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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:00 am

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I wonder if they will step up their pax charter operations, as the sole B752 is working hard, and A332 N819CA has been generally well utilised also.


Both ships were aimed squarely at military business, although the A332 was rumoured to be not wanted by the military for international troop movements. Don't know why. Don't know if it's true. What was true, however, is that since it started operating, it really wasn't doing overseas military work, just a fair number of domestic military movements and commercial incentive-charter-type stuff, including one resulting in a great shot going into SXM. That all changed when the Afghanistan evacuations started, and suddenly 819CA was crossing the pond with some frequency. I don't know if that will cause it to pick up more CAMBER flights or not, but it's nice to see it getting more and more utilization. It's a nice-looking plane, inside and out. On the 757 side, I feel like for some reason National is holding it at one. It seems like that's their number, despite the thing flying an insane amount of segments, mostly domestic military, virtually every day. They had the opportunity to go to two ships several times over the past few years, and they just stuck with the one. Certainly I would love to see them get more business, as I would Omni.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 am

200 Watch.
Only one I can see in the air at the moment ,
Fly Pro’s ER-BAR , heading north out of DEL,
Not bad for a 40 year old frame.

Edit:
Correction, Geo Sky’s 4L-GEN has just popped up on radar at TBS, .. I’m sure this thing is airborne/active 20+ hours a day.!!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:26 pm

A newbie to this thread but Ive seen it reported the last TUI UK B757s are being withdrawn this week and are heading for freighter conversion via St Athan (for cabin removal). Given most of their siblings went to SF Airlines would it be reasonable to assume these are heading the same way?

Also its a shame those RR powered B742s hardly visit to the UK. Would be nice hearing that sound once more!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:30 pm

A contender for resurrection, after a visit to GMF ?
L/N 878, C/N 25266, 747-228F, N54VP, White Walker Holdings, SJH. July 22th 2021
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Original uploaded by Aviafan at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/superspotter/51332408151
N54VP, since April 2021 owned by White Walker Holdings, has been stored at SJH since september 2014, previous registations : F-GCBN (Air france NTU), PH-MCN (Martinair),A6-MDG (MIDEX)
Delivered in September 1991, as one of the last assembled 747-200F'S, built after 128 747-400's and 25 747-400M's were assembled, so structurally a 747-400 frame with the 3 crew cockpit configuration
The aircraft seems in a more or less complete condition, without any robbed parts, however corrosion due non protected storage could be an issue, together with the availability of four servicable GE CF6-50E2 engines.
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:40 pm

Rumor from a friend is that Fedex plans on keeping a minimum fleet of MD-10s through 2022.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:30 pm

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Rumor from a friend is that Fedex plans on keeping a minimum fleet of MD-10s through 2022.


Not a totally out of left field rumor I'd wager.

With he international supply chain issues we still have, every MD-10 route in service means one more MD-11 free to do other things.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 pm

Boeing adds 2 763BCF conversion lines with GAMECO. https://newsroom.aviator.aero/boeing-to ... et-demand/
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:36 am

747classic wrote:
A contender for resurrection, after a visit to GMF ?
L/N 878, C/N 25266, 747-228F, N54VP, White Walker Holdings, SJH. July 22th 2021

Original uploaded by Aviafan at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/superspotter/51332408151
N54VP, since April 2021 owned by White Walker Holdings, has been stored at SJH since september 2014, previous registations : F-GCBN (Air france NTU), PH-MCN (Martinair),A6-MDG (MIDEX)
Delivered in September 1991, as one of the last assembled 747-200F'S, built after 128 747-400's and 25 747-400M's were assembled, so structurally a 747-400 frame with the 3 crew cockpit configuration
The aircraft seems in a more or less complete condition, without any robbed parts, however corrosion due non protected storage could be an issue, together with the availability of four servicable GE CF6-50E2 engines.


Thank you for this, I was sure there was a candidate at SHJ. A capable machine that's for certain, with the 747 structural upgrades. You're right of course that the storage conditions and availability of green engine time will be the key.

So the possible firing order for 747 Classics seems to be as follows:
ER-BAU - (for sale and freshly D-checked)
EW-460TQ / N691SR - Stored FJR
N54VP - Stored SHJ

Do we know the latest list for 744 conversions at TLV? I would be interested in seeing where they are up to.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 am

DLNZ wrote:

Do we know the latest list for 744 conversions at TLV? I would be interested in seeing where they are up to.


