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Re: Air Cargo (no-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:18 pm

HPRamper wrote:
In that region, FX is totally reliant on belly freight though. They don't have a single flight to the continent of Africa.
Is DWC going to operate in conjunction with DXB? I thought it was a replacement. In any case, there's very little chance FX will use both. All air ops will be shifted to DWC.


There is now a weekly JNB-DXB on purple tail.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:14 pm

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I thought 620dl, 557cm, and 531ua all went to HGR at once, and then 605DL recently followed them there on 9/2/21. They were definitely all sold.

Funny that Astral bought them; given that CAM leases a 762 to Astral, weird that CAM didn't make a lease or purchase deal with Astral (or maybe it did; maybe it sold them to Astral, but it doesn't seem like it; seems like there was a middleman).

N557CM is on its way to VCV. Maybe for paint.


N605DL, N620DL, and N557CM were sold on the same day in July. N531UA was sold in October. I think the first three were the ones sold to Aquila Air Capital (which will lease to Astral).
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:29 pm

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N605DL, N620DL, and N557CM were sold on the same day in July. N531UA was sold in October. I think the first three were the ones sold to Aquila Air Capital (which will lease to Astral).


Thank you, our Oracle! I appreciate the details and will note same in my little list.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:36 am

An update on some Preighters:

AirHub Airlines

9H-ZMK (A340-300, ex TN – 2005 build). Started in SQQ then operated a few sectors between VNO, RIX and KUN. Presumably training flights or certification work.

AirX Charter

9H-BIG (A340-300, ex UL – 2000 build). Operating mostly HKG-ANC-RFD-ANC-HKG.

Air Atlanta Icelandic
Three Airbus A340s joined the fleet from AirX Charter:

TF-LFC, (A340-600, 2003 build, originally delivered to IB as EC-IOB). AirX Charter who had operated her since the start of the year. TF-LFC has been operating a few sectors between XCR and HKG.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51659060438/
TF-MFC, (A340-600, 2003 build, originally delivered to IB as EC-INO. Does not appear to have entered service yet.
TF-NFC, (A340-300, 1998 build, originally delivered to AF as F-GLZN). Also has not entered service yet.

AlisCargo Airlines

Both EI-GWA and EI-GWB (B777-200, ex-SQ) are doing MXP-HKG-MXP rotations, just like at the last update.

GetJet Airlines

LY-LEO (A330-300, ex CI – 2006 build). Seems to be based in DEL and is operating a variety of flights such as DEL-DAC-DEL, DEL-HAN-DEL, DEL-MUC-DEL and DEL-MST-CCU-HKG-CCU-DEL.


HiFly

CS-TQP (A330-300 - 1998 build). DEL-BCN-DEL, DEL-HAN-DEL, DEL-MST-DEL

HiFly Malta

9H-HFA (A330-300, ex-SA - 2017 build). Still reliably plying the HKG-ANC-JFK-ANC-HKG route, just like last update.
9H-TAJ (A330-300, ex-SQ - 2013 build). HKG-ANC-LAX-ANC-HKG. Visited FAI also at one point a few days ago.
9H-FOX (A340-300, ex-EK – 1997 build). As pointed out by another user a few days ago, it’s been doing LIS-HKG-AKL-SCL-LIS rotations. Very cool route and it was the first A340 to operate into Auckland since TN's last flight at the end of 2019.
9H-JAI (A340-300, ex-EK – 1998 build). At the start of last month it was mainly doing HAN-KIX-LAX-KIX-HAN rotations. More recently some BLR-ESB-JFK-LIS-BLR rotations but as of 2021-10-17it’s now in storage (or maintenance?) in AMM.
9H-SOL (A340-300, ex-IB – 2003 build). Something a bit different: it’s been flying to Antarctica! Flying two missions from CPT. Not sure exactly which Antarctic airfield it used, but Troll Airfield (Norway) and Novolazarevskaya Station (Russia) both look consistent with the FlightRadar24 data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_Airfield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novolazar ... ovo_Runway

According to the client, an explicit search was made this time for an Airbus A340, as it can transport the required volume of equipment, food and fuel in just two flights. For example, the Boeing 757 would have had to make more rounds, which would ultimately have resulted in higher costs.


https://aviation.direct/hi-fly-malta-fu ... a340-durch
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#29be9fc2

9H-SUN (A340-300, ex-UL – 2000 buld). Same as last month: lots of ICN-ANC-LCK-ICN-HAN-ICN rotations.

MalethAero

9H-BFS (A330-200, ex-JJ – 2002 build). Alternating between HAN-ICN-LAX-ICN-HAN and HAN-ICN-YEG-ICN-HAN rotations. For the first half of October it was running mainly LGG-JFK-LGG-BLR-DEL-LGG.
9H-JFS (A330-200, ex-JJ – 2002 build). As pointed out by someone else earlier, RFD-FAI-ICN-HAN-ICN-FAI-RFD.
9H-LFS (A330-200, ex-KC330 prototype/demonstrator – 2007 build). In early October it was operating exclusively HKG-KBP-JFK-KPB-HKG. More recently HAN-FAI-RFD/DFW/YMX then returning.9H-MFS (A330-200, ex-JJ – 2005 build). Largely the same as 9H-LFS.

9H-NHS (A340-600, ex-VS – 2006 build). Most of October was spent running BOH-JFK-BOH. There was a single BOH-SZX-LAX-BOH rotation as well as lots of trips up to CWL, which were presumably training flights. Nice to see such a beautiful aircraft still earning it’s keep. I stood right next to it at LDE a few years ago, not really expecting it to fly again.
9H-PGS (A340-600, ex-EY – 2009 build). Exclusively BOH-FOC-BOH flights which I believe are PPE missions.
9H-PPE (A340-600, ex-VS – 2006 build). It did a few BOH-FOC-BOH rotations in October, but not nearly as many as 9H-NHS. Also did a few flights to CWL.

