUL and another in BKK.

In May, AirAsia operated six A330 and two A320 on behalf of Teleport and plans to increase it within the year. With the leasing of the freighter and the conversion of planes, Teleport will be even more capable and reliable in delivering more cargo and enforces Teleport’s coverage across Asia.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/a ... ons-in-q3/

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:29 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
A quick update: AirAsia is anticipating their new B737-8BCF for its logistics arm Teleport to arrive in September 2021. To be based at Bangkok and will operate to Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Hong Kong, Jakarta and Yangon.

It will be supplemented by two A320 passenger aircraft turn cargo by removing seats, one each based in KUL and another in BKK.

In May, AirAsia operated six A330 and two A320 on behalf of Teleport and plans to increase it within the year. With the leasing of the freighter and the conversion of planes, Teleport will be even more capable and reliable in delivering more cargo and enforces Teleport’s coverage across Asia.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/a ... ons-in-q3/

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The HKG circle is actually where CAN is!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:06 am

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Sky Lease Cargo 747-400F N904AR filed ORD-SBD 1AM - 2:41AM as GG9904, likely for maintenance at AeroPro.


Interesting: N904AR arrived Saturday morning around 4am and left Sunday night about 730pm. AeroPro turned around whatever they needed to do in less than 40 hours. Good on them.

Meanwhile, over at Western Global... The fleet that aren't in maintenance actually seem to have been a smidge more reliable these days. But 543JN did an air return to Memphis tonight.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:32 pm

Looks like Transair Cargo of Hawaii's newest 737-400 (N251AU) is headed up to DHN from TPA tonight. Not sure if it was converted by PEMCO at TPA or if maintenance was only done at TPA. If it was converted at TPA, the DHN trip is likely for paint. A PEMCO conversion going to the old PEMCO facility (now Commercial Jet) if that's the case
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:27 pm

Ex Korean Air Cargo 747-400F N570B filed SBD-ANC 4:59PM - 8:32PM as JTN61 en route to DEL after maintenance. Let's see what's in store for this 30.2 year old veteran. Allegedly she's headed to 21 Air but DEL seems like a strange place to go if that's true.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n570b
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:26 am

Atlas Air B747-443 N481MC (ex-Virgin Atlantic G-VROM) was spotted in a sparkling new coat of paint at TPE Evergreen MRO Centre, few days ago.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQkbDcvMorh ... _copy_link
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:47 am

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Ex Korean Air Cargo 747-400F N570B filed SBD-ANC 4:59PM - 8:32PM as JTN61 en route to DEL after maintenance. Let's see what's in store for this 30.2 year old veteran. Allegedly she's headed to 21 Air but DEL seems like a strange place to go if that's true.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n570b


21 Air had owned it, but sold it to Alta Airline Holdings in 2019. It was again sold in 2020, presumably to a non-US operator, and placed in a registration trust.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:00 pm

GECAS has converted three options for the -300ERSF into firm orders for now 18 firm plus 12 options. At the same time they announced that Kalitta will take another 2 -3000ERSF, now 5 planned.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:30 pm

ATSG acquires 2 A321s for conversion and lease.

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/atsg-acce ... and-lease/
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:04 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
Ex Korean Air Cargo 747-400F N570B filed SBD-ANC 4:59PM - 8:32PM as JTN61 en route to DEL after maintenance. Let's see what's in store for this 30.2 year old veteran. Allegedly she's headed to 21 Air but DEL seems like a strange place to go if that's true.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n570b


She made it to DEL. The plot thickens.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:10 pm

wjcandee wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Sky Lease Cargo 747-400F N904AR filed ORD-SBD 1AM - 2:41AM as GG9904, likely for maintenance at AeroPro.


Interesting: N904AR arrived Saturday morning around 4am and left Sunday night about 730pm. AeroPro turned around whatever they needed to do in less than 40 hours. Good on them.

Meanwhile, over at Western Global... The fleet that aren't in maintenance actually seem to have been a smidge more reliable these days. But 543JN did an air return to Memphis tonight.


I was about to report that their 747 fleet had been operating quite well of late, until I saw that factory-F N258SN did an air return to LAX a couple days ago. Also skyliner is reporting that their next MD11, ex-LH machine D-ALCD has been registered as N784SN so let's see what she does after crossing the pond. 344KD and 356KD on the other hand have had a decent month.