I don't think we see another full 744BDSF conversion at IAI/Bedek, perhaps a few 744combi to PFreighter conversions
All available resources are presently used for the other P-F conversion lines, especially the 767-300BDSF and the new 777-300ERSF
If IAI will commit itself to a new 744BDSF conversion, the lead time for conversion parts (e.g. SCD plus door frame) will be very long.
The only (very remote) possibilty will be a 744combi to -BDSF conversion, requiring less resources, but AFAIK the 744BDSF conversion line has been closed already and the hangar space will/has been used for other conversion lines
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:22 pm

747classic wrote:
A contender for resurrection, after a visit to GMF ?
L/N 878, C/N 25266, 747-228F, N54VP, White Walker Holdings, SJH. July 22th 2021
Image

Original uploaded by Aviafan at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/superspotter/51332408151
N54VP, since April 2021 owned by White Walker Holdings, has been stored at SJH since september 2014, previous registations : F-GCBN (Air france NTU), PH-MCN (Martinair),A6-MDG (MIDEX)
Delivered in September 1991, as one of the last assembled 747-200F'S, built after 128 747-400's and 25 747-400M's were assembled, so structurally a 747-400 frame with the 3 crew cockpit configuration
The aircraft seems in a more or less complete condition, without any robbed parts, however corrosion due non protected storage could be an issue, together with the availability of four servicable GE CF6-50E2 engines.

There are several more 747-200's with SCD's at Sharjah including her Martinair sistership PH-MCE and UTA/AF one. (parked to her right on that image, see here)
All 3 parked at Sharjah in 2014/2015.

I also think you can also see the ex-KLM 747-400 PH-BFV's winglet on her left since she was at that spot on July 22 according to satellite images.

I wonder if/when those 3 ex KLM 747-400M's will start flying.
PH-BFT has been parked at Kansas since December 2020 (no new airline/registration known), PH-BFW at Tel Aviv since January 2021 (VQ-BWL for Longtail) and the previous mentioned PH-BFT at Sharjah since June 2021 (VQ-BWM also for Longtail).

And there must be several more old 747F's in similar shape since those old 747's are parked at al sorts of odd places around the world.
EDIT: hmm, maybe not so many parked 747-200F's left parked...

I also wonder how fast all these 747-200/-400's that have recently been put back in service get set aside when the newly converted 777's will arrive.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:34 pm

Unfortunately, GeoSky B747-222BSF 4L-GEL, one of the only two ex-UA B747-222B (the other being EX-47001 Aerostan, still active), has met his maker. Stored in TBS for since June 2019.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=202 ... 4430044366

Google Maps on her happier days: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tbili ... d44.964349
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:26 am

N858AM was scheduled to fly MIA-DHN today, but it was cancelled. It's owned by Blackrock and has been in MIA since the end of April, probably is headed up to DHN to finish up conversion. Sister ship, N859AM, underwent a similar process and was delivered to iAero at GSO from DHN in July, and it's now operating for iAero on behalf of DHL. I imagine that N858AM is also going to iAero once it finishes at DHN (once it eventually gets there). 859 arrived in MIA in December 2020, left for DHN in April 2021, was delivered in July 2021. 858 took her place in MIA at Commercial Jet's facility
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:04 am

wjcandee wrote:
Re the MD11s -- seems like the PW engines might be more desireable, as WGN, for example, is reportedly having trouble getting GE engines with sufficient time. They refuse to use PW, which might open an opportunity for others.



Fed Ex has many of the ex DL MD-11’s parked with very low cycles and hours. And a few months ago I asked about them and were told Fed Ex didn’t want PW birds. I’m almost certain they had 10-12k cycles 58-60k hours. What about factory built MD-10-30’s Fed Ex bought new? Do they have any stored?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:11 am

DL757NYC wrote:
Fed Ex has many of the ex DL MD-11’s parked with very low cycles and hours. And a few months ago I asked about them and were told Fed Ex didn’t want PW birds. I’m almost certain they had 10-12k cycles 58-60k hours. What about factory built MD-10-30’s Fed Ex bought new? Do they have any stored?