European Cargo

G-ECLB (A340-600, ex-VS – 2006 build). Just a single flight around BOH – presumably a test flight.
G-ECLC (A340-600, ex-VS – 2006 build). BOH-FOC-BOH.

San Marino Executive Aviation

T7-ULS (A330-300, ex-DK – 2000 build). Still seems to be operating for ULS Cargo, based in ISL/IST. Lots of IST-DAC-HAN-DAC-IST rotations, sometimes with IST-ZAG-IST tagged on at the end.

SmartLynx Malta

9H-SMA (A330-300, ex-CZ – 2008 build). HKG-ANC-RFD-ANC-HKG.
9H-SMC (A330-300, ex-CZ – 2008 build). RIX-CMB-KIX-ANC-JFK-RIX circumnavigations.
9H-SMD (A330-300, ex-SQ – 2013 build). HKG-ANC-ORD-ANC-HKG.
9H-SME (A330-300, ex-CZ – 2008 build). RIX-ALA-HKG-RIX-ZAZ-RIX. Sometimes the stop in ALA seems to get skipped.

Wamos Air

EC-MAJ (A330-200, ex-UX - 2009 build). For much of October it was doing ZAZ-YYZ-ZAZ but then switched to ZAZ-JFK-ZAZ. Did a couple of runs to SZX and MEX also. Like I said last month, presumably this is for Inditex.
EC-MTT (A330-200, ex-AB - 2002 build). TLL-SGN-ALA-TLL-JFK-TLL. Also doing TLL-RFD-TLL intermittently.
EC-MTU (A330-200, ex-AB - 2002 build). TLL-SZX-TLL-JFK-TLL.
EC-NCK (A330-200, ex-CZ - 2007 build). Converted to a Preighter config in September. Since then it has started TLL-HAN-TLL-RFD-TLL rotations.
EC-NOF (A330-300, ex-D7 – 2006 build). Transferred to Wamos at the beginning of October from Thai AirAsia X. Has since mainly been flying ZAZ-YYZ-ZAZ
EC-NOG (A330-300, ex-D7 – 2006 build). Transferred to Wamos two days ago and had it’s delivery flight WOE-MAD.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:49 am

zkojq: WOW!!!! Really-great summary. I hadn't realized how many of these preighter operators were coming into the US. Makes it even sadder to see WGN MD11s sitting on the ground in various locations, or taking 8-12-24 hours at intermediate stops or waiting at one end or the other for a load. Plainly, anybody that's gonna pay to lease a preighter with its attendant hassles would rather pop some cans on an MD11, salute, and have it be gone.

Some of that has to be a crew availability issue. If I'm fully-staffed, I stage crews at ICN, and just pop them right in, fuel up, and head out. I don't have them hang around with the plane. Or I do what SkyLease does, and maximize the value of the metal by just running very-heavy crews and paying them for the time. I can't imagine that anybody at SkyLease is waiting for a paycheck any more. Cha-CHING!!!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:14 am

Bad new for Formula1:

Breaking: Fun and games in #F1 land. Two of the F1 freight planes are stuck in Miami so it’s going to be a very late start to get building cars and get them through scrutineering in time for Friday. Herculean effort by lots of people but schedule might have to change.


https://twitter.com/jenniegow/status/14 ... 3162998796

I believe these are two Carglux 747s: LX-LCL (which is currently operating CLX6612 to VCP) and LX-VCC (which is currently operating ICV5532 to VCP). LX-VCC left MEX on the 9th for MIA, but spent just over 24 hours on the ground there. LX-LCL got nearly all the way to MEX (from NYC) but appears to have diverted to IAH for whatever reason. Not sure why that would affect the other aircraft though.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#29cc9b87
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LXL ... /KJFK/MMMX

The other Cargolux aircraft operating for Formula1 (LX-VCH operating as CV8592) got to Sao Paulo on time. Other ones which appear to be F1 charters:
- N919CA (operating as NCR806 via SJU)
- N415MC (operating as GTI8613 via LIM)
- N418MC (operating as GTI8615 via LIM)

Formula1 is currently operating a triple-header: three races in three consecutive weekends, which is quite tough logistically. The fact that the races in question are in cities on three different continents (Maxico City, Sao Paulo and Doha) means that there's even less room for operational hiccups.

wjcandee wrote:
zkojq: WOW!!!! Really-great summary.


Thankyou. :mrgreen:

wjcandee wrote:
I hadn't realized how many of these preighter operators were coming into the US.


There sure is quite a few of them! Seems to be a fair few more coming online soon. Smartlynx seems to have two more A330s due, Airhub three more A340-300s.
And of course my list doesn't include more 'regular' airlines who have subfleets of aircraft operating as Preighters. CX, SQ, NZ for example.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:50 am

Or American and air Canada
 
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Re: Air Cargo (no-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:27 am

BHRN wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
In that region, FX is totally reliant on belly freight though. They don't have a single flight to the continent of Africa.
Is DWC going to operate in conjunction with DXB? I thought it was a replacement. In any case, there's very little chance FX will use both. All air ops will be shifted to DWC.


There is now a weekly JNB-DXB on purple tail.

That's fantastic. Never thought I'd see the day, but ever since acquiring Supaswift they've needed some kind of connectivity.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:27 pm

The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:45 pm

MO11 wrote:
The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....


What additional kinds of frequencies are we looking at?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:56 pm

Spacepope wrote:
MO11 wrote:
The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....