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:46 pm

DLNZ wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Ex Korean Air Cargo 747-400F N570B filed SBD-ANC 4:59PM - 8:32PM as JTN61 en route to DEL after maintenance. Let's see what's in store for this 30.2 year old veteran. Allegedly she's headed to 21 Air but DEL seems like a strange place to go if that's true.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n570b


She made it to DEL. The plot thickens.


“Delivering humanitarian COVID relief then to C Check in Germany“

https://twitter.com/jttsteve/status/140 ... 18786?s=21
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:16 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
DLNZ wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Ex Korean Air Cargo 747-400F N570B filed SBD-ANC 4:59PM - 8:32PM as JTN61 en route to DEL after maintenance. Let's see what's in store for this 30.2 year old veteran. Allegedly she's headed to 21 Air but DEL seems like a strange place to go if that's true.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jtn61
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n570b


She made it to DEL. The plot thickens.


“Delivering humanitarian COVID relief then to C Check in Germany“

https://twitter.com/jttsteve/status/140 ... 18786?s=21


Huh. Jet test operating a revenue flight on the way to LH Technik?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:20 am

Spacepope wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
DLNZ wrote:

She made it to DEL. The plot thickens.


“Delivering humanitarian COVID relief then to C Check in Germany“

https://twitter.com/jttsteve/status/140 ... 18786?s=21


Huh. Jet test operating a revenue flight on the way to LH Technik?


In the air again after the DEL drop-off, still under the JTN callsign, really curious about that. Currently tracking over Kazakhstani territory. I like a you.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:09 am

DC-8-63F N865F appears to be in the process of reactivation at KYIP

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:09 am

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In the air again after the DEL drop-off, still under the JTN callsign, really curious about that. Currently tracking over Kazakhstani territory. I like a you.


JTN can operate a flight for the aircraft owner between any one point to any other point. The aircraft/operator can't carry passengers for hire without further certification, and it likely can't carry cargo for hire without further certification/authorization, but it can certainly carry anything the owner wants to carry for free. So humanitarian supplies would seem to fit the bill under certain circumstances.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:30 am

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ATSG acquires 2 A321s for conversion and lease.


This is a big development. ATSG put the money into developing and certifying the A321 Precision conversion solution (STC), which they'll get back pretty-quickly from royalties they will earn from Precision's sale of a relatively-small number of coversion kits. They were cautious about investing in the next two money-making opportunities, but both of those oppotunities now appear to be bearing fruit.

The first other opportunity was training up and preparing ATSG's subsidiary PEMCO to do the touch work on the conversions in TPA, which they decided pretty-quickly to do as the market for the converted freighter started to come into focus. The prototype wasn't done at PEMCO; rather, it was done at AVOCET at SFB. But the first production freighter is being converted at PEMCO, as are all future ones until they need an expansion house or a customer wants to buy the kits and do the work itself.

So ATSG will also make money from the touch work. Having "dibs" on the touch work was probably an important component of the deal they made to finance the development of the Precision STC.

The second other way ATSG can make money is to have their leasing subsidiary purchase feedstock, convert the aircraft at PEMCO, and have CAM dry-lease them out. Interestingly, the first half-dozen or so orders were not by CAM, but rather were by external leasing companies that simply reached out to Precision to manage the conversion of A321s already-owned by those leasing companies. And that should be a significant source of conversion business going forward. Interestingly, as recently as the last investor call, ATSG had not purchased feedstock and had not contracted with anybody to lease them an A321 conversion. However, they admitted that they were actively in the market looking for suitable feedstock in the event that they could find customers that would like to lease A321 freighters from CAM. And it was pretty-obvious that the moment that they did find those customers, they'd fire up a lease/conversion program.

And now they have, with an initial small order for two.