Very interesting! Thanks for that info!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:05 am

I'm just curious as to how tight the air freight market is. in spring and summer 2020 airlines were operating passenger aircraft as freighters. Sometimes freight was carried in the passenger compartment, sometimes not. Clearly then air freight rates must have been very high. Fast forward to now, and is the air freight market still tight with resulting high rates? thanks in advance for any info.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:40 am

DL757NYC wrote:
Fed Ex has many of the ex DL MD-11’s parked with very low cycles and hours. And a few months ago I asked about them and were told Fed Ex didn’t want PW birds. I’m almost certain they had 10-12k cycles 58-60k hours. What about factory built MD-10-30’s Fed Ex bought new? Do they have any stored?


I’m pretty sure no one is still converting MD11’s from pax to cargo.
And if my memory serves me correctly, FedEx converted the DC10-30’s to MD spec, none were factory built. In fact the MD11 was being built by then, with the last DC10 delivered 1n 1989, and first MD11 flight in 1990.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:23 am

Thought I'd do a Preighter update of some of the carriers who are relatively new to freighter ops:

AlisCargo Airlines:

EI-GWA (B777-200, ex-SQ). MXP-HKG-MXP.
EI-GWB (B777-200, ex-SQ). Also exclusively doing MXP-HKG-MXP rotations.

SmartLynx Malta:

9H-SMC (A330-300, ex-CZ) seems to be plying the RIX-HAN-HKG-KIX-ANC-MIA-RIX rotation. ANC is occasionally swapped with YVR, so nodoubt just a fuel stop.
9H-SMD (A330-300, ex-SQ) is a bit harder to pin down to specific routes, but the main theme seems to be RIX-HKG-RIX with a RIX-LIS/MAD/BCN-RIX rotation on the other end. Has done what appears to be the odd charter to Dubai, Ouagadougou and Lyon. Recently it returned to RIX from Asia via ANC and PIT. Currently airborne on the way to Chittagong, from Riga.

San Marino Executive Aviation:

T7-ULS (A330-300, ex-DK) seems to be based at IST/ISL and operating mainly for ULS Cargo. Destinations from there include CGN, HEL, DWC, ALG and MXP. Occasional rotation of IST-BLL-PAP-PUJ-IST.

HiFly:

CS-TQP (A330-300 - 1998 build). Mostly FRA-BOM-FRA. Occasionally there's a DEL tag added in making FRA-BOM-DEL-BOM-FRA. Recently a BOM-LOS-BOM tag instead.

HiFly Malta:

9H-HFA (A330-300, ex-SA - 2017 build so relatively very new). Very busy on HKG-ANC-JFK-ANC-HKG.
9H-TAJ (A330-300, ex-SQ - 2013 build). All over the place - lots of flying between Vietnam, Japan/SouthKorea and the US. Did an interesting HKG-NRT-LAX-SCL-FRA routing last month.
9H-FOX (A340-300, ex-EK). Lots of ventures into Asia, especially - hard to find specific patterns. Did a 15 hour sector between LCK and DEL in mid September.
Has done KIX-JFK a couple of times.
9H-JAI (A340-300, ex-EK). A bit easier to find patterns here. NRT-PIT-DEL-HAN-NRT is fairly frequent. Occasionally with an extra stop at BRU or FRA between PIT and DEL. I wonder who the customer in/near PIT is.
9H-SOL (A340-300, ex-IB). Done a few LIS-KUL-SGN-KIX-PIT-Europe rotations. A few FRA-DEL-FRA sectors too.
9H-SUN (A340-300, ex-UL). Been working very hard doing ICN-ANC-LCK-ICN-HAN-ICN rotations.

Wamos Air:

EC-LNH (A330-200, ex-UX - 2003 build). Another one who's flights are all over the place. One interesting routing was MAD-MNL-DXB-TGD. Has also done BER-MNL-DXB-TGD-MAD.
EC-MTT (A330-200, ex-AB - 2002 build). Mostly operating ZAZ-YYZ-ZAZ, but also ZAZ-JFK-ZAZ and ZAZ-TLV-ZAZ. Presumably the customer there will be Inditex.
EC-MTU (A330-200, ex-AB - 2002 build). Exclusively doing TLL-SZX-TLL-JFK-TLL rotations at the moment.