What additional kinds of frequencies are we looking at?


Atlas puts in two 747s Monday night.

Then the week after Thanksgiving: ATI adds 2 767s, ABX 2 767s, NCR 2 747s, WGN 2 MD11s, MGE 1 757, TSU 2 727s.

Then on December 13: CKS 5 747s, CSB 1 767, KYE 2 747s, WGN 1 747, ABX 1 more 767, GTI 1 more 747, KII 2 727s.

Then on December 19: CKS 1 more 747, WGN 1 more 747.

There seems to be a third NCR 747 in the system, but I haven't found where. There will be two GTI 747s remaining on duty during the week following Christmas.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:09 pm

MO11 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
MO11 wrote:
The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....


What additional kinds of frequencies are we looking at?


Atlas puts in two 747s Monday night.

Then the week after Thanksgiving: ATI adds 2 767s, ABX 2 767s, NCR 2 747s, WGN 2 MD11s, MGE 1 757, TSU 2 727s.

Then on December 13: CKS 5 747s, CSB 1 767, KYE 2 747s, WGN 1 747, ABX 1 more 767, GTI 1 more 747, KII 2 727s.

Then on December 19: CKS 1 more 747, WGN 1 more 747.

There seems to be a third NCR 747 in the system, but I haven't found where. There will be two GTI 747s remaining on duty during the week following Christmas.

It'll be interesting to see if the ground side can ramp up to match the air side, or if we'll see parking lots full of trailers and delivery dates missed.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:14 pm

MO11 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
MO11 wrote:
The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....


What additional kinds of frequencies are we looking at?


Atlas puts in two 747s Monday night.

Then the week after Thanksgiving: ATI adds 2 767s, ABX 2 767s, NCR 2 747s, WGN 2 MD11s, MGE 1 757, TSU 2 727s.

Then on December 13: CKS 5 747s, CSB 1 767, KYE 2 747s, WGN 1 747, ABX 1 more 767, GTI 1 more 747, KII 2 727s.

Then on December 19: CKS 1 more 747, WGN 1 more 747.

There seems to be a third NCR 747 in the system, but I haven't found where. There will be two GTI 747s remaining on duty during the week following Christmas.


Both of SkyLease's 747s on UPS for peak is definitely interesting
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:34 pm

Some UPS fleet info :

Brand new UPS 747-8F N631UP, original scheduled for delivery at the start of 2022, presently at Portland for paint, could also be delivered in approx two weeks time.

One or both of the last to be delivered UPS 767-300F's could become active just before the peak.

L/N 1260 C/N 66811 B767-300F N376UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR304)
L/N 1262 C/N 66812 B767-300F N377UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR305)

On the down side : UPS 747-44AF N572UP, damaged due tailtipping, is still at Seoul (ICN) for structural repairs. (Boeing AOG team ?)
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:39 pm

747classic wrote:
IMHO WGN has acquired more MD11's than it can digest at the moment.
First they have to be allowed to grow beyond the current fleet limit of 19 aircraft, see : https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/f ... e-removed/
Seen the dispatch rate and aircraft availability of the current WGN fleet, I would have second thoughts, but i'm not an inspector, employed at the US Department of Transportation (DoT)

Perhaps a quick sale of one or more stored WGN MD11's to UPS or FedEx could reduce the strain on WGN's maintenance department.


The fleet limitation was removed by DOT on Tuesday.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:39 pm

Is that a good thing for WGN…?
At present they have what..? 60% of their fleet active…?? So if they really want to have 19 active aircraft , they can grow to 30 frames , just to keep the 60% /. 19 frames in the air.?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:58 pm

Malta-based Challenge Group signed an agreement with IAI for conversion of 4 B767-300s and 4 B777-300

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD7UdSaXoAc ... name=large
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:39 pm

747classic wrote:
Some UPS fleet info :

Brand new UPS 747-8F N631UP, original scheduled for delivery at the start of 2022, presently at Portland for paint, could also be delivered in approx two weeks time.

One or both of the last to be delivered UPS 767-300F's could become active just before the peak.

L/N 1260 C/N 66811 B767-300F N376UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR304)
L/N 1262 C/N 66812 B767-300F N377UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR305)

On the down side : UPS 747-44AF N572UP, damaged due tailtipping, is still at Seoul (ICN) for structural repairs. (Boeing AOG team ?)


Yes it is still in ICN, I saw it as I was taxiing out.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:35 am

MO11 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
MO11 wrote:
The first UPS "peak" flights start next week.....


What additional kinds of frequencies are we looking at?


Atlas puts in two 747s Monday night.

Then the week after Thanksgiving: ATI adds 2 767s, ABX 2 767s, NCR 2 747s, WGN 2 MD11s, MGE 1 757, TSU 2 727s.

Then on December 13: CKS 5 747s, CSB 1 767, KYE 2 747s, WGN 1 747, ABX 1 more 767, GTI 1 more 747, KII 2 727s.

Then on December 19: CKS 1 more 747, WGN 1 more 747.

There seems to be a third NCR 747 in the system, but I haven't found where. There will be two GTI 747s remaining on duty during the week following Christmas.


This is quite extraordinary, particularly for the smaller operators. Brown are sucking up an incredible amount of third party lift. I wonder where this puts purple for the same period.

WGN need to get 356KD flying again, and fast. Been at SHV for going on six weeks. 452SN hopefully not far from emerging from conformity. No wonder they have been inducting new crews. They will have to be operating 4/4 747s for peak, and this in itself will be interesting to watch. On the MDs, only 1 of the ex-LH machines likely to be available for peak (maybe 2 if 784SN is pressed into service), so they will have to get a wriggle on with those currently not flying. 411SN which broke at ANC on 08/27 has now been at SHV going on a month.