There's some good synergy as well between the A321 conversion program and the rest of the ATSG business model, which is a smart one. In theory, but not always, it starts with a lease. Wanna dry lease a plane from us? Sure. We'll source the feedstock, manage the conversion and any upgrades (avionics, etc.), and dry-lease it to you at a favorable price. You want us to handle the maintenance program for the aircraft? Sure. (Extra $$) Want us to fly it for you until you have enough pilots in your operation trained and certified to fly it yourself? No problem. (Extra $$.) (They did this "wet-to-dry" lease program with the Aloha 767 for NAC; leased it to NAC with Aloha branding, but ATI flew it until NAC could train pilots and get ETOPS certification for their Hawaii flights, which ended up being nearly four years.) Need ground handling? Need us to operate a sort center? ATSG has solid-performing subsidiaries that do all this. So dry-leasing A321s now looks like it may be an absolutely-genius move that will bring synergies throughout the ATSG business model, same as it does with the 767s, where their conversion/maintenance/upgrade/etc. businesses are centers of excellence, as shown by the fact that DL, UA and many others use ATSG subsidiary AMES for 757/767 maintenence and upgrades.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:41 am

Pardon my lack of expertise here, but what is meant by "touch work?"
 
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:48 am

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Pardon my lack of expertise here, but what is meant by "touch work?"


Sure, in this context, touch work means the hands-on work of the conversion. Usually, there is a heavy maintenance check done at the same time. However, strictly-speaking, the touch work would mean following the work cards that lay out the procedure of the conversion, including removing the things that get removed from the passenger model, cutting the frame where necessary, installing the new cargo door and its hydraulics and controls, installing the new equipment necessary to complete the project, such as strengthening members, bulkheads, window plugs, adding any necessary ballast, etc. This conversion leaves the L1 entrance door where it is, but if it were to be moved (as in the EFW conversion), then doing that. And so on.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:14 am

Looks like the ex KE bird is heading to Hahn.
Are there any shops there ..?
Or ready to start earning $$$$
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:45 am

according to Skyliners the ex KE bcf is headed to aerotranscargo of Moldova
source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:08 pm

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Looks like the ex KE bird is heading to Hahn.
Are there any shops there ..?
Or ready to start earning $$$$

Iirc Hahn was where our Pratt powered friend, the 744 from National that was heavily damaged non approach to Morocco a few months back was ferried for final repairs.

Anyone have a report on what was damaged/destroyed in that incident?
 
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:59 pm

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Looks like the ex KE bird is heading to Hahn.
Are there any shops there ..?
Or ready to start earning $$$$


Seems the bird is heading to the rough and tumble fleet of ATC. Yet another unique way of acquiring 747Fs in this cargo bonfire induced drought.

HHN has Haitec at the field, so if additional maintenance work or a C Check is going to be accomplished, it could be them. Why they wouldn't of knocked that out in the US or gone to GMF at CGK is beyond my knowledge. Could just be avialbilty, cost or because. Let's see where this awoken Queen heads next.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:21 pm

Weird routing too…
SBD-ANC-DEL-HHN….
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:01 pm

Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator. Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:03 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator. Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.


The conversions themselves may be young but the airframes are quite elderly. Never say never - the Orbis eye hospital is a former FX MD-10, and IIRC one of the MD-10-30s got sold to South America - but it seems pretty unlikely.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:07 pm

aristoenigma wrote:
747classic wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Quite a few posts now are finally outlining the Saudia 748Fs parked but I wonder what is the actual asking price?


You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "


Likely us mere lurking mortals will never know. Seems that Saudia has no urgency to sell the freighters. The Royalty side of the Saudi aviation house have quietly allowed the green 2012 BBJ LN 1446 to sit for nine years and counting (possibly listed for a haircut 95M). I had thought that the airline had instituted stricter profit center measurements so holding out for too high a price.for the frreighters may be chasing diminishing returns.


The Saudi’s have a habit of letting aircraft rot away in the desert. Look at the VIP MD-11’s a shame.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:30 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
747classic wrote:

You can try to call with +44 1483 235 737, see : : https://www.myairtrade.com/available/B747

But attention : "It is strictly prohibited to contact listing companies, unless you are a Buyer, Lessee or Mandated agent "


Likely us mere lurking mortals will never know. Seems that Saudia has no urgency to sell the freighters. The Royalty side of the Saudi aviation house have quietly allowed the green 2012 BBJ LN 1446 to sit for nine years and counting (possibly listed for a haircut 95M). I had thought that the airline had instituted stricter profit center measurements so holding out for too high a price.for the frreighters may be chasing diminishing returns.


The Saudi’s have a habit of letting aircraft rot away in the desert. Look at the VIP MD-11’s a shame.


they have money flowing out of the ground. literally
 
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 pm

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Pardon my lack of expertise here, but what is meant by "touch work?"