RoyalBrunei757 wrote:


Unrelated, but I'm only curious as to who's is the white MD11 (or possibly DC10?) on the apron adjacent to the main passenger terminal.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:48 am

Some bits and pieces I haven´t seen here so far:

- NordStar (Russia) set to take two B737-800BCF for a new cargo division [3rd Russian operator of the type then]
- GAMECO to set up two B767 conversion lines
- KargoExpress (Malaysia) set to take two B737-800BCF
- Aerotranscargo will operate 3x weekly between Hefei and London for JD.com
- IPP Air Cargo (Vietnam) intends to add 10 B777-200LRF
- CMA CGM Air Cargo has ordered (?) 2 B777-200LRF to complement its fleet of A330-200F
- Meridian (Ukraine) intends to acquire B737-800BDC and B767-300 freighter in 2022/2023

The market still being in full swing, though one has to ask how hard the landing will be for many carriers once the market normalizes.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:32 am

What if this IS the new normal?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:21 pm

zkojq wrote:
Unrelated, but I'm only curious as to who's is the white MD11 (or possibly DC10?) on the apron adjacent to the main passenger terminal.

Western Global Airlines MD11F N411SN.
Satellite image is July 20, 2020. N411SN landed at Tbilisi (TBS) on July 19 at 21:33 from Liege (LGG) and departed TBS for Kandahar (KDH) on July 20 at 17:11.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:28 pm

mcg wrote:
I'm just curious as to how tight the air freight market is. in spring and summer 2020 airlines were operating passenger aircraft as freighters. Sometimes freight was carried in the passenger compartment, sometimes not. Clearly then air freight rates must have been very high. Fast forward to now, and is the air freight market still tight with resulting high rates? thanks in advance for any info.


Here is a link to Air Cargo news. According to them rates are very high and will remain so.
https://www.aircargonews.net/category/b ... ght-rates/
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:07 pm

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What if this IS the new normal?


I don´t believe so. The main reason for the drastic uptick in [pure] airfreight has been the lack of belly feight capacity since early 2020. The overall trend prior to 2020 had been a gradual shift from pure freight operations to belly freight operations, at least on conventional freight. E.g. the market of the Cargolux, Lufthansa Cargo etc. likes.

Integrators & e-commerce such as FedEx, UPS, Amazon Air etc are a different beast where capacity and demand has been growing since years, and will likely continue to do for some more years.

What we see currently is a lot of carrier moving into the regular freight market, but are clearly not integrators, neither e-commerce companies with an attached logistics arm. And that´s - at least my opinion - going to be rather short-lived with several of them dropping out of the market once this segment normalizes. Yes, might be that some will turn towards flying for the FedEx, DHL, UPS of the World as subs, but even that market segment won´t absorb all the capacity coming in at the moment.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:49 pm

Plus the back log of carro ships waiting to be unloaded at many ports has got to help..
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:35 pm

Flying-Tiger wrote:
Some bits and pieces I haven´t seen here so far:

- NordStar (Russia) set to take two B737-800BCF for a new cargo division [3rd Russian operator of the type then]
- GAMECO to set up two B767 conversion lines
- KargoExpress (Malaysia) set to take two B737-800BCF
- Aerotranscargo will operate 3x weekly between Hefei and London for JD.com
- IPP Air Cargo (Vietnam) intends to add 10 B777-200LRF
- CMA CGM Air Cargo has ordered (?) 2 B777-200LRF to complement its fleet of A330-200F
- Meridian (Ukraine) intends to acquire B737-800BDC and B767-300 freighter in 2022/2023

The market still being in full swing, though one has to ask how hard the landing will be for many carriers once the market normalizes.


where are these 777's coming from, CMA CGM sounds like it's getting air Frances originally delivered 777f.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:52 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
Flying-Tiger wrote:
Some bits and pieces I haven´t seen here so far:

- NordStar (Russia) set to take two B737-800BCF for a new cargo division [3rd Russian operator of the type then]
- GAMECO to set up two B767 conversion lines
- KargoExpress (Malaysia) set to take two B737-800BCF
- Aerotranscargo will operate 3x weekly between Hefei and London for JD.com
- IPP Air Cargo (Vietnam) intends to add 10 B777-200LRF
- CMA CGM Air Cargo has ordered (?) 2 B777-200LRF to complement its fleet of A330-200F
- Meridian (Ukraine) intends to acquire B737-800BDC and B767-300 freighter in 2022/2023

The market still being in full swing, though one has to ask how hard the landing will be for many carriers once the market normalizes.


where are these 777's coming from, CMA CGM sounds like it's getting air Frances originally delivered 777f.