KYE - Both machines for Brown. Wonder how they will fly all that fish out of Halifax.

NCR: Fleet looks in good nick with exception of 756CA, any updates on her repairs? NCR had three machines on Camber duty yesterday at one stage, impressive.

KII/TSU - Be fun to watch the reliability of their 727s.

This needs a scorecard of some sort.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:47 am

MO11 wrote:

Atlas puts in two 747s Monday night.

Then the week after Thanksgiving: ATI adds 2 767s, ABX 2 767s, NCR 2 747s, WGN 2 MD11s, MGE 1 757, TSU 2 727s.

Then on December 13: CKS 5 747s, CSB 1 767, KYE 2 747s, WGN 1 747, ABX 1 more 767, GTI 1 more 747, KII 2 727s.

Then on December 19: CKS 1 more 747, WGN 1 more 747.

There seems to be a third NCR 747 in the system, but I haven't found where. There will be two GTI 747s remaining on duty during the week following Christmas.


You know who's missing: AJT. I have to wonder whether they might try to push a ship or two into Peak for one of the consolidators, and backfill by having Skybus run BOTH DC8s on international missions. That would be FUN. I just don't know what kind of crews Skybus has or could make available.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:26 pm

Another 747 freighter emerges from storage :
Former Saudia 747-87UF HZ-AI3, re-registred M-ABOV, owner CIB leasing, earmarked to be leased to AirBridgeCargo, has been ferried JED-SJH at November 11th 2021 , after storage at JED from Jan 6 2020.

See : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/M-ABOV
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:32 pm

wjcandee wrote:

You know who's missing: AJT. I have to wonder whether they might try to push a ship or two into Peak for one of the consolidators, and backfill by having Skybus run BOTH DC8s on international missions. That would be FUN. I just don't know what kind of crews Skybus has or could make available.


Had Cargolux last year. And Northern Air Cargo in previous years. CSB will have to remove an airplane from DHL to cover this.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:34 pm

Lessor World Star Aviation orders 10 738BDSF conversions and 10 options. Conversions to be done by a Bedek subsidiary in China. https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/worl ... 7-800bdsfs

It's somewhat amazing trolling Skyliner nowadays, it's almost as if the 738 freighter conversions are rolling out at a rate faster than 737MAX deliveries.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:07 pm

And more freighter conversion orders. Aircastle is having 4 AEI 738SF conversions done beginning next year up in Canada at KF Aerospace. https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/airc ... 737-800sfs
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:25 pm

On Free Brittany Day (we'll see how smart that turns out to be), WGN's MD11 N545JN has finally been freed from SHV after a little more than two months there.

We'll see how well that turns out, as well. Currently at LAX.

Meanwhile, on the MD11s, N411SN is still being worked on at SHV, for a little over 3 weeks.
543JN has been sitting in MEM for about a month and a half.
512JN has been sitting in Chicago for 6 days.
415JN has been sitting at ICN for 3 days.

On the 747s, 356KD has been in SHV for a bit over 5 weeks.
452SN is still in conformity (or whatever) at SHV, for 3.5 weeks.

Any time you see a Preighter moving from somewhere to the US, that's traffic that could have flown on a WGN ship. Lots of missed opportunities, but I guess nobody's requiring them to try to maximize the value of their assets or operation.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:34 pm

National's 744s:
919CA in HHN for 2 days.
952CA in the air.
702CA in the air on a Camber flight.
729CA flying military.
756CA broken in Jordan since 10/22.
952CA flying.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:30 pm

With companies searching high and low for available 747F. I ask why hasn’t anyone purchased the ex DL 747’s they were essentially 10-14 years old and were parked when heavy maintenance came up. N671US-n674US,675NW,N676NW. Delivered between 99-03 have around 7000k cycles and 53k-64k hours. They were well maintained.If they were put through freighter conversion they would be viable aircraft for decades.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:01 am

wjcandee wrote:
National's 744s:
919CA in HHN for 2 days.
952CA in the air.
702CA in the air on a Camber flight.
729CA flying military.
756CA broken in Jordan since 10/22.
952CA flying.


Don't they have seven 744s now?
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:16 am

CX Flyboy wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
National's 744s:
919CA in HHN for 2 days.
952CA in the air.
702CA in the air on a Camber flight.
729CA flying military.
756CA broken in Jordan since 10/22.
952CA flying.


Don't they have seven 744s now?


Oh. Sorry. I wasn't aware of that. Do you know the tail number?

Oh, wait. They still have only 6 to my knowledge, but I typoed by typing one number twice. The last item should be N936CA, not 952CA.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:00 am

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With companies searching high and low for available 747F. I ask why hasn’t anyone purchased the ex DL 747’s they were essentially 10-14 years old and were parked when heavy maintenance came up. N671US-n674US,675NW,N676NW. Delivered between 99-03 have around 7000k cycles and 53k-64k hours. They were well maintained.If they were put through freighter conversion they would be viable aircraft for decades.


This is just an EWAG, but I'm thinking that most lessors/operators are thinking that the 744 demand isn't going to last for but a couple of years, and that the 777F is going to start to pick up a lot of business even if demand stays high. So with trips running 1-2 million dollars each, a smallish investment in a D-check of a converted F or piecing one back together should pay off, but a higher-capital-investment move like a full 744 conversion might not pay back. Who knows whether that's correct, but I think that that's the thinking. Also, the lead time to fabricate the conversion kit and have it installed might be a year or more. I think they're afraid of owning the asset when the music stops.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:39 am

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Another 747 freighter emerges from storage :
Former Saudia 747-87UF HZ-AI3, re-registred M-ABOV, owner CIB leasing, earmarked to be leased to AirBridgeCargo, has been ferried JED-SJH at November 11th 2021 , after storage at JED from Jan 6 2020.

See : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/M-ABOV


We’re those the ones leased by BA.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:24 am

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On Free Brittany Day (we'll see how smart that turns out to be), WGN's MD11 N545JN has finally been freed from SHV after a little more than two months there.

We'll see how well that turns out, as well. Currently at LAX.

Meanwhile, on the MD11s, N411SN is still being worked on at SHV, for a little over 3 weeks.
543JN has been sitting in MEM for about a month and a half.
512JN has been sitting in Chicago for 6 days.
415JN has been sitting at ICN for 3 days.

On the 747s, 356KD has been in SHV for a bit over 5 weeks.
452SN is still in conformity (or whatever) at SHV, for 3.5 weeks.

Any time you see a Preighter moving from somewhere to the US, that's traffic that could have flown on a WGN ship. Lots of missed opportunities, but I guess nobody's requiring them to try to maximize the value of their assets or operation.



I almost have to wonder....... if they aren't meant to be profitable. Like it was a science experiment in shady airlift that escaped the lab into the real marketplace, and is now just sort of out there day to day, existing with airframes, until they're needed to do "something". Call me crazy, but there are wild stories from Columbia, Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc. Harder to hide in shadows in the digital age, now you just have to hide in plane sight. (pun)
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:41 am

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On Free Brittany Day (we'll see how smart that turns out to be), WGN's MD11 N545JN has finally been freed from SHV after a little more than two months there.

We'll see how well that turns out, as well. Currently at LAX.

Meanwhile, on the MD11s, N411SN is still being worked on at SHV, for a little over 3 weeks.
543JN has been sitting in MEM for about a month and a half.
512JN has been sitting in Chicago for 6 days.
415JN has been sitting at ICN for 3 days.

On the 747s, 356KD has been in SHV for a bit over 5 weeks.
452SN is still in conformity (or whatever) at SHV, for 3.5 weeks.

Any time you see a Preighter moving from somewhere to the US, that's traffic that could have flown on a WGN ship. Lots of missed opportunities, but I guess nobody's requiring them to try to maximize the value of their assets or operation.


Their executive and board should be. The point you make is an exceptional one. A 343 or 333 preighter vs a MD11 or 744F at todays rates should be then ultimate no brainer. WGN screams of bad governance unfortunately. That said their revenue has been soaring and they got the fleet expansion ticked by the regulator so perhaps they are happy. Just so many missed opportunities as you say and I personally want to see them do well.

Just a note on the pax 744 feedstock. I also think another issue is the lack of availability in the conversion shops as they have moved on to the 777 programme (IAI) and other fleet types.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:45 am

I’m also surprised that LGT haven’t pressed the KLM Combis into service. VQ-BWL/M. One was at TLV getting work but exited recently. The other has sat at SHJ for a while. Even in ‘heavy preighter’ guise they should be cleaning up.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:18 am

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747classic wrote:
Another 747 freighter emerges from storage :
Former Saudia 747-87UF HZ-AI3, re-registred M-ABOV, owner CIB leasing, earmarked to be leased to AirBridgeCargo, has been ferried JED-SJH at November 11th 2021 , after storage at JED from Jan 6 2020.

See : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/M-ABOV


We’re those the ones leased by BA.


No, atlas air then they gave both up and they went to Saudia

The 3 BA birds all got purchased by atlas and went to polar for dhl and 2 of them have since been transferred back to atlas
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:21 am

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DL757NYC wrote:
747classic wrote:
Another 747 freighter emerges from storage :
Former Saudia 747-87UF HZ-AI3, re-registred M-ABOV, owner CIB leasing, earmarked to be leased to AirBridgeCargo, has been ferried JED-SJH at November 11th 2021 , after storage at JED from Jan 6 2020.

See : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/M-ABOV


We’re those the ones leased by BA.


No, atlas air then they gave both up and they went to Saudia

The 3 BA birds all got purchased by atlas and went to polar for dhl and 2 of them have since been transferred back to atlas


Atlas Air exercised its contractual termination rights with respect to three early production 747-8 freighters after lengthy delays and performance considerations in September 2011.
See : https://cargofacts.com/allposts/news/at ... 8f-orders/
Below are the full details of the above mentioned thee (3) aircraft, two went to Saudia in 2013 and the last one finally to Qatar Cargo in December 2017.

L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3 , Delivery date March 23, 2013 , Delivery flight (SVA9018- OEJN) date : March 25, 2013.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU, registered N958BA at April 19 2013, F/F April 22 2013, new operator Saudia Arabian Cargo, full livery, HZ-AI4, Delivery date June 17 2013 and delivery flight (SVA9019-OEJN) June 28, 2013.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852, aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, Used for (FAA)test flights (FMS software update verification flights?) from September 19 till/incl. November 21, Ferried to Boeing Field (KBFI) at November 22, Returned to KPAE at December 20. Emerged from the 45-05 paint hangar with a special “ Seattle Seahawks “livery at January 29 2014. The Seattle Seahawks logos were removed in May 2014. Ferried to Victorville (KVCV) at July 01 2014 for “engine work”. Returned to Paine Field at September 10 2014. Ferried to Marana (KMZJ) at November 12 2014 for long term storage. Ferried out of storage towards KPAE at February 07 2017. Rumours about a new customer : UPS , but a later produced airframe - L/N 1542, ABC NTU- was selected by UPS. July/August 2017 , New operator Qatar Cargo (Boeing operator identification code : QTR). New registration : A7-BGA, ferried to Victorville (KVCV) at September 24 2017. Ferried to Portland (KPDX) at October 03 for paint. Returned to Paine Field at November 02 2017. Delivery and delivery flight (QTR3378-OTHH)date December 13th 2017. First revenue flight December 18th 2017 (QTR8420, OTHH-VHHH)

Note : the next produced Atlas Air 747-8F aircraft were leased to BA : L/N 1442 ,G-GSSD, L/N 1444, G-GSSE and L/N 1445, G-GSSF.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:24 am

Can add Air Atlanta Icelandic TF-AAK to the list of pfreighters which is (maybe?) the first 747 pfreighter we see. Even has cargo positions on the upper deck. Currently making its first run HKG-MST.