Sure, in this context, touch work means the hands-on work of the conversion. Usually, there is a heavy maintenance check done at the same time. However, strictly-speaking, the touch work would mean following the work cards that lay out the procedure of the conversion, including removing the things that get removed from the passenger model, cutting the frame where necessary, installing the new cargo door and its hydraulics and controls, installing the new equipment necessary to complete the project, such as strengthening members, bulkheads, window plugs, adding any necessary ballast, etc. This conversion leaves the L1 entrance door where it is, but if it were to be moved (as in the EFW conversion), then doing that. And so on.


Gotcha, thanks. This is still one of the most informative threads on the website.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:51 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator? Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.



Maybe actually. The MD-10 has CF-6 engines, so commonality with the 767/MD-11/747-400 means that finding parts for these engines is somewhat less difficult. Plus, when the US and the Netherlands retire the KC-10s from the armed forces, more parts to scavenge also. Maybe some operator in remote Africa/latin America could get the FX frames, though it is all a very uneducated guess of mine. Someone more educated can shed a little more light on your answer.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:02 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator? Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.



Maybe actually. The MD-10 has CF-6 engines, so commonality with the 767/MD-11/747-400 means that finding parts for these engines is somewhat less difficult. Plus, when the US and the Netherlands retire the KC-10s from the armed forces, more parts to scavenge also. Maybe some operator in remote Africa/latin America could get the FX frames, though it is all a very uneducated guess of mine. Someone more educated can shed a little more light on your answer.


MD10-10 aircraft are powered by CF6-6(D) engines
MD10-30 aircraft are powered by CF6-50C engines
These two engine types have very few identical parts (some bolts :) ) with the CF6-80C2 series, that are powering 767/MD11/747-400 aircraft.
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:15 pm

Lessor ACS orders 7 additional B737-800SFs

https://www.aircargonews.net/freighters ... nversions/

Lessor Aero Capital Services has ordered seven B737-800SFs with AEI. Earlier this year the lessor already ordered ten of them. In total, ACS has now ordered 21 B737-800SFs with AEI.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:28 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator? Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.



Maybe actually. The MD-10 has CF-6 engines, so commonality with the 767/MD-11/747-400 means that finding parts for these engines is somewhat less difficult. Plus, when the US and the Netherlands retire the KC-10s from the armed forces, more parts to scavenge also. Maybe some operator in remote Africa/latin America could get the FX frames, though it is all a very uneducated guess of mine. Someone more educated can shed a little more light on your answer.


Holland had only four.

T-235 which will be available shortly.
T-255 has apparently been stored since 2014,(probably long gone).
T-264 sold to Omega in 2020 as N264DE
N1857U was purchased for spares in 2005 and is probably also long gone.

https://www.ipms.nl/artikelen/nedmil-lu ... mcdon-dc10

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-dc10-46987.htm

These were KDC10, as opposed to the USAF KC10's.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:09 pm

747classic wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Would the Fed Ex MD-10’s possibly be purchased by a cargo operator? Being that they are already converted and have a modern flight deck. Some of the MD-10’s were only flow 10 years after being converted.



Maybe actually. The MD-10 has CF-6 engines, so commonality with the 767/MD-11/747-400 means that finding parts for these engines is somewhat less difficult. Plus, when the US and the Netherlands retire the KC-10s from the armed forces, more parts to scavenge also. Maybe some operator in remote Africa/latin America could get the FX frames, though it is all a very uneducated guess of mine. Someone more educated can shed a little more light on your answer.


MD10-10 aircraft are powered by CF6-6(D) engines
MD10-30 aircraft are powered by CF6-50C engines
These two engine types have very few identical parts (some bolts :) ) with the CF6-80C2 series, that are powering 767/MD11/747-400 aircraft.


And FX was the very last operator of the CF6-6 so support and spares will be somewhat difficult to come by (affordably).
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:55 pm

FedEx is pretty business savvy. If they are parking MD-10's it is probably because they are not useful anymore or cost prohibitive.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:33 pm

B350pilot wrote:
FedEx is pretty business savvy. If they are parking MD-10's it is probably because they are not useful anymore or cost prohibitive.


They are savvy. And they are also THE operator of what? 2/3rd of all DC-10's outside of USAF, right?
If they cannot make (some of) these MD-10's work anymore, during the cargo boom, it probably means they have squeezed pretty much all there was. So the remaining frames will soldier on, as long as there is (some) life left in them.

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