Directly from Boeing per other reporting on this thread.
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:31 pm

My point is, simply, that the global supply and fulfillment chain has been moving towards an even more rigorous "just in time" model for more and more goods, and the uncertainties and long delays of ocean going, and even rail/truck freight in some cases, just can't be tolerated anymore. While it is quite obvious that belly freight capacity is drastically reduced from what it once was a few years ago, it seems to me that air freight demand was rising faster than belly capacity was being added before the pandemic, and, as it appears that global air travel will be in for a long term slump as COVID appears to be here for the long haul, even with extensive vaccination, the belly capacity available before the pandemic will be sharply reduced for many years. Added to all of that, you have the sea change in purchasing habits by a large fraction of consumers moving to even greater amount of e-shopping than ever before, requiring that products be rapidly moved from producer to regional and local distribution warehouses on very short notice periods, which puts even greater demand on air freight.

Look at the air-frames that are in demand. Converted 737s and 767s and now passenger 777s that don't have a lot of floor strength for large, high density items. They are looking for cubic feet available to move lots of small-ish and light packages. Belly freight certainly could have carried a good portion of it, but, what we're seeing today, I'm not seeing where airline belly freight was going to satisfy a lot of that market. In my opinion, as an outside observer with family in the ground freight business, this demand for air freight is going to be around for the long term, at least until the point that some outside force steps in and makes it too expensive to maintain. While I certainly believe that some small players are going to be pushed out and fail from time to time, the market and its associated demand, will be there until that point.

My bet on what the next great disruption will be is environmental activism. At some point, there's going to be a movement to push out all but the most recent builds of aircraft for freight use, which will make a significant hit on the conversion of, and continued use of, older frames. It's probably going to be something similar to the currently approaching carbon taxes for aviation fuel in Europe. However, I don't see those same forces giving the highly polluting ocean going container ships a pass either, so, that may be a cost that gets passed on.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:27 pm

I heard a rumor last night in ANC that a Western Global 747 suffered serious spar damage and leaked a significant amount of fuel on the ramp. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:43 pm

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I heard a rumor last night in ANC that a Western Global 747 suffered serious spar damage and leaked a significant amount of fuel on the ramp. Can anyone confirm this?


Well, there are 3 operating and one at TPE. The one at TPE , the newest, is N452SN, and it's still there.

N344KD has been at LAX for 21 hours.
N356KD is on the way East from RMS, in the air.
N258SN landed in ICN about 3 hours ago from HKG.

So they're all accounted for. However, let me look at National and at SkyLease, in case there was confusion about whose bird it was.

There don't seem to be issues with the National or SkyLease fleets, either.

Maybe a WGN MD11?
411SN has been at ANC for 4 weeks.
512JN has been at ANC for over a day.
581JN has been at ANC for over a day.
799JN has been at ANC for over a day.

That's not too unusual for them to sit for a day, but it could be one of those.

Spar damage and leaking fuel are things we know happen when MD11s get away from one in the flare/landing, so maybe?

PS I love reading WGN SDRs. Like this one on 411SN last year: "Returned ANC due to strong vibration front fuselage." Then, the next day, "Returned back to ANC second time. Passing 1000 feet, loud bang shook whole airplane and flight controls." Or this one from this year: "LVL 2 HYD 3 fail. (...) Performed manual gear extension..." Never a dull moment!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:55 pm

4L-GEO is having maintenance in CGK and also being painted in the new company colours. Will look a millions times better!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:10 am

airtran737 wrote:
I heard a rumor last night in ANC that a Western Global 747 suffered serious spar damage and leaked a significant amount of fuel on the ramp. Can anyone confirm this?


Could it have been this incident about 6 days ago involving a Kalitta 747 hitting a stair stand at ANC causing wing damage? https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100: ... -21,BOEING

Otherwise, I don't see anything in ASIAS about it. However, those reports do run a couple of days behind the incident.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:35 am

Interesting that there are photos of 452SN (the newest Western Global 747) at TPE in the WGN livery as early as 8/11. It's now seven weeks after that, and the aircraft is still in TPE. I always assumed that they painted these things as kind of a last step, but here we are 3 months and 20 days after the thing arrived in TPE, and at least 7 weeks after it was painted, and it's still there. It does seem to be moving around the last couple of days, so maybe it's about ready to roll.

Should have sent it to CGK!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:48 pm

777F, D-ALFJ (ex Emirates A6-EFF) made her first flight for Lufthansa Cargo at September 30th 2021 towards Beijing, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /EDDF/ZBAA

D-ALFJ went into operation so quickly that there wasn´t enough time to put the usual Lufthansa Cargo uniform on her : only the basic white livery with some "nice" stickers attached.