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:26 am

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dorn12 wrote:

Flew out of TPE yesterday, N781SN is fully painted in WGA colors.


But she hasn't been seen flying at any flight tracker, only Radarbox indicates some small taxi (or error) movements at the TPE appron 4 days ago.
See : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/N781SN


Type the rego in a major photo hosting site starting with ‘F’ where you can ‘Find your inspiration’ and there’s a couple of photos of her parked outside the EGAT hangars mid-maintenance, the work she’s had done looks to be very comprehensive and invasive, safe to say LH used up her remaining cycles and component life.

Very interesting photos indeed.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:16 am

Thx, N781SN seems to be almost ready, already painted in WGA livery, but the (overhauled) General Electric CF6-80C2D1F engines need to be re-installed.

N781SN, November 12th 2021.
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Original uploaded by li cheng TSAI at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/lichengts ... wko-fNtKTx
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:44 am

N783SN seems to be on the waiting list, before entering the EGAT hangar, a few days before the picture above.
Note in the back N781SN, to be rolled out soon.
Its a real "MD11 country" picture : watch the FedEx MD11 overhead the hangar.

Western Global N783SN, TPE, November 8th 2021
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Original uploaded by 湯小沅 at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/zx4142/51 ... Fj-2mHmpHV
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:38 pm

I'm a bit surprised that we've not seen more A300 or A310 freighters getting dragged out of storage. While we hear a lot about 747s, MD11s and preighters off all shapes and sizes being pressed back in to service, it seems that you should be able to make some good money even with a step down in frame size.
I think we've seen a couple of really old ones potentially back in action with a few smaller Kyrgyz outlets, but that's it.
Are there simply no ones around that's in good condition?

Don't FedEx have a bunch of both A300s and A310s in the dessert that could be brought back? Potentially freeing up some MD11s for longer haul missions.
MS should also have a pair that they recently retired after they got their A330 conversions.
What about the ex. Uni-Top machines? Are they still intact or have they been scrapped?

On another note, have all of the Sky Lease MD11s been scrapped?
With how hard they're running their 747s, it seems that they really could have done well with a couple of additional frames.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:36 pm

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On another note, have all of the Sky Lease MD11s been scrapped?
With how hard they're running their 747s, it seems that they really could have done well with a couple of additional frames.


My understanding is that, yes, they've been scrapped. Sky Lease, of course, had one 744 parked when they destroyed N908AR in Halifax. They brought out the one from mothballs to maintain the fleet at 2. At the time, there were plenty of 747s chasing cargo routes to the point that more and more were being parked. I think it's a sharp memory of those times -- just a couple of years ago -- that makes operators unwilling to go too terribly far in terms of capital expense. SkyLease, unlike some others, really does maximize the value of its capital assets, by employing more of its human ones.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:29 pm

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I'm a bit surprised that we've not seen more A300 or A310 freighters getting dragged out of storage. While we hear a lot about 747s, MD11s and preighters off all shapes and sizes being pressed back in to service, it seems that you should be able to make some good money even with a step down in frame size.
I think we've seen a couple of really old ones potentially back in action with a few smaller Kyrgyz outlets, but that's it.
Are there simply no ones around that's in good condition?

Don't FedEx have a bunch of both A300s and A310s in the dessert that could be brought back? Potentially freeing up some MD11s for longer haul missions.
MS should also have a pair that they recently retired after they got their A330 conversions.
What about the ex. Uni-Top machines? Are they still intact or have they been scrapped?

On another note, have all of the Sky Lease MD11s been scrapped?
With how hard they're running their 747s, it seems that they really could have done well with a couple of additional frames.

On planespotters.net, the only A300-600 freighters in storage are from FedEx, Egypt Air and Uni-Top. I think that it is quite telling that FedEx even retired one of its A300s in April, N717FD, so I don't expect any of those stored to return. Unfortunately I don't know the status of the Egypt Air freighters.
The Uni-Top freighters should become available, because Uni-Top was declared bankrupt and will be liquidated according to the headline at https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... liquidated from Aug 2021. Let's see what happens to them.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:17 pm

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DL757NYC wrote:
With companies searching high and low for available 747F. I ask why hasn’t anyone purchased the ex DL 747’s they were essentially 10-14 years old and were parked when heavy maintenance came up. N671US-n674US,675NW,N676NW. Delivered between 99-03 have around 7000k cycles and 53k-64k hours. They were well maintained.If they were put through freighter conversion they would be viable aircraft for decades.


This is just an EWAG, but I'm thinking that most lessors/operators are thinking that the 744 demand isn't going to last for but a couple of years, and that the 777F is going to start to pick up a lot of business even if demand stays high. So with trips running 1-2 million dollars each, a smallish investment in a D-check of a converted F or piecing one back together should pay off, but a higher-capital-investment move like a full 744 conversion might not pay back. Who knows whether that's correct, but I think that that's the thinking. Also, the lead time to fabricate the conversion kit and have it installed might be a year or more. I think they're afraid of owning the asset when the music stops.