D-ALFJ, FRA, Lufthansa Technik hangar
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Original uploaded by Lufthansa News on twitter, see : https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 5849493514
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:43 pm

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777F, D-ALFJ (ex Emirates A6-EFF) made her first flight for Lufthansa Cargo at September 30th 2021 towards Beijing, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /EDDF/ZBAA

D-ALFJ went into operation so quickly that there wasn´t enough time to put the usual Lufthansa Cargo uniform on her : only the basic white livery with some "nice" stickers attached.

D-ALFJ, FRA, Lufthansa Technik hangar
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Original uploaded by Lufthansa News on twitter, see : https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 5849493514


Good pickup here! While this is not the first time a cargo aircraft has entered hurried service without its paint, it shows the continued need of hulls in the cargo sector. I do love the fact that LH addressed the lack of paint! Always nice to add that touch in life overall.

I am surprised that Boeing hasn't been shopping the 777F to the likes of Atlas/Kalitta in a format to combat the 777-300ERSF. I get that the cost comparison is wide but making a little money, or money on the services end is still money in one's pocket. Plus it would help the production line transition.

I don't see passenger lower hold capacity coming back online in any significant fashion for quite some time. I also believe that the way in which the cargo community meets its customers needs has changed. See the less than 2 year old operation at Rockford, Illinois as an example. Dedicated 747s, filling a customers dedicated route requirements. Time will tell but I don't see a "snap back" to the pax world of aviation, specifically internationally for quite some time. Does the post 2019 "way" of shipping now become the entrenched format?!?!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:45 pm

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I am surprised that Boeing hasn't been shopping the 777F to the likes of Atlas/Kalitta in a format to combat the 777-300ERSF. I get that the cost comparison is wide but making a little money, or money on the services end is still money in one's pocket. Plus it would help the production line transition.

Pricing to compete with 77WF would hurt not just 77F but also upcoming 77XF.

I think Boeing is glad to see 77WF do well, it'll bring in a lot of parts, service and other after-market opportunities for them.

77XF should be different enough to establish itself with customers whose use cases favor higher payload, range, and fuel economy.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:01 pm

Continuing on with that, D-ALCC (The last MD-11F in their fleet) will officialy meet its end as D-ALFK is entered into service on October 15, 2021. "The last flights of D-ALCC will be rotations to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Chicago, and New York, before making its last landing at Frankfurt Airport." It wil then go to its new owner, western cargo.
Source: https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/10/01/luf ... st-md-11f/
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:10 pm

CX747 wrote:
747classic wrote:
777F, D-ALFJ (ex Emirates A6-EFF) made her first flight for Lufthansa Cargo at September 30th 2021 towards Beijing, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /EDDF/ZBAA

D-ALFJ went into operation so quickly that there wasn´t enough time to put the usual Lufthansa Cargo uniform on her : only the basic white livery with some "nice" stickers attached.

D-ALFJ, FRA, Lufthansa Technik hangar
Image

Original uploaded by Lufthansa News on twitter, see : https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 5849493514


Good pickup here! While this is not the first time a cargo aircraft has entered hurried service without its paint, it shows the continued need of hulls in the cargo sector. I do love the fact that LH addressed the lack of paint! Always nice to add that touch in life overall.

I am surprised that Boeing hasn't been shopping the 777F to the likes of Atlas/Kalitta in a format to combat the 777-300ERSF. I get that the cost comparison is wide but making a little money, or money on the services end is still money in one's pocket. Plus it would help the production line transition.

I don't see passenger lower hold capacity coming back online in any significant fashion for quite some time. I also believe that the way in which the cargo community meets its customers needs has changed. See the less than 2 year old operation at Rockford, Illinois as an example. Dedicated 747s, filling a customers dedicated route requirements. Time will tell but I don't see a "snap back" to the pax world of aviation, specifically internationally for quite some time. Does the post 2019 "way" of shipping now become the entrenched format?!?!


There are changes underway at Atlas now that the contract between the Union and Management has been Arbitrated. The merger between Southern and Atlas and merging of both the Southern and Atlas pilot groups will be finalized when SOC is completed in November with the new contract. I would expect a 777 expansion at Atlas around the corner after SOC.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:30 pm

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Continuing on with that, D-ALCC (The last MD-11F in their fleet) will officialy meet its end as D-ALFK is entered into service on October 15, 2021. "The last flights of D-ALCC will be rotations to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Chicago, and New York, before making its last landing at Frankfurt Airport." It wil then go to its new owner, western cargo.
Source: https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/10/01/luf ... st-md-11f/


Wait, I meant western global. My bad
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:10 pm

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Re the MD11s -- seems like the PW engines might be more desireable, as WGN, for example, is reportedly having trouble getting GE engines with sufficient time. They refuse to use PW, which might open an opportunity for others.