The ex-DL 747-400s are indeed prime candidates for conversion. I just don't see it happening though.

IAI is the only game in town and was supposed to restart the 747 P2F line last year. There were rumblings and grumblings but nothing that led to a full P2F line running again. Ex VS and KLM 747s made the trip to TLV but were only turned into paxargo jets. IAI is 100% in for the 777-300ERSF and that is where their engineering and sales talent is going to be focused.

Another aspect of the ever expanding cargo fleet is that many of the operators have the ability to buy an already converted jet, or scrape it together. The wait time and cost of a full conversion may be too much for them.

One thing that does leave me shaking my head is that I have not heard any rumors from January 2020 till now, about the owner of the ex-DL jets offering them for conversion. Some people are more interested in staring at IG rather than being an active worker I guess!
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:43 pm

CX747 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
With companies searching high and low for available 747F. I ask why hasn’t anyone purchased the ex DL 747’s they were essentially 10-14 years old and were parked when heavy maintenance came up. N671US-n674US,675NW,N676NW. Delivered between 99-03 have around 7000k cycles and 53k-64k hours. They were well maintained.If they were put through freighter conversion they would be viable aircraft for decades.


This is just an EWAG, but I'm thinking that most lessors/operators are thinking that the 744 demand isn't going to last for but a couple of years, and that the 777F is going to start to pick up a lot of business even if demand stays high. So with trips running 1-2 million dollars each, a smallish investment in a D-check of a converted F or piecing one back together should pay off, but a higher-capital-investment move like a full 744 conversion might not pay back. Who knows whether that's correct, but I think that that's the thinking. Also, the lead time to fabricate the conversion kit and have it installed might be a year or more. I think they're afraid of owning the asset when the music stops.


The ex-DL 747-400s are indeed prime candidates for conversion. I just don't see it happening though.

IAI is the only game in town and was supposed to restart the 747 P2F line last year. There were rumblings and grumblings but nothing that led to a full P2F line running again. Ex VS and KLM 747s made the trip to TLV but were only turned into paxargo jets. IAI is 100% in for the 777-300ERSF and that is where their engineering and sales talent is going to be focused.

Another aspect of the ever expanding cargo fleet is that many of the operators have the ability to buy an already converted jet, or scrape it together. The wait time and cost of a full conversion may be too much for them.

One thing that does leave me shaking my head is that I have not heard any rumors from January 2020 till now, about the owner of the ex-DL jets offering them for conversion. Some people are more interested in staring at IG rather than being an active worker I guess!

Even if there still was an active B744 cargo conversion line, it would simply be too late for a number of DL B744s. There is a photo on airlines.net from Jun 2021 that shows 9 of them being parted out at MZJ:
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:04 pm

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wjcandee wrote:

This is just an EWAG, but I'm thinking that most lessors/operators are thinking that the 744 demand isn't going to last for but a couple of years, and that the 777F is going to start to pick up a lot of business even if demand stays high. So with trips running 1-2 million dollars each, a smallish investment in a D-check of a converted F or piecing one back together should pay off, but a higher-capital-investment move like a full 744 conversion might not pay back. Who knows whether that's correct, but I think that that's the thinking. Also, the lead time to fabricate the conversion kit and have it installed might be a year or more. I think they're afraid of owning the asset when the music stops.


The ex-DL 747-400s are indeed prime candidates for conversion. I just don't see it happening though.

IAI is the only game in town and was supposed to restart the 747 P2F line last year. There were rumblings and grumblings but nothing that led to a full P2F line running again. Ex VS and KLM 747s made the trip to TLV but were only turned into paxargo jets. IAI is 100% in for the 777-300ERSF and that is where their engineering and sales talent is going to be focused.

Another aspect of the ever expanding cargo fleet is that many of the operators have the ability to buy an already converted jet, or scrape it together. The wait time and cost of a full conversion may be too much for them.

One thing that does leave me shaking my head is that I have not heard any rumors from January 2020 till now, about the owner of the ex-DL jets offering them for conversion. Some people are more interested in staring at IG rather than being an active worker I guess!

Even if there still was an active B744 cargo conversion line, it would simply be too late for a number of DL B744s. There is a photo on airlines.net from Jun 2021 that shows 9 of them being parted out at MZJ:


Excellent find. -2 on my behalf for not doing further research on what state they were actually in. At least we know the parts are going to good use and will keep the active fleet going for quite some time. Amazing to think that jets in that age group are gone, meanwhile I passed some 1960s produced KC-135 tails a week or two back. They were just raring to go.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:46 pm

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I'm a bit surprised that we've not seen more A300 or A310 freighters getting dragged out of storage. While we hear a lot about 747s, MD11s and preighters off all shapes and sizes being pressed back in to service, it seems that you should be able to make some good money even with a step down in frame size.
I think we've seen a couple of really old ones potentially back in action with a few smaller Kyrgyz outlets, but that's it.
Are there simply no ones around that's in good condition?

Don't FedEx have a bunch of both A300s and A310s in the dessert that could be brought back? Potentially freeing up some MD11s for longer haul missions.
MS should also have a pair that they recently retired after they got their A330 conversions.
What about the ex. Uni-Top machines? Are they still intact or have they been scrapped?

On another note, have all of the Sky Lease MD11s been scrapped?
With how hard they're running their 747s, it seems that they really could have done well with a couple of additional frames.

On planespotters.net, the only A300-600 freighters in storage are from FedEx, Egypt Air and Uni-Top. I think that it is quite telling that FedEx even retired one of its A300s in April, N717FD, so I don't expect any of those stored to return. Unfortunately I don't know the status of the Egypt Air freighters.
The Uni-Top freighters should become available, because Uni-Top was declared bankrupt and will be liquidated according to the headline at https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... liquidated from Aug 2021. Let's see what happens to them.


FedEx has pretty much decided that the current A300F fleet is the size that works best for them and they're not adding or parking any more for the near future. The A310s could probably have been stretched in service a bit longer, but they also have the unfortunate commonality of basic engines with the larger A300, the 747, 767 and MD-11.

Which brings me to why the A300 fleets that were parked as well as the 747 passenger fleets aren't going to get reactivated: Other freighter fleets have scrambled around for those engines with green time, and they're the limiting reagent in this reaction. As long as freighter operators just lease time on engines and don't pony up for spendy overhauls, we'll see perfectly serviceable airframes parked because of no motors.



The parked Airbii for FX are getting picked pretty clean.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:27 pm

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CX747 wrote:

The ex-DL 747-400s are indeed prime candidates for conversion. I just don't see it happening though.

IAI is the only game in town and was supposed to restart the 747 P2F line last year. There were rumblings and grumblings but nothing that led to a full P2F line running again. Ex VS and KLM 747s made the trip to TLV but were only turned into paxargo jets. IAI is 100% in for the 777-300ERSF and that is where their engineering and sales talent is going to be focused.

Another aspect of the ever expanding cargo fleet is that many of the operators have the ability to buy an already converted jet, or scrape it together. The wait time and cost of a full conversion may be too much for them.

One thing that does leave me shaking my head is that I have not heard any rumors from January 2020 till now, about the owner of the ex-DL jets offering them for conversion. Some people are more interested in staring at IG rather than being an active worker I guess!

Even if there still was an active B744 cargo conversion line, it would simply be too late for a number of DL B744s. There is a photo on airlines.net from Jun 2021 that shows 9 of them being parted out at MZJ:


Excellent find. -2 on my behalf for not doing further research on what state they were actually in. At least we know the parts are going to good use and will keep the active fleet going for quite some time. Amazing to think that jets in that age group are gone, meanwhile I passed some 1960s produced KC-135 tails a week or two back. They were just raring to go.


Those that are being scrapped are the 10-12 that were delivered between 89-90. They flew until 2019. The 99-03 builds are still intact last time I saw photos.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:31 pm

Spacepope wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
tofen wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that we've not seen more A300 or A310 freighters getting dragged out of storage. While we hear a lot about 747s, MD11s and preighters off all shapes and sizes being pressed back in to service, it seems that you should be able to make some good money even with a step down in frame size.
I think we've seen a couple of really old ones potentially back in action with a few smaller Kyrgyz outlets, but that's it.
Are there simply no ones around that's in good condition?

Don't FedEx have a bunch of both A300s and A310s in the dessert that could be brought back? Potentially freeing up some MD11s for longer haul missions.
MS should also have a pair that they recently retired after they got their A330 conversions.
What about the ex. Uni-Top machines? Are they still intact or have they been scrapped?

On another note, have all of the Sky Lease MD11s been scrapped?
With how hard they're running their 747s, it seems that they really could have done well with a couple of additional frames.

On planespotters.net, the only A300-600 freighters in storage are from FedEx, Egypt Air and Uni-Top. I think that it is quite telling that FedEx even retired one of its A300s in April, N717FD, so I don't expect any of those stored to return. Unfortunately I don't know the status of the Egypt Air freighters.
The Uni-Top freighters should become available, because Uni-Top was declared bankrupt and will be liquidated according to the headline at https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... liquidated from Aug 2021. Let's see what happens to them.


FedEx has pretty much decided that the current A300F fleet is the size that works best for them and they're not adding or parking any more for the near future. The A310s could probably have been stretched in service a bit longer, but they also have the unfortunate commonality of basic engines with the larger A300, the 747, 767 and MD-11.

Which brings me to why the A300 fleets that were parked as well as the 747 passenger fleets aren't going to get reactivated: Other freighter fleets have scrambled around for those engines with green time, and they're the limiting reagent in this reaction. As long as freighter operators just lease time on engines and don't pony up for spendy overhauls, we'll see perfectly serviceable airframes parked because of no motors.



The parked Airbii for FX are getting picked pretty clean.


FX has quite a few MD-11’s parked. I didn’t realize it was that many.
 
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DL757NYC wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
On planespotters.net, the only A300-600 freighters in storage are from FedEx, Egypt Air and Uni-Top. I think that it is quite telling that FedEx even retired one of its A300s in April, N717FD, so I don't expect any of those stored to return. Unfortunately I don't know the status of the Egypt Air freighters.
The Uni-Top freighters should become available, because Uni-Top was declared bankrupt and will be liquidated according to the headline at https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... liquidated from Aug 2021. Let's see what happens to them.


FedEx has pretty much decided that the current A300F fleet is the size that works best for them and they're not adding or parking any more for the near future. The A310s could probably have been stretched in service a bit longer, but they also have the unfortunate commonality of basic engines with the larger A300, the 747, 767 and MD-11.

Which brings me to why the A300 fleets that were parked as well as the 747 passenger fleets aren't going to get reactivated: Other freighter fleets have scrambled around for those engines with green time, and they're the limiting reagent in this reaction. As long as freighter operators just lease time on engines and don't pony up for spendy overhauls, we'll see perfectly serviceable airframes parked because of no motors.



The parked Airbii for FX are getting picked pretty clean.


FX has quite a few MD-11’s parked. I didn’t realize it was that many.


I only count 5, and one of those I’m not sure is FX. Considering they’ve reactivated 3 from VCV storage, it’s not too bad.

Lots and lots of DC-10s there though.

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