Fed Ex has many of the ex DL MD-11’s parked with very low cycles and hours. And a few months ago I asked about them and were told Fed Ex didn’t want PW birds. I’m almost certain they had 10-12k cycles 58-60k hours. What about factory built MD-10-30’s Fed Ex bought new? Do they have any stored?


Things changed a few months ago, with FX deciding to bring back 5 of the stored PW birds. 2 have already flown to Asia for heavy mx. I think that's the hold up on the other 3, though sourcing 15 additional Pratts for service will be an interesting challenge.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:48 pm

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DL757NYC wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Re the MD11s -- seems like the PW engines might be more desireable, as WGN, for example, is reportedly having trouble getting GE engines with sufficient time. They refuse to use PW, which might open an opportunity for others.



Fed Ex has many of the ex DL MD-11’s parked with very low cycles and hours. And a few months ago I asked about them and were told Fed Ex didn’t want PW birds. I’m almost certain they had 10-12k cycles 58-60k hours. What about factory built MD-10-30’s Fed Ex bought new? Do they have any stored?


Things changed a few months ago, with FX deciding to bring back 5 of the stored PW birds. 2 have already flown to Asia for heavy mx. I think that's the hold up on the other 3, though sourcing 15 additional Pratts for service will be an interesting challenge.


AFAIK three PW powered MD11F's are part of the five to be activated FedEx MD11's
- N578FE, already activated
- N521FE, at Singapore for HMV
- N522FE, still at VCV

The other two are TBD ex LH- birds, both are GE powered.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:50 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
Wait, I meant western global. My bad


No worries. We all knew what you meant.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:21 pm

So Omni's 767-300 N378AX flew into ILN today. Since these are largely-owned by CAM now, could be for maintenance. Or for a troop movement, but that seems unlikely. Or it's being put in line for conversion.

All 3 possibilities are interesting. Omni typically has not used AMES to maintain its fleet. Since the time that ATSG bought Omni, they have basically left it alone to do its own thing, because it was a well-functioning operation on its own. Obviously, you get some synergies as an owner when your one subsidiary uses another subsidiary to maintain its fleet, but AMES in ILN is overwhelmed with business right now, including a big new agreement to maintain UA aircraft at ILN and TPA. Add the difficulty of getting A&Ps during Covid, and the need to pump up the volume at TPA to do PEMCO touch-work on A321 Precision Conversions, and, except for a brief period, AMES has been bursting the last few years, even sending some ABX aircraft outside the ATSG family for maintenance. So ATSG has not pushed it heretofore. Maybe it was just a case that AMES had a slot available at ILN when Omni's usual vendors didn't.

Omni has a growing book of business again, so unloading a 763, which is a sweet-spot aircraft, seems unlikely. They did pull the one ex-AA aircraft, which was an oddball in the fleet, after Covid killed a lot of Omni's now-recovering business. But to pull one that Omni had previously operated pre-acquisition would be a big deal.

So that's why this will be fun to watch.

PS You can't track the aircraft on FA or FR24.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:47 pm

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AFAIK three PW powered MD11F's are part of the five to be activated FedEx MD11's
- N578FE, already activated
- N521FE, at Singapore for HMV
- N522FE, still at VCV

The other two are TBD ex LH- birds, both are GE powered.


Combined with likely 12-20 MD-10s sticking around, that's a significant tri-jet fleet into the next 7-10 years at least.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:58 pm

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747classic wrote:
AFAIK three PW powered MD11F's are part of the five to be activated FedEx MD11's
- N578FE, already activated
- N521FE, at Singapore for HMV
- N522FE, still at VCV

The other two are TBD ex LH- birds, both are GE powered.


Combined with likely 12-20 MD-10s sticking around, that's a significant tri-jet fleet into the next 7-10 years at least.


Let’s see how it turns out.all the stored ex-LH aircraft are listed as being used for parts. They may end up being the easiest to piece back together into whole airframes though. I checked out recent pics of N524FE and its pretty much just a hulk.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:28 am

D-ALCC got a little thank you MD-11 Farewell ❤️Decal. Photo: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/120 ... las-md-11f
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:35 am

Als better picture of D-ALFJ. Picture: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/120 ... ng-777-f1h
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:02 am

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Interesting that there are photos of 452SN (the newest Western Global 747) at TPE in the WGN livery as early as 8/11. It's now seven weeks after that, and the aircraft is still in TPE. I always assumed that they painted these things as kind of a last step, but here we are 3 months and 20 days after the thing arrived in TPE, and at least 7 weeks after it was painted, and it's still there. It does seem to be moving around the last couple of days, so maybe it's about ready to roll.

Should have sent it to CGK!


Agree, and I've also seen her transponder off and on the past week or so. Not long to go surely. It's a race to see who gets into service first, with the Germans working on N570B (supposedly going to Aerotranscargo), and N27063 now at GMF but by far the most recent resurrection.

Last night my scrolling found all five National 744s in the air as well as the hard working 752. Their freighters are doing some really interesting stuff, pivoting seamlessly between civilian and military runs. They are operating to HAN & SGN a lot at the moment, and even a trip to Brunei this weekend. I believe N936CA the ex-Supertanker machine is due to enter service this coming week.

Another interesting one is Jet One x / Longtail's paxargo VQ-BZV, which seems to have picked up a TPAC contract operating between RFD & BKK via the usual ANC tech stops. Good to see her busy.

Geo Sky 4L-GEO popped up this morning so perhaps she isn't far away from finishing a check and re-paint.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:40 am

I saw at Haeco in the hangars in Hong Kong the other day what looked like a blue tail in there. it was only a sliver of a view through the gap but I was pretty sure whatever it was, was the Korean Air blue...possibly 747 sized and without the Korean logo on the tail. No indication on FR24 of any of their fleet being here for that, and all their current 747s seem accounted for.
Anyone with any ideas? Surely N570B wouldnt have made it to HK without record (Haeco is too expensive for Aerotrans too). Maybe it was just one of their 777s...I'm not sure. Maybe someone knows? Thanks!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:51 am

Some updates for the week October 4, 2021
Boeing 737 -8AS(F) 29930 757 HS-KME Teleport by AirAsia delivery 01oct21 TNA-BKK, N-reg canx 01oct21, to be ops by K-Mile Air ex N993JP
Boeing 737 -8B5 29984 848 N850BC UMB Bank ferried 28-30sep21 VCV-ANC-YKS-XMN, for freighter conversion ex HL7565
Boeing 737 -883(F) 30468 668 N707HP DHL Aviation Americas delivery 28-29sep21 TSN-ICN-ANC-GSO ex LN-RPR
Boeing 737 -86J(F) 30499 567 N471BS iAero Airways air-test at TLV 01oct21 prior delivery ex 2-JMMF
Boeing 737 -8Q8(F) 30671 1307 N858AM BlackRock Investment Mgmnt ferried 30sep21 MIA-DHN after conversion, for paint prior delivery to? ex CGLBW
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

Notice this update which is kind of surprising. Is it heading for scrapping? That is one long way to get from one desert to another???
Boeing 747 -428 32869 1327 TF-AAJ Air Atlanta Icelandic posn / in svc 29sep-02oct21 JED-DWC-ICN-HAN-HKG-ICN-ANC after storage ex F-GITI
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:05 am

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Notice this update which is kind of surprising. Is it heading for scrapping? That is one long way to get from one desert to another???
Boeing 747 -428 32869 1327 TF-AAJ Air Atlanta Icelandic posn / in svc 29sep-02oct21 JED-DWC-ICN-HAN-HKG-ICN-ANC after storage ex F-GITI


It must be operating as a preighter now. Routing would seem to indicate that it carried a load from DWC to ICN and then from HAN to RFD. It's now scheduled to fly back to ANC from RFD in a little while.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am

Some other updates:
Boeing 757 -2G5 29379 919 G-OOBN TUI Airways ferried 01oct21 LGW-DGX prior freighter conversion, for Swiftair group ex HB-IHR
Boeing 767 -323(F) 29606 752 G-DHLC DHL Air delivery 01oct21 TLV-BHX, N-reg ex N399AN
Boeing 767 -38A 29618 792 N222DP SF Airlines -regd 01oct21 at SAW prior freighter conversion ex VP-BDI
Boeing 767 -300F 63128 1253 N198FE FedEx delivery 30sep21 PAE-IND
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

Seems like B757/767 freighter activity are getting a lot movement.
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